What do you think happened to Madeleine McCann?

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[Glenn.]

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

and both parents were involved and have hoodwinked all the cops at Scotland yard

:facepalm:

[Glenn.]

and both parents were involved and have hoodwinked all the cops at Scotland yard

:facepalm:

Dirty cunning bastards

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dirty cunning bastards

mind you, you were right about Smollett..


:worry:

[The Slim Reaper]

Anyone know if they ever did a lie detector test?

[RileyH]

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone know if they ever did a lie detector test?

they dont work and why would they? :joker:

[user104658]

I used to be convinced it was an accident covered up by the parents, now I think they're simply lying about "checking frequently" and were actually leaving them alone all night or maybe checking very infrequently and so there was probably a large span of time in which pretty much anything could have happened to her. Maybe someone did go in and take her, or maybe she wandered out on her own looking for them and was grabbed elsewhereand both parents were involved and have hoodwinked all the cops at Scotland yard



:facepalm:Tbf (and again, I'm not convinced they are involved any more) you wouldn't know what "all the cops at Scotland Yard" think as they wouldn't be allowed to say if they even suspect it if there's clearly no evidence of it. They're only allowed to publicly report on their official lines of investigation, not their personal hunches.

[The Slim Reaper]

they dont work and why would they? :joker:

They're not infallible, but they're better than not working at all. I just wondered if the portuguese might have done one. I know they're big in the states, so was just curious is all.

[Liam-]

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

Nail, head.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if there is a parent on here who thinks that 2 people like them could agree to kill their own child and then spend 10 years in the public eye lying about it?

[Liam-]

They didn’t agree to kill her, it was accidental and they decided to cover it up, they’re not cold blooded murderers, they’re just incredibly bad parents.

[Smithy]

I wonder if there is a parent on here who thinks that 2 people like them could agree to kill their own child and then spend 10 years in the public eye lying about it?

Yes Niamh and Vicky, both respectable parents who would never neglect their children by leaving them alone so that they could go out to drink with friends

[Alf]

Anyone know if they ever did a lie detector test?Yes, it turned out that Gerry was the father, in fact he got a full house. Both are currently talking with Graham.

[Ramsay]

Used to think they accidentally killed her but to be honest when I really think about it I can't see how they'd act normal at dinner, dispose of her body in an unknown country and the fact they keep bringing her up every year when any parent that killed their child would try and keep low after it happened. Plus the other attempted abductions in the area leading up to when Maddie was taken makes me think it was a case of serious parental neglect and they shouldve been done for that, 100%

[Glenn.]

mind you, you were right about Smollett..


:worry:

My intuition knows no boundaries

[user104658]

Anyone know if they ever did a lie detector test?It's unreliable science at best, I think only Jezza Kyle uses them these days.

[AnnieK]

They're not infallible, but they're better than not working at all. I just wondered if the portuguese might have done one. I know they're big in the states, so was just curious is all.

Considering Kate no commented through her interview when the police were trying to find her daughter, I doubt she would've consented to a lie detector :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Niamh and Vicky, both respectable parents who would never neglect their children by leaving them alone so that they could go out to drink with friends

yes great but that isnt what i said

[AnnieK]

I wonder if there is a parent on here who thinks that 2 people like them could agree to kill their own child and then spend 10 years in the public eye lying about it?

No good parent would,no.

However, no good parent I know would leave 3 babies unattended either.

So god knows what these two are thinking

[Crimson Dynamo]

Used to think they accidentally killed her but to be honest when I really think about it I can't see how they'd act normal at dinner, dispose of her body in an unknown country and the fact they keep bringing her up every year when any parent that killed their child would try and keep low after it happened. Plus the other attempted abductions in the area leading up to when Maddie was taken makes me think it was a case of serious parental neglect and they shouldve been done for that, 100%

under what law?

"dont leave your kid alone for 1 minute in case a paedo abducts them" RULE 1877

[Crimson Dynamo]

No good parent would,no.

However, no good parent I know would leave 3 babies unattended either.

So god knows what these two are thinking

so you know what a "good" parent is and what is a bad parent? :umm2:

astounding

[Liam-]

A good parent wouldn’t leave their kids alone so they could go for a piss up, that’s a fact

[AnnieK]

so you know what a "good" parent is and what is a bad parent? :umm2:

astounding

You asked the question of parents. As a parent that must make me qualified to answer said question in your eyes. My answer is no good parent would leave their child, who is.no more than a baby, to go out drinking, compounded by the fact said child had already said she had awoken and cried for her parents the evening before when left alone.

[Ramsay]

under what law?

"dont leave your kid alone for 1 minute in case a paedo abducts them" RULE 1877

You're seriously tripping if you think they were only left for 1 minute at a time haha
Even 1 minute alone in an apartment on holiday is too much, I wouldn't leave my phone in an unlocked apartment never mind my own kid

[rusticgal]

I think the parents are guilty of serious child neglect...I believe she was taken and the perbertrators had been watching their pattern every evening. I think the parents were aware of paedophiles in the area hence her immediate comment on finding her missing “they’ve taken her”....
Their negligence resulted in her disappearance...they have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're seriously tripping if you think they were only left for 1 minute at a time haha
Even 1 minute alone in an apartment on holiday is too much, I wouldn't leave my phone in an unlocked apartment never mind my own kid

and your thoughts on Alesha in Scotland?

[Crimson Dynamo]

and how many children do you have?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the parents are guilty of serious child neglect...I believe she was taken and the perbertrators had been watching their pattern every evening. I think the parents were aware of paedophiles in the area hence her immediate comment on finding her missing “they’ve taken her”....
Their negligence resulted in her disappearance...they have to live with that guilt for the rest of their lives.

they were aware how?

[rusticgal]

they were aware how?


I don’t know how...maybe local talk..I just think judging by her response it’s very likely she knew.
If I found my child missing my first response wouldn’t be THEYVE TAKEN HER unless I had an idea such activity was going on...just my opinion.

[Elliot]

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

This 100%. Never trusted either of them tbh

[Ant.]

I just wanna know if she's dead or not

[Beso]

I think she realised her parents were ***** leaving her alone in a strange country, so I'm hoping she robbed her dad's wallet, before packing her bags and effing off.


I doubt it though, I think her dad sold her to paedos.

[Kazanne]

I have never believed she was abducted, I think they were drugged to make them sleep,but I think Madeline woke up and wandered off looking for her mom and dad and still groggy fell into the one of the many disused mineshafts or into one of the trenches on one of the building sites that were there then, I honestly do not know if they had a hand in killing her I'de hate to think they did but there are several things that don't add up with them, but innocent until proven guilty I guess, BUT they are definitely guilty of neglect,I cannot understand why they weren't charged with that at least, it's hard to distinguish the lies from the truth,she either wandered off and fell or she was dead in the apartment,no way do I think she was abducted, just my opinion.

