IT: Chapter Two (Sept '19)

[LaLaLand]

The trailer for this is dropping any day now so I thought it'd be good to make a thread seeing as this is undoubtedly going to be as big a hit as Chapter One.

"Twenty-seven years after the events of the summer of 1989, IT returns.
The Losers' Club fulfill their promises and return to Derry to put an end to the evil being once and for all.
Unbeknownst to them, It has returned, stronger and crueler than ever."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/ItChapterTwoTeaser.jpg

Cast:

1. Bill Skarsgård as IT/"Pennywise the Dancing Clown"
2. James McAvoy as Bill Denbrough - Jaeden Martell as Young Bill
3. Jessica Chastain as Beverly Marsh - Sophia Lillis as Young Beverly
4. Jay Ryan as Ben Hanscom - Jeremy Ray Taylor as Young Ben
5. Bill Hader as Richie Tozier - Finn Wolfhard as Young Richie
6. Isaiah Mustafa as Mike Hanlon - Chosen Jacobs as Young Mike
7. James Ransone as Eddie Kaspbrak - Jack Dylan Grazer as Young Eddie
8. Andy Bean as Stan Uris - Wyatt Oleff as Young Stan
9. Teach Grant as Henry Bowers
10. Jess Weixler as Audra Phillips
11. Will Beinbrink as Tom Rogan
12. Xavier Dolan as Adrian Mellon
13. Jake Weary as John "Webby" Garton
14. Javier Botet as TBA (reportedly a new form of IT)

Good to see the young Losers Club returning for new scenes in Chapter Two. Great castings for the "grown up" Losers too. :clap2:

[LaLaLand]

Fan-made this but it just shows the good casting in terms of appearance for the Losers:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/6f0fc18ff2f4644973d396e0cafb80db/tumblr_ph2k9othnB1vw45o8o1_400.jpg

[JerseyWins]

I'm here for watching an IT 2 but not thrilled for it.

For some reason I feel like it could be even worse with adult characters :laugh:

[LaLaLand]

I have a feeling it'll be much more "gory" than the first, just because it's all adults involved now.

Apparently the trailer includes the new take on the scene where Beverly returns to her childhood home and encounters "the old lady" :skull:.

The scene in the "original [TV] movie":

T1PbbofT1Hg

[Amy Jade]

I hope it is good as the 1st was fantastic. My only worry of the cast is Bill Hader I can't bare him

[Oliver_W]

Pumped!

[Tony Montana]

Perched as **** for this :dance::cheer2:

[Tony Montana]

I hope it is good as the 1st was fantastic. My only worry of the cast is Bill Hader I can't bare him

I can't stand Hader too, but I think he could pull off Richie.

[montblanc]

really excited for this as i really enjoyed the first one

didn't know they were gonna be adults though :suspect:

[Tony Montana]

really excited for this as i really enjoyed the first one

didn't know they were gonna be adults though :suspect:

It happens in the book and the original tv series too unfortunately.

I would've preferred it if they just focused on the kids too tbh. They were fantastic.

[Tony Montana]

Fan-made this but it just shows the good casting in terms of appearance for the Losers:

https://66.media.tumblr.com/6f0fc18ff2f4644973d396e0cafb80db/tumblr_ph2k9othnB1vw45o8o1_400.jpg

That is amazing:love: :clap2:

[user104658]

James McAvoy is everywhere these days innit.

[Tony Montana]

James McAvoy is everywhere these days innit.

He’s a great actor

[JerseyWins]

Why did so many people like the first one so much? It was alright but not for how much hype it had around it :shrug: Pretty disappointing for me

[JerseyWins]

James McAvoy is everywhere these days innit.
Great actor though :clap1: Promising for this alone

[Tony Montana]

First trailer was released at CinemaCon and apparently it was ''terrifying''

Warner Bros. unveiled the first footage for the movie at CinemaCon. The footage began with an extended scene featuring Chastain’s Beverly ringing the doorbell to her old apartment. An older lady answers the door and informs Bev that her father is dead. Inside the apartment, Bev receives a poem postcard as the older woman begins to act strangely and sweat. “You know what they say about Derry?” the woman asks Bev. “No one who dies here really dies.” The lady reveals a scar on her chest and appears naked in the kitchen. The lady runs at Bev as the trailer cuts away to a montage of the other characters, Pennywise floating with balloons, and a final shot of Pennywise popping out to say “hello” to a young kid.

