Star Wars: Episode IX [The Rise of Skywalker]

[Smithy]

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[James]

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Title revealed at end.

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[Ramsay]

Palpatine :worship:

[Tony Montana]

Palpatine :worship:

Legend. Perched af

[Jordan.]

EUGH :flutter:

[James]

Re title - are they bringing Luke back as well as the Emperor? Or does Skywalker mean Kylo?

[Marsh.]

Luke Skywalker dies?

[Calderyon]

Either Palpatine is back or Luke becomes the new Emperor. Whichever it is, hopefully they will somehow kill Rei and the other two and we start anew.

[Oliver_W]

Lando <3
Leia <3
Palpy <3

Don't care about the rest <3

[Calderyon]

Lando <3
Leia <3
Palpy <3

Don't care about the rest <3

Seconded. It was great to see Lando, Leia for the last time and hear that familiar creepy laugh at the end.

[Jordan.]

As soon as Rey did that flip I forgot how bad the last film was

[James]

Luke Skywalker dies?

Maybe the opposite.

[Vanessa]

Luke Skywalker becoming the new Emperor? That sounds interesting, yes please!

[Vanessa]

Maybe the opposite.

I hope he comes back. He's always been my favourite.

[Oliver_W]

Me:
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[Tom4784]

Meh, I've got a feeling that this one's gonna be a giant retcon of TLJ because of all the sexist babies crying about how female characters were front and centre in that film.

It's kinda killed my interest in the franchise if that's the case. I don't care for people who cave into pressure to change their creations to suit cretins that are mad because the main character is a woman.

[Oliver_W]

Meh, I've got a feeling that this one's gonna be a giant retcon of TLJ because of all the sexist babies crying about how female characters were front and centre in that film.
Were people even moaning about that? Everyone loves Leia, everyone likes Padme.

I didn't like TLJ, but not for that. I don't like being lumped in with saddoes who bitch about that sort of thing haha

[Tom4784]

Were people even moaning about that? Everyone loves Leia, everyone likes Padme.

I didn't like TLJ, but not for that. I don't like being lumped in with saddoes who bitch about that sort of thing haha

I'm not saying that everyone who didn't like TLJ hated it for that reason, I'm just saying they were a vocal majority that impacted Solo to the point that Disney are listening to them.

Also did anyone really like Padme? Both her and Anakin in the prequels were woeful. Leia is amazing obvi but she was never the main focus in any of the films.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not saying that everyone who didn't like TLJ hated it for that reason, I'm just saying they were a vocal majority that impacted Solo to the point that Disney are listening to them.
Are they though? Rey still looks like the main character, and still seems to be overpowered, so what makes you think Disney are making changes to appease the man babies?




Also did anyone really like Padme? .
I think so? I've not heard of anyone actively disliking her, I think the consensus is that she's fine.

[James]

The trailer and title, if not necessarily the film itself, do seem like a bit of an apology for Episode 8.

[James]

Some pictures from the set - https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/photos/2019/05/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-exclusive-photos

Reveals costumes and characters, and a duel.

[James]

Another trailer.

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[Oliver_W]

It just looks comical tbh

[Vanessa]

Can't wait to see this at the cinema. I love star wars :cheer2:

[James]

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[Oliver_W]

Kelly Marie Tran is beautiful, why do they keep making her look like a troglodyte?
Why is 3PO calling them his "friends", the only one he's spoken to onscreen is Chewbacca.
Horses in space? ... okay? ...
Hopefully some Palpatine memes will come out of this, at least.

[Calderyon]

Spoilers ahead:

https://cosmicbook.news/george-lucas-saving-star-wars-test-screenings-disaster

[Oliver_W]

Spoilers ahead:

https://cosmicbook.news/george-lucas-saving-star-wars-test-screenings-disaster

tbh Lucas should have been involved from the beginning. These new movies are just completely soulless and hollow. Products from the Hollywood Machine.

I'm not saying he should have been the only writer and director, but he certainly should have been the creative spark behind the new movies.

[Ramsay]

Clickbaity **** from some random youtuber

[Calderyon]

Clickbaity **** from some random youtuber

It has been reported on quite a few publications, to be fair. Whether they are reliable is another matter.

