Andrea Leadsom - parents should be free to bar their children from LGBT education

[Crimson Dynamo]

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The Leader of the House was on LBC as she was asked whether she agreed with the parents
who have removed their children from lessons in school teaching about gay and lesbian relationships.

She said she was pleased that her own children were taught about it, but it was her choice of
words when saying parents should be able to opt out of the classes that raised eyebrows.

Speaking to Nick Ferrari, she said: "I think that it's right that the government should have passed
legislation that requires that relationships and sex education is taught in schools.

"But at the same time, I also agree that it's right that parents should be able to choose the moment
at which their children become exposed to that information.

"And there are steps taken to enable parents to withdraw their children from classes up to a certain age."


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Gay MP LLyod Russell-Molye was not happy and had a go at her in the Commons over her words.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle criticised Andrea Leadsom after she said parents should decide when their
children were "exposed" to the lessons.

He also attacked "bigots that don't want LGBT people to be heard in schools".

Some Birmingham schools have stopped LGBT rights classes after protests.

Parkfield Community School, in the city, said it would not resume the lessons until a
resolution had been reached with parents.

In a statement on Wednesday, the school said it was planning to "evolve" its equalities
teaching "in collaboration with parents".


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Those who are adamant that homosexuality is morally wrong strongly feel that the Equality Act
should protect their religious beliefs.

However, for the LGBT community, "alarmed" is the word often being used to convey feeling both
here in Birmingham and around the country, and they believe their human rights are being abused
by schools who have stopped teaching children about same sex couples.

And now the row is spreading. In Greater Manchester, the BBC understands hundreds of parents
have sent letters to schools asking for their children to be removed from sex education lessons.

As the dispute escalates, so does the tension around this controversial topic.


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https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/leadsom-parents-choose-when-kids-exposed-lgbt/

Did she have a point?

[bots]

the purpose of school education is to gain basic knowledge and understanding of the world so that people can take their place in society. Children can specialise later in their schooling, thats fine, but they should all get the fundamental basics.

It's not for me to define fundamental basics, that's what school boards and authorities are for, but once they have decided, there should be no exclusions from that curriculum.

[chuff me dizzy]

And she's right !! It is the parents right to say what their children should be subjected to

[Smithy]

Those who are adamant that homosexuality is morally wrong strongly feel that the Equality Act should protect their religious beliefs.

I-

:skull:

[Elliot]

They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble

[chuff me dizzy]

They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble

Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

[Elliot]

This entire thing is disturbing and I’m appalled that this bull**** hasn’t been amply challenged

[Smithy]

Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex

[user104658]

They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubbleI agree with that, it's up to schools to decide their curriculum and if a parent doesn't like the content, they DO have a choice, as they can choose private education or home schooling.

[Rob!]

Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

Protect them from what? You do realise that gay people aren't radioactive?

Your views are SO out of fashion it's almost amusing.

[chuff me dizzy]

It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex

I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

[Smithy]

I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Why would you not want your children to learn about a normal
Healthy relationship?

[The Slim Reaper]

I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Education is to educate, not to protect the beliefs of parents.

[Rob!]

I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Dictatorship parenting is a choice and making sex some sort of horrific dirty secret is a bad one. Why would you hide from your children how humans are made?

[smudgie]

So she is basically saying that children don’t learn about it until they are of a suitable age anyhow.
Makes sense to me.
I certainly wouldn’t want my kids growing up in ignorance of the reality and normality of LGBT.

[chuff me dizzy]

Dictatorship parenting is a choice and making sex some sort of horrific dirty secret is a bad one. Why would you hide from your children how humans are made?

MY children, MY choice

[Rob!]

MY children, MY choice

So you keep pointlessly saying. They are human beings capable of their own choices and you know what? They're going to go out and find out about sex for themselves whether or not you've decided they're ready for it or not.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm a flat earther, so my children will not be attending physics lessons.

[Beso]

It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex

Do they love eachother differently from everyone else like?

[Cal.]

