Was it the right decision to remove Emily from the house? [TiBB poll]

[James]

TiBB Frontpage poll.

Was it the right decision to remove Emily from the house? Yes or No.

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[Blink_Me]

Whoever says no is obviously crazy.

[Princess]

Yes it was. Or else there would have been complaints to Ofcom and then more 'Oh BB is so racist' hence the series is ruined. This clears up all the problems properly and quickly.

[Mike]

It was definately the right decision. The producers know they would have come under alot of critisism if they had not ejected her so it was for the best. Hopefully now things can move on and we can just enjoy the rest of the show.

[nodisharmony]

Yes definately.

It had to be done, no choice at all....






nodisharmony :angel:

[Dan_]

Yes, absolutely no point or justification for using that word.

[Arneldo]

Yes, definitely.

Up until her Diary Room conversation, I'll admit, i felt a little bit of sympathy, but then she said "where i come from, we use it just fooling around, to make fun of each other" - What? She uses that word to make fun of her friends!!??! I think that's just disturbing and wrong.

[Blink_Me]

I wish all the big Emily fans would stop clicking no.

[Shaun]

Absolutely. She read the rules (or at least should have), and she broke them.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Yes, definitely.

Up until her Diary Room conversation, I'll admit, i felt a little bit of sympathy, but then she said "where i come from, we use it just fooling around, to make fun of each other" - What? She uses that word to make fun of her friends!!??! I think that's just disturbing and wrong.

I agree about the Diary Room conversation, Arneldo.

She let herself down badly there, even though she was half asleep.

She will hate herself for that.





nodisharmony :angel:

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Arneldo

but then she said "where i come from, we use it just fooling around, to make fun of each other" - What? She uses that word to make fun of her friends!!??! I think that's just disturbing and wrong.
Emma said something pretty similar after she'd used the same word during BB5, too.

[Zinelle_Fan]

This is a really hard topic. I don't think there is a wrong or right arguement for and against, therefore I think it was right to remove Emily from the house. BUT she shouldn't be slated from it.

I think Big Brother has used her to set an example but I agree with this descion.

But I also think Charley was a tad devious to keep on talking about it...and if anyone who saw the BBBM clip of her talking how she'll be in the papers...

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by Arneldo

but then she said "where i come from, we use it just fooling around, to make fun of each other" - What? She uses that word to make fun of her friends!!??! I think that's just disturbing and wrong.
Emma said something pretty similar after she'd used the same word during BB5, too.

I cant remember a time when Emma ever used that word in the house. Maybe it was something picked up on Live feed and discussed on forums but i dont remember ever hearing her say that on the Highlight shows or reading it in the papers. So i cant really comment. If you can find me a link to somewhere were it was discussed or any evidence i will gladly comment. I know that Emma said some thing which Victor found offensive at the time, but i don't recall her ever using that word.

[SiMoN!]

i think the reason is stupid
but i aint botherd she gone

if it was my fav i would be MAD

[Psylocke]

Im sad to see so many ignorant people on her,Truly truly sad.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Arneldo

I cant remember a time when Emma ever used that word in the house. Maybe it was something picked up on Live feed and discussed on forums but i dont remember ever hearing her say that on the Highlight shows or reading it in the papers. So i cant really comment. If you can find me a link to somewhere were it was discussed or any evidence i will gladly comment. I know that Emma said some thing which Victor found offensive at the time, but i don't recall her ever using that word.

Okay, I'll gladly find you a link. I'm sure there'll be a mention of it here somewhere, although it pre-dates my TIBB registration. But before all of that, please don't think I'm looking for an argument about it. If you search my member name with 'Emma', you'll see that she's one of my favourite former hm's.

I think both girls used the word, like George Galloway said earlier on BBBM, to try and come across as 'street'. Whether they meant any malice or not, they still said it, and you can't take back what's been said. I mentioned it because fair enough, you think Emily was in the wrong. But I thought it was a little confusing that you'd condemn her for it, yet actively support Emma in your signature when she'd done exactly the same thing herself. In fact, Emma said it twice.