Hopefully it's true, cause if the original spoilers are true, literally anything is better than that and the test audiences have a reason to be unhappy.

[Ammi]

...I’m off to see this next weekend, I’m looking forward to it...it feels like a perfect Christmas time movie...



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[Calderyon]

I'll watch it when it leaks online.

[Vanessa]

If I feel better, I'll go and see it on Thursday. Love Star Wars!

[LukeB]

Watching it a week tomorrow.

[Oliver_W]

"Taking one last look sir ... at my friends"

He says, to a group of people I can't even remember him meeting :joker: maybe it's a bait-and-switch, and he's looking through a digital photo album or something.

[James]

I have the chance to go to a midnight screening on Wednesday so that will be interesting.

[LukeB]

I have the chance to go to a midnight screening on Wednesday so that will be interesting.

don't spoil it or else

[James]

don't spoil it or else

Would never be a spoiler troll, unlike some.

[Marsh.]

Would never be a spoiler troll, unlike some.

It's been four years, petulant child.

[Marsh.]

Not to mention never watched Star Wars in my life so it's not my fault it was predictable as hell.

[Calderyon]

I'm okay with Star Wars spoilers. But not in the thread itself, of course.

[Barry.]

Getting so so reviews. Won't go the height of force awakens.

So far 58%.

[Calderyon]

Seems accurate based on the spoilers.

[Jordan.]

Nothing about any of the trailers they released have made me excited for this. It's hard to care about the story concluding when it seems like it barely began. Still, I'll be going to see it of course :omgno:

[Tony Montana]

Yeah there's been mixed reviews on this, with some reviews saying it's worse than The Last Jedi and others praising it.

I'm still gonna watch it and decide for myself though.

[James]

I've just watched it. It's a fairly impressive spectacle. I was confused at some of things that happen. This film definitely has different ideas about things from what Last Jedi had.

Maybe there should be spoiler-heavy thread?

[Vanessa]

I'm going to watch it in IMAX 3D. :amazed:

[Oliver_W]

It's fine. It's not as bad as Last Jedi, but not as good as the main six.

[Barry.]

I've just watched it. It's a fairly impressive spectacle. I was confused at some of things that happen. This film definitely has different ideas about things from what Last Jedi had.

Maybe there should be spoiler-heavy thread?

Just put it in spoilers.

[Jordan.]

okay so this completely exceeded my expectations after TLJ, I loved it.

[Oliver_W]

Palpatine coming back was BS, it basically pissed in the face of everything the six films were trying to achieve.

And why is Force healing suddenly a thing? Anakin basically killed his wife and a bunch of kids, and condemned himself to spend the rest of his life limbless and in a robot suit so he could help Padme ... but suddenly Rey and Ken can just do it? Buuulllthsssiiit

[Calderyon]

Have watched less than 30 minutes now.

[LukeB]

This was great! Not as bad as the critics say and it’s not the worst star wars film some are saying. It was great watching it in 4DX as well.

[Jordan.]

My only complaint would be that they crammed a lot of stuff in without giving much explanation but I blame that on TLJ for having a pointless plot that stalled the storytelling.

[Oliver_W]

I watched it again (sailing the high seas this time) and I liked it even less :(


The entire film seems to be made to insult Anakin. He threw away his entire life and became Darth Vader trying to find a way to save Padme, but apparently there's a Force power any Tom, Dick, or Debbie Harry can do to heal wounds and bring people back from (near/) death? Rey and Ken are nowhere near as well trained as Anakin was at the time, so why can they both do it? Why couldn't Obi Wan do it to Qui Gon?
From the Mandalorian series...
I know Baby Yoda can do it, but his entire species is OP when it comes to the Force


Palpatine being back is BS, and again it pisses in Anakin's eye. He sacrificed his life and rejoined the Light Side to kill him, but it was all for nothing? Why is he more dead when Rey killed him than Anakin?

