Derbyshire :'Dickensian' school after boys only allowed bread and butter as no money

[arista]

[A mother has claimed a school behaved
'like something out of a
Charles Dickens novel' after it ruled
her children could only have
bread and butter for lunch
because she owed £17.60.
Katrina Dakin, 31, said
Ravensdale Junior School
in Mickleover, Derbyshire,
cruelly 'punished' her
boys Levi, nine, and Tyler, ten, who were
left hungry because she owed money
for their lunch.]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/01/10/12948476-6980167-image-a-3_1556704642087.jpg
[Katrina Dakin, 31, said the school
'punished' her two boys,
who were left hungry because
she owed money for their lunch]

This Mother is Wrong
get a bank loan
The school was nice enough
to give them free bread and butter

Or give your own kids a
Emergency Packed Lunch

[The headteacher of Ravensdale Junior School in Mickleover, Derbyshire,
said the rule was brought in so that children
are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6980167/Children-allowed-bread-butter-lunch-school.html



being debated now on LBC radio

[Livia]

She's lucky they fed them at all. She's responsible for paying for her kids' lunch.

[Vicky.]

If I sent my children to school with bread and butter I'd have social services knocking at my door. It's child neglect.

Erm. You sent them with less than that, and have the social been round? :suspect:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dreamed of bread and butter as a kid, all i got was a handful of gravel a a cup of sulphuric acid..

[Livia]

i dreamed of bread and butter as a kid, all i got was a handful of gravel a a cup of sulphuric acid..

You were lucky. We used to dream of a handful of gravel...

[Niamh.]

Erm. You sent them with less than that, and have the social been round? :suspect:

hahaha exactly. Imagine going to the papers with that how embarrassing for her and her kids

[Cherie]

She has money for lippy and bleach, another one wanting something for nothing, feed your kids love, nothing wrong with a bit of bread and butter

[arista]

She has money for lippy and bleach, another one wanting something for nothing, feed your kids love, nothing wrong with a bit of bread and butter


Yes she made it worse taking
it to a Local Newspaper.

She can pay the small debt
it not impossible
to get a small bank loan

[Oliver_W]

i dreamed of bread and butter as a kid, all i got was a handful of gravel a a cup of sulphuric acid..

You were lucky. We used to dream of a handful of gravel...

The only gravel we had was when we were flogged on the side of the road...

[chuff me dizzy]

I bet she's got the latest iPhone to go on Facebook with while waiting for a spray tan !!

[Livia]

The only gravel we had was when we were flogged on the side of the road...

:)

God, I hate emoticons. All I intended was a colon and a bracket but no, I've got the full emoji. But I'm leaving it for Oliver.

[Saph]

"can i borrow a tenner chick? xx"

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/01/10/12948476-6980167-image-a-3_1556704642087.jpg

[Alf]

A spread of jam or Dairylea would have made all the difference.

[Liam-]

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

[Livia]

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

Oh no, however will they survive this...…………..

[Beso]

I remember never being hungry at school...come the summer holidays though, I was always asking for something to eat..

[chuff me dizzy]

I remember never being hungry at school...come the summer holidays though, I was always asking for something to eat..

Looking hot in your new photo Parmy !!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looking hot in your new photo Parmy !!

That must have been when he dropped off the 80" Plasma at Sir Cliffs house, Cliff is a keen photographer.


:spin2:

[Cherie]

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys

They had got 17.00 of dinners already which equates to about 2 school weeks! They would have been in touch as soon as she went into debt so 2 weeks later she still didn't pay, schools have budgets, if they feed these kids then other parents will want the same and then the school budget comes under pressure for other things, it might seem harsh but thats life

she has caused her kids more embarrassment by taking it the press tbf

[chuff me dizzy]

That must have been when he dropped off the 80" Plasma at Sir Cliffs house, Cliff is a keen photographer.


:spin2:

:joker: I'm only trying to boost the daft old sods ego

[Beso]

Looking hot in your new photo Parmy !!

That's my strictly outfit.:fist:

[Vanessa]

Nothing wrong with bread and butter. Better than nothing :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

That's my strictly outfit.:fist:

Strictly shouldn't be seen !!

[Denver]

If she couldn't afford to pay she should have done a packed lunch but clearly she isnt a good enough mother

[arista]

I actually find that disgusting, it’s not the kids fault their mother hasn’t paid, a child should always get a meal at school, they should have given them a meal and taken it up with their mother afterwards, that’s cruel and humiliating for the boys


Sure they are unlucky that the Mother
has spent all the Cash on something else,
But that mother must pay the £17 debt
she is at fault taking it to the Local newspaper
that then ends up on Worldwide DM feed.


The Debate at 10AM on LBC Radio
had many angry at the Mother

[user104658]

This thread reads like a Daily Mail comments section. Good look, guys.

[arista]

If she couldn't afford to pay she should have done a packed lunch but clearly she isnt a good enough mother


Yes no money for food!
make sure all the kids have a packed lunch
is the best way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this thread reads like a daily mail comments section. Good look, guys.

what is that supposed to mean?

[Liam-]

I mean yeah, she should be paying for their lunches, but that’s not the fault of the kids, to ‘punish’ the kids and single them out in front of everybody and not feed them a proper meal is cruel and unusual, take it up with the mother, not the kids, awful behaviour from the school

[arista]

This thread reads like a Daily Mail comments section. Good look, guys.


I got the Story first from LBC Live radio
he got it from a local paper.
Schools have to get paid
Times are hard


TS could she not pack a lunch instead,

[arista]

what is that supposed to mean?