[Ramsay]

and your thoughts on Alesha in Scotland?

Haven't heard anything about that

and how many children do you have?

Don't need kids to be able to tell they neglected their daughter by going on the piss m8

[GoldHeart]

I have never believed she was abducted, I think they were drugged to make them sleep,but I think Madeline woke up and wandered off looking for her mom and dad and still groggy fell into the one of the many disused mineshafts or into one of the trenches on one of the building sites that were there then, I honestly do not know if they had a hand in killing her I'de hate to think they did but there are several things that don't add up with them, but innocent until proven guilty I guess, BUT they are definitely guilty of neglect,I cannot understand why they weren't charged with that at least, it's hard to distinguish the lies from the truth,she either wandered off and fell or she was dead in the apartment,no way do I think she was abducted, just my opinion.

This is what i don't understand either , as i said in another thread i think if McCann's were working class chavs from the council estate then social services would of been involved years ago ! :facepalm: .

Obviously it shouldn't matter what class or job somebody has if they're neglectful parents then they're neglectful . The McCann's behaviour from The beginning had red flags for me.

And i think Madeline & the 2 babies were drugged aswell , i also think Madeline banged her head nd died in the house and they returned home to find her and decided to cover it up.

The main photo they used for Madeline when she "went missing" was a strange one up close to her face where she looks startled or even a little scared you could say , very strange photo to use and i noticed Madeline's eye has like a popped blood vessel .

[Ramsay]

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And i think Madeline & the 2 babies were drugged aswell , i also think Madeline banged her head nd died in the house and they returned home to find her and decided to cover it up.
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The twins weren't drugged

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/tests-show-mccanns-did-not-sedate-madeleine-siblings-397407.html%3famp

[Niamh.]

The twins weren't drugged



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/tests-show-mccanns-did-not-sedate-madeleine-siblings-397407.html%3fampThe twins weren't tested until a time when any drugs would have left their system, the twins never woke all through lights being turned on, people going in and out of the bedroom and being moved to another apartment. Kate herself says in her book she thought they may have been drugged but she never thought to bring it up that night or demand they get checked

[Niamh.]

I wonder if there is a parent on here who thinks that 2 people like them could agree to kill their own child and then spend 10 years in the public eye lying about it?I dont think anyone actually thinks they killed her though

[reece(:]

I believe the theory that they gave the kids sleeping pills and Madeleine overdosed and died

[caprimint]

It's really interesting to read everyone's thoughts on this.

I still have no idea at all tbh. I find it all to be very dodgy; because of the way that Kate & Gerry have acted in interviews, refusing to answer questions and how blood was found in the back of their car. Also their story hasn't been consistent regarding the times that the children were being looked after.

Also I don't really think they killed her (or even accidentally). I feel like people only go to the overdosing thoughts because they're doctors?

It's possible that she was taken but I sort of just find that to be too coincidental?

I dunno. I feel like it could have something to do with their 'friends' who were going over to their place that night to watch the kids. I think Kate & Gerry could know more than they let on as well.

[bots]

I think they may have considered her a difficult child and gave her away, not necessarily to a dodgy child abusing ring, but to some illegal adoption thing. I think killing her/disposing of the body couldnt have been achieved without some local help, and that wouldn't have remained a secret all these years.

[Vicky.]

I think the parents, or one of the group drugged her. I do not believe it was calpol as there wouldn't really be any reason to cover that up as its easily explained away as 'he gave her some then I did not knowing he had'. And I think there was an accident when a drugged Madeleine climbed on the sofa to look out the window for her parents. I think Gerry found her on his 'check' (though I think the checks were virtually non-existant and were added on to make the abduction thing more plausable) and..quickly disposed of her. I do not think Kate actually knew until a bit later but she clearly would by now. I think they turned the tragic situation to be a moneyspinner and have done very well from that. I think the main reason they got away with it all was just luck.

I understand a lot of the thoeires though and really, a great number of them could be true. All I know is basically, there was no evidence of an intruder, and the cadaver dog indicated there.

[Vicky.]

You asked the question of parents. As a parent that must make me qualified to answer said question in your eyes. My answer is no good parent would leave their child, who is.no more than a baby, to go out drinking, compounded by the fact said child had already said she had awoken and cried for her parents the evening before when left alone.

Indeed..and especially after the kid only the day before had told you that they had woken up crying and looking for you. Cold callous parents to ignore that and kep doing it tbh. I think this might have been how the oversdose happened actually. They had been giving them something light to sleep, and not checking (unless likle, going back to the room for cash and having a quick look them) then when told they weren't being as effective as they thought, upping the dose rather than just staying in with the kids, or taking them with them.

If you want an adults only holiday, thas fine. Hell me and Gav just got back from one of those while grandad had the kids for a week. But, why take the kids if all day you are palming them off in the creche, and all night you leave them alone so you can get pissed. This always baffles me tbh.

[Vicky.]

I think they may have considered her a difficult child and gave her away, not necessarily to a dodgy child abusing ring, but to some illegal adoption thing. I think killing her/disposing of the body couldnt have been achieved without some local help, and that wouldn't have remained a secret all these years.

This has been acknowledged a few times.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-482238/Kate-McCann-My-struggle-control-difficult-Madeleine.html

Different quote (so not made up..rest of story can be but direct quotes no) that really boils my piss...

Mrs McCann also insisted that she and her husband were "truly responsible parents" and had committed no crime.

"But the certainty that we are truly responsible parents has helped me carry on.

"I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."

This insistence that they were responsible parents, how could you say this given the circumstance, I mean, even is an abduction did happen its just constant 'nothing we did put the kids at risk' type thing :umm2:

[thesheriff443]

I dont think anyone actually thinks they killed her though

Some do, some think she was being sexually abused, some think she died from being given drugs and overdosed, some think she fell, some think the parents disposed of her body.

Lots question how two parents can show no emotion.

[Niamh.]

I think the parents, or one of the group drugged her. I do not believe it was calpol as there wouldn't really be any reason to cover that up as its easily explained away as 'he gave her some then I did not knowing he had'. And I think there was an accident when a drugged Madeleine climbed on the sofa to look out the window for her parents. I think Gerry found her on his 'check' (though I think the checks were virtually non-existant and were added on to make the abduction thing more plausable) and..quickly disposed of her. I do not think Kate actually knew until a bit later but she clearly would by now. I think they turned the tragic situation to be a moneyspinner and have done very well from that. I think the main reason they got away with it all was just luck.

I understand a lot of the thoeires though and really, a great number of them could be true. All I know is basically, there was no evidence of an intruder, and the cadaver dog indicated there.

Yeah, pretty much my thoughts aswell, these are the two things that are fact rather than theory and neither point to someone kidnapping her

[Niamh.]

Some do, some think she was being sexually abused, some think she died from being given drugs and overdosed, some think she fell, some think the parents disposed of her body.

Lots question how two parents can show no emotion.

I mean purposely killed her, not an accidental death caused by their neglect or irresponsibility. Killing her implies murder which implies intention, is what I mean

[chuff me dizzy]

This is where all the facts are stored, great reference point


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk

[Niamh.]

This is where all the facts are stored, great reference point


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk

Yeah and those are actual Police files

[chuff me dizzy]

Yeah and those are actual Police files

Yes they are ......... For some reason ( and until the reason is revealed the McCanns have controlled the press all this time, unlike any other case ever )

My theory after years and years on many groups with very informed people is ....... I think Maddie died the night before the alarm was raised,I think she died the night Mrs Fenn heard crying for a long time, but I dont think it was Maddie shouting DADDY as reported,I think it was Kate shouting MADDIE (Therefore outing the lie they told by claiming they never called her by that name, which they DID )I think Kate came home in a temper due to Gerrys flirting with the woman in the bar ,Maddie woke up and Kate lashed out at her, which answers why her clothing had Maddies death scent on them and also the reason for all the blood found behind the sofa ,I think her body was refrigerated ( as Amaral believes ) and taken 25 days later on the Huelva trip where there were unaccounted for milage and hours ,Huelva has natural acid baths and IMO that's where Maddie body was let

[Saph]

honestly i think people WANT the parents to be involved because it makes everything so much easier, but the more I read/hear about it all I honestly think its as simple as she was stolen by someone, sold, and is part of a pedophile ring, possibly smuggled to another country.

[Saph]

If maddie had been killed by the parents I dont get why they would go so public with everything... like surely you would wait for it to die down and just get on with your life?

[AnnieK]

If maddie had been killed by the parents I dont get why they would go so public with everything... like surely you would wait for it to die down and just get on with your life?

Maybe thats what they think people would think they would do and so they kept up the pretence? I don't think, unless there is a deathbed confession by one of them, that we will ever know the truth if they did have anything to do with it

[chuff me dizzy]

If maddie had been killed by the parents I dont get why they would go so public with everything... like surely you would wait for it to die down and just get on with your life?

They are in the lie too deep to do that ,have you read the police files i posted or are you believing the Sun ?

[AnnieK]

Yes they are ......... For some reason ( and until the reason is revealed the McCanns have controlled the press all this time, unlike any other case ever )

My theory after years and years on many groups with very informed people is ....... I think Maddie died the night before the alarm was raised,I think she died the night Mrs Fenn heard crying for a long time, but I dont think it was Maddie shouting DADDY as reported,I think it was Kate shouting MADDIE (Therefore outing the lie they told by claiming they never called her by that name, which they DID )I think Kate came home in a temper due to Gerrys flirting with the woman in the bar ,Maddie woke up and Kate lashed out at her, which answers why her clothing had Maddies death scent on them and also the reason for all the blood found behind the sofa ,I think her body was refrigerated ( as Amaral believes ) and taken 25 days later on the Huelva trip where there were unaccounted for milage and hours ,Huelva has natural acid baths and IMO that's where Maddie body was let

Was she not at the kids club on the day they said she disappeared though (I haven't read the reports so I honestly don't know the answer to this).?

[reece(:]

It's really interesting to read everyone's thoughts

Also I don't really think they killed her (or even accidentally). I feel like people only go to the overdosing thoughts because they're doctors? .

Didn’t the police dog find blood and traces of drugs in the apartment though

[Jigs]

I genuinely believe she was abducted by an elusive and advanced paedophile/human trafficking network

However,

I believe that the parents of Madeleine know more about the kidnapping than what they'll lead us all to believe

[chuff me dizzy]

Was she not at the kids club on the day they said she disappeared though (I haven't read the reports so I honestly don't know the answer to this).?

Payne and Tanners daughters were spitting image of Maddie

[chuff me dizzy]

I genuinely believe she was abducted by an elusive and advanced paedophile/human trafficking network

However,

I believe that the parents of Madeleine know more about the kidnapping than what they'll lead us all to believe

Explain Maddies death scent/cadaver ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Was she not at the kids club on the day they said she disappeared though (I haven't read the reports so I honestly don't know the answer to this).?

Somewhere in the police files i posted is the creche record for that day ,please look at it

[chuff me dizzy]

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[chuff me dizzy]

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[AnnieK]

Somewhere in the police files i posted is the creche record for that day ,please look at it

Thanks Chuff, have read it now. Interesting.

[Jigs]

Explain Maddies death scent/cadaver ?

To me that barking dog explains nothing but the fact that it is a well-trained dog. For all we know, it could not mean the detection of Madeleine's cadaver.

Truthfully, I think it's way more likely that she was abducted than killed by her parents in the room and then transported elsewhere~

[Niamh.]

To me that barking dog explains nothing but the fact that it is a well-trained dog. For all we know, it could not mean the detection of Madeleine's cadaver.

Truthfully, I think it's way more likely that she was abducted than killed by her parents in the room and then transported elsewhere~

They're not just someones pet dog they dragged in from the park :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

To me that barking dog explains nothing but the fact that it is a well-trained dog. For all we know, it could not mean the detection of Madeleine's cadaver.

Truthfully, I think it's way more likely that she was abducted than killed by her parents in the room and then transported elsewhere~

Oh please stop making yourself looks silly ,these were FBI trusted, fully trained police dogs with 100% record

[chuff me dizzy]

They're not just someones pet dog they dragged in from the park :laugh:

Honestly Niamh sometimes I wonder how some people remember to breathe in and out :facepalm:

And this is NOT a personal attack on the one member, but to the public in general who are too lazy to dig deep, too easy to make Maddies short life and terrible death mean nothing

[caprimint]

Didn’t the police dog find blood and traces of drugs in the apartment though
I thought it was their car? I don't know about that, it's possible that she cut herself or something though. :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

I thought it was their car? I don't know about that, it's possible that she cut herself or something though. :shrug:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/V/08_VOLUME_VIIIa_Page_2192_a.jpg

[Jigs]

They're not just someones pet dog they dragged in from the park :laugh:

Oh please stop making yourself looks silly ,these were FBI trusted, fully trained police dogs with 100% record

then explain why the case against them was dropped due to inconclusive evidence/DNA?

I refuse to believe the only reason they're still walking free is because they paid everyone out.

I get that's an easy conclusion to reach for you conspiracists but you're talking about the idea of me being insensitive to Maddie's potential loss of life whilst gladly contributing to the media firestorm that has ruined the rest of her families'~

[Vicky.]

then explain why the case against them was dropped due to inconclusive evidence/DNA?