The Leia stuff was so distracting. You could tell she was "not there", and the lines were recorded and the rest of the stuff was written around it. Plus it didn't feel like her. Even when she was elderly she was dynamic and active, while here she was just standing there. It was so obvious when she was being played by a body double. The character should have been elsewhere in the Galaxy, communicating via hologram, so she could be CGI and a soundalike. The blue wavy lines means it doesn't need to be 100% convincing.

Rey stealing Luke and Anakin's name didn't sit well with me. All of the original characters are dead, the Jedi order is over, and the name is taken by a Palpatine? How is that a victory?

What was with the new pointless characters clogging up an already cluttered film? Bobby Fetta at least served a purpose when she gave Poe the magic coin, and Afro introduced us to the runaway stormtrooper colony, but still...

[Barry.]

Why didn't you use the spoiler tabs?

[Oliver_W]

Why didn't you use the spoiler tabs?

Actually, you're right - I myself can read pretty quickly, and it sometimes "processes" at a glance, so I agree that one line isn't enough, and someone could easily see something they don't want to before watching the movie :)

[Tony Montana]

Finally watched this tonight and it was awesome! Best of the sequel trilogy for me.

[James]

I watched it again on TV.

There is a lot is entertaining up to a point, but it is mainly the final battle and scenes that let it down. They could have come up with something better than that.

Palpatine does the same, there's no hope, no-one is coming speech as in Return of the Jedi.

The new force healing power didn't seem to make sense to me.

Rey heals Kylo and she is fine, but Kylo/Ben heals Rey at the end, and he dies.

They should have stuck with Rose, and given her a bigger role, rather than introducing the new characters, cause it definitely looked like as snub.

I liked some of it though.

I don't think any of the new Star Wars films have actually worked all the way through.

[user104658]

The worst part will forever beThe needless, incesty-feeling kiss at the end. Their connection should have been written as something "unexplainable" and force-related... Making it a romantic connection was dumb, cheap and made no sense.

Literally wrecked the whole film.

Worse than Jar Jar or the time that Anakin's chat up game involved telling Padme about getting sand in his arse crack.

[James]

Oh yeah, it was weird also how Luke and Leia knew all along who Rey was

[MTVN]

I finally saw this last night and it was pretty entertaining but there was quite a lot I didn't like

I can't get on board with this whole idea of physical objects being able to be passed through the force. It made it kinda annoying that Kylo could then instantly tell where Rey was so whenever she went anywhere he would just pop up ten minutes later

Rey was pretty inconsiderate of her friends really. How many times did she just ditch them unexplained to go off on her own adventure putting them at big risk

The inability of people to die was a bit annoying. If Rey actually had killed Chewie that could have been a really good plot development rather than there happening to have been two massive ships that were able to land and leave again right by Rey and Co without them noticing. Also you feel kinda sad for Poes friend who sacrificed her chance of leaving the planet by giving him the Captains badge until it turns out she somehow managed to leave the planet anyway before it was blown up

Having another blow up planets device was itself a bit dull

Why make Kylo and Rey's thing romantic just as he dies

Like Oliver said it makes a mockery of the fact Anakins whole motivation for joining the Sith was to save Padme as bringing someone back to life was meant to be a near impossible power that was only possible through the Sith

The Knights of Ren were a cool concept but never actually did anything

Why did Rey have to be a Skywalker. I thought she might want to reclaim the name Palpatine given that her parents were also Palpatines who sacrificed themselves for her

Overall I just didn't like how this film like the other two new ones relied so much on nostalgia for the OT and trying to recreate those. For all their faults I will always like the prequels for their ambition and originality

But I did like the space fights and the glimpses of different planets we got and I think Poe is pretty cool

[user104658]

Regarding the resurrection, I believe that was down to the whole "force twin" thing (supposed to be like once-in-a-thousand-years sort of rare) and that was the only reason it was possible.

This may also apply to other powers that they shared, like passing physical objects.

[Tom4784]

I watched it on Monday, it was dreadful and utterly amateurish and the way they implemented Carrie Fisher was just disrespectful. They should have had more faith in their original direction since it's obvious they likely threw out their original plan for the third film in the trilogy when fans got pissy that women existed in The Last Jedi.