He is saying we are are all to tough

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean yeah, she should be paying for their lunches, but that’s not the fault of the kids, to ‘punish’ the kids and single them out in front of everybody and not feed them a proper meal is cruel and unusual, take it up with the mother, not the kids, awful behaviour from the school

Its HER fault

nowt to do with the school

[arista]

I mean yeah, she should be paying for their lunches, but that’s not the fault of the kids, to ‘punish’ the kids and single them out in front of everybody and not feed them a proper meal is cruel and unusual, take it up with the mother, not the kids, awful behaviour from the school



The Schools nowdays must get money for Foods
The Mother is the Problem

[Liam-]

Its HER fault

nowt to do with the school

Exactly, her fault, don’t punish her kids for her behaviour

[Cherie]

This thread reads like a Daily Mail comments section. Good look, guys.

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Exactly, her fault, don’t punish her kids for her behaviour

she punished the kids with her financial neglect

[Liam-]

she punished the kids with her financial neglect

No, she did something and the school decided to lay the repercussions at the feet of the children, they used them as pawns to make a point to their mother, they’re children, they shouldn’t be involved in an establishments battles I’m afraid, the mother is wrong for not paying what she owes, but the school is just as bad for not feeding the kids properly to make a point.

[user104658]

what is that supposed to mean?

A bunch of supposed adults sneering and jeering about primary school kids being shamed because of their mother's mistake. Pathetic.

[chuff me dizzy]

Its HER fault

nowt to do with the school

The responsibility to look after YOUR kiddies starts and ends with the parents no one else's responsibility

[chuff me dizzy]

A bunch of supposed adults sneering and jeering about primary school kids being shamed because of their mother's mistake. Pathetic.

The so called Mother shamed them by going to the press

[Cherie]

A bunch of supposed adults sneering and jeering about primary school kids being shamed because of their mother's mistake. Pathetic.

The only one who shamed the kids is their mother!

[Vanessa]

She could have made them a sandwich/packed lunch?

[GiRTh]

This thread reads like a Daily Mail comments section. Good look, guys.:thumbs:

[chuff me dizzy]

She could have made them a sandwich/packed lunch?

Or paid HER debt

[arista]

A bunch of supposed adults sneering and jeering about primary school kids being shamed because of their mother's mistake. Pathetic.


She can pay the debt
Every other parent does


Taking it to the Local newspaper
was wrong of her.

[arista]

She is a Care Worker with 6 kids
and her phone run out, so she did not get all the updates
which means she now can pay it,
no need to take it to the local newspaper

From a Ch5HD AM debate

[Alf]

It does say that this is a School law, which does allow you to get £10 in debt. You start making exceptions for one, and they all want it.

I know if I was a dinner lady, I'd have give the kids some grub on the sly, would at least put something inside the bread and butter and make it a sandwich. But the mother is the one at fault here, hopefully she made a few bob from the story and settled her debts with the school.

[Livia]

A bunch of supposed adults sneering and jeering about primary school kids being shamed because of their mother's mistake. Pathetic.

This is a discussion forum. As far as I can see no one's been infracted or even reported for anything that's been said on this thread. No one needs you popping up playing everyone's conscience, TS.

Their mother took this story to the press.... otherwise no one here would be discussing it.

[Livia]

No, she did something and the school decided to lay the repercussions at the feet of the children, they used them as pawns to make a point to their mother, they’re children, they shouldn’t be involved in an establishments battles I’m afraid, the mother is wrong for not paying what she owes, but the school is just as bad for not feeding the kids properly to make a point.

...And then their mother took it to the press. If anyone's shamed those kids it's her.

Case closed.

[Liam-]

...And then their mother took it to the press. If anyone's shamed those kids it's her.

Case closed.

If anything she’s shamed herself, not her kids

[Livia]

If anything she’s shamed herself, not her kids

Well, that's her prerogative, I guess. She chose to go public, if the story wasn't in the news then none of us would be talking about it.

[Liam-]

Well, that's her prerogative, I guess. She chose to go public, if the story wasn't in the news then none of us would be talking about it.

Definitely, there’s no issue from my end with people calling her a bad mother etc, I have an issue with a school that’s supposed to take care of the kids in their care refusing a meal on the basis of a disagreement with a parent

[Livia]

Definitely, there’s no issue from my end with people calling her a bad mother etc, I have an issue with a school that’s supposed to take care of the kids in their care refusing a meal on the basis of a disagreement with a parent

They did feed them. Even the mother says they did. If they had been refused anything to eat, then I'd be with you.

Schools are there for teaching kids, they're not a charity. How many times have you heard about teachers taking bread and stuff in because kids come in to school having had no breakfast? And none of us know the whole story, this woman may be a serial non-payer. What she did was sent her kids, knowing she owed the money, hoping for the school to provide stuff for free. Well, they did. Bread and butter.

[arista]

It does say that this is a School law, which does allow you to get £10 in debt. You start making exceptions for one, and they all want it.

I know if I was a dinner lady, I'd have give the kids some grub on the sly, would at least put something inside the bread and butter and make it a sandwich. But the mother is the one at fault here, hopefully she made a few bob from the story and settled her debts with the school.

Those days are long gone
there is a line
you can not cross it these days

[LukeB]

They did feed them. Even the mother says they did. If they had been refused anything to eat, then I'd be with you.

Schools are there for teaching kids, they're not a charity. How many times have you heard about teachers taking bread and stuff in because kids come in to school having had no breakfast? And none of us know the whole story, this woman may be a serial non-payer. What she did was sent her kids, knowing she owed the money, hoping for the school to provide stuff for free. Well, they did. Bread and butter.

:clap1:

Bread and butter is better than nothing, they didn't have to give them that but they did. If they kept giving free meals out everytime a parent doesn't pay then loads of people would be doing it:laugh: as you said they are not a charity.