[Fom]

if emily is removed so should charly and nikki.
or im gonna take big bro as being racist, just removing the white girl? others said it!
she should of been warned not evicted...

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Fom
if emily is removed so should charly and nikki.
or Im going to take big bro as being racist, just removing the white girl? others said it!
she should of been warned not evicted...


because black people are ALLOWED to say it.

will you please do some history on the word,its easy just click google.

white people have used that word to torture black people for years and years,black people have every right to turn it around and make it there own.White people on the other hand should NEVER let the word past there lips.

It amazes me how people like yourself cant see that.

[Arneldo]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Originally posted by Arneldo

I cant remember a time when Emma ever used that word in the house. Maybe it was something picked up on Live feed and discussed on forums but i dont remember ever hearing her say that on the Highlight shows or reading it in the papers. So i cant really comment. If you can find me a link to somewhere were it was discussed or any evidence i will gladly comment. I know that Emma said some thing which Victor found offensive at the time, but i don't recall her ever using that word.

Okay, I'll gladly find you a link. I'm sure there'll be a mention of it here somewhere, although it pre-dates my TIBB registration. But before all of that, please don't think I'm looking for an argument about it. If you search my member name with 'Emma', you'll see that she's one of my favourite former hm's.

I think both girls used the word, like George Galloway said earlier on BBBM, to try and come across as 'street'. Whether they meant any malice or not, they still said it, and you can't take back what's been said. I mentioned it because fair enough, you think Emily was in the wrong. But I thought it was a little confusing that you'd condemn her for it, yet actively support Emma in your signature when she'd done exactly the same thing herself. In fact, Emma said it twice.

I've taken a search on the forum and I found THIS (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29885#pid74201) topic from the time Emma was removed from the house. In a post made by a member it has a quote from an interview with Emma from The Mirror. I have a copy of Emma’s Interview with The Mirror and I have skimmed over it and I can’t find that quote in this interview so either the poster is telling a lie or it is possible the interviews are not the same. If she did say it and in such a violent and aggressive way then I apologies and I feel very very disappointed and quite sad and ashamed that I have supported her so strongly for so long. A poster also says that Emma commented "stop acting like such a black guy", I remember her saying that and maybe I’m a bit biased but I don’t think she meant it in a racist way and I don’t think it is racist and I think she what she meant was that she wanted Victor to stop acting like a gangster when she didn’t think he was, and she said that to him.

[Amy]

Yes, they made the right choice.. totally.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Arneldo

I've taken a search on the forum and I found THIS (http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29885#pid74201) topic from the time Emma was removed from the house. In a post made by a member it has a quote from an interview with Emma from The Mirror. I have a copy of Emma’s Interview with The Mirror and I have skimmed over it and I can’t find that quote in this interview so either the poster is telling a lie or it is possible the interviews are not the same. If she did say it and in such a violent and aggressive way then I apologies and I feel very very disappointed and quite sad and ashamed that I have supported her so strongly for so long. A poster also says that Emma commented "stop acting like such a black guy", I remember her saying that and maybe I’m a bit biased but I don’t think she meant it in a racist way and I don’t think it is racist and I think she what she meant was that she wanted Victor to stop acting like a gangster when she didn’t think he was, and she said that to him.
No, she (Emma) didn't say it in a violent or aggressive way at all. She said that she had friends from different ethnic backgrounds and stuff, and said that it was a part of her and her friends' everyday conversation to use that particular word. She was completely naive, and couldn't understand why Victor found it offensive, although she was sorry that he did. That's similar to the way in which Emily used it, I think. It was stupid, it's an incredibly offensive word, and obviously many people watching at home would've been offended by her using it. But she didn't use it maliciously against Charley, just as Emma didn't use it maliciously against Victor.

[the_chosen_one]

In answer to the poll, yes, but only in the context of Big Brother and Channel 4's poor handling of their last series.

They had no option but to eject her, but it's not a debate in the context of real society.

Originally posted by Psylocke

black people are ALLOWED to say it.

White people on the other hand should NEVER let the word past there lips.




If all society was to be constrained to this double standard, what a truly sad fact it would be.

Originally posted by Psylocke
black people have every right to turn it around and make it there own

Now that black people have asserted a new context, white people must be allowed to use it too.