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/it-chapter-two-trailer-pennywise-jessica-chastain-1202055262/

[Oliver_W]

Inside the apartment, Bev receives a poem postcard as the older woman begins to act strangely and sweat. “You know what they say about Derry?” the woman asks Bev. “No one who dies here really dies.” The lady reveals a scar on her chest and appears naked in the kitchen. The lady runs at Bev as the trailer cuts away to a montage of the other characters
Sounds ****. You just know the running will be accompanied by a "scary" music cue. Don't the filmmakers understand what made the scene so effective in the book and miniseries - Bev slowly realising something wasn't quite right was creepy and unsettling. Making so blatant is just ... wrong

[Jake.]

Sounds ****. You just know the running will be accompanied by a "scary" music cue. Don't the filmmakers understand what made the scene so effective in the book and miniseries - Bev slowly realising something wasn't quite right was creepy and unsettling. Making so blatant is just ... wrong

I mean, it’s part of the trailer? The scene itself in the film could last for about 5 minutes for all we know.

[user104658]

Sounds ****. You just know the running will be accompanied by a "scary" music cue. Don't the filmmakers understand what made the scene so effective in the book and miniseries - Bev slowly realising something wasn't quite right was creepy and unsettling. Making so blatant is just ... wrongDescribes everything that was wrong with the first film. They abandonned the building tension and dread in favour of jumpscares. Boring.

[Oliver_W]

Describes everything that was wrong with the first film. They abandonned the building tension and dread in favour of jumpscares. Boring.

Yup. To be fair, in the book there was a "spooky house" bit, but they
went there to kill the werewolf. They succeeded, and It couldn't take that form anymore, and the house lost its spookiness because It couldn't go there

It was more jumpy and actiony rather than being creepy, and would have worked fine in a Modern Horror Movie(tm) as it was.

[andybigbro]

I am looking forward to this :D

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Sounds ****. You just know the running will be accompanied by a "scary" music cue. Don't the filmmakers understand what made the scene so effective in the book and miniseries - Bev slowly realising something wasn't quite right was creepy and unsettling. Making so blatant is just ... wrong

I have to agree with this. I really hope the whole movie isn't just jump scares like the first. I did enjoy the first movie but it was missing that sense of tension and dread that made the tv series so good.

[LaLaLand]

All I know is, NOTHING will top the projector scene from Chapter One in terms of sheer audience terror.

Every single person in that cinema absolutely shat themselves, me included :laugh2:

[Tony Montana]

All I know is, NOTHING will top the projector scene from Chapter One in terms of sheer audience terror.

Every single person in that cinema absolutely shat themselves, me included :laugh2:

That was absolutely terrifying.

Same. Everyone screamed during that scene.

w7xza4oYsbY

[LaLaLand]

Trailer is dropping Thursday.

[Tony Montana]

Thought the trailer had dropped, you got me excited LaLaLand.

Looking forward to it. :cheer2:

[LaLaLand]

:joker: Sorry man! It was revealed on a billboard:

1125406215247237120
1125425606219509761

[Tony Montana]

No worries pal.

I’m so excited, hope it’s not a disappointment.

[Tony Montana]

Trailer has arrived! It looks magnificent!

1126517368983891969

[Jake.]

It looks bloody terrifying

The part with Beverly and the woman in her house was one of the most frightening parts of the book, looks like they’ve done it justice

[Wizard.]

Okay but I did scream @ the naked granny looks kind of comical a la Scary Movie don't @ me

[Amy Jade]

It looks bloody terrifying

The part with Beverly and the woman in her house was one of the most frightening parts of the book, looks like they’ve done it justice

I thought the same!

Trailer looks amazing so far!

[Barry.]

Gave me Goosebumps.

[Tony Montana]

It looks bloody terrifying

The part with Beverly and the woman in her house was one of the most frightening parts of the book, looks like they’ve done it justice

That scene is definitely gonna get the audience going.

I can’t wait for this film.

[Tony Montana]

Gave me Goosebumps.

Same.

[LaLaLand]

UGH it looks disgustingly amazing I can't wait!

[LaLaLand]

Official poster:

https://i.redd.it/iufd28m1i7x21.jpg

[LaLaLand]

The Losers Club all grown up, HQ:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjE4ODExNTc1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzk5MjgwODM@.j pg

[Tony Montana]

Official poster:

https://i.redd.it/iufd28m1i7x21.jpg

Amazing! It's giving me chills.

[Tony Montana]

I wonder how much screen time the younger actors will get.

[Tony Montana]

Entertainment Weekly covers and some new pics.