[Liam-]

Bread and butter isn’t enough to sustain a child through a 6 hour school day :joker: they were given a subpar ‘meal’ because there was an issue with their mother, yes it’s their job to teach kids, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be taking care of their students, a school allowing children to not have a proper meal through the school day, because of a small debt, is in my eyes barbaric and lacks any compassion that a school should show

[Ammi]

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...

[Livia]

Bread and butter isn’t enough to sustain a child through a 6 hour school day :joker: they were given a subpar ‘meal’ because there was an issue with their mother, yes it’s their job to teach kids, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be taking care of their students, a school allowing children to not have a proper meal through the school day, because of a small debt, is in my eyes barbaric and lacks any compassion that a school should show

Oh please Liam... I do feel a bit sorry for the kids, but women like their mother rely on soft touches to get them through life, let them off a debt, provide stuff for free.... The one and only person responsible for those kids eating only bread and butter is their mother.

[GiRTh]

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...:thumbs::hug:

[Ammi]

:clap1:

Bread and butter is better than nothing, they didn't have to give them that but they did. If they kept giving free meals out everytime a parent doesn't pay then loads of people would be doing it:laugh: as you said they are not a charity.

...they did actually Luke...have to give them something, there would have been very serious questions to answer had they given them nothing...they give them the minimum really...and would have thrown surplus food out because there is always an error margin...

[Livia]

Maybe just give everyone the option of paying? I mean, let those who always pay, pay.... and those who never do, well just give them stuff for free! Sounds fair.

[Livia]

...they did actually Luke...have to give them something, there would have been very serious questions to answer had they given them nothing...they give them the minimum really...and would have thrown surplus food out because there is always an error margin...

We don't know that, Ammi.

You don't think the mother has any responsibility in this?

[Liam-]

Oh please Liam... I do feel a bit sorry for the kids, but women like their mother rely on soft touches to get them through life, let them off a debt, provide stuff for free.... The one and only person responsible for those kids eating only bread and butter is their mother.

No-one is saying to let the woman off of her debt, but to take her debt out on her children was morally wrong imo, is £17 really worth allowing kids to go without a proper meal? This school clearly cares more about money than their students

[Ammi]

Oh please Liam... I do feel a bit sorry for the kids, but women like their mother rely on soft touches to get them through life, let them off a debt, provide stuff for free.... The one and only person responsible for those kids eating only bread and butter is their mother.

...the people responsible for a child eating Livia is everyone, I’m sorry...and while those children were at school...?...the responsibility for them to have a healthy and adequate meal belonged with the school staff...

[Denver]

As a parent your first thought should be sorting it out with the school not sell it to the papers for a tenner to buy veggies and a scratch card

[Ammi]

We don't know that, Ammi.

You don't think the mother has any responsibility in this?

..but we do know that though because every single school day children make errors in what lunches they are having...packed or hot meal..?...so an allowance has to be made for that...

[arista]

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...


This Working Mother
can now correct her mess
and make sure her phone is working
at all times.....................................

[Denver]

No-one is saying to let the woman off of her debt, but to take her debt out on her children was morally wrong imo, is £17 really worth allowing kids to go without a proper meal? This school clearly cares more about money than their students

If they didnt charge people they wouldnt afford ingredients and would have to make the dinner staff redundant not everything in life comes for free and everything had consequences

[Denver]

No-one is saying to let the woman off of her debt, but to take her debt out on her children was morally wrong imo, is £17 really worth allowing kids to go without a proper meal? This school clearly cares more about money than their students

If they didnt charge people they wouldnt afford ingredients and would have to make the dinner staff redundant not everything in life comes for free and everything had consequences

[Livia]

...the people responsible for a child eating Livia is everyone, I’m sorry...and while those children were at school...?...the responsibility for them to have a healthy and adequate meal belonged with the school staff...

You think that the parent should be able to take those kids to a restaurant and have them eat for free? No, neither should they expect to at school. We already provide free meals for eligible children, if these children were eligible then they would presumably be getting free meals.

You're quite wrong about everyone being responsible. If the mother can't take responsibility for feeding her own children, then maybe Social Services should be looking into it.

[arista]

..but we do know that though because every single school day children make errors in what lunches they are having...packed or hot meal..?...so an allowance has to be made for that...


Rules on Funding
are now Normal
and YOU know that Madame Ammi.

[Ammi]

...she lives with her partner btw according to the article...so I’m not sure why it would only be the mother who had a responsibility...

[Livia]

..but we do know that though because every single school day children make errors in what lunches they are having...packed or hot meal..?...so an allowance has to be made for that...

So what's the point of pursuing this woman? She's feckless and should expect the rest of the world to feed her kids. And if they don't she goes to the press whining...

[Liam-]

..but we do know that though because every single school day children make errors in what lunches they are having...packed or hot meal..?...so an allowance has to be made for that...

:clap1:

Schools have to make a meal for every child enrolled, whether they’re going to eat it or not, there were very clearly leftovers they could have given them, it wouldn’t have cost them anything, but no, they chose to make an example of the innocent party to get a point across to their mother, to me, that’s reprehensible for a school to do

[Livia]

...she lives with her partner btw according to the article...so I’m not sure why it would only be the mother who had a responsibility...

Maybe he isn't their father.

[Ammi]

You think that the parent should be able to take those kids to a restaurant and have them eat for free? No, neither should they expect to at school. We already provide free meals for eligible children, if these children were eligible then they would presumably be getting free meals.

You're quite wrong about everyone being responsible. If the mother can't take responsibility for feeding her own children, then maybe Social Services should be looking into it.

