If It Is Such A Bad Word... (and related threads merged)

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Yes it is a bad word... so why is it being used in today's music?... I think everyone has blown this all out of proportion. She said it in a joking way and she's obviously heard it from this music... so it isn't her fault at all. All this is, is Big Brother acting upon what happened in CBB5 well BB it's a little too late to be acting upon what happened with Jade and Shilpa. I think Emily should be put back in as I feel she was robbed out of a chance of winning the show. And everyone wonders why people are saying the show should be cancelled... well I personally think it should no longer be shown on Channel 4 because they obviously don't know how to deal with these issues properly as Emily should have only recieved a warning. And why is Charley so BRAIN DEAD!... If anyone watched BBBM you would have seen Charley going on about how she would be in the paper. She needs to be evicted and quick! I think this will be talked about for ages but I do hope people don't look back on this series like they did with CBB5.

[ttw]

yes it's true, there is an issue about it being used in music, but at the same time, what white rapper uses it?? by being used in black music it does run the risk of non black people using the word and feeling it is okay to use the word... BUT IT IS NOT. regardless whether it is used by rappers!

so that is no excuse.

[Camomile]

It's a global question.It's philosophy,everyone has his own nowadays.:rolleyes:

[Shaun]

For black people to have acceptable words, that are unacceptable for white people to use, is discriminatory in itself.

[Gap]

I don't think it has been blown out of proportion. Like I've said a million times tonight, had they not acted the show would be in deep ****. Anyway I'm sick of discussing this so goodnight :)

[Psylocke]

Just because it is being used by rap artists to be cool,does not make it right.

[Jimboy69]

Right. The 'N' word is an awful word. And yes used in the context of race hate it is is a horrendous word. But I saw the footage, It was not meant in that way. This whole thing has become an utter embarressment. Everyone jumping on Emily's back just because they can. And I'm sorry but Charley really milked the situation, and sold Emily, who was becoming her friend down the river.

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Well then sorry it should be unacceptable for everyone then!

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

What a *******ed up world we live in:puzzled:

[ttw]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
For black people to have acceptable words, that are unacceptable for white people to use, is discriminatory in itself.

Are u serious??!

so u think if black ppl use it white ppl should be able to use it also! no way!

and it is not just words, the word ****** derived from slavery and the majority of black ppl have a deep understanding of where it came from and what it means that non-black ppl dont, and cant.

it has become acceptable for black ppl to use it among themselves, whether this is a correct thing or not, it is totally seperated from the issue of white ppl using it!!

[Blink_Me]

There was no need to say it. Why say it? And to a black girl nonetheless.

You're saying it wasn't her fault? Who was at fault for it? Charley? Nikki? Nope. It didn't come from their mouths, it came from her mouth. Because she's heard in music, doesn't mean she can go around saying as she pleases.

[Dan_]

Just the use of that word is bad enough in my view, you cannot just use that term in a joking way because of the severe meaning of it.It was used out of pure ignorance and seemed to come out all too easily for my liking.

Charley has every right to feel upset, shocked and annoyed by it.

[Rory]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
For black people to have acceptable words, that are unacceptable for white people to use, is discriminatory in itself.
I agree. If we all want to back away from the days of slavery, why is it still used in society today?

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by bugsy2301
For black people to have acceptable words, that are unacceptable for white people to use, is discriminatory in itself.

Are u serious??!

so u think if black people use it white people should be able to use it also! no way!

and it is not just words, the word ni**er derived from slavery and the majority of black people have a deep understanding of where it came from and what it means that non-black people dont, and cant.

it has become acceptable for black people to use it among themselves, whether this is a correct thing or not, it is totally seperated from the issue of white people using it!!

I'm saying black people shouldn't use it, thank you very much.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
Right. The 'N' word is an awful word. And yes used in the context of race hate it is is a horrendous word. But I saw the footage, It was not meant in that way. This whole thing has become an utter embarressment. Everyone jumping on Emily's back just because they can. And I'm sorry but Charley really milked the situation, and sold Emily, who was becoming her friend down the river.

SOLD emily. she had every right to. what gives emily the right to think she can say that to Charley and feel its acceptable!! what a joke.

[~SAMZ~]

its offensive what ever context its used in

[Blink_Me]

Originally posted by ~SAMZ~
its offensive what ever context its used in

Spot on. Nobody should be using it, especially white people.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Blink_Me
Originally posted by ~SAMZ~
its offensive what ever context its used in

Spot on. Nobody should be using it, especially white people.

No, that's not fair. If there's equality, then there's no "especially white people" - it's equally bad to be used by anyone. Full stop.

[MummyJens01]

I dont think the word should be used by anyone, whether it be a white person, black person or a rainbow couloured person!
The word is discriminitive! But..... the context it was said in wasn't meant to be a racist way!

[Razmataz]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Just because it is being used by rap artists to be cool,does not make it right.

I completely agree, 'white' guys roll around listening to 50 'pence' all the time, and think it's cool. But if they said it to an actual person, they'd not be so 'COOL'.

[nodisharmony]

It does get used in Rap music all of the time, I do agree.

But, Big Brother have a rule-book & regardless of rap music or any other excuse, they had no choice but to evict Emily.

The thought of Emily coming back into the BB house is an impossible one & I can see much trouble coming Emily's way, sooner than you think:sad:






nodisharmony :angel:

[Psylocke]

If somone called me "Fag" after 5 days of knowing me i would be highly offended as would many viewers.

It seems alot of you are desensized to these disgusting words,you think you can use them flippantly.You CANT.

there disgusting and should never be used either jokingly,flippantly or any other way.

[Razmataz]

Originally posted by Psylocke
If somone called me "Fag" after 5 days of knowing me i would be highly offended as would many viewers.

It seems alot of you are desensized to these disgusting words,you think you can use them flippantly.You CANT.

there disgusting and should never be used either jokingly,flippantly or any other way.

I agree completely. Emily used it as if it was natural to her, when really an 'Indie' girl wouldn't be defined using the 'N' word.

[Psylocke]

Black people use it because it was turning a word white people used against them into somthing of theres,after years of torture.

All you people talking about black and whites both being able to use this word.DO yourself a favour and actually do some history on wikipedia etc on this word.

The word should NEVER be uttered from a white man or womans lips again.

[Razmataz]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Black people use it because it was turning a word white people used against them

All you people talking about black and whites both being able to use this word.DO yourself a favour and actually do some history on wikipedia etc on this word.

The word should NEVER be uttered from a white man or womans lips again.



I hate to stamp on your parade, Wikipedia isn't a reliable source even though your point is correct and I agree with it.

Knowing Wiki they probably see a 'N' as a white boy? :rolleyes:

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ttw
The way in which black people and white people understand that word is different.
Therefore there is a difference in who is saying it.

and mr.'someone called me a white boy but u didnt c me crying' (not that it may not b offensive) but how about bcos the word white boy wasnt derived from slavery and used to supress your race for years and years

That's irrelevant - if you know the meaning of it and say it to another black person: surely it brings back terrible connotations, and you all then sit down and think about what you've said?

No, it's made out to be a jokey term, completely the opposite to the meaning if a white/other race uses it. It's absurd. If you don't like the word, don't use it.

[Psylocke]

Yeah sorry wiki is a rubbish source,but you know what i mean.people should just look up the history of the word before they comment.



i bet if lesley or another unpretty housemate said "N***er" all the emily fans would be up in arms.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Black people use it because it was turning a word white people used against them into somthing of theres,after years of torture.

All you people talking about black and whites both being able to use this word.DO yourself a favour and actually do some history on wikipedia etc on this word.