1148985371608453120 11489985305996615681149037348966952960114900416368 84234251149033565289512960

[LaLaLand]

IT 2 will be released September 6. New trailer dropping tomorrow!

p/B0BhbqXldcF

[Tony Montana]

Final trailer's here! It's bloody amazing!!!!

xhJ5P7Up3jA

[Oliver_W]

Yeah it looks quite good. Probably won't bear much resemblance to the book, but whatevs.

I guess the man at the beginning was Adrian Mellon?

[Amy Jade]

Looks amazing!

[LaLaLand]

Looks much better than the first and I LOVED the first so I’m excited!

Genuinely unsettling this. Love how they’ve totally ramped up the clown fear factor by having scenes at a real funfair/carnival!

[Glenn.]

It looks so good

[Tom4784]

It looks amazing, the first film wasn't a close adaption of the book but I thought the changes they made were excellent and I've got faith they'll knock this one out of the park.

The creative team should tackle other Stephen King properties, hopefully Salem's Lot.

[LukeB]

This is out soon :amazed:

Cinema by me are showing IT chapter one and two back to back and i might just go and watch both.

[Barry.]

Want to see it but need to see part one first.

[Tony Montana]

This is out soon :amazed:

Cinema by me are showing IT chapter one and two back to back and i might just go and watch both.

Lucky you. I'd deffo do that.

[Tony Montana]

Want to see it but need to see part one first.

Watch it Barry, it's amazing.

[LukeB]

Just a week to go! i'm really looking forward to it.

I'm seeing chapter 1 and 2 on thursday.

[Tom4784]

I've heard mixed things about it so far but hopefully it's down to the fact that the adult sections of the story have always been the less compelling half.

[JerseyWins]

My friend already has the tickets, watching this September 10th (cheap price on Tuesdays is the only reason why not on opening weekend :fan:).

I wasn't even a huge fan of the It remake but I'm hopeful for this one!

[Tony Montana]

I've heard mixed things about it so far but hopefully it's down to the fact that the adult sections of the story have always been the less compelling half.

Yeah, I could see the second half with the adults dragging the film down a bit. Hope I'm wrong though.

[Tony Montana]

My friend already has the tickets, watching this September 10th (cheap price on Tuesdays is the only reason why not on opening weekend :fan:).

I wasn't even a huge fan of the It remake but I'm hopeful for this one!

Remake was brilliant. One of the best Stephen King adaptions.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Seen last night; not to bad, was a tad long for my liking. It was still good though and plenty of scares, only downfall is again they showed most of the good stuff in the trailer. But it’s very funny, emotional and quite scary (although honestly I didn’t find any that scare out of seat moments)

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it

[Wizard.]

Really looking forward to this! I haven't finished the book but I don't mind.

I think I'll rewatch Chapter 1 tomorrow night before seeing this on Sunday.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

It’s just under 3 hours long :skull:

[LukeB]

It’s just under 3 hours long :skull:

I watched it last night and tbh to me it didn’t feel that long.

[Kazanne]

Im going to see this soon,I heard it is 2 hours 45 mins long so it better be good.

[Tom4784]

I'm seeing it on Tuesday, I've heard mixed things but I'm excited for it. Gonna have some friends I'm going with come around at some point this weekend to rewatch Chapter 1.

[Tony Montana]

Watched this last night as part of a double bill with the first one and I loved it! Amazing from start to finish. Much better than chapter 1 which was already a fantastic film and very hard to beat.

I was very sceptical about chapter 2 as it would focus on the Losers when they're older. I really loved the child performances in part 1 so I had strong doubts that the adult actors could match them, but boy, how wrong was I. The adult actors did a phenomenal job, equally matching (and in Bill Hader's case surpassing) their child counterparts. It also helps that they all looked like the kids. Adult actors nowadays rarely look like the child actors they play in films.

I was shocked by Stan's suicide early in the film. I never read the book or watched the original TV series, so I was not expecting that. I do wish he hadn't killed himself. His and especially Eddie's deaths were heartbreaking. The Loser's weren't complete without them two.

Bill Skarsgard was astonishing, much better than his first appearance and way, way creepier, sinister and evil. He really should be nominated for an Oscar.

The ending was sweet, although I would've preferred if Bill and Beverly got together rather than her and Ben. I like Ben but she had a much better chemistry with Bill.

Overall, I give this 9.5/10. Gonna watch this again next week.

[Tony Montana]

I watched it last night and tbh to me it didn’t feel that long.

Same.

[Tony Montana]

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it

I think it's possible. When he was playing that arcade game with the bully's cousin, he was looking at him in a romantic way.

[LukeB]

I watched this last night (as well as chapter one) and i really enjoyed it tbh. It is a long movie but watching it, it didn't feel like it was on for that long. I thought the adults were great tbh, i'm not much of a fan of James McAvoy but he was good in the movie but the best loser was Bill Hader as Ritchie followed by Jessica Chastain as Beverly. Bill Skarsgård is fantastic as well.

