Do you believe in sanctity of human life?

[Twosugars]

One of bots's posts in the poacher thread made me ask myself this question.
And I'm not sure of my answer tbh.
Hoping your opinions help me clarify my thinking.

Is human life sacred or not?


Edit: Sorreh, it seems I didn't say it well enough. Slow thinking day and all that.

I meant is human life so important that it should not be taken at any circumstances.

2nd edit: Looks like ****ed up this question. Clarification: I don't mean anything to do with religion.

[Marsh.]

What do you mean? Is it important? Yes.

[joeysteele]

Yes it is.

However I'd also qualify that with all life should be.

So for me, anyone who will wilfully destroy life, clearly doesn't hold life sacred.

There's no easy answer overall but I respect life, all life, which is also the greater part of why I became a vegetarian.

For me, life should not just be about Human life.

[Niamh.]

What do you mean? Is it important? Yes.

what Marsh said

[user104658]

In metaphorical terms yes. Obviously not literally, as I don't believe in good / evil / gods / souls etc.

[Vicky.]

In metaphorical terms yes. Obviously not literally, as I don't believe in good / evil / gods / souls etc.

Yeah thats what I took the question to mean. hence my no :laugh:

[Twosugars]

What do you mean? Is it important? Yes.

Didn't ask if it's important but if it is sacred. I suppose I asked if it was important enough not be taken in any circumstances, i.e. sacred

[bots]

i think my answer is a given, and I don't mean it in a religious sense either as I'm not religious

[Cherie]

I don’t think it’s a yes or no answer for instance I believe in right to die if someone is of a sound state of mind to make that decision and they are not being coerced, I also believe in Do not resuscitate in certain circumstances, and whilst I dont agree with the death penalty per se in certain cases I would say they should die :shrug:

[Niamh.]

In metaphorical terms yes. Obviously not literally, as I don't believe in good / evil / gods / souls etc.

Yeah thats what I took the question to mean. hence my no :laugh:

Oh I said yes but I didn't mean yes to souls etc

[Niamh.]

Didn't ask if it's important but if it is sacred. I suppose I asked if it was important enough not be taken in any circumstances, i.e. sacred

Well, i would be with the law there I think, in self defense etc but I disagree with the death penalty

[Twosugars]

I don’t think it’s a yes or no answer for instance I believe in right to die if someone is of a sound state of mind to make that decision and they are not being coerced, I also believe in Do not resuscitate in certain circumstances, and whilst I dont agree with the death penalty per se in certain cases I would say they should die :shrug:

I saw you coming Cherie. That's why I removed the third option. Bc if there are situations where it is not sacred then that means No.

[Marsh.]

Didn't ask if it's important but if it is sacred. I suppose I asked if it was important enough not be taken in any circumstances, i.e. sacred

Well, part of the definition is if it's "valuable". Yes, I believe it is.

"Sacred" in religious terms, I don't know.

[Cal.]

No there’s loads of us we’re not that important

In FACT we’re a cancer on this planet

[Marsh.]

No there’s loads of us we’re not that important

In FACT we’re a cancer on this planet

By "us" you mean gays, yes? :smug:

[Cherie]

No there’s loads of us we’re not that important

In FACT we’re a cancer on this planet

Poor Morsh

[Cal.]

By "us" you mean gays, yes? :smug:

Oh the gays are important yes

Everyone needs to go gay so we die out

[Cherie]

I saw you coming Cherie. That's why I removed the third option. Bc if there are situations where it is not sacred then that means No.

Did I cast a shadow :omgno:

[Twosugars]

Did I cast a shadow :omgno:

No, but I felt this funny tingling sensation.

[Mokka]

I don't think I do. I don't believe we are more important than all other living organisms out there... including trees. I believe in the validity of euthanasia. I don't like war nor would I be a soldier, but historically defence is needed from other human life. And I don't believe in souls.

[Kazanne]

I believe we all have life for a reason , whether it be human , animals etc ,just because something isn't human does not mean it's life is not as important we are not always better than anything else on the planet, and we have made a good job of destroying a lot of it,so I answered no .