..a restaurant and restaurant staff don’t have a duty of care over a child...a school and school staff do...they have a duty of care, which is why they gave the children bread and butter...but I refuse to believe they didn’t throw food out...perfectly fine food that those two boys could have had some of...absolutely awful and a policy that should be thrown out of the window...

[Ammi]

...he lives with her and the children so is just as able and capable of either making the children a packed lunch or making the payment for their outstanding meals...:laugh:...

[Livia]

..a restaurant and restaurant staff don’t have a duty of care over a child...a school and school staff do...they have a duty of care, which is why they gave the children bread and butter...but I refuse to believe they didn’t throw food out...perfectly fine food that those two boys could have had some of...absolutely awful and a policy that should be thrown out of the window...

This is all conjecture. All we have is the mother's story, after she went to the press with it. I'm sure every school is caring, why would they be working in a school if they weren't? I'm sure they weren't at Dotheboys Hall... they got something to eat, and presumably their mother fed them when they got home.

[Livia]

...he lives with her and the children so is just as able and capable of either making the children a packed lunch or making the payment for their outstanding meals...:laugh:...

Yes, but is it his responsibility to feed her children?

[Ammi]

Yes, but is it his responsibility to feed her children?

...we don’t know that they’re not his children though and he does live with them so could have made lunches or paid the outstanding amount...why would he not do that but she should have...I don’t understand that thought process, that it would only be her responsibility ...

[Liam-]

Yes, but is it his responsibility to feed her children?

If he’s living with her and playing a part in raising her kids, then yes, it is partially his responsibility

[chuff me dizzy]

If the school had given them a free meal, and she had told other mums in playground what would have happened then ? Kylie and Sandra would have thought chuff paying for our 10 kids dinners they can get a freebie leaves us more for wine and spray tans and the honest, decent parents would have been subsidising them

[Ammi]

This is all conjecture. All we have is the mother's story, after she went to the press with it. I'm sure every school is caring, why would they be working in a school if they weren't? I'm sure they weren't at Dotheboys Hall... they got something to eat, and presumably their mother fed them when they got home.

...no actually you’re wrong, Livia...not every school is caring...schools are very much money making businesses now so they vary a lot but they do all have a duty of care ...which is not the same as ‘being caring’...and tbh ‘conjecture’ is not really relevant to this as that school will have had some food left over unless they’re a unique school like no other in the country...

[GiRTh]

..a restaurant and restaurant staff don’t have a duty of care over a child...a school and school staff do...they have a duty of care, which is why they gave the children bread and butter...but I refuse to believe they didn’t throw food out...perfectly fine food that those two boys could have had some of...absolutely awful and a policy that should be thrown out of the window...:thumbs::kiss::hug:

[arista]

:clap1:

Schools have to make a meal for every child enrolled, whether they’re going to eat it or not, there were very clearly leftovers they could have given them, it wouldn’t have cost them anything, but no, they chose to make an example of the innocent party to get a point across to their mother, to me, that’s reprehensible for a school to do


She will now pay the debt
and get back to normal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Can you just imagine what kind of feral mother she is, those poor children

[GiRTh]

...no actually you’re wrong, Livia...not every school is caring...schools are very much money making businesses now so they vary a lot but they do all have a duty of care ...which is not the same as ‘being caring’...and tbh ‘conjecture’ is not really relevant to this as that school will have had some food left over unless they’re a unique school like no other in the country...:clap1::worship::hug:

[Oliver_W]

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day..
360 children had rolls?! That's a lot of parents just letting their kids eat bread...

[chuff me dizzy]

Can you just imagine what kind of feral mother she is, those poor children

Publicly humiliated by their mother

[arista]

Can you just imagine what kind of feral mother she is, those poor children


At least she has a Part Time Job
as a care worker

[Crimson Dynamo]

"The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10."

So a stated rule was flouted by this "woman" and she has the audacity to contact the media??. What a piece of work, her poor kids


"She said she did not recall receiving any other text messages from the school prior to Monday."


:rolleyes:

[Vicky.]

...the school has 360 children on roll so a huge amount of schools meals to cook each day...(...which apparently they take pride in, their lovely schools meals with a 3 choice menu...)...there is no way on this earth that there would be no surplus with those numbers, absolutely no way at all...but rather than give the left over food to the children at no cost to anyone...they chose not to ...and most probably it went into the bins...to make a point with their ‘£10 rule’...and with no thought for those children having a meal to sustain them through their afternoon...even grated cheese and some salad with the bread and butter which is reasonable sustenance for a child to work on...but no, it’s a £10 rule’...and that’s more important than the children...

If they are chucking food in the bin instead of giving it to kids who are short, then thats vile. Not sure how it should be assumed there is surplus though? Some other kids might have lost their dinner money or had their parents miss a payment or whatever.

Bread and butter and a piece of fruit..is not really that bad. not the best but surely better than nothing.

This mother took the piss. The school does need a policy, to stop people taking the piss (mind a tenner is a bit..harsh. Would think it would be higher but I guess, it depends how many parents try avoiding the costs regularly really). The school will only have the policy as people have tried to take the piss in the past. This mother needs to actually make sure her kids have dinner money paid. Or put them on packed lunches.

Normally am on the side of parents in these types of thing. but the fact that shes gone to the press moaning on, saying the social would be called had she sent them in with the same food despite her sending them in with no food and no money too, that shes claiming they are hugely unfair when its a blanket rule and that, and maybe the fact that I am running on no sleep at all.. may be making me harsher than usual. The mother shamed the kids though, and not the school, the school followed policy, and then the mother went crying to the papers to embarrass the kids and gain attention.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At least she has a Part Time Job
as a care worker

yes she works in a care home and haivng spent the last 6 years in and out of them

i know just the type....