I didn't read the book so i was shocked Stanley killed himself and Eddie got killed. it was so sad :(

I probably give this a 8/10

[Wizard.]

Seen last night; not to bad, was a tad long for my liking. It was still good though and plenty of scares, only downfall is again they showed most of the good stuff in the trailer. But it’s very funny, emotional and quite scary (although honestly I didn’t find any that scare out of seat moments)

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it

Yeah it's pretty obvious lol. He even carved E(ddie) + R(ichie) into the wooden fence.

Just watched this and I did enjoy it. There are a few pacing issues and some weird editing where it just cuts from one scene to another, but apart from that I enjoyed it. Of course the first one couldn't be topped though.

My heart was breaking when Ben was getting buried alive trying to tell Beverly that it was him who wrote the poem </3 they're meant to be!

I love how you always go into Stephen King for the horror but come out being in love with the characters and human nature of it all.

[Moniqua]

When can i see this

[Moniqua]

:(

[Wizard.]

When can i see this

When ya get ya lazy ass off the couch and into the cinema ya dosey mare!

[Niamh.]

Going to see this tonight, can't wait!

[LaLaLand]

I cannot tell you how much I absolutely near soiled myself at

That huge farmer statue coming to life and screaming at Richie. Oh my God! I just didn’t expect it and I actually screamed :joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Tony Montana]

Going to see this tonight, can't wait!

Hope you enjoy it!

[Tony Montana]

I cannot tell you how much I absolutely near soiled myself at

That huge farmer statue coming to life and screaming at Richie. Oh my God! I just didn’t expect it and I actually screamed :joker::joker::joker::joker:

Same. I was pissing myself. :joker:

[Niamh.]

Hope you enjoy it!

Thanks, I have no doubt that I will :love:

[Tony Montana]

Yeah it's pretty obvious lol. He even carved E(ddie) + R(ichie) into the wooden fence.



Wow I didn't even realise that was an E he carved. Makes perfect sense.

[montblanc]

i enjoyed this but it did feel a bit messy tbh

[JerseyWins]

Watching tomorrow night, hoping it’s good :fc:

[Niamh.]

Seen last night; not to bad, was a tad long for my liking. It was still good though and plenty of scares, only downfall is again they showed most of the good stuff in the trailer. But it’s very funny, emotional and quite scary (although honestly I didn’t find any that scare out of seat moments)

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it

No they were definitely implying that he was gay. I think the strongest part of that was when he high fived the bullies cousin and their hands kind of lingered and they gave eachother a look. I think the cousin was probably gay too btw he seemed to panic though when he saw his bully cousin and that's why he pushed the focus off himself and on to Ritchie?

[Niamh.]

Anyway :

I loved it, I actually thought it was better than Chapter I. It was more scary definitely but also managed to keep it's humour. I thought the casting was amazing. Eventhough it was almost 3 hours long, it flew by and I was sad when it ended. Oh I never knew Stephen king was going to be in it either so that was a surprise 9.5/10

[Tom4784]

I loved it a lot but it was highly flawed in parts, that being said, I think these two films are actually better than the book for reasons I'll explain in the spoiler. The main non-spoilery problems I had with it was that it was far too long and poorly paced and a lot of the scenes with the younger versions of the characters didn't really add anything to it. The film also becomes really formulaic in the second act.

I think the film is well acted and casted though, it's remarkable how (apart from Ben) every adult counterpart looks almost exactly like what you'd imagine the kids to look like at 40.

As for the spoiler-y stuff.

My other big issue with this film was the retcons to the first film, like it was a mistake to make it so that Ben basically took Mike's role from the book but the way they tried to retcon that by making Mike the history buff just felt strange. I also hated a lot of the kids' scenes since they really should have been in the first film, them suddenly having the clubhouse when it was never mentioned in the first film was problematic. I think the only flashbacks that were worth it (aside from the ending which actually choked me up quite a bit, and the start which was necessary.) were Richie's since they introduced an element to his character that put a whole different spin on how he interacted with others.

The whole Ritual of Chud thing in the book wasn't great but it kinda made sense that it was a thing they'd try since they did it as children so there's a history to it but the way it's introduced in this film is just bad and hackneyed. I liked that they didn't try to shoehorn too much of the cosmic stuff from the books though since I always thought those parts were badly written and pretentious, the way they defeat Pennywise in the film is much better than it was in the book. I also liked how they handled the spider and how they made it essentially just another form of fear instead of IT's true form like in the books, making it a literal spider Pennywise was pretty inspired too since I thought the book (and the miniseries) both suffered horribly in the second half since they didn't make enough use of Pennywise and the creators definitely learned from those mistakes here.