The sad attempts at fanservice moments were utterly cringeworthy too. It's just... remarkable how bad this film was.

[Tony Montana]

Finally watched this tonight and it was awesome! Best of the sequel trilogy for me.

Still stand by this. :idc:

[Tom4784]

The Force Awakens is the best film by far in the trilogy, TLJ was a decent 7/10 but I feel like it's been made retroactively worse by this film given that TLJ was basically bridge between the first and last films and the payoff in the last film just wasn't worth it.

[Tony Montana]

If I were to rank all the SW films, it'd go:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. The Rise of Skywalker
7. The Force Awakens
8. The Last Jedi
9. Attack of the Clones
10. The Phantom Menace

Haven't seen Solo.

[user104658]

I watched it on Monday, it was dreadful and utterly amateurish and the way they implemented Carrie Fisher was just disrespectful.

:joker: :joker: I had forgotten about the "Bethesda style" generic dialogue scenes with Carrie Fisher!! I watched it in a mostly empty cinema with maybe 6 or 7 other people in the whole place - and I audibly laughed out loud. Really one of the best parts of the movie in terms of pure entertainment. I can't believe it got past quality control, I can only assume they were like "Oh god this is awful but we've already committed to it..."

[Oliver_W]

The Carrie Fisher stuff was borderline creepy.

It didn't even feel like Leia. I don't know how much sense this'll make, but Leia never just "stands and talks". She was always interacting with her surroundings and the other people in the scene.

Her death wasn't even explained. She's not old enough to die of old age without having been ill, and unless I've forgotten something she wasn't meant to be sick or anything?

The way the character told Rey "sorry, she's gone" sounded as if she'd just gone to another planet or something.

when fans got pissy that women existed in The Last Jedi.

Is there any need for that? Admiral Holdo and Finn's woman were just crappy characters, their gender didn't come into it. People didn't care that Rey was female, they cared that her powers were accelerating faster than they should be as established in previous films. You can blame their gender if you like, but there's more substance to it. Everyone loves Leia, everyone likes Padme.

[Tom4784]

The Carrie Fisher stuff was borderline creepy.

It didn't even feel like Leia. I don't know how much sense this'll make, but Leia never just "stands and talks". She was always interacting with her surroundings and the other people in the scene.

Her death wasn't even explained. She's not old enough to die of old age without having been ill, and unless I've forgotten something she wasn't meant to be sick or anything?

The way the character told Rey "sorry, she's gone" sounded as if she'd just gone to another planet or something.


Is there any need for that? Admiral Holdo and Finn's woman were just crappy characters, their gender didn't come into it. People didn't care that Rey was female, they cared that her powers were accelerating faster than they should be as established in previous films. You can blame their gender if you like, but there's more substance to it. Everyone loves Leia, everyone likes Padme.

At the end of the day, would those same fans have hated Rose and Holdo if they were male characters? It would be disingenuous to say they would have been. At most, they would have been treated as forgettable,certainly not hated enough to completely bully the actors that would have played them.

Don't forget that fan edit of the film that cut out female characters, that was downloaded a ridiculous amount of times. I remember the outcry about that film, to pretend that it wasn't about the female focus is just not true.

Geek culture is filled with such misogyny, I should know because I'm into all the geeky ****. It's the same crowd that gets upset whenever there's a gay person in a video game or a female character that isn't dressed up in an armoured bikini. Thesde people see such things as 'political' and act like politics shouldn't have a role in the things they love as they read and watch Game of Thrones, read,play and watch the Witcher, play their Call of Duties, Metal Gear Solid and JRPGs that end with the main characters overthrowing governments and religions and killing God itself.

They always call it politics and it's always bull****.

[Oliver_W]

Eh, I tend to judge others by my own standards; my engagement with "online fandom" is pretty limited.

[James]

They should have gone forward with the new characters only in the new films.

That would have saved the complaints of Luke acting out of character in Last Jedi, which weren't unreasonable because his story was supposed to have finished in Return of the Jedi.

However Disney wanted the nostalgia boost - Force Awakens to make 2 billion dollars instead of 1 billion, and no-one complained at the time about the originals coming back.