The word should NEVER be uttered from a white man or womans lips again.



exactly!! NEVER should i white person say it.

although some black ppl dont agree with saying it themselves, alot of them use it as a way of turning around a word used against them by white ppl for years into a term of endearment AMONG THEMSELVES to take the power away from the way in which it was originally used.

[Razmataz]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Yeah sorry wiki is a rubbish source,but you know what i mean.people should just look up the history of the word before they comment.



i bet if lesley or another unpretty housemate said "N***er" all the emily fans would be up in arms.

You see if Lesley said something like that, people would be in more shock but because it's some undereducated teen [prediction probably not reality]..people don't 'shockfactor' as much.

[Jimboy69]

Fair play bugsy.

[Blink_Me]

And she should realise that there are millions of people watching this show. She was saying, "people know what I'm like. I didn't mean it in that way." How the heck do we know that? Millions of people don't know her personally. We don't know if she was messing around or not.

[Jimboy69]

The N word's original meaning is an awful one.

But we live in a world of 'equality' (apparently) And I believe either no one should be able to use this word or everyone should. Because otherwise this problem is just going to keep arising.


She didn't use it in a rascist sense you all know this. So stop talking utter bollocks. Quentin Tarantino uses it in the same sense Black people do. Sam Jackson even once said 'Quentin's allowed to use it.'

Why? Why is quentin Tarantino allowed to use it? Just because he's using it in a non rascist sense (just like Emily) and because he's cool? what a joke.

No Emily should not be punished. Everyone makes mistakes. This was a tiny one, which could not have been blown out of proportion any more.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
The N word's original meaning is an awful one.

But we live in a world of 'equality' (apparently) And I believe either no one should be able to use this word or everyone should. Because otherwise this problem is just going to keep arising.


She didn't use it in a rascist sense you all know this. So stop talking utter ********. Quentin Tarantino uses it in the same sense Black people do. Sam Jackson even once said 'Quentin's allowed to use it.'

Why? Why is quentin Tarantino allowed to use it? Just because he's using it in a non rascist sense (just like Emily) and because he's cool? what a joke.

No Emily should not be punished. Everyone makes mistakes. This was a tiny one, which could not have been blown out of proportion any more.

Why do you keep ignoring the point that she said she has used it back at home several times, it's clearly something she's at ease with saying and not just a slip of the tongue.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
The N word's original meaning is an awful one.

But we live in a world of 'equality' (apparently) And I believe either no one should be able to use this word or everyone should. Because otherwise this problem is just going to keep arising.


She didn't use it in a rascist sense you all know this. So stop talking utter ********. Quentin Tarantino uses it in the same sense Black people do. Sam Jackson even once said 'Quentin's allowed to use it.'

Why? Why is quentin Tarantino allowed to use it? Just because he's using it in a non rascist sense (just like Emily) and because he's cool? what a joke.

No Emily should not be punished. Everyone makes mistakes. This was a tiny one, which could not have been blown out of proportion any more.

no thats wrong that QT uses it,unless he is using it in his art.

I bet you have no relation to discrimination of any kind do you.Because if you did you would understand why this is such a important and terrible situation.

[Blink_Me]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
The N word's original meaning is an awful one.

But we live in a world of 'equality' (apparently) And I believe either no one should be able to use this word or everyone should. Because otherwise this problem is just going to keep arising.


She didn't use it in a rascist sense you all know this. So stop talking utter ********. Quentin Tarantino uses it in the same sense Black people do. Sam Jackson even once said 'Quentin's allowed to use it.'

Why? Why is quentin Tarantino allowed to use it? Just because he's using it in a non rascist sense (just like Emily) and because he's cool? what a joke.

No Emily should not be punished. Everyone makes mistakes. This was a tiny one, which could not have been blown out of proportion any more.

Emily said directly to Charley. Tarantino is not directly saying it to his cast.l

[Jimboy69]

I wasn't ignoring it- I don't think it matters. I know people who are black who have white friends who use the N word. And it is not used in a rascist way. Being P.C all the time does not make you a good person. I have nothing against any other race, but I think this whole thing is a joke.

Because I know that every time Emily has used has been in a non rascist way, isn't that all that matters? Black people use it in a non rascist way. But Emily's not allowed to because she's white, and because A bunch of dead white people started using it as a rascist term. Can't you all see how stupid this is?

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
I wasn't ignoring it- I don't think it matters. I know people who are black who have white friends who use the N word. And it is not used in a rascist way. Being P.C all the time does not make you a good person. I have nothing against any other race, but I think this whole thing is a joke.

Because I know that every time Emily has used has been in a non rascist way, isn't that all that matters? Black people use it in a non rascist way. But Emily's not allowed to because she's white, and because A bunch of dead white people started using it as a rascist term. Can't you all see how stupid this is?

this is NOT about being P.C,Its about being RESPECTFUL to another culture.

[Jimboy69]

'I bet you have no relation to discrimination of any kind do you.Because if you did you would understand why this is such a important and terrible situation. ' What do you mean by relation to?

Quentin Tarantino uses the n word normally, and he's used it in his films yes.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
I wasn't ignoring it- I don't think it matters. I know people who are black who have white friends who use the N word. And it is not used in a rascist way. Being P.C all the time does not make you a good person. I have nothing against any other race, but I think this whole thing is a joke.

Because I know that every time Emily has used has been in a non rascist way, isn't that all that matters? Black people use it in a non rascist way. But Emily's not allowed to because she's white, and because A bunch of dead white people started using it as a rascist term. Can't you all see how stupid this is?

The "bunch of dead white ppl" may be of no relevance to you today, but to black ppl it is mainly as bcos of those "dead white people" millions of black ppl were tortured killed raped kept as slaves, and as a result of slavery it still effects black ppl in TODAYS society!

[Jimboy69]

Yes TTW I know all that well. What I'm saying is The white people who are alive today are not to blame.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
Yes TTW I know all that well. What I'm saying is The white people who are alive today are not to blame.

Whose blaming them?

Still doesnt give them the right to use a racist word does it.

[Jimboy69]

Do you believe there should be equality? If so then no one should say it. Lets bury it once and for all. But of course that's not going to happen. So this problem will probs never be resolved

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
I wasn't ignoring it- I don't think it matters. I know people who are black who have white friends who use the N word. And it is not used in a rascist way. Being P.C all the time does not make you a good person. I have nothing against any other race, but I think this whole thing is a joke.

Because I know that every time Emily has used has been in a non rascist way, isn't that all that matters? Black people use it in a non rascist way. But Emily's not allowed to because she's white, and because A bunch of dead white people started using it as a rascist term. Can't you all see how stupid this is?

It's ignorance then, what justification has she actually got for using that word? there is not one! it's a racist term with a horrible meaning behind and it causes offence.

Nobody should be using that disgusting word.There's nothing funny about it.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Psylocke
ttw i dont think we can argue with plain ignorance,this little boy will grow up thinking he can use these disgusting words and one day get himself in serious trouble.

Are you referring to me? If anything, I'm most against 'these disgusting words'! I'm not making excuses for Emily! I think that what she said was horrible!

Btw - sorry to have a go if it wasn't me, I'm just a little confused, lol. :angel:

[ttw]

Originally posted by Jimboy69
Do you believe there should be equality? If so then no one should say it. Lets bury it once and for all. But of course that's not going to happen. So this problem will probs never be resolved

You just dont understand. Under no circumstance do white ppl have the right or justification to use it bcos it is a racist word used against black ppl.

By black ppl using it tho, amongst themselves, it does not cause offense as it is used as a term of endearment bcos they have turned the word round to be used among themselves to take the power out of its original meaning, and they know among themselves that they are not using it to cause offense or discrimination or hurt. Whereas if it becomes allowed among white people it destroys the whole meaning for black ppl as white ppl simply cannot share the understanding of what it is to be black and ancestors of black ppl used for slavery

[Jimboy69]

I'm trying to be fair. Yes it is an awful word. And yes it blatantly is ignorance on her part. She didn't mean it in a racist way. And so She should be forgiven. **** it, she's been punished. End of.