[LukeB]

I don't know this mothers income situation but since she isn't entitled to free meals what is she spending her money on? surely you should make sure have money for lunches or she could do pack lunches.

She should stop whining to the papers and pay the bill and not risk her children from being hungry. Bread and Butter is better than nothing but if you want your child to have a bigger meal then pay.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She took them home from school early and bougtht them

A MEAL DEAL

because they "were hungry"

a bloody meal deal :shocked:

I bet they had like coco pops for breakfast


just vile

[Vicky.]

...they did actually Luke...have to give them something, there would have been very serious questions to answer had they given them nothing...they give them the minimum really...and would have thrown surplus food out because there is always an error margin...

Sorry should have read your next post to see where you are coming from. This is not entirely true surely. It might be, but the way my kids school does it is meals are actually prepared elsewhere, then brought in and given as made, so its not like it was when I was at school when there were dinner ladies say, giving an extra scoop of mash or whatever. Its literally like an airplane meal type deal.

And an error margin, might also have to sustain other kids whos parents have 'forgot' dinner money for a few days. Those kids might well have got there first. Its unfair to just assume the school is throwing meals away to spite kids, when theres not really any reason for them to do that? Wouldn't change the policy of bread and butter and fruit as a minimum, but would only be able to get actual meals if they were going spare., which I would think they usually aren't

[Alf]

Chucking food away? We used to have a thing called seconds, where you could get second helpings until it:s all gone. Do they not do seconds anymore?

[Cherie]

Schools are run as a business now, there is very little waste, when I worked in a school the portions were carefully controlled, this was a for two reasons ensuring that the company supplying the dinners made a profit and also that the kids weren't overeating, the school cannot continue to give food to parents who don't pay, they went over their 10.00 rule and nothing was still forthcoming, its not down to the staff, its all ruled by the business manager now. They gave what leeway they could

[Cherie]

Chucking food away? We used to have a thing called seconds, where you could get second helpings until it:s all gone. Do they not do seconds anymore?

No, seconds are a thing of the past, they are trying to control the kids weight now not add to it

[Cherie]

Sorry should have read your next post to see where you are coming from. This is not entirely true surely. It might be, but the way my kids school does it is meals are actually prepared elsewhere, then brought in and given as made, so its not like it was when I was at school when there were dinner ladies say, giving an extra scoop of mash or whatever. Its literally like an airplane meal type deal.

And an error margin, might also have to sustain other kids whos parents have 'forgot' dinner money for a few days. Those kids might well have got there first. Its unfair to just assume the school is throwing meals away to spite kids, when theres not really any reason for them to do that? Wouldn't change the policy of bread and butter and fruit as a minimum, but would only be able to get actual meals if they were going spare., which I would think they usually aren't

Exactly Vicky, this is what it is like, portions are strictly controlled

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh and i bet when she bought the unhealthy pointless meal deal she paid for that there and then

she didnt think she coud get it for free and then wait for Tesco to contact her on her terms and when she looks at her phone and get her to pay

[Ammi]

If they are chucking food in the bin instead of giving it to kids who are short, then thats vile. Not sure how it should be assumed there is surplus though? Some other kids might have lost their dinner money or had their parents miss a payment or whatever.

Bread and butter and a piece of fruit..is not really that bad. not the best but surely better than nothing.

This mother took the piss. The school does need a policy, to stop people taking the piss (mind a tenner is a bit..harsh. Would think it would be higher but I guess, it depends how many parents try avoiding the costs regularly really). The school will only have the policy as people have tried to take the piss in the past. This mother needs to actually make sure her kids have dinner money paid. Or put them on packed lunches.

Normally am on the side of parents in these types of thing. but the fact that shes gone to the press moaning on, saying the social would be called had she sent them in with the same food despite her sending them in with no food and no money too, that shes claiming they are hugely unfair when its a blanket rule and that, and maybe the fact that I am running on no sleep at all.. may be making me harsher than usual. The mother shamed the kids though, and not the school, the school followed policy, and then the mother went crying to the papers to embarrass the kids and gain attention.

...of course food is thrown out from kitchens every single school day, Vicky...and by the head’s own words this rule was only ever designed to punish a child for a parental error...The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10....the family owes money../..the parent owes money...so the child will be denied a lunch...how is that not Dickensian...if it’s felt that these parents..(...not just the mother..)..are guilty of bad parenting in some way..?...then the primary solution to that from an establishment with a duty of care to children...is to uphold some £10 rule and give the children bread and butter only...(...while food is most definitely being thrown out..:laugh:..)

[Ammi]

Chucking food away? We used to have a thing called seconds, where you could get second helpings until it:s all gone. Do they not do seconds anymore?

...no they don’t I’m afraid, Alf...seconds aren’t allowed...(...I don’t think there would be time for them tbh in most schools but they’re not allowed either..)...not for a long time now actually...

[Ammi]

Sorry should have read your next post to see where you are coming from. This is not entirely true surely. It might be, but the way my kids school does it is meals are actually prepared elsewhere, then brought in and given as made, so its not like it was when I was at school when there were dinner ladies say, giving an extra scoop of mash or whatever. Its literally like an airplane meal type deal.

And an error margin, might also have to sustain other kids whos parents have 'forgot' dinner money for a few days. Those kids might well have got there first. Its unfair to just assume the school is throwing meals away to spite kids, when theres not really any reason for them to do that? Wouldn't change the policy of bread and butter and fruit as a minimum, but would only be able to get actual meals if they were going spare., which I would think they usually aren't



...all the meals are freshly cooked on the premises at that school, it says so...and they’re very proud of that and their 3 choice many...which apparently now runs to 4 choices...bread and butter and a piece of fruit being the 4th choice...


...if they were key stage 1 children they would be entitled to free school meals...so they’re older children who would have had a full afternoon of work...(fortunately no SATS this year..)....with their bit of bread and butter to sustain them ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

how is eating bread and butter and an apple punishment. Its a little less than they may have got but they are not going to starve


Its a rule that EVERY parent subscribes to when they send their kids to school, no different from any other.

YOu can bet this silly women is happy to impose rules of her elderly residents at her care home. I would wager she would not give a flying f if a old women had bread and butter and an apple for lunch.

[Cherie]

...all the meals are freshly cooked on the premises at that school, it says so...and they’re very proud of that and their 3 choice many...which apparently now runs to 4 choices...bread and butter and a piece of fruit being the 4th choice...


...if they were key stage 1 children they would be entitled to free school meals...so they’re older children who would have had a full afternoon of work...(fortunately no SATS this year..)....with their bit of bread and butter to sustain them ...

Even if they cook on the premises a company will be supplying the ingredients and the amount of ingredients, I remember the cook worrying about giving out too much grated cheese on jacket potatoes as they got a delivery on a Monday and that was it for the week

[Vicky.]

Schools are run as a business now, there is very little waste, when I worked in a school the portions were carefully controlled, this was a for two reasons ensuring that the company supplying the dinners made a profit and also that the kids weren't overeating, the school cannot continue to give food to parents who don't pay, they went over their 10.00 rule and nothing was still forthcoming, its not down to the staff, its all ruled by the business manager now. They gave what leeway they could

Yup this excuse is used at ours too. So the meals are balanced with exactly the right amount of nutrients and such too (though quite what fulfils all protein and such requirements when the choice is jacket potato with cheese and sugary crap, or turkey dinosaurs and chipd and beans with sugary crap..I don't know :laugh: ). And if my kids have something they don't like one day (they have to pick the options 3 weeks in advance) they might possibly get another choice if someone goes off sick or something, but only IF there is a meal going spare. Otherwise they are given a piece of fruit or something.

Mind something that annoys me massively is they used to proper police lunchboxes when they were on packed lunch, not letting them eat biscuits, crisps (besides baked ones..) or anything. Sending it back with the kids as 'unhealthy'. However, every day, there is the likes of cake and custard with the school meals. And they keep sending them out with ****ing bags of haribos for 'treats' too!

[user104658]

This is a discussion forum. As far as I can see no one's been infracted or even reported for anything that's been said on this thread. No one needs you popping up playing everyone's conscience, TS.



It is a discussion forum, but that also means that I can discuss my opinion that people's reaction to this story is ... Grim. And sad.

[Ammi]

...oh seriously..:laugh:..this had nothing to do with not having enough cheese or enough anything...the school were upholding their £10 rule which as stated in the rule will ‘deny’ a child...since when was denial an adequate and a balanced meal...it just isn’t because it wasn’t meant to be, the school had decided that their punishment would be wit( the child and not with the parent ...for something the parent did..or didn’t do in this case...a very admirable rule to put in place which really showed those children....pfffft....

[Ammi]

...the meals are not so carefully controlled that a couple more could not have been accommodated so those two children felt they were being treated the same as every other child....

[Crimson Dynamo]

...the meals are not so carefully controlled that a couple more could not have been accommodated so those two children felt they were being treated the same as every other child....

they learned a valuable lesson that day

pay your debts and dont be LAZY

:clap1:

[Liam-]

they learned a valuable lesson that day

pay your debts and dont be LAZY

:clap1:

But they weren’t their debts, so the lesson they’ve really learned is, it’s okay to punish someone for someone else’s wrong doing, not a very good lesson for a school is it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

But they weren’t their debts, so the lesson they’ve really learned is, it’s okay to punish someone for someone else’s wrong doing, not a very good lesson for a school is it?

their family. they learned that family is famly and they are part of it

aslo that there mum was lazy and a liar to boot


every day is a school day

:spin2:

[Vicky.]

...of course food is thrown out from kitchens every single school day, Vicky...and by the head’s own words this rule was only ever designed to punish a child for a parental error...The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10....the family owes money../..the parent owes money...so the child will be denied a lunch...how is that not Dickensian...if it’s felt that these parents..(...not just the mother..)..are guilty of bad parenting in some way..?...then the primary solution to that from an establishment with a duty of care to children...is to uphold some £10 rule and give the children bread and butter only...(...while food is most definitely being thrown out..:laugh:..)

Thats not quite what the head said though :laugh: Saying you have a rule for when parents owe money, does not equate punishing kids for the parent being an irresponsible twat. Not in my eyes anyway.

I have never worked in a school dinner hall so have no experience of it, so can only go on what my kids schools say when they explain the lunches. And thats that the kids on dinners (paid or free) put their orders in. Orders are prepared elsewhere and stored. They given in premade trays. The school do not have spare trays, except when a kid leaves school ill in the morning or something. Hell, we have had issues before where even though the forms were filled out for orders 3 weeks back, the school actually 'order them' properly on the day (like, they give a list beforehand so the ingredients and such are there, but the actual food order goes in after morning marks apparently, for paid meals..the free ones are ordered regardless, and as such a kid who had ordered a free meal and was off, their meal would be going spare on that day), so when Skye has been late for various reasons, we have been told to send her with a packed lunch that day as orders have gone in already and there may be nothing for her. Fairly sure if I pushed they would manage to sort something, but I have never tried. But they also do not charge you for that day, obviously.