[Oliver_W]

I kind of think the opposite - Ep 7 should have been a "last hurrah" for the old cast. They should have all been there and been together, while introducing the new characters to the "world" of the Jedi and the Rebellion. During the story the various batons - Luke and Anakin's sabre, the Falcon, the Droids - should have been passed on,before either some heroic sacrifices or just something which lets the old characters step back and let the new ones carry on the trilogy.

[Oliver_W]

At the end of the day, would those same fans have hated Rose and Holdo if they were male characters? It would be disingenuous to say they would have been. At most, they would have been treated as forgettable,certainly not hated enough to completely bully the actors that would have played them.
Actually I'm gonna come back on this a bit :laugh:
Do you think people would be defending the characters if they were male?

Jake Lloyd's childhood was basically ruined by the backlash from his appearance in Phantom Menace, and I don't think that's ever talked about. Same with Jar Jar's actor, Ahmed Best, he actually considered suicide over the online abuse he was facing, and no-one said he should be left alone either.

[Nicky91]

had seen this on Sunday for first time

overall i had quite liked it, really liked the battle scenes myself


must also say Warning spoiler-heavy i really liked how they had ended Leia's storyline i mean it was a must due to Carrie's passing irl, but at least her death having made some sense to distract Kylo enough for Rey to stab him, also her curing him and that small cameo of Han Solo's ghost also made sense to make him Ben Solo again, and no longer Kylo Ren, i liked that part in the movie


but my overall score would be 9.0/10


side note, Billy Dee Williams looks still quite good despite his age of 83 :love:

[James]

side note, Billy Dee Williams looks still quite good despite his age of 83 :love:

They made it look like he was flirting with that girl at the end. :hehe:

[Smithy]

I just watched this for the first time last week and it was ****ing trash

Don’t know how anybody enjoyed it

[Nicky91]

They made it look like he was flirting with that girl at the end. :hehe:

i more had a thought like ''maybe for possible new material for an eventual spin off'' about this girl since she doesn't know where she is from

[user104658]

Jake Lloyd's childhood was basically ruined by the backlash from his appearance in Phantom Menace, and I don't think that's ever talked about. Same with Jar Jar's actor, Ahmed Best, he actually considered suicide over the online abuse he was facing, and no-one said he should be left alone either.

You do have a point when it comes to the SW franchise to be fair; the evidence that male actors wouldn't face backlash is... lacking. Hayden Christensen's career didn't come out of the prequel trilogy particularly well either, he was widely panned as Anakin.

The problem is that there's an almost cult-like extended SW fan base that goes back literally decades, and whenever that happens, you will see a lot of hatred mounting over perceived issues where it would be overlooked elsewhere. Star Wars especially is quite a divided fan base - half like the lore and extended universe and want to see those concepts and stories taken and run with in a more... modern... way (I personally fall into this category) - others are in it for the nostalgia and mainly looking to "recapture the originals". The results are mixed. I personally think the absolute worst of the new movies are when they come off as cheesy late 70's "family films" and I would VERY much welcome a darker, "15"-rated Star Wars story :flutter:. For me, personally, you could have cut BOTH Rose and Finn out of The Last Jedi - the entire subplot :worry:. It was only there for the "ye olde Star Wars" factor IMO and was a waste of screen time :shrug:. Finn was a good character in Episode VII but wasted after that.

This is probably why I much prefer SW video games to the movies... I like the lore a lot, I sort of intensely dislike the schlocky "let's recapture the original movies" stuff.

I also liked The Mandalorian and hope they continue in a similar direction with the other Disney+ stuff in future.

[Oliver_W]

Hayden Christensen's career didn't come out of the prequel trilogy particularly well either, he was widely panned as Anakin.
Well, quite. Maybe it's because people don't like things (they think) suck, instead of hating either gender :laugh:

I don't know or care if Rey is a "Mary Sue", I literally don't have an opinion either way. I do think her character is garbage because like I said before, her healing powers make Vader's fall to the dark side pointless, and she's waay overpowered compared to what had been established.

half like the lore and extended universe and want to see those concepts and stories taken and run with in a more... modern... way (I personally fall into this category)
I wonder what you mean by modern?