[InTheHood]

It didn't offend me as such as Emily is stupid. I can't take a stupid person seriously.

However, Charley's decision to continue it, did.

People call me malteser head (because i'm black and bald) which I think is quite amusing.

Admittedly it's only people that know me, and that's probably the issue here, not what she said, but she said it to someone she had no idea how they would take it.

BB have to be even if everything they do, so Charley's imitation of Chanelle's northern voice should also be brought up, as was the immitation of Shilpa's in CBB7.

All this is, is one big setup, to make BB look like they are dealing with the issue of racism, after they were severely warned after the Shilpa incident.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by ttw
"exclusive/snobbish" Im sorry but i dont find the fact that the word ni**er was used against my ancestors and as part of slavery a thing Im happy about as if it was some private golf club!

JUST BCOS IT IS USED IN MUSIC BY BLACK RAPPERS DOES NOT GIVE WHITE people THE RIGHT TO USE IT!!!!

I asked u if ur black bcos u said this - "if you know the meaning of it and say it to another black person: surely it brings back terrible connotations, and you all then sit down and think about what you've said?"

as you are not black u do not understand what it means, feels like to have the word said to u therefore u cannot comment on what "terrible connotations" it may or may not bring back, because it was not your race that was put thru slavery.

"JUST BCOS IT IS USED IN MUSIC BY BLACK RAPPERS DOES NOT GIVE WHITE people THE RIGHT TO USE IT!!!!"
I know, that's what I said...

I understand what you're saying. I know it's a horrible word, I know the history of the word, it's a sensitive issue. I'll drop it now because this really isn't going anywhere, and I'm tired :tongue:

Thanks for the interesting discussion :spin2:

[InTheHood]

Originally posted by ttw


JUST BCOS IT IS USED IN MUSIC BY BLACK RAPPERS DOES NOT GIVE WHITE people THE RIGHT TO USE IT!!!!


I think you are right and wrong.

As a black man, I think it is wrong for ANYONE to use it, not just white people.

As far as i'm concerned, if someone doesn't do something, then it's not encouraging another person to do so.

[ttw]

Originally posted by InTheHood
Originally posted by ttw


JUST BCOS IT IS USED IN MUSIC BY BLACK RAPPERS DOES NOT GIVE WHITE people THE RIGHT TO USE IT!!!!


I think you are right and wrong.

As a black man, I think it is wrong for ANYONE to use it, not just white people.

As far as i'm concerned, if someone doesn't do something, then it's not encouraging another person to do so.

I do understand what u are saying too.
Ofcourse it has got to a point now where others will think it is acceptable to use because black ppl do. The difference is I can understand why black ppl have come to use it.

The point im trying to get accross , as some ppl seem to think it true, is that just because black ppl use it , it does not excuse white ppl from using it as the way black ppl do use it has its own reasons in which white ppl cannot identify

[InTheHood]

Originally posted by ttw

I do understand what u are saying too.
Ofcourse it has got to a point now where others will think it is acceptable to use because black people do. The difference is I can understand why black people have come to use it.

The point Im trying to get accross , as some people seem to think it true, is that just because black people use it , it does not excuse white people from using it as the way black people do use it has its own reasons in which white people cannot identify

It's very true, but black people don't educate the white people about this and when the white people try to understand, they get told where to go.

I hear black people dissing white people and so on and so on.

I'm not from the culture in UK or US, so i'm not part of it. In Holland, the black culture is very much different. Plus I am not THAT young anymore - 30+, so when I was young, the likes of 50 Cent etc were not around. Instead it was incredibly weak black messages in the 80's

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by Big_Brother_Nutter
What a *******ed up world we live in:puzzled:

You're not wrong there. The issue of blacks gettign away with the, ahem, N-word and other colours not getting away with it is the least of our worries though.

[gohan2091]

First of all I think this is the biggest load of sh** I have ever seen. How sad, that humans can get offended by one word... how weak we really are. This is childish behaviour, and it reminds me of the school playground. "Miss, someone called me stupid". We are grown ups now, we should act more mature but we don't, we act like children. What happened to the saying we all teach our kids? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"... really.

Emily knew the rules and she broke them, thats clear. It's also clear that she didn't mean this to happen but what's done is done. I don't agree that she should of been booted from the house, Channel Four did this because it would be far easier than dealing with legal issues like last time. A warning in my opinion would of been more appropriate.

Big Brother is more to blame than Emily. Why on earth did Big Brother show this? 24 hour a day video and they selected this clip to put on the main show for the world to see. I expected Channel Four to handle it better than this. I am sure some people watched the live recordings when Emily said the N word but it wouldn't of caused much trouble because the majority of BB fans wouldn't of seen it. A few complaints wouldn't of harmed anyone.

Charlie didn't take offense to the word when it was said but she didn't help the issue either by keep going on about it all day. I feel that she wanted it to become a bigger issue than it should of been... and it worked. I believe if Charlie said what she said when the N word was spoken by Emily and then left it as that, nothing would of happened but she had to keep going on about it, she made it a big deal.

Like a viewer said on Big Brother's Big Mouth, Chris Moyles says what some will consider abusive behavior to homosexuals almost everyday on Radio to millions of viewers, why isn't this stopped?. We got black and white rappers using the N word in music all the time, why isn't this stopped?. I have some friends who use the term towards white and black people. It's not right that it is allowed to be used in some situations but not others.

It seems that it is acceptable to be black and racist but disgraceful to be white and racist. If a black person called a white person a racist remark on TV, nothing would happen.... and that is fact.

[leegp]

Although I applaud Channel 4 for taking swift and decisive action in the latest BB race row, I can't help but think that the hard-line they took on Emily was more about saving face after the celebrity Big Brother debacle, than dealing with the problem of racism in a calm and measured approach.

White people cannot ever truly understand what it feels like when a black person hears the word '******', but most well educated white people over a certain age can understand that it is a word that causes great offence. Heck, even the most embittered of racist people usually know that using that word in public is a big no no.

And herein lies the problem with Emily. At 19 years of age, she is a girl that has grown up in a Britain that is very different from how Britain was even 20 years ago. She has grown up in a country and a generation that is far more accepting and inclusive of other cultures.

Black comedians, rappers and characters in film use the word ****** freely (the more you use a word of this nature afterall, the more the word loses its power and its meaning in the original context). Southpark used the word 42 times in a recent episode, not to shock, but to highlight a positive message as to why the word can cause offence and why ignorance is not a reason we should be tolerant of its use, but neither is it a reason we should ban or overly censor its use.

Cut to 'Shaun of the Dead', arguably one of the best British comedies in recent history. In it you will see a scene where Nick Frosts jolly, lovable character greets Simon Pegg and others with the words "What's up my *******?". Should this have been censored because it may have caused offence to some of the audience? Or should it be taken in context? Certainly I don't remember anyone walking out of the cinema, shocked by the use of such a word. Nor do I remember the film getting any complaints for the scene.

Emily is guilty of ignorance, not of racism, something Channel 4 bosses are eager to point out. They were also eager to point out that they did not want to 'hang Emily out to dry' and that is why they felt it was important to air the whole 'event' in a specially extended programme. If they really had Emily's best interests at heart, I find it astonishing that she was awoken at 3.30 in the morning to be called to the Diary Room to give her side of the story. I think she was genuinely shocked when told she would be leaving the house immediately. Asking a barely coherent housemate to justify her case at 3.30am, only to then be shown the door smacks of panic on behalf of the BB bosses. They needed to act quickly, before the media got hold of the story and the whole thing spiralled out of control (again). So in the end, 'hanging her out to dry', is exactly what Channel 4 decided to do.

Should ignorance be forgiven? Stephen Amos, who later appearead on Big Brother's Big Mouth to discuss the incident, seems to think not. As did the majority of his peers, who applauded Channel 4 for taking the appropriate action. But it was interesting to note that several of the younger black people in the audience, believed that kicking her out for 'trying to be a gangster wannabe' was a little too harsh.

I think Amos is wrong, I think in this instance Emily's ignorance should not just be forgiven, I think it should be celebrated. Because if all she was naively trying to do was ingratiate herself with two fellow housemates that she saw as equals - irrespective of the colour of their skin - then I believe her generation has something to be proud of, because it means that people like Richard Pryor and Lenny Bruce have achieved exactly what they set out to do all those years ago, when they boldy walked out and first uttered the N word onstage.

[Smeggypants]

Originally posted by gohan2091
First of all I think this is the biggest load of sh** I have ever seen. How sad, that humans can get offended by one word... how weak we really are. This is childish behaviour, and it reminds me of the school playground. "Miss, someone called me stupid". We are grown ups now, we should act more mature but we don't, we act like children. What happened to the saying we all teach our kids? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"... really.

I agree it's ridiculous.

YOu can be offensive by saying "Go and have intercourse with your mother!" yet if you say "****! I've bacnged my elbow!" then that is considered bad and get's censored.




Emily knew the rules and she broke them, thats clear. It's also clear that she didn't mean this to happen but what's done is done. I don't agree that she should of been booted from the house, Channel Four did this because it would be far easier than dealing with legal issues like last time. A warning in my opinion would of been more appropriate.

Big Brother is more to blame than Emily. Why on earth did Big Brother show this? 24 hour a day video and they selected this clip to put on the main show for the world to see. I expected Channel Four to handle it better than this. I am sure some people watched the live recordings when Emily said the N word but it wouldn't of caused much trouble because the majority of BB fans wouldn't of seen it. A few complaints wouldn't of harmed anyone.

Indeed. but Endemol won't miss a chance of mationwide publicity. By making the most of it and kicking EMily out they both get publicity to bnoost the ratings and are shown to be 'good eggs' by acting responsibly.

It's all about £££££££££££££ that's all. Otherwise it was nothing.









Charlie didn't take offense to the word when it was said but she didn't help the issue either by keep going on about it all day. I feel that she wanted it to become a bigger issue than it should of been... and it worked. I believe if Charlie said what she said when the N word was spoken by Emily and then left it as that, nothing would of happened but she had to keep going on about it, she made it a big deal.


Charley makes everythig a big deal.


Like a viewer said on Big Brother's Big Mouth, Chris Moyles says what some will consider abusive behavior to homosexuals almost everyday on Radio to millions of viewers, why isn't this stopped?. We got black and white rappers using the N word in music all the time, why isn't this stopped?. I have some friends who use the term towards white and black people. It's not right that it is allowed to be used in some situations but not others.

Again this is a big deal because of publicity £££££££££££££. The whle Jade-Shilpa thing was a publicity stunt.

Big Brother is a multi-million ££ business. Things happen for ££££. There is no such thing as reality TV. It's important to remember this while we are being entertained. :)

[leegp]

Endemol won't miss a chance of mationwide publicity. By making the most of it and kicking EMily out they both get publicity to bnoost the ratings and are shown to be 'good eggs' by acting responsibly.


I don't think it was about publicity this time, I think in acting the way they did, they effectively killed the story dead, before the press could make too much of it. Which is a pity, because killing it dead by booting her out at 3.30am, didn't really give her much of a chance to apologise or give her side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I think they would have liked to have milked it for everything it was worth (as they did with CBB), but this time it was more about covering their arses for when Ofcom came knocking, and protecting their sponsors.

[Revol]

I find it a joke how some many people are actually JUSTIFYING the use of one of the most offensive words you can think of. So what if black people use it? (Which, by the way they started using as a sign of pride against the people who discriminated against them) So what if she wasn't being malicious? You DON'T say that word, especially to a black girl. People in this topic are just being blinkered and ignorant, and need to actually do some research instead of justifying it with a silly argument.

[Foebane100]

The problem is it is being used by too many ill-informed people of all types. It is offensive or it isn't.

[Red Moon]

BLACK PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SAY IT ..
..WHITE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SAY IT ..NO ONE SHOULD EVER UTTER THE N-WORDIS it ever OK to use the n-word? In a word NO. To put it into some kind of context, the origin of the word n***er dates back hundreds of years.

It's how the slave masters referred to black people. You can't get more insulting than that. It's one of the worst things you can say to a black person.

I don't know Emily from Big Brother who used the n-word, so can't say if she's racist, but I will say she made a racist comment.

But confusingly it is a word you hear on the streets of Britain, and not always with a negative meaning.

As such it's an import from United States street culture, from the language and lyrics of hip-hop and rap stars.

We're talking about international stars, so everything they say and do will influence fans.

Street culture from the US has a massive impact across the world. In Britain it's not just black kids in London's Hackney or Manchester's Cheetham Hill who are into it, but also white kids in Norwich and Cornwall.

And so the rap stars' use of the word is heard and copied by Emily and her friends sipping Pimms in Bristol - and that's where the problem comes about.

Fifteen years ago we would say she was definitely being racist, because only racists used the word. Now there's the confusion because rap stars say it.

The trouble is when rap stars use it they're not being derogatory, yet it's a very derogatory term.

Personally I would rather they find another term of endearment.

Black people call each other cuz, bro or fam, for family, so why can't we use one of those words instead?

Any one of these effectively means the same thing, and then the n-word is out there on its own. The n-word is never vital to a rhyme or rap. And if that's the case, then find another word.

AFTER she called Charley a n***er, Emily claims she was joking and insisted it wasn't a big deal. It's a very big deal.

The teenager claims she uses the word at home with her black friends. And she says her housemate Charley had already used the word first to describe herself.

If that's true perhaps Big Brother should have put Charley on a warning or even thrown her out as well.

But if you call yourself a n***er, then why can't other people call you it too?

Obviously that would be wrong, but it's just another example of the confusion surrounding the n-word. And there's a lot of confusion.

Is the word itself bad? Is it only bad when used by white people? Or just when it's used against black people?

The simple way through this minefield is not to use it. For Emily to ask why it was a problem for her to use the word, shows there's confusion.

White people should certainly never use the word.

And if they do, then they have to take what comes with it, as Emily has done.

It's even spelled differently when black people use the word.

We say "n***a" or "n***az" but a white person can only ever say "n***ers".

The bottom line is it's always been a word of terrible abuse.

Then a couple of decades ago, comedians and rappers in the black community started using the word.

Their argument was they were claiming it for the black community.

"If I call myself n***er it doesn't matter if you call me n***er too," they'd say.

The idea was to lessen the insult, reduce the blow and effectively water down its impact so it wouldn't matter when used as an insult. But, of course, it still does.

THE comedian Chris Rock put together a routine when he talked about black people and an underclass of "n***as".

He said: "Who's more racist? Black people or white people? "Black people... You know why? 'Cause we hate black people too.

"Everything white people don't like about black people, black people really don't like about black people.

"There's like a civil war goin' on with black people. And there are two sides - there's black people, and there's n***as. And n***as have got to go."

Since then Rock's sworn never to do the routine again because racists thought it gave them the licence to use the word n***er.

That's what I'm saying. Emily says she hears it all the time on records. If it's never used, then there's no chance of it being misconstrued. After all it is a very racist and abusive word.

At school I was called a n***er once. I went to quite a mixed primary school, then a secondary school where black people were more of a minority.

When it happened I remember thinking, "He can't call me that!"

I was surprised at why anyone would want to be so offensive.

I was 11 at the time and if I was going to insult someone I'd probably have said they had bad breath.

I later found out the kid who said it came from a notoriously racist part of town, so it wasn't really surprising. But I was from Hackney and not used to that kind of talk.

Let's put it this way, I let him know he should never use that term again to anyone.

Now I have a child myself and I'm always looking at things like a dad. How do you explain to a young person the difference between a white person saying n***er and a black person saying n***a?

I have many friends in mixed race relationships and they have children. How confusing is it for them if it's OK for Daddy to say n***er to his friends but not all right for Mummy to say it?

The only way round it is for the n-word never to be used.

Let's consign it to the dustbin. Drop the word. Say no to the n-word.

SPOONY has asked for a donation to be made to the Golf Roots Foundation on his behalf.
Source: Daily Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/bigbrother/2007/06/08/black-people-shouldn-t-say-it----89520-19264638/)

[Amy]

Originally posted by Red Moon
BLACK PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SAY IT ..
..WHITE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SAY IT ..NO ONE SHOULD EVER UTTER THE N-WORD

I totally agree with that. Just don't say it fullstop.

[GiRTh]

It's a word that has a long history. As I've stated on other threads, I grew up hearing the word day in and day out and good luck to anyone who attempt to tell my mother to stop using the word. Trust me you'll need it.

It’s a word that has many meanings and the meanings have changed over the years. It used to be a word was used by white slave masters that derived from the word Negro. Over the years it has developed to a kind of black person who is despised by blacks and whites.

I have white friends who freely use the word in front of me. I also have white friends who refuse to use the word in front of me. It's their decision but due to that fact that I've explained the meaning and told them the impact of the word they have decided it best to abstain. Personally, I don't mind. I do, however, have white friends who will use the word in front of me but know not to use the word in front of a black person they do not know as well. This word is THAT sensitive.

My advice to white people is don’t use the word unless you have express permission to use it. It's a very contentious issue.

[sunlight]

i think this is stupid if charley had said something racist to emily and had been kicked out noone would cared. and by the way n**** is not an word only used in the past by white people to offend black people. my cousin was called a n***** last week by a white man on the bus after an arugement. please stop defending emily what is their to defend. on big mouth everybody said it was wrong. why can't some of you. how sad. ain't nothing changed. and i think a lot of good will come out of this i can see kids watching and knowing their are some things you can't say and if you do say it you get punished for it. you can't expell a child for using that word but not a grown woman. let's learn to have respect for everyone's culture it can't be that hard.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by GiRTh

My advise to white people is don't use the word unless you have express permission to use it. It's a ver contentious issue.

Should I ask express permission to view Chris Rocks stand up dvd's, or Richard Pryors ?

I'll quote Chris Rock if I may : "There are black men and there are n*****s, and I don't want to live near no n*****s"

Anyone who knows Chris Rock's work understands exactly what he means by that. In case anyone doesn't know Chris Rock - he is black, a stand up comedian and an actor

The word is also used as an insult by black people [I'll use Chris Rocks terms to best illustrate my point], so at what point does saying this word cease to be a "whites" only issue ?


I'll bang on about this til the cows come home - a word in and of itself is not racist, intent and context makes it racist.


Asking permission ??? - so, for instance you halt a party to ask permission to drunkenly sing along with a song that features certain words ??

This is just another step along society's path to the brink of collapse, we're either all equal or we are not.

If you wish to foist PC standards onto me, remember it goes both ways, but only one way is listened to in this country, only one way is actionable. The perfect climate for a backlash, and the scum of the BNP will be the only ones reaping the benefit and the reward

Come to think of it, calling me white could be construed as pretty damn offensive too, except for some albinos no-one is actually "white".

Caucasian is apparently the correct term.

When we decide who can and cannot use language under any and all circumstances, regardless of how benign those circumstances are - I suspect you will not enjoy the inevitable when it comes, and eventually it will. :sad:

[GiRTh]

A good post. But surely you understand what I'm trying to say. By the way, Chris Rock got into a lot of trouble for that routine within the black community. That routine is not the best one to quote.

My point is that the word is a very contentious word and my advise is don't use it.

From watching the footage, it was clear to me as a black man that Emily did not try and cause any offence. But the fact remains she should not have said it.

[GiRTh]

Also, the point of asking permission to sing a song with certain words in it is ridiculous. Of course no one is going to do that.

My point is that the word is a very sensitive word, it has many meanings, some of those meanings are highly offensive and be careful when you use it. you seem to be saying - I want to use this word why can't I Chris Rock uses it. Chris Rock can use the word because as black people we understand what he means. We don't understand what you mean when you use it.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by GiRTh
A good post. But surely you understand what I'm trying to say. By the way, Chris Rock got into a lot of trouble for that routine within the black community. That routine is not the best one to quote.

My point is that the word is a very contentious word and my advise is don't use it.

From watching the footage, it was clear to me as a black man that Emily did not try and cause any offence. But the fact remains she should not have said it.

This is an odd situation as on one hand, I am in complete agreement with those who say she had to be removed because she said it. the events of CBB5 made it a damned if I do damnned if I dont situation for C4

In the other hand I do not believe differentiating between one user of that word and another on grounds of ethnicity is going to do anything other than cause resentment against ethnic minorites.


I used the Chris Rock example specifically because he did get some flack from the black community in the US over it, but the thing is they understood exactly what he meant, as did I and I will surmise so did you when he used that word, he used it as an insult, which was my intent - though re-reading my post I did not make that clear, for which I apologise.

There are a number of prominent african americans who have spoken against the use of the word almost as a term of endearment, Chris Rock is one of them

My objection is simple, and apologies for the repetition, if it is the word itself that caused the offence and so the eviction, then she is not the only one who should be evicted.

Is equality to be more weighted against one ethnic group as opposed to another ? - thats a slippery road that leads, in this country, to the BNP and their ilk.

Thats a road I don't want to go down.

[ttw]

Originally posted by gohan2091
First of all I think this is the biggest load of sh** I have ever seen. How sad, that humans can get offended by one word... how weak we really are. This is childish behaviour, and it reminds me of the school playground. "Miss, someone called me stupid". We are grown ups now, we should act more mature but we don't, we act like children. What happened to the saying we all teach our kids? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"... really.


It seems that it is acceptable to be black and racist but disgraceful to be white and racist. If a black person called a white person a racist remark on TV, nothing would happen.... and that is fact.

This is why it is not right for white ppl to use the word, they have no idea of the meaning of the word, the word for them does not come with the same emotions. There is a massive difference between someone calling you stupid and someone calling you a ******. How foolish to think there is not.

And why are ppl saying black ppl use it against white ppl, that makes no sense what black person would call a white person a ******. I dnt even understand that.

And in what way is it acceptable to be black and racist, where have we seen a black person be racist and get away with it for you to make such a comment?

If a black person said to me 'Wats up my *****?' i would not b offended as I would know they are not trying to be offensive in the slightest, if a white person said to me 'Wats up my *****?' i would be shocked and confused as i would not know how they were trying to be, were they being racist? were they taking the piss?

[ttw]

Anyone would have a hard time finding many black ppl offended by Charley's use of the word.

[stella]

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[ukbandito]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
For black people to have acceptable words, that are unacceptable for white people to use, is discriminatory in itself.

For the above comment to have some form of truth about it this would suggest that 'black' people have 'power' in the white male hegemonistic British society. if anything, this is prejudice not discrimination. The N-Bomb is a historically vile word used by racists and pro-slavery peeps who didn't and don't know any better. BRAP!!! :mad:

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Originally posted by Blink_Me
And she should realise that there are millions of people watching this show. She was saying, "people know what I'm like. I didn't mean it in that way." How the heck do we know that? Millions of people don't know her personally. We don't know if she was messing around or not.

The tone of voice that she used when saying it indicated that she didn't mean it!

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by Jimboy69
Yes TTW I know all that well. What I'm saying is The white people who are alive today are not to blame.

Whose blaming them?

Still doesnt give them the right to use a racist word does it.

And it doesn't give black people the right to say it either... stop making this a one sided argument... they are just at fault as white people are!

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Originally posted by InTheHood
It didn't offend me as such as Emily is stupid. I can't take a stupid person seriously.

However, Charley's decision to continue it, did.

People call me malteser head (because i'm black and bald) which I think is quite amusing.

Admittedly it's only people that know me, and that's probably the issue here, not what she said, but she said it to someone she had no idea how they would take it.

BB have to be even if everything they do, so Charley's imitation of Chanelle's northern voice should also be brought up, as was the immitation of Shilpa's in CBB7.

All this is, is one big setup, to make BB look like they are dealing with the issue of racism, after they were severely warned after the Shilpa incident.

Thank god it isn't only me that see's this as one big setup!... Man you talk a lot of sense! :wink:

[easypeasy]

"The n-word is never vital to a rhyme or rap. And if that's the case, then find another word."
hmmmmm whats fiddy gonna use now that rhymes with "trigger" eh? lol

[Shaun]

Originally posted by easypeasy
"The n-word is never vital to a rhyme or rap. And if that's the case, then find another word."
hmmmmm whats fiddy going to use now that rhymes with "trigger" eh? lol

Bigger? :shrug:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by gohan2091
First of all I think this is the biggest load of sh** I have ever seen. How sad, that humans can get offended by one word... how weak we really are. This is childish behaviour, and it reminds me of the school playground. "Miss, someone called me stupid". We are grown ups now, we should act more mature but we don't, we act like children. What happened to the saying we all teach our kids? "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?"... really.

Emily knew the rules and she broke them, thats clear. It's also clear that she didn't mean this to happen but what's done is done. I don't agree that she should of been booted from the house, Channel Four did this because it would be far easier than dealing with legal issues like last time. A warning in my opinion would of been more appropriate.

Big Brother is more to blame than Emily. Why on earth did Big Brother show this? 24 hour a day video and they selected this clip to put on the main show for the world to see. I expected Channel Four to handle it better than this. I am sure some people watched the live recordings when Emily said the N word but it wouldn't of caused much trouble because the majority of BB fans wouldn't of seen it. A few complaints wouldn't of harmed anyone.

Charlie didn't take offense to the word when it was said but she didn't help the issue either by keep going on about it all day. I feel that she wanted it to become a bigger issue than it should of been... and it worked. I believe if Charlie said what she said when the N word was spoken by Emily and then left it as that, nothing would of happened but she had to keep going on about it, she made it a big deal.

Like a viewer said on Big Brother's Big Mouth, Chris Moyles says what some will consider abusive behavior to homosexuals almost everyday on Radio to millions of viewers, why isn't this stopped?. We got black and white rappers using the N word in music all the time, why isn't this stopped?. I have some friends who use the term towards white and black people. It's not right that it is allowed to be used in some situations but not others.

It seems that it is acceptable to be black and racist but disgraceful to be white and racist. If a black person called a white person a racist remark on TV, nothing would happen.... and that is fact. Oh dear. Oh my god. I'm not even replying to some one who makes so many contentious statements then runs from the forum. Come back if you want an answer and I will answer every single point you've raised here. Seriously, I have an answer for every single last point you've raised here. But will you listen?

[bananarama]

This argument over a word or words just shows how ridiculous and counter productive censorship is.

Point one. Banning the use of a word does not stop the user of the word thinking the way they do.....

Point two. A word can offend. Yes but only if you let it That is the choice of the listener.

This country has gone crazy.......People need to toughen up a bit and not rely on nanny state to protect them from mere words that any mature person would take on the chin and stop behaving like a bunch of crying babies because they heard something they don't like....

Censporship is one of the biggest offending actions that can be inflicted. Adults should be grown up enouhg to face adult situtaions.

Racism exists thats a fact of life like it or not. Banning the use of words won't get rid of racism it will only solidify people on one side of the fence or the other.


If words are allowed to be used freely then the meaning of words can be debted freely as things are debates are difficult because they are more likely to breaks down into arguments and insults.

[gohan2091]

GiRTh, I have not left the forum and done a run for it. Why would I? I came on here a few days ago and noticed my last 3 long posts (which you obviously didn't see) have been deleted, along with everyone elses and the thread was locked so yeah I left. I checked today and it's been reopen but my posts have not returned. I can't be bothered to retype what I said.

To the user who said calling someone stupid and calling them a ****** are very different .... my stupid example was for children. Children call each other stupid on the playground. This is the same concept to adults, just a different word used. So people are acting no different from children in this matter.

I appreciate that when a black people hear the word they feel more emotion than white people but where were you all when the word was first used? Those people many years ago who were slaves have a right to be offended but most of you here are new age people, the word shouldn't mean the same, the emotion shouldn't be as strong.

I agree with bananarama completely. We are adults, we should set an example to children around us, not cry when a word is used, whether its ******, or another word. If someone thinks something about you there is nothing you can do about it, banning a word won't change their mind. When someone calls you a name, whatever name that would be, you have two choices, you can either flip and show you have taken offense, of you can ignore that person. I prefer the latter because I know better, because I am a stronger than the person who said an offensive word.

Must I stress again the phrase many children are taught... "sticks and stones may brake my bones but words can't hurt me". I am not a completely white person, I am more black than white and my dad is full black.

I would like to ask all black people here, what the N word means to you personally. Note, I am not asking what it means to the black community, I am asking for your own personal thoughts.

[ttw]

Originally posted by gohan2091


To the user who said calling someone stupid and calling them a ni**er are very different .... my stupid example was for children. Children call each other stupid on the playground. This is the same concept to adults, just a different word used. So people are acting no different from children in this matter.



Yes that was me. Ok, as an adult I understand where your coming from if the word was ****/wanker/prick... something along those lines. But the word ****** is in direct reference to your skin colour, picking you out because of the colour of your skin and trait you cannot change.

Just because there is no slavery now, does not mean the word does not get used for the same effect it was before. Just because this is the year 2007 does not mean racists don't exist, does not mean that black people do not come across barriers and situations in which they are still not accepted because of the colour of their skin.

We shouldn't have to just sit back and accept it.

[gohan2091]

Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by gohan2091


To the user who said calling someone stupid and calling them a ni**er are very different .... my stupid example was for children. Children call each other stupid on the playground. This is the same concept to adults, just a different word used. So people are acting no different from children in this matter.



Yes that was me. Ok, as an adult I understand where your coming from if the word was ****/wanker/prick... something along those lines. But the word ni**er is in direct reference to your skin colour, picking you out because of the colour of your skin and trait you cannot change.

Just because there is no slavery now, does not mean the word does not get used for the same effect it was before. Just because this is the year 2007 does not mean racists don't exist, does not mean that black people do not come across barriers and situations in which they are still not accepted because of the colour of their skin.

We shouldn't have to just sit back and accept it.

I would like to ask you something. If the word ****** was used throughout the world like it is now but black people stood up and didn't react the way they do, how long would it take before the word ****** died out? People say things to one another for affect, to see how they react, people who are racist say the N word because they may get a buzz out of the recipients reaction. This is true, whatever the word being used is, whether its racist or not, its down to the recipients reaction. The recipient alone can stop a word being used in its tracks... just like that. It is immature of us to take offense over a single word. It happens in racisism, in bullying, in sexist, it happens everywhere.

Yes the word can be referred to as slavery, but come on people that doesn't happen now does it? and it hasn't happened for so long. No one here has been a victim of black slavery because none of you were born, why take offense now? Black and white are equal in every single way, accept that people. I appears I am stronger than most of you here, when a word is thrown at me, I ignore it, leaving the offender feeling like an idiot.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by gohan2091
GiRTh, I have not left the forum and done a run for it. Why would I? I came on here a few days ago and noticed my last 3 long posts (which you obviously didn't see) have been deleted, along with everyone elses and the thread was locked so yeah I left. I checked today and it's been reopen but my posts have not returned. I can't be bothered to retype what I said.

To the user who said calling someone stupid and calling them a ni**er are very different .... my stupid example was for children. Children call each other stupid on the playground. This is the same concept to adults, just a different word used. So people are acting no different from children in this matter.

I appreciate that when a black people hear the word they feel more emotion than white people but where were you all when the word was first used? Those people many years ago who were slaves have a right to be offended but most of you here are new age people, the word shouldn't mean the same, the emotion shouldn't be as strong.

I agree with bananarama completely. We are adults, we should set an example to children around us, not cry when a word is used, whether its ni**er, or another word. If someone thinks something about you there is nothing you can do about it, banning a word won't change their mind. When someone calls you a name, whatever name that would be, you have two choices, you can either flip and show you have taken offense, of you can ignore that person. I prefer the latter because I know better, because I am a stronger than the person who said an offensive word.

Must I stress again the phrase many children are taught... "sticks and stones may brake my bones but words can't hurt me". I am not a completely white person, I am more black than white and my dad is full black.


I would like to say support your logic a balanced and calm outlook...If only peolple would believe more in the sticks and stones saying we could all be a happier and uncensored nation together. As things are serious conflict of cultures and races is I think inevitable.... Sweeping what is unpleasant under the carpet does not get rid of the dirt it only creates more dirt.....

Banning words is exactly the same as hiding dirt...Expose it and eventually it blows away and diminshes to nothing worth while.


Those that complain about offensive words actually give those words more intensity and the chance to hurt.....It's like giving a film an X rating it will give it more intensity of interest.


Bad swear words used to saved for insulting someone now they are used in general conversation rightly or wrongly. They have lost their original intensity of meaning.

The attempt by the music world to neutralise the N word I think is a brave attempt to destroy the upset the word can cause.......Unfortunately those in a time warp of the past won't allow it to be put to bed.........

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

On another topic it says that Charley called Emily "Chalky" and called Chanelle "white trash" so is this really ok? See racism works both ways!! and if this is true then Charley should be removed as well and if she doesn't I will go f*@king crazy!!! :mad::mad::mad:
Write you views and comments here!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by gohan2091
GiRTh, I have not left the forum and done a run for it. Why would I? I came on here a few days ago and noticed my last 3 long posts (which you obviously didn't see) have been deleted, along with everyone elses and the thread was locked so yeah I left. I checked today and it's been reopen but my posts have not returned. I can't be bothered to retype what I said.

To the user who said calling someone stupid and calling them a ni**er are very different .... my stupid example was for children. Children call each other stupid on the playground. This is the same concept to adults, just a different word used. So people are acting no different from children in this matter.

I appreciate that when a black people hear the word they feel more emotion than white people but where were you all when the word was first used? Those people many years ago who were slaves have a right to be offended but most of you here are new age people, the word shouldn't mean the same, the emotion shouldn't be as strong.

I agree with bananarama completely. We are adults, we should set an example to children around us, not cry when a word is used, whether its ni**er, or another word. If someone thinks something about you there is nothing you can do about it, banning a word won't change their mind. When someone calls you a name, whatever name that would be, you have two choices, you can either flip and show you have taken offense, of you can ignore that person. I prefer the latter because I know better, because I am a stronger than the person who said an offensive word.

Must I stress again the phrase many children are taught... "sticks and stones may brake my bones but words can't hurt me". I am not a completely white person, I am more black than white and my dad is full black.

I would like to ask all black people here, what the N word means to you personally. Note, I am not asking what it means to the black community, I am asking for your own personal thoughts. Good Post.:thumbs:

You appreciate that the word has a history but in your original post you claimed that it was silly to be offended by a word. I beg to differ. This word is different. The original meaning is still highly offensive and when spoken to a black person by a white person it stirs up many years of resentment. It's not about sticks and stones it's about history. Many black people, myself included, are told of the struggles of our fathers. We're not allowed to forget what our ancestors went through so that we can have the opportunities we now have. That is why this words is still so offensive and that is why this discussion will still be going on in fifty years time.

Edit: I'll answer you last point in another post.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Big_Brother_Nutter
On another topic it says that Charley called Emily "Chalky" and called Chanelle "white trash" so is this really ok? See racism works both ways!! and if this is true then Charley should be removed as well and if she doesn't I will go f*@king crazy!!! :mad::mad::mad:
Write you views and comments here!


Unless we get confirmation and are actually shown the incidents then there is no point speculating about if or not she should go..........

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by gohan2091


Yes the word can be referred to as slavery, but come on people that doesn't happen now does it? and it hasn't happened for so long. No one here has been a victim of black slavery because none of you were born, why take offense now? Black and white are equal in every single way, accept that people. I appears I am stronger than most of you here, when a word is thrown at me, I ignore it, leaving the offender feeling like an idiot. This is like asking jews to get over the holocaust. It's about history and not about individual words.

[Big_Brother_Nutter]

Yeah but c'mon I understand what he means... it happened in the past and it won't happen again so get over it!... :bored:

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by gohan2091
I would like to ask all black people here, what the N word means to you personally. Note, I am not asking what it means to the black community, I am asking for your own personal thoughts. The N word is an incredibly sensitive subject. I grew up in a house where the word was used virtually everyday by my mother. She would use the word usually when she was annoyed with me or I had done something stupid. She'd say thing's like 'Open the door, ******'. That is how my mother speaks. . My father, on the other hand, never used the word. So, even within the black community there are people who simply do not use the words because they are offended by its use even in a playful way.

My closest friend, who is white and I’ve know since we were five, has used the word in my company. He has even called me this word in a playful way. I have no problem with this. We grew up together. I asked him last night if he’d ever use the word in front of my parents and he replied that he wouldn’t. I pushed it and he replied that he would never use the word in front of a black person who he did not know very well. He understands the word. He understands that it has several meanings and he would rather not put him self in an awkward position than claim his right to use the word.

This word is more than a name calling device. This word has a tremendous amount of history to it and I’d advise white people to be careful with their use if it

[gohan2091]

I wish I knew a lot about history but I don't so I can't give examples but I do know that black slavery etc isn't the only history the world has seen. I am sure there have been bad history in the past among people that has now died out, that is no longer present today because people have gotten over it and forgiven each other. Why can't this be the same in this situation? I urge someone who know history well to give me an example of that. I fail to believe every single conflict in the past hasn't been resolved completely today.

I don't believe these problems will last forever, I think in 50 or so years, this would have died out or at the very least, people aren't so sensitive about it. Just look at the last 20 years and today.... it's far less sensitive now than it was then, which shows as time goes on, this should die out.

Ok well the main point I am trying to make is be strong and don't act on the anger inside of you if someone calls you a name, whatever name that is, whether it has history or not. If people acted less on names and ignored it more, this wouldn't of happened. I feel really sorry for Emily, a word she uses jokingly with her friends has caused her to be booted from the house.

We all know though that racism is a 2 way thing but being only offensive towards the black community (history or not) is not fair.

[GiRTh]

The Jews have still not got over the holocaust.

Edit: Racism still exists in parts of the USA and this word is still used in it's original context. This issue will not go away until racism goes away.

[GiRTh]

Final point.

I don't know if you're aware of the 'Kramer incident'. Here's a link to Michael Richards Wiki page. Navigate down to the Laugh factory incident.