[Strictly Jake]

Well life is important yeah but if someone tortures someone and kills whether it be another human or an animal I think they lose that right

[The Slim Reaper]

I believe in life after love.

[arista]

I believe we all have life for a reason , whether it be human , animals etc ,just because something isn't human does not mean it's life is not as important we are not always better than anything else on the planet, and we have made a good job of destroying a lot of it,so I answered no .


Yes Hitler
had reasons , he took over Europe
and Murdered millions.

If I could go back in time
to 1937
I could Kill him
with a Drone bomb.
Saving the World from WW2

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes Hitler
had reasons , he took over Europe
and Murdered millions.

If I could go back in time
to 1937
I could Kill him
with a Drone bomb.
Saving the World from WW2

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Hlv1BtrAK0pmpdm/giphy.gif

[Ammi]

I believe in life after love.



...what are we supposed to do..?...sit around and wait for you...well we can’t do that..there’s no turning back...I believe in the sanctity of Cher also...:love:..

[Mokka]

...what are we supposed to do..?...sit around and wait for you...well we can’t do that..there’s no turning back...I believe in the sanctity of Cher also...:love:..

That's a whole new thread Ammi :joker:

[Ammi]

..it’s a big question Twosugars...it’s not one I can easily answer tbh...I believe in the fragility of life..I believe in its delicacy and in things that are beyond our control which can change life in a split second...I don’t believe that we humans have the right to extinguish life purposefully ...either human or animal...

[Ammi]

That's a whole new thread Ammi :joker:

...make it and they will come, Mokka..:lovedup:...

[Twosugars]

..it’s a big question Twosugars...it’s not one I can easily answer tbh...I believe in the fragility of life..I believe in its delicacy and in things that are beyond our control which can change life in a split second...I don’t believe that we humans have the right to extinguish life purposefully ...either human or animal...
nobody's advocating that

go on, commit yourself :hee:

[Ammi]

...no I don’t believe it’s sacred...if it were sacred then it wouldn’t be human imo...it can’t be both as they are contradictions of each other ..is my thought...

[user104658]

I think you've confused the question a bit 2S with the terminology as "sanctity" and "sacred" by their definition refer specifically to being "of religious significance". I took the question to mean, essentially, do I think human life holds significance to the extent that it should be preserved above other considerations which I generally do -- although I am also an advocate of euthanasia which would be AGAINST the religious idea of life being (truly) sacred.

[Twosugars]

yeah, but we do use sacred and sanctity in non-religious context too, c'mon Soldier Toy

and why would I use it in religious context? :suspect:

[Twosugars]

...no I don’t believe it’s sacred...if it were sacred then it wouldn’t be human imo...it can’t be both as they are contradictions of each other ..is my thought...

I didn't mean sacred in religious supernatural sense

I meant if it is of value above other values

[user104658]

yeah, but we do use sacred and sanctity in non-religious context too, c'mon Soldier Toy

and why would I use it in religious context? :suspect:

We do and I took it that way but it seems that other people haven't and it's messing up the results :fist:.

[Twosugars]

We do and I took it that way but it seems that other people haven't and it's messing up the results :fist:.

:bawling:

Ah knew ah shouldn't post it on a day when mah thinking is all woolly

[bots]

so the majority of the forum are murderous bastards at the moment :laugh:

[Twosugars]

so the majority of the forum are murderous bastards at the moment :laugh:
:nono: they're not

replying no doesn't come anywhere near to advocating death, bots and you know it :fist:

[Cherie]

There has been a Murr darr....Taggart :flutter:

[montblanc]

No there’s loads of us we’re not that important

:joker:

[Livia]

Hard question to answer yes or no, so I guess I'm going to have to go with no. There are some people in this world that just don't deserve to live.

[Northern Monkey]

I believe in the sanctity of plant life.The only life that keeps our planet from being a desert like Mars.
That’s why i can’t stand those murderous fecking vegans.Destroying our beautiful home they are :fist:

[Northern Monkey]

...no I don’t believe it’s sacred...if it were sacred then it wouldn’t be human imo...it can’t be both as they are contradictions of each other ..is my thought...

Clever cloggs

[Ammi]

I didn't mean sacred in religious supernatural sense

I meant if it is of value above other values

...it’s still a difficult question though...sorry I’m not being difficult and evasive, TS...but not every human life will have the same value to every human...?..in the recent story for instance that sparked your thoughts...?....the loss of life of that hunter/poacher appears to have held very little value to some... I mean how could it...there is no emotional attachment to him and what he was doing when he was killed abhorred some people...?..do where was the value placed on him by some, there just wasn’t any...but he had daughters...he had a family and friends and loved ones in his life who would have placed an entirely different value on him...if human lives have value that is above all else...?...then they have that value by those who place the value on them...it’s an entirely personal thing...

[Ammi]

..of that makes any kind of sense...

[smudgie]

No.
Not everyone deserves to live, or even wants to live.

[Redway]

Not everyone wants to live.

You saying the lives of suicidal people aren’t sacred?

[joeysteele]

Some really strong posts on this here.
Really interesting to read and take on board.

My first line in my post above said yes it is.
However I qualified that with all life was in my view.

So on the poll, which only asks the Human life.
I had to vote no.
On a poll for all life,I'd vote yes.

[smudgie]

You saying the lives of suicidal people aren’t sacred?

No, not at all.
I am saying that some people don’t want to carry on living, and should have the right to die, with or without help.
All down to choice.
I don’t particularly think of life as sacred.

[Marsh.]

Didn't ask if it's important but if it is sacred. I suppose I asked if it was important enough not be taken in any circumstances, i.e. sacred

Then importance is part and parcel of that, not sure why my interpretation is wrong in that regard. :think:

[Twosugars]

Then importance is part and parcel of that, not sure why my interpretation is wrong in that regard. :think:
I didn't say your interpretation was wrong, but it didn't go far enough to answer my question.
I'd imagine all of us here would agree human life is important or of importance.
But would you say it is of paramount importance? That it trumps other things and values? I.e. it's absolutely sacrosanct, not to be violated at any cost?

[Twosugars]

...it’s still a difficult question though...sorry I’m not being difficult and evasive, TS...but not every human life will have the same value to every human...?..in the recent story for instance that sparked your thoughts...?....the loss of life of that hunter/poacher appears to have held very little value to some... I mean how could it...there is no emotional attachment to him and what he was doing when he was killed abhorred some people...?..do where was the value placed on him by some, there just wasn’t any...but he had daughters...he had a family and friends and loved ones in his life who would have placed an entirely different value on him...if human lives have value that is above all else...?...then they have that value by those who place the value on them...it’s an entirely personal thing...

but to you, is it sacred, yes or no? :)

[Marsh.]

I didn't say your interpretation was wrong, but it didn't go far enough to answer my question.
I'd imagine all of us here would agree human life is important or of importance.
But would you say it is of paramount importance? That it trumps other things and values? I.e. it's absolutely sacrosanct, not to be violated at any cost?

I suppose I do, but not "at any cost". Certain extreme circumstances. Like I don't agree with abortion unless the pregnancy poses a risk to the mother's life/health and in rape cases etc.

[Ammi]

but to you, is it sacred, yes or no? :)

...I guess in a situation where I would just ‘act’ rather than think..?...my instinct would be yes human life is sacred above all other life...I mean for instance in those dilemma/type situations...if there was a burning building and I was given a choice of saving a human life or saving an an animal life but both couldn’t be saved...?...the I would choose the human always I feel...but I still can’t say that I absolutely believe in the sanctity of human life because my beliefs are pro choice in some things that would go against that...

[Ammi]

...for me it’s not a yes or no answer, sorry Twosugars..:laugh:..

[Elliot]

The question is a bit vague. I believe humans are valuable. I don’t believe they’re sacred in a religious sense. I don’t believe they’re any more valuable than any other mammal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

no

our lives are as meaningless as a blade of grass or a drop of rain

[Crimson Dynamo]

or the sugarbabes

[user104658]

no



our lives are as meaningless as a blade of grass or a drop of rainYours might be, I on the other hand am precious.