While FAR too much CGI was used, I've got to say that the Restaurant scene and the Spider-Stanley scenes were pretty great. That being said, the weird old woman didn't need to be CGI'd and they definitely could have done something practical with the Pomeranian although that bit was still pretty good as is.

I do think these films are better than the books because they jettisoned a lot of Stephen King being overly Stephen King-ish that ended up dragging down parts of the books. Keeping elements such as the turtle as background cameos works better than trying to explain the ins and outs of the multiverse and the films, despite a bloated second part, definitely felt lighter and better put together than the book. I love the book but it has it's issues.

I also wish that more time was devoted to developing the Losers as adults instead of rehashing the same scares for each Loser.

It sounds like I'm being really negative about the film but I did like it a lot despite it's problems. I'd give Part 2 a 7/10 but I think both films as a whole are easily a 9/10.

[Niamh.]

And I actually thought even Ben looked like the younger version facially, if you imagined him having got in shape etc :laugh:

[JerseyWins]

This was really solid actually, I enjoyed it a lot... I thought the IT remake was just kinda alright so I was pretty happy & pleasantly surprised with this :clap1:

I will say I definitely preferred the first half to the second half though and I started getting some fatigue after a while (2 hours 50 mins! felt like 4 tbh)

[JerseyWins]

Seen last night; not to bad, was a tad long for my liking. It was still good though and plenty of scares, only downfall is again they showed most of the good stuff in the trailer. But it’s very funny, emotional and quite scary (although honestly I didn’t find any that scare out of seat moments)

In regards to one storyline for people who have seen it (I’ll put it in spoilers)

Was the character Richie gay? Penny wise started teasing him about a dark secret he had that he was going to reveal, and the way he was with Stanley and Eddie in the film made me think he fancied them? Plus that one scene he seems to be befriending another boy who turns out to be the cousin of the bully, at first I thought it was just him trying to make a friend but now not to sure

Maybe I am thinking to much into it
I think it's possible. When he was playing that arcade game with the bully's cousin, he was looking at him in a romantic way.

Yeah it's pretty obvious lol. He even carved E(ddie) + R(ichie) into the wooden fence.

Just watched this and I did enjoy it. There are a few pacing issues and some weird editing where it just cuts from one scene to another, but apart from that I enjoyed it. Of course the first one couldn't be topped though.

My heart was breaking when Ben was getting buried alive trying to tell Beverly that it was him who wrote the poem </3 they're meant to be!

I love how you always go into Stephen King for the horror but come out being in love with the characters and human nature of it all.
No they were definitely implying that he was gay. I think the strongest part of that was when he high fived the bullies cousin and their hands kind of lingered and they gave eachother a look. I think the cousin was probably gay too btw he seemed to panic though when he saw his bully cousin and that's why he pushed the focus off himself and on to Ritchie?
I didn't realize any of this lmao. :skull: My friend even mentioned that Richie might be gay because of the E + R carving on the gravestone but I didn't see it, I just thought of it as a friendship thing. With these other moments, it kinda does clue/hint to that I guess :joker:

And omg Eddie dying had me shook </3 One of my fave characters. Also another note that I agree with people saying here... I love the characterization / character development that Stephen King adds, especially for a movie, and the humor thrown in a bunch :clap1:

[Amy Jade]

Richie was 100% gay, it was heavily implied quite a few times but the most obvious part was in the arcade and then the R + E carving

Also...

Did it annoy anyone that the homophobic bullies got away with the attack at the start of the movie? 3 hours and they didn't give us a scene of Pennywise killing them?

Did enjoy the movie, really liked how it managed to stay creepy yet funny at times too. The casting agent deserves so much praise for casting the adult version of the original child actors.

[Daniel.]

I really enjoyed this film. It was far better than part 1.

[JerseyWins]

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers D:

Also @ the bullies getting away without being attacked/killed by Pennywise, I think it was good to keep Pennywise villainous and that would’ve been a hero moment. Maybe the film should’ve had revenge on them in some other way tho

[Vanessa]

Me and my nephew watched the extended version. Highly recommend, it was brilliant!
Not too scary, but the story was amazing.