It all seems so stupid, and just totally backwards. But I can well see if that school is anything like theirs, that there will not be much spare, if any spare. They get in the amount of orders they put in. Sometimes have some flexibility if free meals have been ordered and not eaten though. But theres been a few times that Skyes not liked what she had, and they had nothing to replace it with. They do give her extra fruit in those cases though, as fruit is just in the school and not ordered daily obviously :laugh:

Also, the school does not have any provisions in place at all for parents who do not pay. But they don't do 'accounts' or whatever like this school must if they have to deal with debt often. Needs paid for at the start of the week/day, and if not, packed lunches must be brought. There is not even a grace day for mistakes, a few times Gavin has took the kids to school and forgot his wallet and had to walk back along to pay for meals! :laugh: he proper rages, and yes, again, it IS stupid.

It genuinely makes no sense to me, that the orders must be done 3 weeks in advance, yet they seem to not be able to handle the odd lateness due to the way ordering actually works?! But a lot of things about how schools are ran make no sense to me

[Vicky.]

...the meals are not so carefully controlled that a couple more could not have been accommodated so those two children felt they were being treated the same as every other child....

Of course, whichever school you work in may be different. But ours really are very very strictly controlled, and made offsite (which is possibly part of the problem with how controlled they are. If it was older way like making a bunch of stuff in the school kitchens then doling it out then of course it would be different). Have no reason to lie about this and fairly sure I have brought it up on here before too :shrug:

[Vicky.]

...all the meals are freshly cooked on the premises at that school, it says so...

OK this might be where we are at an impasse..as I cannot see this anywhere on the story and am assuming the school could be like the silly stinginess and lack of margin of error I see at my kids school.

If they actually are done there, then yeah there would likely be spare. There still does need to be a cutoff point for parents taking the pee though, probably higher than a tenner, but how far should it be able to climb before they can say enough is enough? or can they never say that as stopping parents from taking the piss is punishing kids?

Edit. I do see a statement about 'freshly cooked lunches' however, this is phrasing used at ours too..because technically it is freshly cooked as its done just before dinner time, just them moved to the school and kept warm til its given out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and one imagines this isnt the first time this has heppened with this lady and after a long while they decided with heavy heart that they had to do something...


imo

[Vicky.]

and one imagines this isnt the first time this has heppened with this lady and after a long while they decided with heavy heart that they had to do something...


imo

Well. We don't know that but honestly, its likely. Tends to be the same ones who take the piss and have been the reason for stuff like that being rules in the first place. if people did not take advantage, then the school wouldn't need to have blanket rules in the first place. Kind of like how our school did used to take kids who hadn't paid on trips if there were only a couple of them, but obviously this led to those same few parents just never paying because they knew they could get away with it, and so, a rule came in where if the money was not there, no go, no excuses, even if it was a first time, and the parent had contacted saying they would pay when picking the kid up or something just they had forgot. (this was at my school, like 20 years back now! Not even sure they are allowed to charge for trips anymore as we only ever tend to get 'suggested donation' letters?)

'Ms Dakin said she did not realise she owed the money because her sons had ordered dinners as well as taking a packed lunch before the Easter holidays.'

I actually do not understand that excuse? How could the kids have ordered dinners and took a packed lunch without her knowing? And for it to be over a tenner, this must have happened twice too?

As Ammi suggested earlier, I wouldn't be opposed to all schoolkids getting free meals tbh, would certainly save a lot of hassle. No idea where the funding would come from though.

[Ammi]

Thats not quite what the head said though :laugh: Saying you have a rule for when parents owe money, does not equate punishing kids for the parent being an irresponsible twat. Not in my eyes anyway.

I have never worked in a school dinner hall so have no experience of it, so can only go on what my kids schools say when they explain the lunches. And thats that the kids on dinners (paid or free) put their orders in. Orders are prepared elsewhere and stored. They given in premade trays. The school do not have spare trays, except when a kid leaves school ill in the morning or something. Hell, we have had issues before where even though the forms were filled out for orders 3 weeks back, the school actually 'order them' properly on the day (like, they give a list beforehand so the ingredients and such are there, but the actual food order goes in after morning marks apparently, for paid meals..the free ones are ordered regardless, and as such a kid who had ordered a free meal and was off, their meal would be going spare on that day), so when Skye has been late for various reasons, we have been told to send her with a packed lunch that day as orders have gone in already and there may be nothing for her. Fairly sure if I pushed they would manage to sort something, but I have never tried. But they also do not charge you for that day, obviously.

It all seems so stupid, and just totally backwards. But I can well see if that school is anything like theirs, that there will not be much spare, if any spare. They get in the amount of orders they put in. Sometimes have some flexibility if free meals have been ordered and not eaten though. But theres been a few times that Skyes not liked what she had, and they had nothing to replace it with. They do give her extra fruit in those cases though, as fruit is just in the school and not ordered daily obviously :laugh:

Also, the school does not have any provisions in place at all for parents who do not pay. But they don't do 'accounts' or whatever like this school must if they have to deal with debt often. Needs paid for at the start of the week/day, and if not, packed lunches must be brought. There is not even a grace day for mistakes, a few times Gavin has took the kids to school and forgot his wallet and had to walk back along to pay for meals! :laugh: he proper rages, and yes, again, it IS stupid.

It genuinely makes no sense to me, that the orders must be done 3 weeks in advance, yet they seem to not be able to handle the odd lateness due to the way ordering actually works?! But a lot of things about how schools are ran make no sense to me



...it’s not quite what the head said, it’s exactly what the head said, Vicky...

The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10


...the children are denied whenever the family owes...a debt to the school is not a family debt, it’s a parental debt only... and those are the head’s own words..that the children will be punished/will be denied because of a parental error or debt...