MIchael Richards (A.K.A. Kramer) WIKI page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_richards#Laugh_Factory_incident)

Here's the incident from You tube.

Kramer Meltdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UomfLKQr57U)

He is using the word in its original context. As long as people are still doing this, this discussion will continue. I

[GiRTh]

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[gohan2091]

My final point...

If the word causes offense then it shouldn't be spoken by anyone. Black people say it to black people and white people, white people say it to black and white people when its casual talk amongst friend. The word is moving away from meaning slavery and is becoming more casual amongst people. The definition is changing but I understand the history and I personally never use the word.

I can see over the history and accept it as just a word. Yes there are some people who use the word in it's original terms and I hate people who do that but Michael Richards isn't the majority of people. Emily was wrong to use the word but it's very clear to me she didn't mean to. What happened to housemate emily wouldn't of happened if it wasn't for celebrity big brother. Big Brother didn't have to show the footage of Emily saying the word, but Big Brother decided to which has made the situation worse than it really is.

When people say "only black people can use the term", I consider that sentance racist. With this attitude, racisism will never go away.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by gohan2091
My final point...

If the word causes offense then it shouldn't be spoken by anyone. Black people say it to black people and white people, white people say it to black and white people when its casual talk amongst friend. The word is moving away from meaning slavery and is becoming more casual amongst people. The definition is changing but I understand the history and I personally never use the word.

I can see over the history and accept it as just a word. Yes there are some people who use the word in it's original terms and I hate people who do that but Michael Richards isn't the majority of people. Emily was wrong to use the word but it's very clear to me she didn't mean to. What happened to housemate emily wouldn't of happened if it wasn't for celebrity big brother. Big Brother didn't have to show the footage of Emily saying the word, but Big Brother decided to which has made the situation worse than it really is.

When people say "only black people can use the term", I consider that sentance racist. With this attitude, racisism will never go away. Good post.:thumbs:
I agree with just about everything you say. I dont agree with the 'only black people can use the word' argument either. But, as I've posted on aother thread, white people should be very careful in using it.

[ttw]

Originally posted by gohan2091
I wish I knew a lot about history but I don't so I can't give examples but I do know that black slavery etc isn't the only history the world has seen. I am sure there have been bad history in the past among people that has now died out, that is no longer present today because people have gotten over it and forgiven each other. Why can't this be the same in this situation? I urge someone who know history well to give me an example of that. I fail to believe every single conflict in the past hasn't been resolved completely today.

I don't believe these problems will last forever, I think in 50 or so years, this would have died out or at the very least, people aren't so sensitive about it. Just look at the last 20 years and today.... it's far less sensitive now than it was then, which shows as time goes on, this should die out.

Ok well the main point I am trying to make is be strong and don't act on the anger inside of you if someone calls you a name, whatever name that is, whether it has history or not. If people acted less on names and ignored it more, this wouldn't of happened. I feel really sorry for Emily, a word she uses jokingly with her friends has caused her to be booted from the house.

We all know though that racism is a 2 way thing but being only offensive towards the black community (history or not) is not fair.

I understand what you say when you say be strong etc.
And yes slavery was a long time ago, but to simply say to get over it, is I'm afraid not that simple.

Many issues within the black community are there because of the effects of slavery. Maybe you should do some reading to help you understand better, there are some good books out there.

The fact that my father, uncles & aunties, grandparents and great grandparents, who are all still alive, have experienced racism in a way even I couldn't understand, who have been called ******* by white people, is what makes me stand up and say something about it and not accept it even if it was not meant in a malicious way, whether black people use it themselves or not, I am not going to take this as an excuse or justification.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ttw

I understand what you say when you say be strong etc.
And yes slavery was a long time ago, but to simply say to get over it, is I'm afraid not that simple.

Many issues within the black community are there because of the effects of slavery. Maybe you should do some reading to help you understand better, there are some good books out there.

The fact that my father, uncles & aunties, grandparents and great grandparents, who are all still alive, have experienced racism in a way even I couldn't understand, who have been called ******* by white people, is what makes me stand up and say something about it and not accept it even if it was not meant in a malicious way, whether black people use it themselves or not, I am not going to take this as an excuse or justification. Great post:thumbs:

More karma for ttw.

[Porcelina]

Fortunately I grew up knowing that this word is wrong, knowing its origin and its connotations to some cultures. However, as society and the education system backs down from things that may cause offence; how can we guarantee that our children are made aware of the meaning behind these words - because god knows, they don't listen to their parents!! We're not cool, so how can we tell them that the word their favourite rap stars use as friendship to their "homies" is actually a word that they would be ridiculed and punished for using?? It's wrong, children, whether 8 months or 8, learn by example and making a word acceptable for one group of people and not another should not be allowed not by anyone, no matter who they are. It is unfair.

I think that BB was right to show the incident if only to show us how it was said and context in which she used it; remember that this 19 year old girl is going to remember this incident for the rest of her life - I doubt Charley or anyone else will. Which leads me on to my next point...

This word is terrible and if it warrants the eviction of Emily than Charley should not be allowed to use it to lever the situation. Later that day she led Shabnam to believe that Emily said it maliciously, then followed them into the garden to make sure that they didn't work out that she had twisted the truth slightly. Charley should have been punished for doing this as it undermines BB's decision and her integrity.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by gohan2091
My final point...

If the word causes offense then it shouldn't be spoken by anyone. Black people say it to black people and white people, white people say it to black and white people when its casual talk amongst friend. The word is moving away from meaning slavery and is becoming more casual amongst people. The definition is changing but I understand the history and I personally never use the word.

I can see over the history and accept it as just a word. Yes there are some people who use the word in it's original terms and I hate people who do that but Michael Richards isn't the majority of people. Emily was wrong to use the word but it's very clear to me she didn't mean to. What happened to housemate emily wouldn't of happened if it wasn't for celebrity big brother. Big Brother didn't have to show the footage of Emily saying the word, but Big Brother decided to which has made the situation worse than it really is.

When people say "only black people can use the term", I consider that sentance racist. With this attitude, racisism will never go away.

is p*** just a word too. i ask that because as a black/asian women i've noticed with some white people they find racist words against asians worst than when it against blacks why?
i've said it before and i'll say it again if shilpa had been black noone would have cared.

[gohan2091]

Originally posted by sunlight
Originally posted by gohan2091
My final point...

If the word causes offense then it shouldn't be spoken by anyone. Black people say it to black people and white people, white people say it to black and white people when its casual talk amongst friend. The word is moving away from meaning slavery and is becoming more casual amongst people. The definition is changing but I understand the history and I personally never use the word.

I can see over the history and accept it as just a word. Yes there are some people who use the word in it's original terms and I hate people who do that but Michael Richards isn't the majority of people. Emily was wrong to use the word but it's very clear to me she didn't mean to. What happened to housemate emily wouldn't of happened if it wasn't for celebrity big brother. Big Brother didn't have to show the footage of Emily saying the word, but Big Brother decided to which has made the situation worse than it really is.

When people say "only black people can use the term", I consider that sentance racist. With this attitude, racisism will never go away.

is p*** just a word too. i ask that because as a black/asian women i've noticed with some white people they find racist words against asians worst than when it against blacks why?
i've said it before and i'll say it again if shilpa had been black noone would have cared.

I am sorry, what does the p word you used say?

[ttw]

Originally posted by gohan2091
Originally posted by sunlight


is p*** just a word too. i ask that because as a black/asian women i've noticed with some white people they find racist words against asians worst than when it against blacks why?
i've said it before and i'll say it again if shilpa had been black noone would have cared.

I am sorry, what does the p word you used say?

Pretty sure she means p*ki...

[the_chosen_one]

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