[Amy Jade]

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers D:

Also @ the bullies getting away without being attacked/killed by Pennywise, I think it was good to keep Pennywise villainous and that would’ve been a hero moment. Maybe the film should’ve had revenge on them in some other way tho

Yeah the bleachers scene was sad, she was so cute and her mom just ignored her and then when she said she gets bullied :(

One of the main criticisms I have seen of the movie is not enough Pennywise, they could have cut a few other scenes a little shorter and had him stalking the bullies. Just hated that nothing was said at all.

[Tony Montana]

The scene with the little girl under the bleachers D:

Also @ the bullies getting away without being attacked/killed by Pennywise, I think it was good to keep Pennywise villainous and that would’ve been a hero moment. Maybe the film should’ve had revenge on them in some other way tho

The way Pennywise stared at her for so long and the look in his eyes was terrifying.

Yeah, I think if he had killed those homophobic pricks, it would've made him look heroic which is the last thing he is.

[Tony Montana]

I wonder what happened to Don at the beginning. After his boyfriend is killed, we don't see him again.

[Niamh.]

The way Pennywise stared at her for so long and the look in his eyes was terrifying.

Yeah, I think if he had killed those homophobic pricks, it would've made him look heroic which is the last thing he is.

For a second I thought she was going to leave and survive :(

[Tom4784]

Richie was 100% gay, it was heavily implied quite a few times but the most obvious part was in the arcade and then the R + E carving

Also...

Did it annoy anyone that the homophobic bullies got away with the attack at the start of the movie? 3 hours and they didn't give us a scene of Pennywise killing them?

Did enjoy the movie, really liked how it managed to stay creepy yet funny at times too. The casting agent deserves so much praise for casting the adult version of the original child actors.

I think it would have felt out of place for Pennywise to kill the homophobes. There's an pattern for all the victims bar Patrick Hockstetter that they are ultimately innocent and good people. Their role in both the book and the film is to cement that Derry is a bit backwards.

[Tom4784]

There's been something I've thought about that really bother me actually and it's mostly to do with Bev. I disliked that they pretty much glazed over her backstory (and her success) and robbed her of a lot of the personality she had in the first film. I think Jessica Chastain did the best she could but it was sad that such a standout character in the first film was so underwritten here.

That being said, the more I think about the film's ending, the more I think it's a massive improvement over the book's. I did quite like how, in the book, IT's death results in the destruction of Derry since IT was Derry in effect but I always hated how the Losers forgot each other and how Bill essentially got away scot free with cheating on Audra. Like, I understand that it's a commentary on childhood friends growing apart and moving on but I thought the film handled it better in that just the house on Neibolt street collapsed instead.

I've also got mixed feelings on Stanley's letter in the end. I liked that he got a hero moment but it's unfortunate and quite wrong that it came at the expense of romanticising his suicide.

Ugh, I always feel like I'm talking **** about this film but I did really like it, I swear :laugh:

[Tony Montana]

For a second I thought she was going to leave and survive :(

Same. I wish that happened. :(

[Tom4784]

Same. I wish that happened. :(

It was an excellent scene, I liked how they wrote it to demonstrate how the times have changed to make kids less trusting and harder for him to kill. It was a horrific scene though.

'You're meant to say three' Although I knew it was coming it still made me jump.

[Niamh.]

There's been something I've thought about that really bother me actually and it's mostly to do with Bev. I disliked that they pretty much glazed over her backstory (and her success) and robbed her of a lot of the personality she had in the first film. I think Jessica Chastain did the best she could but it was sad that such a standout character in the first film was so underwritten here.

That being said, the more I think about the film's ending, the more I think it's a massive improvement over the book's. I did quite like how, in the book, IT's death results in the destruction of Derry since IT was Derry in effect but I always hated how the Losers forgot each other and how Bill essentially got away scot free with cheating on Audra. Like, I understand that it's a commentary on childhood friends growing apart and moving on but I thought the film handled it better in that just the house on Neibolt street collapsed instead.

I've also got mixed feelings on Stanley's letter in the end. I liked that he got a hero moment but it's unfortunate and quite wrong that it came at the expense of romanticising his suicide.

Ugh, I always feel like I'm talking **** about this film but I did really like it, I swear :laugh:

Just to pick up your point on Bev, as the only female character I have to admit that the fact that her only storyline was men, be that the love triangle, her husband and her abusive father, was slightly disappointing and annoying. It's something that female characters suffer from alot.

**although this is improving thankfully in film/TV in general

[Tony Montana]

It was an excellent scene, I liked how they wrote it to demonstrate how the times have changed to make kids less trusting and harder for him to kill. It was a horrific scene though.

'You're meant to say three' Although I knew it was coming it still made me jump.