[Foebane100]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
In answer to the poll, yes, but only in the context of Big Brother and Channel 4's poor handling of their last series.

They had no option but to eject her, but it's not a debate in the context of real society.

Originally posted by Psylocke

black people are ALLOWED to say it.

White people on the other hand should NEVER let the word past there lips.




If all society was to be constrained to this double standard, what a truly sad fact it would be.

Originally posted by Psylocke
black people have every right to turn it around and make it there own

Now that black people have asserted a new context, white people must be allowed to use it too.

It does make sense all or nothing.

[ThisIsMarie]

OMG! 80 votes it virtually 50% each!?
How the hell did that happen!?

I thought everyone was pretty much agreed that although the action was exstream under the circumstances it had to be done.

[DavinaRocks]

Oh come on, is it really hard not to say one single word?

Racism is racism...

[Fom]

black people are ALLOWED to say it.


that annoyed me that did.
thats racist in its self!

because im white i cant say it? what a load of rubbish. if black ppl can say it so can i.
its called freedom of speech my dear.

i dont care what history says i dont follow rules because of my skin colour.

[Smeggypants]

It was petty but they would right to take action.

[ThisIsMarie]

Originally posted by DavinaRocks
Oh come on, is it really hard not to say one single word?

Racism is racism... When there are other people saying it as if it's ok (the black people, that 'are allowed to'), yes it is.

The 'black race' are digging there own graves, making it a commonly used word and then getting the hump about if someone using it. IMO they are encouraging racisim! Reminding people to treat people different accroding to their skin colour.

I understand them thinking it gives them back power to reclaim the word but it's just far too niave. Even a lot of young black people say it before they even know it has a background let alone what it is.

[geoking66]

They shouldn't have removed her. They should have given her a worning for offencive language.

[noahman]

dID they show her being evicted

[Turrican]

Yes, of course she should have been removed and C4 have gained some respect for acting so quickly.

Emily is no great loss... was just a poor immitation of Grace to be honest.

In a week or so we will hopefully have forgotten about her.

[Captain.Remy]

Emily should have been more careful about what she said, that's sad for her, even if the producers didn't think so much about it.

[Bells]

I think the reason it's 50/50 is because perhaps some people feel what she did was wrong, and should've been punished, but not ejected.
Thinking about it though, Emily leaving has probably done her more good, because if she had stayed complaints would've been received, things would've been more difficult for her, and one thing's for sure - I wouldn't be feeling sympathy like I do now.

So I think for both her sake and the viewers', ejecting her was the right decision, and fans probably aren't thinking about her welfare as well as their own. I'll admit that some of those are probably assumptions on my part, but I don't think they're too far off the mark.

[Wiglet]

134 votes and still 50/50? Is something is going on here? Because at 80 votes it was much the same yet the concensus of written opinion is YES she should have been kicked out.

Maybe the NOs are shy? :shrug:

[Foebane100]

Now everyone is crawling out the woodwork with "Emily racially abused me" in every paper. This is just sad and sounds opportunistic, these stories need to be taken carefully and seem to be an effort to vilify Emily.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Fom
if emily is removed so should charly and nikki.
or Im going to take big bro as being racist, just removing the white girl? others said it!
she should of been warned not evicted...


because black people are ALLOWED to say it.

will you please do some history on the word,its easy just click google.

white people have used that word to torture black people for years and years,black people have every right to turn it around and make it there own.White people on the other hand should NEVER let the word past there lips.

It amazes me how people like yourself cant see that.



I am sorry but could not disagree more with your logic.....

If black people can say it then white people should also be allowed. Otherwise you have discrimination which is what racism is about....So So many are missing the point when it comes to any words used. It is not the word that is evil it is the intent in which the word is used that is evil.......

Tell me should we ban the word slut and slag against females often used on the forums against housemates because they too are offensive to the housemates relatives let alone the housemate.

All these high moral ground statements about Emily is typical of todays confused and hypocrytical very much controlled society.....


Racism is in the mind not in the words.......You can ban people from saying certain delegated words but that will not change the way they think.........If you ban people from using offensive words then you never get the chance to debate with them the wrong thinking with a possibility of changing the way they think.......