[LukeB]

This was great! Not as bad as the critics say and it’s not the worst star wars film some are saying. It was great watching it in 4DX as well.

re-watched it the other day and i still stand by this.

[user104658]

I wonder what you mean by modern?

The quality of Sci-fi blockbusters increased dramatically from the mid 80's onwards (granted, this is in part THANKS to Star Wars) and IMO the attempts to recapture the "feel" of the original trilogy results in something that's a bit too cheesy / "family fun" / twee for my liking. A few too many "high fives all round, gang!" moments. I dunno how to describe it. A bit "white picket fence"? :joker:

[user104658]

re-watched it the other day and I still stand by this.

Oh it's not the worst Star Wars, certainly. If you cut out the Telltale Games Leia and the nonsensical force twincest kiss at the end it's an OK watch - far better than Episode VIII at the very least. I just think it (the entire VII - IX trilogy) could have been something so much better :shrug:.

[user104658]

I do think her character is garbage because like I said before, her healing powers make Vader's fall to the dark side pointless, and she's waay overpowered compared to what had been established.

I agree with that, her ability as a Jedi makes no sense, jumps the shark massively. She has abilities comparable to Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Anakin in the prequel trilogy... who were trained for decades, from childhood, by other high-level Jedi. She should be more like Luke in the OG trilogy - i.e. an utterly pish Jedi in comparison to the "legendary" pre-Empire Jedi. She was fine in the first film and even the 2nd but in this one her abilities took a dramatic leap forward that was purely for plot convenience.

[Oliver_W]

The quality of Sci-fi blockbusters increased dramatically from the mid 80's onwards (granted, this is in part THANKS to Star Wars) and IMO the attempts to recapture the "feel" of the original trilogy results in something that's a bit too cheesy / "family fun" / twee for my liking. A few too many "high fives all round, gang!" moments. I dunno how to describe it. A bit "white picket fence"? :joker:

ha, I can get that.

To be fair, the Prequels had a different feel to the Originals too.

[Oliver_W]

I agree with that, her ability as a Jedi makes no sense, jumps the shark massively. She has abilities comparable to Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan/Anakin in the prequel trilogy... who were trained for decades, from childhood, by other high-level Jedi. She should be more like Luke in the OG trilogy - i.e. an utterly pish Jedi in comparison to the "legendary" pre-Empire Jedi. She was fine in the first film and even the 2nd but in this one her abilities took a dramatic leap forward that was purely for plot convenience.
Even in the first one she was a touch overpowered, she pulled the lightsabre from the snow, which Luke struggled with in Empire. she also did an Obi Wan mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper, which Luke only ever did to Bib Fortuna in VI

[user104658]

ha, I can get that.

To be fair, the Prequels had a different feel to the Originals too.

Well, that's the thing; the prequels feel like movies made in the late 90's - early 00's... which they are. The sequels feel like they're playing dress-up as early 80's sci-fi "but with modern effects" and while I think it was fun for Episode VII, they should have moved on after that and stopped trying to play to nostalgia. If anything they doubled down on it in IX.

[user104658]

Even in the first one she was a touch overpowered, she pulled the lightsabre from the snow, which Luke struggled with in Empire. she also did an Obi Wan mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper, which Luke only ever did to Bib Fortuna in VI

Right, but she wasn't cutting TIE Fighters in half! Plus they tried to explain it as her having been trained by Leia... who was briefly trained as an adult.. by Luke... who was VERY briefly trained by a couple of actual Jedi.

In the prequels they made such a big deal of it being imperative for Jedi to be started really young to reach their potential, they thought Anakin was too old at like 8 :think:... but now apparently you can just learn it all in a couple of years, from someone who learned it from their brother, who was never formally trained. D:

[Oliver_W]

All this could have been covered if Palpy said something about his bloodline being very powerful in the Force, or even that he was remotely helping her out so she'd be stronger when he was ready to use her...

[user104658]

even that he was remotely helping her out so she'd be stronger when he was ready to use her...

Palpatine secretly transferring force "power ups" to Rey across the galaxy would have been an amazing twist :joker: