View Full Version : Transgender woman demanding apology from rail service for being called "sir"
reece(:
23-03-2019, 07:02 PM
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arista
23-03-2019, 07:11 PM
"Sir"
I am a Lady.................
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Jordan.
23-03-2019, 07:36 PM
IT IS MA'AM
"Went to a fancy dress party and something clicked"
I don't blame him, it's fooking horrible being a man today. I'm thinking about changing sex myself, just for the perks.
"Went to a fancy dress party and something clicked"
I don't blame him, it's fooking horrible being a man today. I'm thinking about changing sex myself, just for the perks.
:rolleyes:
Oliver_W
23-03-2019, 07:51 PM
Whether or not you "can tell" is she biologically male, it's obvious for her hair, makeup, and clothing she identifies as a woman. Misgendering is a crappy thing to do, and while I don't believe it should ever be a legal matter, I hope the train sends her an apology letter, and it would be nice if they included a return journey of her choice.
It's been a while since I worked in retail but I do remember you "glaze over" and don't really notice what people look like, so in the second case I'd give the guard the benefit of the doubt that he was in autopilot and responded purely to the voice and ticket
Amy Jade
23-03-2019, 08:05 PM
I kinda understand the guard a bit. When I worked in Asda and I was serving one person after the next I could sometimes misgender by total accident
Amy Jade
23-03-2019, 08:19 PM
Just watched the whole thing and honestly...big deal over nothing.
I fully support anyone's choice of course but she still has a very deep voice and a quite masculine face - I can totally understand how she could be misgendered just from a glimpse. Seems to be about money.
Tony Montana
23-03-2019, 08:27 PM
Just watched the whole thing and honestly...big deal over nothing.
I fully support anyone's choice of course but she still has a very deep voice and a quite masculine face - I can totally understand how she could be misgendered just from a glimpse. Seems to be about money.
Exactly! She's got a deep ****ing voice for **** sake.
If blindfolded and you heard her voice, I guarantee the majority of people would think that's a man.
reece(:
23-03-2019, 08:45 PM
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Oliver_W
23-03-2019, 08:51 PM
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I thought this was on old video until they brought up the "gender fluid" nonsense in relation to Sam Smith, I'm sure India's discussed misgendering on GBB before...
I thought this was on old video until they brought up the "gender fluid" nonsense in relation to Sam Smith, I'm sure India's discussed misgendering on GBB before...That's how she earns her money.
user104658
23-03-2019, 09:01 PM
As always it comes down to intent; if it's a genuine mistake or misunderstanding that's one thing. If it's being done deliberately or in a pointed way then that's another matter.
Marsh.
23-03-2019, 10:54 PM
Even non-trans people get mis-gendered from time to time. It happens.
I had the misfortune of being mistaken for my mother's husband once (:umm2:) I didn't go on This Morning to cry discrimination. A mistake is a mistake.
RileyH
23-03-2019, 10:55 PM
I had the misfortune of being mistaken for my mother's husband once (:umm2:)
omg :laugh2:
Marsh.
23-03-2019, 10:58 PM
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Not the banana analogy. :skull:
Even non-trans people get mis-gendered from time to time. It happens.
I had the misfortune of being mistaken for my mother's husband once (:umm2:) I didn't go on This Morning to cry discrimination. A mistake is a mistake.I think you should get in touch with This Morning and see if they'll do your story.
I mean, you were falsely accused of incest in your story.
Marsh.
23-03-2019, 10:58 PM
omg :laugh2:
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9c4yzLMb41qhh6xjo3_r1_250.gif
Marsh.
23-03-2019, 11:00 PM
Not being funny but if I met her on a train I'd ask for her autograph. Spitting image of Mrs Brown.
Not being funny but if I met her on a train I'd ask for her autograph. Spitting image of Mrs Brown.
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Smithy
23-03-2019, 11:52 PM
Even non-trans people get mis-gendered from time to time. It happens.
I had the misfortune of being mistaken for my mother's husband once (:umm2:) I didn't go on This Morning to cry discrimination. A mistake is a mistake.
That isn’t a different gender sweetie
Marsh.
23-03-2019, 11:58 PM
That isn’t a different gender sweetie
I never said it was. :oh:
People make mistakes in referring to people as things they assume they are. :fist:
armand.kay
24-03-2019, 01:07 AM
she deserves an apology.
armand.kay
24-03-2019, 01:14 AM
Just watched the whole thing and honestly...big deal over nothing.
It's really easy to say this from the prospective of a cis person who's never gone through the trauma of feeling like you're in the wrong body. while this may not seem like a big deal to you to trans people misgendering can be extremely hurtful.
Exactly! She's got a deep ****ing voice for **** sake.
If blindfolded and you heard her voice, I guarantee the majority of people would think that's a man.
Yeah her voice is deep but I've met old ladies with deeper voices. If they can see she's clearly presenting as female I don't see why they would get confused.
It's really easy to say this from the prospective of a cis person who's never gone through the trauma of feeling like you're in the wrong body. while this may not seem like a big deal to you to trans people misgendering can be extremely hurtful.
Yeah her voice is deep but I've met old ladies with deeper voices. If they can see she's clearly presenting as female I don't see why they would get confused.My heart bleeds! for someone's hurty feelings.
Why should we care?
Do she care about the hurt feelings that we have in our lives?
armand.kay
24-03-2019, 01:30 AM
My heart bleeds! for someone's hurty feelings.
Why should we care?
Do she care about the hurt feelings that we have in our lives?
Sis is asking from an apology from the rail company? Not you?? I don't think anyone is concerned with you not caring.
Mystic Mock
24-03-2019, 01:41 AM
Isn't it actually more common nowadays for women to be called sir? I'm genuinely curious to see if this will really go anywhere for her considering the terminology that was used does get used for born women nowadays too.
Sis is asking from an apology from the rail company? Not you?? I don't think anyone is concerned with you not caring.Why do we need to know about this on the television?
Who cares that she's demanding an apology from somebody who has done nothing wrong?
Only she cares, and she'll have to stop thinking she's so precious that the whole nation must join in her hurt feelings.
reece(:
24-03-2019, 02:01 AM
Why do we need to know about this on the television?
Who cares that she's demanding an apology from somebody who has done nothing wrong?
Only she cares, and she'll have to stop thinking she's so precious that the whole nation must join in her hurt feelings.
Not according to the Gender Equality Act
armand.kay
24-03-2019, 02:35 AM
Not according to the Gender Equality Act
boop!
Not according to the Gender Equality ActThe company deny it happened, there's no mention of any witnesses, we only have her word for it.
Is there any possibility she could be taking advantage of the Gender Equality Act? Maybe for £2K worth of compensation.
Any chance that could be a possibility.?
Mokka
24-03-2019, 02:54 AM
The company deny it happened, there's no mention of any witnesses, we only have her word for it.
Is there any possibility she could be taking advantage of the Gender Equality Act? Maybe for £2K worth of compensation.
Any chance that could be a possibility.?
Any chance the company are denying it to save the negative exposure?
Any chance that could be a possibility.?
Any chance the company are denying it to save the negative exposure?
Any chance that could be a possibility.?Yes! there is a chance of that, that is a possibility.
Holly had to keep doing little coughs during the interview, to stop herself from laughing at the story that was being told.
Elliot
24-03-2019, 08:25 AM
If someone’s misgendered, I always thought it’s best just to educate and inform them, the person apologises and the two reasonable people move on! If it persists it’s harrasment and is also protected under the gender equality act. The train company seems to be telling a different story so either they’re lying to save their asses which can’t really be proved or it does seem like a bit of a money thing
Babayaro.
24-03-2019, 09:18 AM
Isn't it actually more common nowadays for women to be called sir? I'm genuinely curious to see if this will really go anywhere for her considering the terminology that was used does get used for born women nowadays too.
Lmfao I have never heard someone call a woman "sir"
If the person complaining has masculine features and a deep voice, I would suggest there were reasonable grounds for someone not paying much attention to misgender. Without witnesses to state that the man was being a tit, this has no chance of going anywhere.
Oliver_W
24-03-2019, 10:56 AM
She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker, if nothing else.