I refuse to believe the only reason they're still walking free is because they paid everyone out.

I get that's an easy conclusion to reach for you conspiracists but you're talking about the idea of me being insensitive to Maddie's potential loss of life whilst gladly contributing to the media firestorm that has ruined the rest of her families'~

Dog alerts on their own are not classed as evidence. I think they might be in the US though?

Also sure I have read (though god knows where and I might be misremembering), the 15 DNA markers in the hire car would have been enough to put them away if the case was in england, but Portuguese are stricter, so for all the moaning about Portuguese justice (for daring to do what any decent force would do and basically check out the family first)..they are lucky as hell it was there not here.

[Kazanne]

What baffles me is if the police have all this information,why have they not been hauled into a court and questioned under oath ?

[Jigs]

What baffles me is if the police have all this information,why have they not been hauled into a court and questioned under oath ?

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

[chuff me dizzy]

then explain why the case against them was dropped due to inconclusive evidence/DNA?

I refuse to believe the only reason they're still walking free is because they paid everyone out.

I get that's an easy conclusion to reach for you conspiracists but you're talking about the idea of me being insensitive to Maddie's potential loss of life whilst gladly contributing to the media firestorm that has ruined the rest of her families'~

LOTS of evidence to them being 100% guilty, but not the right sort of evidence YET

Im far from a Sun reader who have fallen for the 3 card trick !

[Niamh.]

then explain why the case against them was dropped due to inconclusive evidence/DNA?

I refuse to believe the only reason they're still walking free is because they paid everyone out.

I get that's an easy conclusion to reach for you conspiracists but you're talking about the idea of me being insensitive to Maddie's potential loss of life whilst gladly contributing to the media firestorm that has ruined the rest of her families'~

That's not an answer to the post you quoted of mine. The Dogs indicated how they were trained to indicate, these particular dogs were very experienced and highly successful at what they've been trained to do so your suggestion that they were just randomly barking is bizarre

[Niamh.]

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

Chuff literally posted a link to the actual Police files, everything is in there. Goncalo Amarals book was allowed to go ahead by a court decision because the judge ruled that everything he claimed was true and already available for people to view in the Police files

[Crimson Dynamo]

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

Tea
:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff literally posted a link to the actual Police files, everything is in there. Goncalo Amarals book was allowed to go ahead by a court decision because the judge ruled that everything he claimed was true and already available for people to view in the Police files

Too much like hard work to look Niamh

[Marsh.]

LOTS of evidence to them being 100% guilty

Well, that's not technically true is it or they'd be in jail.

[Jigs]

Chuff literally posted a link to the actual Police files, everything is in there. Goncalo Amarals book was allowed to go ahead by a court decision because the judge ruled that everything he claimed was true and already available for people to view in the Police files

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

[Vicky.]

What baffles me is if the police have all this information,why have they not been hauled into a court and questioned under oath ?

There is evidence, but not enough to secure a guilty verdict. One things for sure, there is more pointing towards parental involvement than there is to a random stranger.

[Jigs]

tbh I'll go on record having said that I don't like Kate and Gerry as people. I think the way they've portrayed themselves since May 2007 hasn't been entirely endearing to say the very least. But if you really think they're the perpetrators in this crime then perhaps you should be approaching the Met police with all this concrete evidence you have instead of pasting public police reports on the forum to belittle those with different beliefs regarding the case :-)

[Kazanne]

because this case has been tainted by a plethora of pseudo-criminologists who come forth and spread falsities for their own personal notoriety/gain. People like to gain purpose by thinking they know exactly what they're talking about, judging by some of the users in this thread.......

Truth is, 99% of what we hear about Madeleine is hearsay and rumour. People read the Sun newspaper and watch a Maddie docuseries on Netflix and suddenly have all the evidence, it seems.

:laugh: I know another case just like that.

[Vicky.]

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it? :laugh:

[AnnieK]

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

Any comment on them going out and leaving 3 babies unattended so they could eat and drink with their friends? Leaving those babies so some person could come in and abduct her? I lean towards her being abducted more than killed BUT I hold the parents to serious account for facilitating that.

[Marsh.]

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it? :laugh:

Yep. Another thread on here turned into a "If you don't believe the party line, shut up, I want the thread to not be bothered with it!"

[Marsh.]

Any comment on them going out and leaving 3 babies unattended so they could eat and drink with their friends? Leaving those babies so some person could come in and abduct her? I lean towards her being abducted more than killed BUT I hold the parents to serious account for facilitating that.

This.

No matter what happened to Maddie, they're responsible for it.

[Vicky.]

Yep. Another thread on here turned into a "If you don't believe the party line, shut up, I want the thread to not be bothered with it!"

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much :laugh: I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

[Jigs]

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it? :laugh:

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

[Vicky.]

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

So what I said, no point talking about the topic if you disagree with the abduction theory and anything you have to say on the matter should be directed at the police. Which is..daft to say the least.

[Marsh.]

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much :laugh: I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

Probably wise. :hehe:

[Marsh.]

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

It's a discussion.

It's like telling anyone who ever came to the forum for Big Brother they're in the wrong place, they need to go and give their opinions/theories to the housemates themselves.

Bizarre.

[Jigs]

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much :laugh: I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!! :)

I don't have any qualms with people disbelieving the abduction theory, I just disagree that we should be using public police files to incriminate the McCann parents as definitive perpetrators when those police files are not only in existence but very easily accessible and they still haven't amounted to any conclusion. Like ok yes we realise that the cadaver dogs barked in Madeleine's room but this was 12 years ago and the discussion regarding this entire investigation is still so open-ended that it's crazy to me anyone would think that this one piece of information is all that we need to pay attention to.

[Vicky.]

Also my main theory is drugged and covered up.

But I think there is a lot to the theory of 'woke and wandered' and was met with an accident tbh. Which is why it struck me as so odd the whole 'they have taken her' thing. I thought one of my kids had disappeared from my house not long back and immediately I panicked that they had got out of the house. I did not, at any stage think they had been abducted from my house. It would surely be one of the LAST things you would think of...especially given how often kids do diddle off somewhere.

The panic I had in those 10 mins was unbelievable..til I saw the little **** hiding under her bed with a huge grin :D

[chuff me dizzy]

What baffles me is if the police have all this information,why have they not been hauled into a court and questioned under oath ?

As I said in an earlier comment for some reason they are being protected, it started with Tony Blair after Gordon Brown asked him to intervene, then has been carried on since, THIS is the root of why they have never been charged with Maddies death ,and until the root reason has been uncovered the McCanns will continue to walk free

[Marsh.]

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!! :)

I don't have any qualms with people disbelieving the abduction theory, I just disagree that we should be using public police files to incriminate the McCann parents as definitive perpetrators when those police files are not only in existence but very easily accessible and they still haven't amounted to any conclusion. Like ok yes we realise that the cadaver dogs barked in Madeleine's room but this was 12 years ago and the discussion regarding this entire investigation is still so open-ended that it's crazy to me anyone would think that this one piece of information is all that we need to pay attention to.

Nobody's suggested it's the only piece of information to pay attention to. They use it, coupled with everything else, to come to a very possible conclusion. That's literally the point.

[Niamh.]

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

Oh I'm sorry for having an opinion on a topic in a Debate forum, how silly of me :facepalm:

Maybe they are innocent and maybe they're not but to say the fact that the PJ didn't have enough evidence to charge them means they're innocent is simply not correct.

[Vicky.]

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!! :)


Well, I think that was more the way it came across, than you thinking the dogs could be wrong :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Also my main theory is drugged and covered up.

But I think there is a lot to the theory of 'woke and wandered' and was met with an accident tbh. Which is why it struck me as so odd the whole 'they have taken her' thing. I thought one of my kids had disappeared from my house not long back and immediately I panicked that they had got out of the house. I did not, at any stage think they had been abducted from my house. It would surely be one of the LAST things you would think of...especially given how often kids do diddle off somewhere.

The panic I had in those 10 mins was unbelievable..til I saw the little **** hiding under her bed with a huge grin :D

Explain the cadaver on Kates clothing and the blood splatter that had been bleached away ( but forgot it could get in the grouting between the tiles) in 5a ...the hire car boot ?

[Marsh.]

Explain the cadaver on Kates clothing and the blood splatter that had been bleached away ( but forgot it could get in the grouting between the tiles) in 5a ...the hire car boot ?

Well that depends, was the blood Maddie's?

[Vicky.]

Explain the cadaver on Kates clothing and the blood splatter that had been bleached away ( but forgot it could get in the grouting between the tiles) in 5a ...the hire car boot ?

Well yes, I know.

The 'I came into contact with a bunch of corpses at my job as a GP the week before going on holiday' just does not strike me as plausible tbh. Same as 'the dogs alerted to seabass and the dirty nappies we were collecting in a bag in the back of the car, but ignoring that, police digs are notoriously unreliable anyway so ner ner' :umm2:

Its only in moments where I try to exonerate the parents tin my head that I favour woke and wandered. I know it makes no sense really given the rest of the evidence. I just..cannot really get past the dogs. That does not mean its only the dogs, but a culmination of many different things which says to me that they (or at least one of them) were involved.

[Jigs]

Oh I'm sorry for having an opinion on a topic in a Debate forum, how silly of me :facepalm:

LMFAOOOOOOO yeah we get it. Thanks! Anyone else wanna echo these same sentiments while we're at it?~

Maybe they are innocent and maybe they're not but to say the fact that the PJ didn't have enough evidence to charge them means they're innocent is simply not correct.

well yeah because when someone gets convicted for a crime we all believe the police are doing what they're supposed to be doing: gathering conclusive evidence and acting accordingly. Why, if a rapist is jailed for his actions do we have faith in the police but when the McCanns continue to walk free 12 years after the Madeleine crime we lose that faith? You can't have it both ways. Like I said the McCanns have been at the center of this entire investigation for the whole case so I think if anything concrete was to be found the police would have acted on it by now, especially considering they've become pariahs of society through all the speculation.

[Marsh.]

Well yes, I know.

The 'I came into contact with a bunch of corpses at my job as a GP the week before going on holiday' just does not strike me as plausible tbh. Same as 'the dogs alerted to seabass and the dirty nappies we were collecting in a bag in the back of the car, but ignoring that, police digs are notoriously unreliable anyway so ner ner' :umm2:

Its only in moments where I try to exonerate the parents tin my head that I favour woke and wandered. I know it makes no sense really given the rest of the evidence. I just..cannot really get past the dogs. That does not mean its only the dogs, but a culmination of many different things which says to me that they (or at least one of them) were involved.

See the wandering theory, I always think there MUST be more witness sightings if that had happened.

[Niamh.]

LMFAOOOOOOO yeah we get it. Thanks! Anyone else wanna echo these same sentiments while we're at it?~



well yeah because when someone gets convicted for a crime we all believe the police are doing what they're supposed to be doing: gathering conclusive evidence and acting accordingly. Why, if a rapist is jailed for his actions do we have faith in the police but when the McCanns continue to walk free 12 years after the Madeleine crime we lose that faith? You can't have it both ways. Like I said the McCanns have been at the center of this entire investigation for the whole case so I think if anything concrete was to be found the police would have acted on it by now, especially considering they've become pariahs of society through all the speculation.

Oj is innocent too I suppose? :think: "I Can't have it both ways" so I have to believe that either the Police are always right or else they are never right? :think:

[Niamh.]

LMFAOOOOOOO yeah we get it. Thanks! Anyone else wanna echo these same sentiments while we're at it?~





Do we? Great news

[Marsh.]

LMFAOOOOOOO yeah we get it. Thanks! Anyone else wanna echo these same sentiments while we're at it?~



well yeah because when someone gets convicted for a crime we all believe the police are doing what they're supposed to be doing: gathering conclusive evidence and acting accordingly. Why, if a rapist is jailed for his actions do we have faith in the police but when the McCanns continue to walk free 12 years after the Madeleine crime we lose that faith? You can't have it both ways. Like I said the McCanns have been at the center of this entire investigation for the whole case so I think if anything concrete was to be found the police would have acted on it by now, especially considering they've become pariahs of society through all the speculation.

That's two different things though.

Someone who is found guilty in a court of law and jailed, there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict them. Someone walking free with a "not guilty" verdict isn't "proven innocent" and a lot of cases won't make it to court, not because someone is innocent but because there is insufficient evidence to prove they did it. Surely, you know the difference?

[user104658]

Someone walking free with a "not guilty" verdict isn't "proven innocent" and a lot of cases won't make it to court, not because someone is innocent but because there is insufficient evidence to prove they did it. Surely, you know the difference?

But it mostly especially usually means that their accuser was greedy.

[Marsh.]

But it mostly especially usually means that their accuser was greedy.

Not really. :shrug:

[Vicky.]

See the wandering theory, I always think there MUST be more witness sightings if that had happened.

Another good point.

I think woke and wandered makes a lot more sense than random abductor (or burglar, still cannot believe Grange went with that.. :rolleyes: ) though, given the many other variables in this.

[chuff me dizzy]

For Annie regarding Tanners daughter and Maddie

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2218647058157918&set=p.2218647058157918&type=3&theater

[GoldHeart]

The strange blown up photo they used for the "madeline is missing campaign" is a odd one and her eye looks like it has a popped blood vessel, that leads me to think it wasn't the first time they possibly drugged her.

But this time it went wrong and Madeline either banged her head or it was an over dose .

[chuff me dizzy]

The strange blown up photo they used for the "madeline is missing campaign" is a odd one and her eye looks like it has a popped blood vessel, that leads me to think it wasn't the first time they possibly drugged her.

But this time it went wrong and Madeline either banged her head or it was an over dose .

If you look through a lot of photos you cannot see the flaw in her eye in some of them ?

[Marsh.]

Oh come on. Her dodgy pupil was not because she was high. :joker:

[GoldHeart]

Oh come on. Her dodgy pupil was not because she was high. :joker:

How do we know , but i find it weird that they use that photo of her close up where she looks surprised . It's like they literally ran up to her and took the photo.

[chuff me dizzy]

How do we know , but i find it weird that they use that photo of her close up where she looks surprised . It's like they literally ran up to her and took the photo.

Have you seen the video of her in the Snow White dress? she's scared of the person who's making the video ,it sends shivers down my spine

[chuff me dizzy]

How do we know , but i find it weird that they use that photo of her close up where she looks surprised . It's like they literally ran up to her and took the photo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaNMPZJ1jw

[Marsh.]

How do we know , but i find it weird that they use that photo of her close up where she looks surprised . It's like they literally ran up to her and took the photo.

So what exactly are you saying?

They staged a photoshoot knowing what was going to happen?

Or zoomed into a picture that displays the pupil?

[Kazanne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WaNMPZJ1jw

We are told on the MJ thread that the youtube videos are less that reliable Chuff so I take it, it means the same on here, TS will tell you how useless YouTube videos are :wavey: personally I think some of them are very revealing.

[chuff me dizzy]

We are told on the MJ thread that the youtube videos are less that reliable Chuff so I take it, it means the same on here, TS will tell you how useless YouTube videos are :wavey: personally I think some of them are very revealing.

If you doubt anything Ive commented on ,read the police files I posted as it will be covered in there and all case facts, nothing on MJ can be proven as facts ,its all our opinions xxxxx

[GoldHeart]

So what exactly are you saying?

They staged a photoshoot knowing what was going to happen?

Or zoomed into a picture that displays the pupil?

No I don't think they "staged" a photo , but I think it says a lot about them as people & parents that they used a photo where Madeleine doesn't particularly look happy ,. Plus followed with they're other weird behaviour . But I think it was orchestrated when they released a photo of Madeleine with tennis balls in her hand,so it can match with their story of her playing tennis at a certain time & day .

[user104658]

We are told on the MJ thread that the youtube videos are less that reliable Chuff so I take it, it means the same on here, TS will tell you how useless YouTube videos are :wavey: personally I think some of them are very revealing.

Many YouTube videos are useless and pointless yes and I'd have t say this is one of them; she doesn't look "terrified" at all :think:. It's just a random video of a child doing nothing.

[GoldHeart]

Many YouTube videos are useless and pointless yes and I'd have t say this is one of them; she doesn't look "terrified" at all :think:. It's just a random video of a child doing nothing.

FALSE !
Many of the videos posted in the MJ thread was useFUL and they got ignored .
I understand some will be based on emotions & biased but that's not the case for all of them.

Plus people talk about Neverland being raided & searched top to bottom by 70 sherrifs & police ,pretty sure that's FACTUAL but whatever :idc: .

[BBUK-Fan]

Don’t mean to relate to fiction but in the tv show The Missing, the boy wandered off and was hit by a car. The driver thought he was dead so put body in his car and drove off.
Is it possible that could’ve happened to her?

[GoldHeart]

Don’t mean to relate to fiction but in the tv show The Missing, the boy wandered off and was hit by a car. The driver thought he was dead so put body in his car and drove off.
Is it possible that could’ve happened to her?

I doubt it

[Niamh.]

Can we keep the MJ stuff in its own thread please?

[Marsh.]

No I don't think they "staged" a photo , but I think it says a lot about them as people & parents that they used a photo where Madeleine doesn't particularly look happy ,. Plus followed with they're other weird behaviour . But I think it was orchestrated when they released a photo of Madeleine with tennis balls in her hand,so it can match with their story of her playing tennis at a certain time & day .

Isn't that because the purpose of the image you're referring to was one which perfectly displays her eye, a distinguishing feature. The purpose wasn't to find one with her smiling/posing just right.

[thesheriff443]

Ok, so the mcaaans were found innocent of having any involvement in what ever happened to maddie.

The dna/ blood that was found in the apartment and in the hire car was tested and found to inconsistent/ could not be matched to maddie.

Lots of people were allowed to enter the crime scene.

Now a top ferensice lab in America says testing has moved on and if the had the samples they could get a result.

[GoldHeart]

Isn't that because the purpose of the image you're referring to was one which perfectly displays her eye, a distinguishing feature. The purpose wasn't to find one with her smiling/posing just right.

Yet later on they said Madeleine played Tennis at some point , and they released a happier photo of her with tennis balls .

I just don't trust the parents , even when they're being interviewed they come across stuck up & dismissive .

[Withano]

Shes for sure dead and they both know it

[GoldHeart]

Shes for sure dead and they both know it

There's just so much suspicion surrounding the parents .

Plus as I've said & many others who in their right mind leaves their small infant child & babies ALONE in an apartment on holiday :crazy: , alarm bells were there from the beginning .

Even if the kids were 9 & 11 it would still seem a bit strange leaving them unsupervised , but at those ages they at least can look after themselves more than small infants aged between 1 - 3 years old :facepalm: .

[Marsh.]

Yet later on they said Madeleine played Tennis at some point , and they released a happier photo of her with tennis balls .

I just don't trust the parents , even when they're being interviewed they come across stuck up & dismissive .

That's not the point though. They released a number of photos and home videos of Maddie.

Just the one you refer to was specifically selected because you could see the distinguishing feature of her eye, not because of how much she was or wasn't smiling.

[Marsh.]

Ok, so the mcaaans were found innocent of having any involvement in what ever happened to maddie.

False.

[arista]

Today 20/4/23

Germany has refused a Possible Rape Trail
for prisoner Christian B

[Suspect in Madeleine McCann disappearance
dropped by German court]


https://news.sky.com/story/sexual-offence-charges-against-prime-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-dropped-by-german-court-12861809

[Alf]

It's like the death of Jill Dando, the murder of Kennedy, the Hunter Biden laptop or the attendees to Epstein Island. It's a cover up.

[GoldHeart]

Today 20/4/23

Germany has refused a Possible Rape Trail
for prisoner Christian B

[Suspect in Madeleine McCann disappearance
dropped by German court]


https://news.sky.com/story/sexual-offence-charges-against-prime-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-disappearance-dropped-by-german-court-12861809

That German guy never had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its the McCanns i feel sorry for when news about the mysterious case arises

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTBmNTI1YWYtMmQ2ZS00ZDVlLWE0YWUtNWU4ZTk2MDAwOG VkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjUxMjc1OTM@._V1_.jpg

[Liam-]

Parents drugged their kids multiple nights in a row so they could go out and get drunk with their friends, Maddie woke up, hit her head and died, parents came home off the piss, found her, buried her, then spent 10+ years pretending to be sick with worry about a kid they know is dead.

imo.

[GoldHeart]

Its the McCanns i feel sorry for when news about the mysterious case arises

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNTBmNTI1YWYtMmQ2ZS00ZDVlLWE0YWUtNWU4ZTk2MDAwOG VkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjUxMjc1OTM@._V1_.jpg

Not that picture again

[Alf]

Parents drugged their kids multiple nights in a row so they could go out and get drunk with their friends, Maddie woke up, hit her head and died, parents came home off the piss, found her, buried her, then spent 10+ years pretending to be sick with worry about a kid they know is dead.

imo.As conspiracy theories go, that's quite a boring one. I've seen much more interesting ones that involve powerful people, including the now prisoner Ghislaine Maxwell.

[arista]

That German guy never had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance.


OK
well then it makes sense

[Alf]

Just found this video. I haven't watched it yet so I don't know if it's interesting or not, but I'm gonna give it a watch to see what's in it.

I believe it's about covering some of the theories that have been out there.


-LUJSqUnq4E

[Alf]

Yeah, the video didn't tell me anything I haven't heard before. She just basically says what's already known out there. I'm surprised her video is still up and YouTube didn't take it down.

[joeysteele]

I was completely at a loss to try to work out what happened here.

I didn't want to think the parents did anything although I could never understand why in another Country too.
They'd BOTH leave such small children alone and NOT engage child minding services.
Extremely negligent that in itself was.

On another thread on this years ago, chuf me dizzy engaged with me with everything she'd read, acquired and came to be as sure as anyone could be of the parents guilt/involvement.
I became convinced by chuff me dizzy that her research and view was correct.

I do now think the parents know far more than they've ever revealed.
So I still now think as chuff convinced me those years ago.

[GoldHeart]

I was completely at a loss to try to work out what happened here.

I didn't want to think the parents did anything although I could never understand why in another Country too.
They'd BOTH leave such small children alone and NOT engage child minding services.
Extremely negligent that in itself was.

On another thread on this years ago, chuf me dizzy engaged with me with everything she'd read, acquired and came to be as sure as anyone could be of the parents guilt/involvement.
I became convinced by chuff me dizzy that her research and view was correct.

I do now think the parents know far more than they've ever revealed.
So I still now think as chuff convinced me those years ago.

Joey ...I've said from day 1 that I don't trust the parents. It's bad enough leaving kids alone in general , but ones as young as theirs at the time..... screams negligence and bad parenting overall. Why take your kids on holiday if you're just going to leave them alone in a holiday apartment . Selfish really.

I still think they're responsible for Madeline's disappearance.

[Mystic Mock]

My theory is that one of the parents is hiding what happened to Madeleine from the other.

And my guess is whoever was the last one to have gone back into that room between the two of them on that night, which if I'm not mistaken was the Dad?

Obviously I'm just speculating.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My theory is that one of the parents is hiding what happened to Madeleine from the other.

And my guess is whoever was the last one to have gone back into that room between the two of them on that night, which if I'm not mistaken was the Dad?

Obviously I'm just speculating.

lol

and he did what with the body?

magic it away with a spell?

get a grip Mock

[GoldHeart]

My theory is that one of the parents is hiding what happened to Madeleine from the other.

And my guess is whoever was the last one to have gone back into that room between the two of them on that night, which if I'm not mistaken was the Dad?

Obviously I'm just speculating.

I think they both know what happened.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think they both know what happened.

again

absolute bonkers nonsense

:skull:

[joeysteele]

My theory is that one of the parents is hiding what happened to Madeleine from the other.

And my guess is whoever was the last one to have gone back into that room between the two of them on that night, which if I'm not mistaken was the Dad?

Obviously I'm just speculating.

One or both.

They are both intelligent and career medical individuals.
They're not fools.

I agree with you one or both ARE hiding a lot from the authorities.
Just constantly too when needing to, at times clouding the issues further.

All anyone can do however is speculate Mock.
As I said it was chuff who as much as possible, convinced me they knew far more than they've ever revealed.

Really tragic whatever the real outcome was.

[Mystic Mock]

lol

and he did what with the body?

magic it away with a spell?

get a grip Mock

I did hear that he had a Magic Wand that night.

But in interviews on TV he seemed more calm to me than the Mother who looked distraught.

As I've said it's just speculation, my theory could very easily be wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I did hear that he had a Magic Wand that night.

But in interviews on TV he seemed more calm to me than the Mother who looked distraught.

As I've said it's just speculation, my theory could very easily be wrong.

its not a theory and it is wrong

[Mystic Mock]

again

absolute bonkers nonsense

:skull:

What do you think happened?

[Mystic Mock]

its not a theory and it is wrong

Well it is a theory, and it isn't factually wrong either.

Unless you've got evidence to suggest otherwise?

[Mystic Mock]

One or both.

They are both intelligent and career medical individuals.
They're not fools.

I agree with you one or both ARE hiding a lot from the authorities.
Just constantly too when needing to, at times clouding the issues further.

All anyone can do however is speculate Mock.
As I said it was chuff who as much as possible, convinced me they knew far more than they've ever revealed.

Really tragic whatever the real outcome was.

The thing is if they're both innocent then they've made themselves appear a lot more suspicious which would be a shame as the real culprit would be getting away with being detected.

And what did Chuff Me Dizzy say about the whole thing at the time?

[Liam-]

The blood they found in the back of their rental car would suggest she was driven out somewhere to be disposed of, there’s a reason the Portuguese detective was adamant that the pair of them were involved, but of course our lot stuck their noses in and bungled the entire thing, then made the two charlatans public figures of grief

[Mystic Mock]

The blood they found in the back of their rental car would suggest she was driven out somewhere to be disposed of, there’s a reason the Portuguese detective was adamant that the pair of them were involved, but of course our lot stuck their noses in and bungled the entire thing, then made the two charlatans public figures of grief

It makes sense why the Police would think that.

Because my theory is that Madeleine banged her head while the parents were out for their meal, and one of them came back to find her dead body. And the rental car has been used to help dispose of her body.

It's not the most original theory, but it makes sense.

[Niamh.]

The blood they found in the back of their rental car would suggest she was driven out somewhere to be disposed of, there’s a reason the Portuguese detective was adamant that the pair of them were involved, but of course our lot stuck their noses in and bungled the entire thing, then made the two charlatans public figures of griefAgree with that.

[joeysteele]

The thing is if they're both innocent then they've made themselves appear a lot more suspicious which would be a shame as the real culprit would be getting away with being detected.

And what did Chuff Me Dizzy say about the whole thing at the time?

Chuff blamed them both for what she believed was repeated lying and deceit and that they were responsible wholly for her loss.
She listed loads of the questioning the parents went through and how evasive they were.
Why would parents losing a child like that even want to begin to be evasive and NOT answer questions put to them.

I was far more persuaded by all of chuffs posting and all she listed than from any other sources.

[bots]

ive thought that the parents were guilty from the first week of it happening and i've never changed my stance since

[Mystic Mock]

Chuff blamed them both for what she believed was repeated lying and deceit and that they were responsible wholly for her loss.
She listed loads of the questioning the parents went through and how evasive they were.
Why would parents losing a child like that even want to begin to be evasive and NOT answer questions put to them.

I was far more persuaded by all of chuffs posting and all she listed than from any other sources.

That is interesting.

Shouldn't the parents want to fully cooperate in cases like this? Because they're not helping themselves if they are innocent by being so evasive.

[GoldHeart]

That is interesting.

Shouldn't the parents want to fully cooperate in cases like this? Because they're not helping themselves if they are innocent by being so evasive.

Exactly

[Alf]

Agree with that.What's your opinion on the theory of the known paedophile, Clement Freud who had a villa close by and it's said that the McCann parents spent time in his villa afterwards? There's the story that he loaned his villa to the Podesta brothers and there is a photo fit of two men that look identical to the Podesta brothers.

I don't know just how true all that information is but the fact that it's such a cover up does make me suspect that people in positions of high power could well be involved.

[bots]

What's your opinion on the theory of the known paedophile, Clement Freud who had a villa close by and it's said that the McCann parents spent time in his villa afterwards? There's the story that he loaned his villa to the Podesta brothers and there is a photo fit of two men that look identical to the Podesta brothers.

I don't know just how true all that information is but the fact that it's such a cover up does make me suspect that people in positions of high power could well be involved.

Gordon Brown and Tony Blair both jumped in to protect the parents

[Alf]

Clement Freud for those who don't know was a former MP.

[Alf]

If the McCann parents where the guilty party in murdering their child then why wouldn't they have been found out yet? and why would people be covering up for them?

[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12110919/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-search-Algarve-reservoir-suspect-Brueckner-used-visit.html

Madeleine McCann detectives will use diggers and divers to launch a major search of Portuguese reservoir that was often visited by their number one suspect Christian Brueckner.

[Niamh.]

What's your opinion on the theory of the known paedophile, Clement Freud who had a villa close by and it's said that the McCann parents spent time in his villa afterwards? There's the story that he loaned his villa to the Podesta brothers and there is a photo fit of two men that look identical to the Podesta brothers.

I don't know just how true all that information is but the fact that it's such a cover up does make me suspect that people in positions of high power could well be involved.

Well, have you read this statement made to the Police by the wife of one of Gerry McCanns ex colleagues/friends who went on a previous holiday with them in that group? I can't imagine why this woman would make this up

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Gaspar.htm

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12110919/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-search-Algarve-reservoir-suspect-Brueckner-used-visit.html

Madeleine McCann detectives will use diggers and divers to launch a major search of Portuguese reservoir that was often visited by their number one suspect Christian Brueckner.


Looking for a Skeleton

[Zizu]

If the McCann parents where the guilty party in murdering their child then why wouldn't they have been found out yet? and why would people be covering up for them?


I agree. . The whole circus surrounding this tragedy is preposterous .

These poor people have been through pure hell every moment since she went missing and rather than getting the sympathy and understanding they deserved - they have had to endure years and years of sickening accusations


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[Vanessa]

I think she's dead, sadly. :bawling:

[Zizu]

I think she's dead, sadly. :bawling:


I like to think she’s found happiness with another family


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[Redway]

Kids were drugged, Maddie overdosed. Parents got rid of the body and got away with murder and neglect.

Erm.

[UserSince2005]

I know a certain pair are very nervous this evening

[rusticgal]

I don’t know what to believe….their behaviour was very questionable. I do believe they drugged her and it’s obvious their neglect and selfishness led to her demise…but I cannot get around the fact they disposed of her body and it’s never been found considering they had little time to do it and no time to plan…:shrug:

[Zizu]

I don’t know what to believe….their behaviour was very questionable. I do believe they drugged her and it’s obvious their neglect and selfishness led to her demise…but I cannot get around the FACT they disposed of her body and it’s never been found considering they had little time to do it and no time to plan…:shrug:


Errr it’s not a fact though … just pure fiction I’d suggest ..

Thousands of young children go missing on holidays and I’m sure that area of Portugal was a particularly bad area .. at that time so why on Earth so many people thought the McCanns were involved I’ll never know .

I’ve seen many reports that the police were totally incompetent…


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[arista]

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[Gusto Brunt]

I think Gerry McCann lost his temper, slapped Maddie hard and she hit her head against the wall and died.

Gerry being the psychopath he is, dumped the body under those foundations where a big block of flats were being built.

Kate kept quiet because she feared for her two other children's lives as well as her own life.

[Kazanne]

All I want to know is why other missing children are not afforded this much media attention ?

[Niamh.]

All Iwant to know is why other missing children are not afforded this much media attention ?

It's odd for sure.

[bots]

Neglected children seem always to be in the news, but in those cases, the parents etc have usually ended up in jail

[Niamh.]

Neglected children seem always to be in the news, but in those cases, the parents etc have usually ended up in jail

indeed.........

[Cherie]

Police have had some sort of tip of with regard to the reservoir, it was search previously though

[arista]

Police have had some sort of tip of with regard to the reservoir, it was search previously though


Not with this Big International team


Will they find a child skeleton
with bricks around it?

[arista]

All Iwant to know is why other missing children are not afforded this much media attention ?

Yes that is wrong and sad.

[GoldHeart]

I don't think they'll find anything in that reservoir, and I still don't think that German has anything to do with it. By all means throw the key away as he's still a dangerous predator. But I don't think he had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance.

[Gusto Brunt]

I don't think they'll find anything in that reservoir, and I still don't think that German has anything to do with it. By all means throw the key away as he's still a dangerous predator. But I don't think he had anything to do with Madeline's disappearance.

I agree. It's a diversion from the real killer.

[Gusto Brunt]

Search over. As I predicted, nothing. Another waste of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MND67JyHXIU