I agree. I love the look on Pennywise's face when the girl doesn't believe him. ''If you're my friend why are you hiding in the dark? You're not my friend, you're scary'' As soon as she's about to leave and you're certain of her survival, all of that is thrown away when he reverts to his manipulative ways.

I was expecting the jump scare, although I wasn't expecting that long pause. I love that that was added in. The look on his face was something else.

[Niamh.]

Best Jump scare? for me it's

Richie on the bench and the statue

[Tom4784]

Just to pick up your point on Bev, as the only female character I have to admit that her only storyline was men, be that the love triangle, her husband and he abusive father, was slightly disappointing and annoying. It's something that female characters suffer from alot.

**although this is improving thankfully in film/TV in general

I think that's also an issue in the book but I think I remember it being more about the cycle of abuse rather then her existence revolving around men. I do wish they did more to develop the characters as adults. Bev literally just got one scene with her husband and a line about her job and then the rest of the film her role consisted of making googly eyes with Ben and Bill. It's quite the disservice not only to the character but to Jessica Chastain and Sophia Lillis too.

I also disliked that Audra got sidelined in the film too, I could understand them cutting down the abusive husband's role since his presence in Derry in the book was basically just to be another threat and they already had Bowers for that but they could have really done with another major female character and Audra's a pretty good character in the books although Stephen King did end up fridging her in part.

[Tom4784]

Best Jump scare? for me it's

Richie on the bench and the statue

That one was really well done despite the CGI-ness of it all, mainly because it's a good twist on the book's version of that scene, which, if I remember right, just has the statue chasing Richie around. Making the statue more monstrous was a good touch to make a rather silly scene in the book more effective here.

[Niamh.]

I think that's also an issue in the book but I think I remember it being more about the cycle of abuse rather then her existence revolving around men. I do wish they did more to develop the characters as adults. Bev literally just got one scene with her husband and a line about her job and then the rest of the film her role consisted of making googly eyes with Ben and Bill. It's quite the disservice not only to the character but to Jessica Chastain and Sophia Lillis too.

I also disliked that Audra got sidelined in the film too, I could understand them cutting down the abusive husband's role since his presence in Derry in the book was basically just to be another threat and they already had Bowers for that but they could have really done with another major female character and Audra's a pretty good character in the books although Stephen King did end up fridging her in part.

Yeah i didn't read the book so I didn't have that to compare it with, I've only recently started reading Stephen Kings stuff, not sure I love how he deals with women characters in general. All I got from the film was that Audra was a bit annoying and looked kind of like Bev

Going back to Stephen King though and how he writes about women, have you read Sleeping Beauties? Not sure if he's had a bit of an ephiny or if it's his sons influence in that book but it's all about how men treat women and is not a bad reflection of r/l

[Tom4784]

Yeah i didn't read the book so I didn't have that to compare it with, I've only recently started reading Stephen Kings stuff, not sure I love how he deals with women characters in general. All I got from the film was that Audra was a bit annoying and looked kind of like Bev

Going back to Stephen King though and how he writes about women, have you read Sleeping Beauties? Not sure if he's had a bit of an ephiny or if it's his sons influence in that book but it's all about how men treat women and is not a bad reflection of r/l

Yeah, he's not known for being great at writing female characters if I remember right.

Audra's a lot better in the book and the whole thing about Bill feeling guilty about faking his illness is something that's been put in place of his original storyline that involved Audra heavily.

I've not read Sleeping Beauties, no, I might have to though. I have a very love/hate relationship with the books of his that I've read though. I do love IT but it's so very flawed in parts and plus there's parts that are just straight up wrong.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, he's not known for being great at writing female characters if I remember right.

Audra's a lot better in the book and the whole thing about Bill feeling guilty about faking his illness is something that's been put in place of his original storyline that involved Audra heavily.

I've not read Sleeping Beauties, no, I might have to though. I have a very love/hate relationship with the books of his that I've read though. I do love IT but it's so very flawed in parts and plus there's parts that are just straight up wrong.

I did read about that one part in the first chapter (that thankfully any adaptations left out), about Bev having sex with all the Losers. that's just wrong on so many levels

[Oliver_W]

I did read about that one part in the first chapter (that thankfully any adaptations left out), about Bev having sex with all the Losers. that's just wrong on so many levels

I think the co-writer of that section was cocaine. Reading about someone being railroaded is bad enough, but why did it have to go into details about their sizes and how they each felt when they were bloody twelve?!

[Niamh.]

I think the co-writer of that section was cocaine. Reading about someone being railroaded is bad enough, but why did it have to go into details about their sizes and how they each felt when they were bloody twelve?!

I didn't read it but yeah that is pretty warped. Stephen Kings argument was "Oh it's a book about children being murdered and everyone is outraged by the sex part".......... It's absolutely not that at all. The child murders were bad, they were depicted as being bad. As far as I've heard that weird child sex orgy was supposed to be some sort of coming of age marvellous moment........the implication was that Bev was a victim of sexual abuse at the hands of her father and this ****ing gang bang at age 12 was some how empowering? I mean..... it's pretty sick and I would imagine something that victims of paedophilia/sexual abuse would find really distasteful and offensive (and anyone who hasn't ltb but even more so victims

[Oliver_W]

I didn't read it but yeah that is pretty warped. Stephen Kings argument was "Oh it's a book about children being murdered and everyone is outraged by the sex part".......... It's absolutely not that at all. The child murders were bad, they were depicted as being bad. As far as I've heard that weird child sex orgy was supposed to be some sort of coming of age marvellous moment........the implication was that Bev was a victim of sexual abuse at the hands of her father and this ****ing gang bang at age 12 was some how empowering? I mean..... it's pretty sick and I would imagine something that victims of paedophilia/sexual abuse would find really distasteful and offensive (and anyone who hasn't ltb but even more so victims

In the book her father explicitly never actually abused her - there was a moment where he* demanded to know if Bev had been slutting around, and wanted to see if she was "intact".

When she was an adult IT took the form of ZombieDad and he creeped her out by saying he wanted to abuse her, but never did.

Her mum was also alive in the book, unlike both film versions. At one point she asked Bev if her dad had ever touched her, but he hadn't and the question confused her.

* at the time he was either really drunk, crazed by anger, influenced by IT, or actually a form of IT

[Niamh.]

In the book her father explicitly never actually abused her - there was a moment where he* demanded to know if Bev had been slutting around, and wanted to see if she was "intact".

When she was an adult IT took the form of ZombieDad and he creeped her out by saying he wanted to abuse her, but never did.

Her mum was also alive in the book, unlike both film versions. At one point she asked Bev if her dad had ever touched her, but he hadn't and the question confused her.

* at the time he was either really drunk, crazed by anger, influenced by IT, or actually a form of IT

Ah ok, like I said I didn't read the book, I thought that was what they were hinting at in the film though so assumed it was the same in the book

[Tom4784]

I did read about that one part in the first chapter (that thankfully any adaptations left out), about Bev having sex with all the Losers. that's just wrong on so many levels

It's utterly grotesque and ultimately needless, their confrontation with IT as children in the books is completely philosophical for the most part and the reasoning for the sex scene is flimsy at best. He could have easily wrote it so that they find their way out of the sewers through the after effects of their battle with IT.

It's just... Ugh. It's something that completely taints the story for me. I pretty much have to pretend that chapter doesn't exist. It's just wrong.

[Niamh.]

It's utterly grotesque and ultimately needless, their confrontation with IT as children in the books is completely philosophical for the most part and the reasoning for the sex scene is flimsy at best. He could have easily wrote it so that they find their way out of the sewers through the after effects of their battle with IT.

It's just... Ugh. It's something that completely taints the story for me. I pretty much have to pretend that chapter doesn't exist. It's just wrong.

Not good with endings eh? maybe a dig at himself there? :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

It's utterly grotesque and ultimately needless, their confrontation with IT as children in the books is completely philosophical for the most part and the reasoning for the sex scene is flimsy at best. He could have easily wrote it so that they find their way out of the sewers through the after effects of their battle with IT.

It's just... Ugh. It's something that completely taints the story for me. I pretty much have to pretend that chapter doesn't exist. It's just wrong.

Weeeell, the reasoning was their magical connection was broken because IT was out of action, so I can see that it needed to be temporarily rebonded long enough for them to escape. That's sound. But the way it was resolved as clearly not.

The same thing could have been achieved by the blood pact thing they did with the broken glass tbh.

[Tom4784]

Weeeell, the reasoning was their magical connection was broken because IT was out of action, so I can see that it needed to be temporarily rebonded long enough for them to escape. That's sound. But the way it was resolved as clearly not.

The same thing could have been achieved by the blood pact thing they did with the broken glass tbh.

Exactly, there's so many ways he could have gone about achieving the same result without tainting the story like that.

[JerseyWins]

Ok in hindsight this movie is even better when you forget about sitting through it for 3 hours & remember all the great scenes & acting it had :clap1: (also realizing a lot of the little things because I watched 1 when it first came out & forgot a lot of the little details etc.)

I’m going from “really solid” to “amazing” for this film :joker:

[JerseyWins]

I should’ve rewatched 1 before going into 2