It should definitely be normalised like straight relationships are in media and education etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It should definitely be normalised like straight relationships are in media and education etc.

Agreed and taught that its a very small minority that is affected, numbers and perspective is very important in education.

[TomC]

Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

There’s a difference between sex education and relationship education silly.

[Scarlett.]

Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

Surely it's important for them to learn about sex before they become teenagers, as they need to be educated about protection, and the risks. Also, I remember being a kid, and I'm pretty sure I understood what sex was when I was in year 2. Kids are much smarter than you think, children can be know about sex and still have a happy, innocent childhood.

[Rob!]

Surely it's important for them to learn about sex before they become teenagers, as they need to be educated about protection, and the risks. Also, I remember being a kid, and I'm pretty sure I understood what sex was when I was in year 2. Kids are much smarter than you think, children can be know about sex and still have a happy, innocent childhood.

It's hilarious coming from someone with a baby smoking in a gif as their avatar and someone who is forever shouting about the "snowflake generation" and yet wants to wrap their kids in cotton wool with no interest in an alternative when it comes to something as normal and natural as sex. Hypocrisy much?

[Livia]

It's a big problem in an area with a high Muslim population. Moderate Muslims aren't as plentiful as they sometimes seem when it comes to dealing with homosexuality, women's right, that kind of thing.

[Elliot]

Amir Ahmed, a lead campaigner for the parents, told Sima Kotecha: "Morally, we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have."

Yikes

[Livia]

Amir Ahmed, a lead campaigner for the parents, told Sima Kotecha: "Morally, we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have."

Yikes

And yet they choose to live in a country where people have fought for the freedom to be who they are, for gay rights, for women's rights... and here they are fighting us on it.

[reece(:]

We been knew Leadsom is an underlying homophobe

[arista]

Yes LT
its a mega fight
it was on GMB HD itv
today a Black Lady said she has nothing against gays
but do not teach it to her 5 year old boy

[arista]

Amir Ahmed, a lead campaigner for the parents, told Sima Kotecha: "Morally, we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have."

Yikes


Yes they will stand by their Religious Rights

[arista]

"Gay MP LLyod Russell-Molye was not happy and had a go at her in the Commons over her words.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle criticised Andrea Leadsom after she said parents should decide when their
children were "exposed" to the lessons."

He is a Trouble Maker

[arista]

They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble



Yes its their Religious beliefs
you must know ,they can not change!

[Twosugars]

It's a big problem in an area with a high Muslim population. Moderate Muslims aren't as plentiful as they sometimes seem when it comes to dealing with homosexuality, women's right, that kind of thing.

a bit like parts of Jerusalem inhabited by orthodox Jews, isn't it

the problem is not going to go away considering that orthodox Jews, Muslims and Christians reject contraception so seem to breed like rabbits and are bound to increase in numbers.

[Jordan.]

What better way of creating the next generetation that believe homosexuality is still a taboo subject or something that is wrong because they were mollycoddled into thinking only straight relationships exist.

[Twosugars]

Yes its their Religious beliefs
you must know ,they can not change!

then they should learn to compartmentalize.
Nobody said the world around them has to revolve about their beliefs.
Participate in public life according to secular law and in their community according to their religious laws. Simples.

[Lostie!]

What better way of creating the next generetation that believe homosexuality is still a taboo subject or something that is wrong because they were mollycoddled into thinking only straight relationships exist.

Tbh. Shoddy parenting as far as I'm concerned.

[arista]

then they should learn to compartmentalize.
Nobody said the world around them has to revolve about their beliefs.
Participate in public life according to secular law and in their community according to their religious laws. Simples.



Yes but they have their own
community.
That's what New Labour Set up........................

[Twosugars]

Yes but they have their own
community.
That's what New Labour Set up........................

what are you on about?

there's one secular law of the land
equality is a part of it
no discrimination based on sexual orientation
it's the law and they need to obey it
school education is a part of it

[Cherie]

Posted this on another thread but its relevant in this one too

5 schools now in Birmingham have stopped the Outsiders curriculum, so in the UK where we welcome all, and you are free to be who you are it looks like we are going backwards


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[arista]

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[Beso]

a bit like parts of Jerusalem inhabited by orthodox Jews, isn't it

the problem is not going to go away considering that orthodox Jews, Muslims and Christians reject contraception so seem to breed like rabbits and are bound to increase in numbers.

Holy bloody christ...how racist is that.

[Twosugars]

Holy bloody christ...how racist is that.

is it? against which race exactly? :think:

bc I compare people of all religions who reject contraception and breed unchecked to rabbits?
get off it Parm

[Niamh.]

Posted this on another thread but its relevant in this one too

5 schools now in Birmingham have stopped the Outsiders curriculum, so in the UK where we welcome all, and you are free to be who you are it looks like we are going backwards


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/2...on-manchester/

That link doesn't seem to be working Cherie

[Beso]

is it? against which race exactly? :think:

Jews muslims and christians.

[Twosugars]

Jews muslims and christians.

since when they are a race? :facepalm:

[Cherie]

Try this one




https://inews.co.uk/news/education/f...ers-parkfield/

[Niamh.]

Try this one

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/four-schools-birmingham-stop-no-outsiders-parkfield/

:thumbs:

[Cherie]

Nice to know someone is opening links :douf:

[Niamh.]

Nice to know someone is opening links :douf:

:laugh:

[Matthew.]

I do not understand the other point of view at all. As far as I’m concerned, if you disagree with kids learning about LGBT relationships, you are bigoted, end of.

[chuff me dizzy]

I do not understand the other point of view at all. As far as I’m concerned, if you disagree with kids learning about LGBT relationships, you are bigoted, end of.

When you have children you can tell them what you wish, but dont try to shove your beliefs down other peoples childrens neck !!

[Tom4784]

Well, she's trash.

If you don't object to Disney fairy tales which tell love stories between princes and princesses then you can't object the same stories but with same sex relationships. That makes you a hypocrite and a bigot.

The idea that same sex relationships is somehow incapable of being seen as chaste or 'pure' or suitable for children is ridiculous and harmful. Gay people exist in this world, it's not harmful for children to know that and to know it's okay, it's only harmful to their braindamaged parents who insist on infecting the next generation with their hatred.

Religion is not an excuse for bigotry, people pick and choose what parts of their holy texts they'll follow all the time, choosing to adhere to the anti-gay parts is a choice that any believer that does so makes for themselves. **** them using religion as a shield for their hatred.

[Tom4784]

When you have children you can tell them what you wish, but dont try to shove your beliefs down other peoples childrens neck !!

What beliefs? Do you think gay people are some kind of mythological being whose existence can be debated?

[Tom4784]

Education is to educate, not to protect the beliefs of parents.

Exactly, it takes a bad parent to value pouring their own ignorance into the next generation over educating them to be better than those that came before.

[Matthew.]

When you have children you can tell them what you wish, but dont try to shove your beliefs down other peoples childrens neck !!

By that logic, I take it you’re also against religious education in schools too? And you would be against your kids being taught about religion?

[Beso]

since when they are a race? :facepalm:

It was the other thing then...whatever you label it it was ****ing nasty.

[chuff me dizzy]

What beliefs? Do you think gay people are some kind of mythological being whose existence can be debated?

My reply was to Matthew

[chuff me dizzy]

By that logic, I take it you’re also against religious education in schools too? And you would be against your kids being taught about religion?

WTF has religion and LGBT got in common ?

[Matthew.]

WTF has religion and LGBT got in common ?

“Don’t shove your beliefs down our throats” - Does this mean that you’re against kids being taught about religion too? Because by your own logic, that is also getting “beliefs shoved down your throat”

[chuff me dizzy]

“Don’t shove your beliefs down our throats” - Does this mean that you’re against kids being taught about religion too? Because by your own logic, that is also getting “beliefs shoved down your throat”

Totally different things :joker:

[Scarlett.]

Totally different things :joker:

I mean you're right in the respect that LGBT people don't have a long and bloody history of torture, terrorism, war and murder.

[Matthew.]

Totally different things :joker:

So why do you class LGBT education as “having beliefs shoved down other children’s necks”

[The Slim Reaper]

Exactly, it takes a bad parent to value pouring their own ignorance into the next generation over educating them to be better than those that came before.

I'm so worried about my children...that I voted for us to leave the certainty of the EU for a worse situation for them as they grow.

[Beso]

I mean you're right in the respect that LGBT people don't have a long and bloody history of torture, terrorism, war and murder.

:joker::joker:

[Elliot]

I mean you're right in the respect that LGBT people don't have a long and bloody history of torture, terrorism, war and murder.

Skjskjsks

[Rob!]

I mean you're right in the respect that LGBT people don't have a long and bloody history of torture, terrorism, war and murder.

Apart from the torture, terrorisism and murder gay people are subjected to BECAUSE of religion of course :hee:

[arista]

Try this one




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[arista]

Well, she's trash.

If you don't object to Disney fairy tales which tell love stories between princes and princesses then you can't object the same stories but with same sex relationships. That makes you a hypocrite and a bigot.

The idea that same sex relationships is somehow incapable of being seen as chaste or 'pure' or suitable for children is ridiculous and harmful. Gay people exist in this world, it's not harmful for children to know that and to know it's okay, it's only harmful to their braindamaged parents who insist on infecting the next generation with their hatred.

Religion is not an excuse for bigotry, people pick and choose what parts of their holy texts they'll follow all the time, choosing to adhere to the anti-gay parts is a choice that any believer that does so makes for themselves. **** them using religion as a shield for their hatred.


But that is so normal.

[arista]

what are you on about?

there's one secular law of the land
equality is a part of it
no discrimination based on sexual orientation
it's the law and they need to obey it
school education is a part of it


Sure
But Strict Muslims Parents
will never let their kids get Gay Education.

[reece(:]

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screaming!

[Twosugars]

It was the other thing then...whatever you label it it was ****ing nasty.

something a snowflake would say :think:

not just nasty, but even ****ing nasty, wow
I'd not label it as anything but a voice in a discussion.
Orthodox believers do have large families, a fact.
As do rabbits (if allowed)

[Alf]

Crushing defeat for the LGBT community, and if they fight back, then they're no different to Tommy Robinson.

[Twosugars]

No crushing defeat, simply an incident that needs addressing.

Leadsom is a dreadful woman. One of the people in the running for a PM. Tories are indeed the party of all the talents. In bigotry.

[Rob!]

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screaming!

:joker::joker::joker:

[Daniel-X]

I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Home school them then. Although, you can barely string a coherent sentence together so maybe not the best idea.

[UserSince2005]

I feel sorry for these peoples children, they will grow up ****ed up. especially if they are gay. ****ing scum.

[UserSince2005]

Any of the people who are against this should be evicted from the country if possible.

[Tom4784]

My reply was to Matthew

I don't care, I asked a question now answer it.

Why do you think your beliefs trump facts? Gay people exist and those gay people were once gay children and simply telling a child, through the medium of a fairy tale which was often the method used in these programs can help those children be understood, it can help create empathy and understanding.

They aren't teaching children about anal or rimming, they aren't teaching them how to suck a dick or eat out another girl, they are simply telling the children that gay people exist and they are no different to anyone else and shouldn't be treated as such. If you would honestly deprive your children of such an important lesson then I pity them for they've obviously been raised by a homophobe.

[TomC]

I don't care, I asked a question now answer it.

Why do you think your beliefs trump facts? Gay people exist and those gay people were once gay children and simply telling a child, through the medium of a fairy tale which was often the method used in these programs.

They aren't teaching children about anal or rimming, they aren't teaching them how to suck a dick or eat out another girl, they are simply telling the children that gay people exist and they are no different to anyone else and shouldn't be treated as such. If you would honestly deprive your children of such an important lesson then I pity them for they've obviously been raised by a homophobe.

Post of the year! Educated a bigot AND made me scream