[Redway]

no

our lives are as meaningless as a blade of grass or a drop of rain

Why advocate a 6-day working week in that case?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why advocate a 6-day working week in that case?

same reason you watch a film when you know it will end in 2 hours with a happy ending

[user104658]

same reason you watch a film when you know it will end in 2 hours with a happy ending:think: that's for entertainment and escapism, surely? Most of us don't get that at work LT!

[Crimson Dynamo]

:think: that's for entertainment and escapism, surely? Most of us don't get that at work LT!

:fist:

says you sat in the back room at work currently watching youtube on your tablet

[user104658]

:fist:



says you sat in the back room at work currently watching youtube on your tabletI have no counterargument to this :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

and i know it was ladyboydiet.com but i was being polite..

[Garfie]

All life on this planet is as valuable, whether human, animal or plant life. Without plant life neither animals or humans could exist, so can human life be seen as more valuable? And, although I understand that one species uses another to survive, in all truth, what right does any human have to say that they are more valuable than any other sort of life?

Every living thing on this planet is in a battle to survive as long and as well as possible, so each living thing must feel it's survival is of utmost importance.

Ironically, I believe that human beings are the only species that consciously behave in ways that they know will risk their health, well-being and survival, or are willing to actually choose to take their own lives.

I don't think that answers the question at all, but these are my immediate thoughts on the subject. I guess these thoughts are leading me to the conclusion that no, all human life can't possibly be sacred (or even be seen as sacred by most of us) when as individuals and as a species we seem to be destroying all our chances of long term survival.

All the time that some of the human race is killing itself through greed, over-indulgence and excess, whilst standing by and watching human beings in other parts of the world starve, we cannot say that as a species, we believe in the sanctity of human life. And, as individuals, unless we are avoiding taking part in practices that are likely to cause us harm, and are actively involved in protecting the lives of other humans at risk or in danger, how can we truly say we believe in the sanctity of human life?

I liked to claim to believe in the sanctity of human life, but through responding to your question, Twosugars, I realise I'd be lying to myself by claiming I did.

Well, that was eye-opening!

[Twosugars]

Thank you, Garfie. You said what I was thinking too.

[Cherie]

:fist:

says you sat in the back room at work currently watching youtube on your tablet

:joker:

[Cherie]

All life on this planet is as valuable, whether human, animal or plant life. Without plant life neither animals or humans could exist, so can human life be seen as more valuable? And, although I understand that one species uses another to survive, in all truth, what right does any human have to say that they are more valuable than any other sort of life?

Every living thing on this planet is in a battle to survive as long and as well as possible, so each living thing must feel it's survival is of utmost importance.

Ironically, I believe that human beings are the only species that consciously behave in ways that they know will risk their health, well-being and survival, or are willing to actually choose to take their own lives.

I don't think that answers the question at all, but these are my immediate thoughts on the subject. I guess these thoughts are leading me to the conclusion that no, all human life can't possibly be sacred (or even be seen as sacred by most of us) when as individuals and as a species we seem to be destroying all our chances of long term survival.

All the time that some of the human race is killing itself through greed, over-indulgence and excess, whilst standing by and watching human beings in other parts of the world starve, we cannot say that as a species, we believe in the sanctity of human life. And, as individuals, unless we are avoiding taking part in practices that are likely to cause us harm, and are actively involved in protecting the lives of other humans at risk or in danger, how can we truly say we believe in the sanctity of human life?

I liked to claim to believe in the sanctity of human life, but through responding to your question, Twosugars, I realise I'd be lying to myself by claiming I did.

Well, that was eye-opening!


:clap1:

[Garfie]

Thank you, Garfie. You said what I was thinking too.

:thumbs:

Thanks for the thought provoking question, Twosugars. I didn't know my answer when I started my response but enjoyed the process of getting there (even if I didn't enjoy the conclusions I came to!).