Supression which is what the banning of free speach is always makes matters worse.....Governments won't learn that lesson until its to late and the coiled spring of repression breaks free and all hell is let loose...

[sunlight]

yes it was right to remove emily. if a child can be removed from school for sayng words like that. why not a grown women.

[stella]

No they should not have removed her at all she said the word once charley and nicky said the words more why havent they been kicked out OHHHHH yeh i forgot its ok for a black person to say it but not a white person wadda load of BO**OX

[Fom]

tbh i think some people are scared too say no, they dont want to be called racist because ppl on here are single minded. i just saw all the papers intesco's... how dd they get so much hype from saying one word accidently.

im so annoyed, i feel sorry for her.

[Arneldo]

Wow! The poll is completely split down the middle.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Fom

black people are ALLOWED to say it.


that annoyed me that did.
thats racist in its self!

because Im white i cant say it? what a load of rubbish. if black people can say it so can i.
its called freedom of speech my dear.

i dont care what history says i dont follow rules because of my skin colour.

Depends on the terms that you're saying it though doesn't, try going up to a black person and calling them a ****** and see how you get on, if you think you can say it if they can.

[Legend]

I wonder if Nicky would have said it to Charley... would she have been ejected too? If she'd have said it in exactly the same context, etc, i really doubt it and that's the sad part because i've heard it so much where i come from, on the T.V etc in that context that i wouldn't have even picked up on it unless they didn't make such a big deal about it.

But yeah, they had no choice.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Fom
tbh i think some people are scared too say no, they dont want to be called racist because people on here are single minded.
It's a poll, so nobody knows who said yes or no. There are plenty of views from all sides of the issue, spread over umpteen threads. It's not fair to suggest that 'people on here are single minded.'

[Fom]

no someone said something like... its 50/50 where are the people saying no

[John15]

Yes she shouldent of been a racist bitch to be honest!!!

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Fom
no someone said something like... its 50/50 where are the people saying no

Something to do with protecting their karma score, I'll warrant.

People don't always stand up for themselves and their rights if it could effect their popularity too much, it's a sad fact of life.

[J.C.]

I thought the decision to remove Emily was the right one, and after everything in CBB I feel it was their only option . However, as one of the viewers of bbbm said, it would have been good to have warned her and made the group discuss it all through and hopefully find a resolution and understanding.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Yeah. Sorry but that word is shocking,

[ShadowEye]

Do I think she should have been removed from the house THIS year? Yes. At the end of the day, she said something that shouldn't have been said, regardless of the context, and it was in direct violation of the rules. However, if we are to disregard the context, and we should considering that it is the WORD that was deemed offensive, then Charley and Nikki should both have been evicted, or at least punished severely.

Black people, and Asian people are NOT allowed to use the "N" word, or any other racially offensive words, and anyone who says otherwise is, quite frankly, one of the people who ensure racism continue. You cannot have double standards, as that, in itself, is descrimination on the grounds of race, that's racism.

Prior to this year, however; I would have had to have said no. Had she said it on another occasion following this, I'd have her kicked out straight away, but on this occasion, I'd say she would deserve a severe slap on the wrist and kick up the backside. After the events of CBB5 (which I strongly believe to have been about class, and the stupidity of Jade Goody, and not race), they had to act. Pure and simple. She had to go for the good of the show.

Emily is clearly not racist, the term iteslf is a horrible term, but nonetheless, using it in that context does not make one racist. If used with any malice, with the express purpose of causing offence, it is racism. When used in the way in which Emily used it, it is merely offensive.

[CassetteFinger]

i think so big brother had no other choice anyway after the jade shilpa thing you knoe.

[stoney12]

No she shouldnt have gone.She was trying to be street which was stupid.

She should have stayed in the house with a warning and been made to read a book about slavery from start to finish until she understood the meaning of the word.


It was an over reaction by BB which

a/Boosted ratings

b/Finally found them a scapegoat.

If this word is so terrible lets stop its use altogether.Then stupid white girls will stop misusing it.

Sorry was that racist?