REAL LIFE: ‘Since I transitioned, life is brilliant’
(https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/lifestyle/real-life-since-i-transitioned-life-is-brilliant-1-8174521)
It’s hard to imagine what it must be like waking up every day feeling you were born in the wrong body. But that’s exactly what life is like for people who are transgender .
Earlier this year, Katie underwent surgery and is now female, four years after starting her transition. She hopes to encourage and inspire others in a similar position to her. But what led to her making such a life-changing decision? ‘It all started back in 2014. I previously identified as a gay male,’ she says. ‘I went to a fancy dress party, wearing a dress.
‘I’d never worn a dress before. I didn’t really have any thoughts about being transgender. ‘But I went to this party and had a really good evening. ‘For several weeks after that I started to think about how comfortable I felt, not just because I was in a dress but because of my femininity.’ Katie, who was David at the time, went to see her GP and was referred to a gender clinic in Exeter.
She went on to have psychological assessments to test her state of mind and make sure that she was going down the right road.
She went on to have psychological assessments to test her state of mind and make sure that she was going down the right road.
By that point, she had ditched all her male clothes and had begun to dress as a woman. She was prescribed hormone treatment which she began to take straight away. They enhanced her breasts and gave her body more of a female shape. She continued to have appointments and assessments at the clinic until December last year when she was finally given a date for surgery. The operation took place in April this year at a hospital in Brighton.
Oliver_W
24-03-2019, 10:58 AM
Sis is asking from an apology from the rail company? Not you?? I don't think anyone is concerned with you not caring.
She doesn't just want an apology, she wants £2500 compensation (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812641/Transgender-woman-demands-apology-2-500-compensation-Southern-staff-call-sir-twice.html). That's completely disproportionate.
My heart bleeds! for someone's hurty feelings.
Why should we care?
Do she care about the hurt feelings that we have in our lives?
She's my nan so yes she cares about my hurt feelings idk about yours tho
Vicky.
24-03-2019, 11:24 AM
She seems to be a bit of an attention seeker, if nothing else.
It’s hard to imagine what it must be like waking up every day feeling you were born in the wrong body. But that’s exactly what life is like for people who are transgender .
Erm. Apparently this is transphobic these days as no sex dysphoria is required to be 'trans', though quite what 'trans' is if not body dysphoria I don't bloody know. But thats apparently the case and thinking that sex dysphoria is necessary for being trans makes you a godawful bigot, and if you are trans yourself and say this, it means you are 'truscum' :umm2:
If no body dysphoria is involved its pretty much nothing more than liking the 'wrong' stereotypes and having individual taste! Which seems to have been part of the reason we have the ridiculous situation we have today over all of this. Being male and wanting to wear a dress does not make you a woman, just as a female wearing trousers does not make her male. Nonsense.
As for the misgendering part of it, sorry but regardless of what someone is wearing their sex is generally extremely obvious, especially with late transitioning males. So it happens without even thinking. We do not recognise male/female by the fact that they have short hair and wear a suit or whatever. Thats just the stereotypes attached to sex, our eyes tell us male and female easily.
Vicky.
24-03-2019, 11:30 AM
She doesn't just want an apology, she wants £2500 compensation (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812641/Transgender-woman-demands-apology-2-500-compensation-Southern-staff-call-sir-twice.html). That's completely disproportionate.
Like Mr 'Wax my balls' (though I think I prefer the twitter nickname of 'Balldemort'). Trying to sue many many beauty parlours as they refused to wax his male genitals, as he 'is a woman' and its the same. Like, ignoring the fact that its a totally different technique and that basically, if they are insured to do women, they could get into a hell of a lot of trouble, along with doing damage to the person wanting their balls waxed. Something like 12 separate women he is trying to get compensation from for this. Possibly more now.
People like this^ are just massive attention seekers and honestly, just abusive men on a power trip. MRAs have hitched a ride on a genuine cause, and are creating a gigantic backlash against actual transsexual people tbh.
Edit. Oh, and Wax My Balls is also a pedo, who posts about how he wishes a 12 year old girl would ask him for a tampon in the loo, and then he could show them how to use them :umm2: What a catch.
Like Mr 'Wax my balls' (though I think I prefer the twitter nickname of 'Balldemort'). Trying to sue many many beauty parlours as they refused to wax his male genitals, as he 'is a woman' and its the same. Like, ignoring the fact that its a totally different technique and that basically, if they are insured to do women, they could get into a hell of a lot of trouble, along with doing damage to the person wanting their balls waxed. Something like 12 separate women he is trying to get compensation from for this. Possibly more now.
People like this^ are just massive attention seekers and honestly, just abusive men on a power trip. MRAs have hitched a ride on a genuine cause, and are creating a gigantic backlash against actual transsexual people tbh.
Edit. Oh, and Wax My Balls is also a pedo, who posts about how he wishes a 12 year old girl would ask him for a tampon in the loo, and then he could show them how to use them :umm2: What a catch.
wax my balls sounds a lot like kiss my ass to me :joker:
arista
24-03-2019, 11:38 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/15/09/11024696-6812641-image-a-1_1552640558778.jpg
This Fella is trouble.
Stevieb
24-03-2019, 12:10 PM
Mr Waxman is no-transgender. He is a perv who just wants physical stimulation from those women for his own pleasure and is using transgender equality as a cover, like many other men, which is exactly what women said would happen.
Northern Monkey
24-03-2019, 12:53 PM
‘Mr Wax my balls’ ‘Balldemort’
:joker: :joker: :joker:
What a crazy world this has become.
user104658
24-03-2019, 01:41 PM
The thing is, using extremely unusual / freak incidents like this waxing fellow as a benchmark for being suspicious of all transgender people is extremely misguided, and using it as justification for branding the entire population "potentially dangerous" is outright bigotry. There's no more justification for it than there is for seeing a mugshot of a black burgler and using it as justification for being suspicious of all black people "because here's evidence that THIS one is a criminal".
Balldemort is a great name, though.
Vicky.
24-03-2019, 01:51 PM
The thing is, using extremely unusual / freak incidents like this waxing fellow as a benchmark for being suspicious of all transgender people is extremely misguided, and using it as justification for branding the entire population "potentially dangerous" is outright bigotry. There's no more justification for it than there is for seeing a mugshot of a black burgler and using it as justification for being suspicious of all black people "because here's evidence that THIS one is a criminal".
Balldemort is a great name, though.
Except, as usual, noone is using individual cases to claim an entire population is potentially dangerous, though its claimed each time that when you point out such a case it means you are using that against all transpeople. Acknowledging that these people (well, abusive men) exist (and they are not as few as you would think it seems) and that loopholes make it easier for pervs like Balldemort..does not mean you are saying all trans people are pervs like Balldemort.
We know that Not All Men Are Like That too.
Vicky.
24-03-2019, 01:53 PM
Oh, and its not transgender people that are the main issue, as usual. Its abusive controlling narcissistic males who have clung onto the coattails of a genuine cause for dear life, and now appear to be controlling it that are the issue. How anyone cannot see that transactivism as it stands today (not genuine transactivism..but how it is now) is nothing more than a MRA movement, I will never understand.
GoldHeart
24-03-2019, 02:23 PM
Oh, and its not transgender people that are the main issue, as usual. Its abusive controlling narcissistic males who have clung onto the coattails of a genuine cause for dear life, and now appear to be controlling it that are the issue. How anyone cannot see that transactivism as it stands today (not genuine transactivism..but how it is now) is nothing more than a MRA movement, I will never understand.
Is this the same one I heard about in the news? , it feels like this is a recurring theme .
India Willoughby will be having a field day with this . Why is is when people make a genuine mistake or apologise then that's never the end of it ??? .
I think it's PC gone mad ,and it's going to get to the stage where people are too scared to address a female with a deep or croaky voice in case she has an outbust of " how dare you assume my gender " :bored: .
Plus what about people who dress a certain way but they still identity as their biological gender ?. It can be confusing at times , and if a person still sounds masculine then it's understandable how they'd be mistaken as "male" .
I think this person just wants attention , and sadly getting it even though there's more important things that should get reported .
Vicky.
24-03-2019, 02:25 PM
Not sure if this ones been in the news or not. First I have heard of it with this thread. Though there are many examples of similar stories.
user104658
24-03-2019, 02:40 PM
Except, as usual, noone is using individual cases to claim an entire population is potentially dangerous, though its claimed each time that when you point out such a case it means you are using that against all transpeople. Acknowledging that these people (well, abusive men) exist (and they are not as few as you would think it seems) and that loopholes make it easier for pervs like Balldemort..does not mean you are saying all trans people are pervs like Balldemort.
We know that Not All Men Are Like That too.
And yet, the unrelated examples come out in force every time there's a thread even vaguely related to trans issues. Hmmm. And a LOT of protestations if it's pointed out; honestly it's the biggest backlash you'll get on this forum. A sensitive issue, clearly, though people are hesitant to admit it, and that says plenty.
Oh, and its not transgender people that are the main issue, as usual. Its abusive controlling narcissistic males who have clung onto the coattails of a genuine cause for dear life, and now appear to be controlling it that are the issue. How anyone cannot see that transactivism as it stands today (not genuine transactivism..but how it is now) is nothing more than a MRA movement, I will never understand.
Yes I imagine it probably seems so if you immerse yourself in social media / forum melting pots full of confirmation bias and frenzied hysteria.
Oliver_W
24-03-2019, 02:46 PM
I don't agree with misgendering but this is one of my favourite videos from this year
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Matthew.
24-03-2019, 02:50 PM
I don't agree with misgendering
Yet you refer to Kyra on BBCAN as “she” every chance you get
Lostie!
24-03-2019, 02:52 PM
I thing lodging a complaint against the first guy when she didn't even bother to correct him was unfair. He could have thought she was a cross dresser. Mistakes happen, and instantly wanting people punished for them isn't the best way to educate. With the second guy, if he saw her details then it should have been clear so fair enough on that one. Although I'm also tired of this culture of demanding compensation that's going on nowadays.
Oliver_W
24-03-2019, 02:59 PM
Yet you refer to Kyra on BBCAN as “she” every chance you get
If Kyra was a transman, I'd say he, because men exist; with the transwoman in this thread, I say she, because women exist. But nonbinary is just nonsense. If I remember to use preferred pronouns for enbys I will though.
GoldHeart
24-03-2019, 03:08 PM
I thing lodging a complaint against the first guy when she didn't even bother to correct him was unfair. He could have thought she was a cross dresser. Mistakes happen, and instantly wanting people punished for them isn't the best way to educate. With the second guy, if he saw her details then it should have been clear so fair enough on that one. Although I'm also tired of this culture of demanding compensation that's going on nowadays.
Exactly it's getting ridiculous now .
And it can be confusing as like you say some people are just cross dressers
Niamh.
24-03-2019, 03:17 PM
And yet, the unrelated examples come out in force every time there's a thread even vaguely related to trans issues. Hmmm. And a LOT of protestations if it's pointed out; honestly it's the biggest backlash you'll get on this forum. A sensitive issue, clearly, though people are hesitant to admit it, and that says plenty.
Yes I imagine it probably seems so if you immerse yourself in social media / forum melting pots full of confirmation bias and frenzied hysteria.Oh hysteria [emoji23]
user104658
24-03-2019, 03:27 PM
Oh hysteria [emoji23]It's not a word I particularly like because of the etymology but honestly if you've ever been on a "more colourful" Mumsnet thread, I don't think there's any other applicable word. Pitchforks and paranoia.
Mystic Mock
24-03-2019, 04:01 PM
Lmfao I have never heard someone call a woman "sir"
It's not a very common thing but it does happen nowadays, admittedly more in work environments though compared to this case which is more strange if this woman is telling the truth on what the worker said to her.
It's gonna be one of those cases where a misunderstanding has happened and neither side will back down, I doubt that the woman is deliberately lying, and I doubt that the business would want to lose business by being deliberately rude to a customer.
Marsh.
24-03-2019, 04:23 PM
Isn't it actually more common nowadays for women to be called sir? I'm genuinely curious to see if this will really go anywhere for her considering the terminology that was used does get used for born women nowadays too.
wut
arista
24-03-2019, 05:03 PM
I don't agree with misgendering but this is one of my favourite videos from this year
Lb6OpRfyLFo
More Touchy in the USA
Mystic Mock
24-03-2019, 05:19 PM
wut
Maybe I've watched too much American Sci-Fi shows where that dialogue gets used a lot.:laugh:
Marsh.
24-03-2019, 05:21 PM
Maybe I've watched too much American Sci-Fi shows where that dialogue gets used a lot.:laugh:
I think because it's probably used in the armed forces, which things like Star Trek copy with their official "officer" characters.
Don't thing women being called "sir" has ever been a social thing.
Mystic Mock
24-03-2019, 05:41 PM
I think because it's probably used in the armed forces, which things like Star Trek copy with their official "officer" characters.
Don't thing women being called "sir" has ever been a social thing.
Yeah that does make sense.
I didn't realise that shows like Star Trek and Galactica had warped my world view so much.:joker:
Oliver_W
24-03-2019, 05:54 PM
Yeah that does make sense.
I didn't realise that shows like Star Trek and Galactica had warped my world view so much.:joker:
I missed the episode where Kathryn Janeway yelled IT'S MA'AM! and smashed up the Voyager's bridge.
user104658
24-03-2019, 06:01 PM
I missed the episode where Kathryn Janeway yelled IT'S MA'AM! and smashed up the Voyager's bridge.I missed the second half because that scene was so sexy.
armand.kay
24-03-2019, 06:03 PM
She doesn't just want an apology, she wants £2500 compensation (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812641/Transgender-woman-demands-apology-2-500-compensation-Southern-staff-call-sir-twice.html). That's completely disproportionate.
run her her check! quickly @southernRail
Tony Montana
24-03-2019, 06:05 PM
Lmfao Mock, you deleted your post, but you still quoted it and it’s still there :joker:
Oliver_W
24-03-2019, 06:11 PM
run her her check! quickly @southernRail
Nah, it's not really warranted. I don't fault her for wanting free money btw, but she shouldn't actually get it.
Marsh.
24-03-2019, 06:20 PM
Winner of RuPaul's Drag Race UK 1?
user104658
24-03-2019, 06:26 PM
I mean to be fair, you'd be lucky to get a return from Manchester to London Euston for £2500.
Mystic Mock
24-03-2019, 06:33 PM
Lmfao Mock, you deleted your post, but you still quoted it and it’s still there :joker:
I'm gonna have to delete that post too.:laugh:
It's just I'm not comfortable ripping into a group of people that already get a lot of stick as it is, even if I do find it strange it doesn't personally harm me so I probably shouldn't help put the knife in.
user104658
24-03-2019, 06:45 PM
I'm gonna have to delete that post too.[emoji23]
It's just I'm not comfortable ripping into a group of people that already get a lot of stick as it is, even if I do find it strange it doesn't personally harm me so I probably shouldn't help put the knife in.It's OK, it's in vogue to hate on gender related issues.
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Should not have gone to specs avers
Amy Jade
24-03-2019, 08:30 PM
It's really easy to say this from the prospective of a cis person who's never gone through the trauma of feeling like you're in the wrong body. while this may not seem like a big deal to you to trans people misgendering can be extremely hurtful.
Yeah her voice is deep but I've met old ladies with deeper voices. If they can see she's clearly presenting as female I don't see why they would get confused.
So hurtful £2500 compensation will make her feel better though...:think:
Not saying I know how she feels but truthfully she doesn't look or sound feminine so mistakes will happen, she never even corrected the first person and the second denied doing it so is likely to have seen her or heard her for a split second and never thought much of it, is thst really worth compensation?
Marsh.
24-03-2019, 09:34 PM
Thing is though, the people who say "She's clearly presenting as female" are the same ones who say "Well, why is it a female attribute to be in a dress? People can wear whatever irrespective of gender!" Yet, when one sex/gender is identifying as another they do so with cliche stereotypes.
This lady in the OP seems more like a crossdresser to me. Never in their life felt like they were in the wrong body but suddenly found they enjoyed wearing women's clothes, that doesn't necessarily translate to 'want to be a woman'.
Mokka
24-03-2019, 10:54 PM
Thing is though, the people who say "She's clearly presenting as female" are the same ones who say "Well, why is it a female attribute to be in a dress? People can wear whatever irrespective of gender!" Yet, when one sex/gender is identifying as another they do so with cliche stereotypes.
This lady in the OP seems more like a crossdresser to me. Never in their life felt like they were in the wrong body but suddenly found they enjoyed wearing women's clothes, that doesn't necessarily translate to 'want to be a woman'.
Even at that, when watching drag, we all call the guys she and her when in drag, and he/him when out of drag.
We are all born naked and the rest is drag... as it goes.
Elliot
24-03-2019, 10:55 PM
Thing is though, the people who say "She's clearly presenting as female" are the same ones who say "Well, why is it a female attribute to be in a dress? People can wear whatever irrespective of gender!" Yet, when one sex/gender is identifying as another they do so with cliche stereotypes.
Saying that someone fits into the conventional way we view gender and saying that conventional gender norms are harmful are two completely different things tbh
Marsh.
24-03-2019, 11:00 PM
Saying that someone fits into the conventional way we view gender and saying that conventional gender norms are harmful are two completely different things tbh
Not really. They're either harmful or they're how we identify gender, you can't have it both ways.
She clearly says she's never gone through life feeling as though she was in the wrong body and it was only dressing up in women's clothes that she said she found it "comfortable". Sounds more like a man feeling more comfortable wearing what is conventionally women's clothes rather than this "I like wearing dresses therefore I am now a woman" story being sold.
Either that or she explained her story terribly in the interview.
armand.kay
25-03-2019, 01:47 AM
So hurtful £2500 compensation will make her feel better though...:think:
Not saying I know how she feels but truthfully she doesn't look or sound feminine so mistakes will happen, she never even corrected the first person and the second denied doing it so is likely to have seen her or heard her for a split second and never thought much of it, is thst really worth compensation?
The £2500 compensation will probably make southern rail think a bit more about how seriously they take complains like her's, from the sounds of it when she flagged it up she was dismissed.
also no offence to old ladies but a few of them are a tad masculine.
armand.kay
25-03-2019, 01:52 AM
Not really. They're either harmful or they're how we identify gender, you can't have it both ways.
She clearly says she's never gone through life feeling as though she was in the wrong body and it was only dressing up in women's clothes that she said she found it "comfortable". Sounds more like a man feeling more comfortable wearing what is conventionally women's clothes rather than this "I like wearing dresses therefore I am now a woman" story being sold.
Either that or she explained her story terribly in the interview.
The interview pretty short and wasn't really focused on her transition and her mental process before and throughout. She gave a really brief summary of when how her transition started. You really don't have enough info to make this assumption.
Marsh.
25-03-2019, 03:03 AM
The interview pretty short and wasn't really focused on her transition and her mental process before and throughout. She gave a really brief summary of when how her transition started. You really don't have enough info to make this assumption.
Well, I did say "unless she explained her story terribly".
BUT, she also explicitly says she's never had ANY form of thoughts about being a woman, wanting to be a woman or not feeling right in her body she was born with. So, contrary to your reply, I have exactly the right amount of information to REPEAT what she said. It's not an assumption, it's what she says.
Oliver_W
25-03-2019, 08:07 AM
The interview pretty short and wasn't really focused on her transition and her mental process before and throughout. She gave a really brief summary of when how her transition started. You really don't have enough info to make this assumption.
A previous interview (https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/lifestyle/real-life-since-i-transitioned-life-is-brilliant-1-8174521) of hers backs up Marsh's summary:
Earlier this year, Katie underwent surgery and is now female, four years after starting her transition.
She hopes to encourage and inspire others in a similar position to her.
But what led to her making such a life-changing decision?
‘It all started back in 2014. I previously identified as a gay male,’ she says.
‘I went to a fancy dress party, wearing a dress.
‘I’d never worn a dress before. I didn’t really have any thoughts about being transgender.
‘But I went to this party and had a really good evening.
‘For several weeks after that I started to think about how comfortable I felt, not just because I was in a dress but because of my femininity.’
‘The only time I wear jeans is when I go out first thing in the morning to take the dog for a walk. The rest of the time I wear dresses or skirts because it embraces my femininity.’
user104658
25-03-2019, 08:19 AM
So Marsh's summary is that this person felt physically more comfortable in dresses and that's why she chooses to wear them, is backed up by a statement that makes it abundantly clear that she is referring to feeling more comfortable as an individual / as an identity (and not the physical comfort of the softer fabric :facepalm: ) oh and also states that she has actually had her male genitals removed.
But yes all of this clearly would lead to the conclusion that this is just "just a bloke who felt more physically comfortable in female clothes so wears dresses".
Clear as day.
:umm2:
No what is in fact going on here is that people are OK with trans so long as the individual looks and sounds feminine and pretty, but "ugly trans" isn't allowed and those blokes should get their overalls back on. Amirite? Disgusting pervs, how DARE they not have dainty features :fist:.
So Marsh's summary is that this person felt physically more comfortable in dresses and that's why she chooses to wear them, is backed up by a statement that makes it abundantly clear that she is referring to feeling more comfortable as an individual / as an identity (and not the physical comfort of the softer fabric :facepalm: ) oh and also states that she has actually had her male genitals removed.
But yes all of this clearly would lead to the conclusion that this is just "just a bloke who felt more physically comfortable in female clothes so wears dresses".
Clear as day.
:umm2:
No what is in fact going on here is that people are OK with trans so long as the individual looks and sounds feminine and pretty, but "ugly trans" isn't allowed and those blokes should get their overalls back on. Amirite? Disgusting pervs, how DARE they not have dainty features :fist:.What's going on here from my point of view is that this person is making this story up, and this should have never made the TV.
user104658
25-03-2019, 08:28 AM
What's going on here from my point of view is that this person is making this story up, and this should have never made the TV.Whether or not the train story is true is completely irrelevant to everything I've said in the post you quoted, Alf.
Though I see no reason to think that it's "made up". The demand for compensation is a bit much and an apology should be enough but it being a complete fabrication is a stretch.
GoldHeart
25-03-2019, 12:30 PM
if YOU YOURSELF accidentally called this trans woman a "SIR" or "HE" and she went ballistic calling you prejudice and blah blah?? , what if you apologised and she still reported you and went on national TV moaning about it and demanding compensation? .
Sometimes genuine mistakes happen and people get misgendered, it's not the end of the world. If there was name calling & mocking then that's different . But to call a slip of the tongue a "hate crime" is just stupid :facepalm: . , Some people get confused as sometimes its cross dressers and so on .
And this person obviously just wants attention! as she didn't even correct the first person who called her "sir", and the second person again might of genuinely thought she was a man by hearing the voice .yet she insists on forming a complaint and going to court and getting compensation :bored: .
Amy Jade
25-03-2019, 01:02 PM
The £2500 compensation will probably make southern rail think a bit more about how seriously they take complains like her's, from the sounds of it when she flagged it up she was dismissed.
also no offence to old ladies but a few of them are a tad masculine.
I don't get why money would help with that? Just comes across as greedy really.
She never rectified the first guy and the second claims he said something else entirely. I hope she loses her case.
Marsh.
25-03-2019, 02:38 PM
So Marsh's summary is that this person felt physically more comfortable in dresses and that's why she chooses to wear them, is backed up by a statement that makes it abundantly clear that she is referring to feeling more comfortable as an individual / as an identity (and not the physical comfort of the softer fabric :facepalm: ) oh and also states that she has actually had her male genitals removed.
But yes all of this clearly would lead to the conclusion that this is just "just a bloke who felt more physically comfortable in female clothes so wears dresses".
Clear as day.
:umm2:
No what is in fact going on here is that people are OK with trans so long as the individual looks and sounds feminine and pretty, but "ugly trans" isn't allowed and those blokes should get their overalls back on. Amirite? Disgusting pervs, how DARE they not have dainty features :fist:.
Oh dear. Bitter are we?
If you'd like to take a stab at what I actually said and not this pathetic attempt at baiting I might respond.
Instead of putting words in people's mouths, offer your own opinion. Or do you remain incapable?
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