[Josy]

I feel sorry for the kids they shouldn't have suffered due to the mother or the school IMO

What happened to the lovely jolly dinner ladies from years ago though?

The Dinner ladies at our primary would never have allowed a kid to go hungry, regardless of what the school said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I feel sorry for the kids they shouldn't have suffered due to the mother or the school IMO

What happened to the lovely jolly dinner ladies from years ago though?

The Dinner ladies at our primary would never have allowed a kid to go hungry, regardless of what the school said.

they got a meal deal out of it so they probbly could not give a flying hoot

[Kazanne]

Looking hot in your new photo Parmy !!

:laugh::laugh: I was just thinking who is that ?:laugh:

[Josy]

they got a meal deal out of it so they probbly could not give a flying hootBread and butter though? That's stingy as hell

[user104658]

Honestly the idea that it's acceptable for a school of all places to single out, shame and punish CHILDREN for the mistakes of their parent is so totally alien to me that I don't even know where to start. And the "I'm sure they'll survive" quips are shortsighted, too. Kids are cruel and have long memories and these kids could easily be laughed at literally for the rest of their time in school for being "the bread and butter kids". It's nothing even close to being acceptable.

[Cherie]

I feel sorry for the kids they shouldn't have suffered due to the mother or the school IMO

What happened to the lovely jolly dinner ladies from years ago though?

The Dinner ladies at our primary would never have allowed a kid to go hungry, regardless of what the school said.

That all went out the window when schools became acadamies

[Josy]

That all went out the window when schools became acadamiesI'm blaming Jamie Oliver tbh

[Vicky.]

The headteacher said the 'bread and butter' rule was brought in so that children are denied a school lunch whenever a family owes more than £10




But you are taking this completely literally. Is what I meant, I know that taking the words exactly as said comes across that way. But IMO I am sure he did not mean the reason they do it is specifically so that the kids are blamed for the parents not being responsible..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bread and butter though? That's stingy as hell

:nono: could have been Tiger bread:shocked:

and they also got a Pink Lady


probably their first fruit of 2019

[Vicky.]

Honestly the idea that it's acceptable for a school of all places to single out, shame and punish CHILDREN for the mistakes of their parent is so totally alien to me that I don't even know where to start. And the "I'm sure they'll survive" quips are shortsighted, too. Kids are cruel and have long memories and these kids could easily be laughed at literally for the rest of their time in school for being "the bread and butter kids". It's nothing even close to being acceptable.

But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere? Or parents who don't want to send in packed lunches, but also don't want to pay for dinners..can just continually send the kids in with nothing and know the school will pick up the bill else the school is nasty and whatnot? And yes, some parents really are that awful unfortunately :S

[Ammi]

I feel sorry for the kids they shouldn't have suffered due to the mother or the school IMO

What happened to the lovely jolly dinner ladies from years ago though?

The Dinner ladies at our primary would never have allowed a kid to go hungry, regardless of what the school said.


..:love:...

Honestly the idea that it's acceptable for a school of all places to single out, shame and punish CHILDREN for the mistakes of their parent is so totally alien to me that I don't even know where to start. And the "I'm sure they'll survive" quips are shortsighted, too. Kids are cruel and have long memories and these kids could easily be laughed at literally for the rest of their time in school for being "the bread and butter kids". It's nothing even close to being acceptable.

..that’s so, so true...the type of thing that schools aim to prevent with children, of a child or family being singled out...?...the rule is awful and only aims to harm a child...

[Vicky.]

Bread and butter though? That's stingy as hell

And an apple. and drink

Not that much difference, but makes it slightly different/better D:

[Ammi]

But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere? Or parents who don't want to send in packed lunches, but also don't want to pay for dinners..can just continually send the kids in with nothing and know the school will pick up the bill else the school is nasty and whatnot? And yes, some parents really are that awful unfortunately :S

...the cut off point if there has to be one for something that is a real issue and persistent etc...?...should still never include any denial of something to a child that all other children are receiving...

[Vicky.]

...the cut off point if there has to be one for something that is a real issue and persistent etc...?...should still never include any denial of something to a child that all other children are receiving...

So there should not be a cutoff point then :shrug: Its fine if you think that, I just don't see how schools could really afford to do this longterm, especially the larger ones who will have a fair few parents who see the chance to save cash and take the pee.

[Ammi]

...and they take pride that they have fresh salads every day...so a salad and grated cheese with the bread and butter would be adequate....

[Vicky.]

Oh yeah the salad bar thing I did not pick up on. if theres a salad bar, then of course theres spare of that so no harm in the kids getting that. A salad sandwich, an apple and a drink is probably the kind of thing some send their kids in with for packed lunch. Sure thats what our school ****ing wanted us to do day in day out, given their apparent hatred of anything sugary and salty, unless its the school dinners being chicken nuggets and chips followed by icecream :D

[Ammi]

So there should not be a cutoff point then :shrug: Its fine if you think that, I just don't see how schools could really afford to do this longterm, especially the larger ones who will have a fair few parents who see the chance to save cash and take the pee.

...it’s not that there shouldn’t be one, I think I said that..if something has become an issue in terms of payment then I would expect a school to take action...against the parents though, not against the children...it is not the children who bare any responsibility for payment...

[Vicky.]

...it’s not that there shouldn’t be one, I think I said that..if something has become an issue in terms of payment then I would expect a school to take action...against the parents though, not against the children...it is not the children who bare any responsibility for payment...

Yeah but, how would they take action, if they are also unable to get the debt to reduce, or even halt!

Its odd, I would have seen this the total opposite way around I think, had I not actually had kids and experienced the kind of cuts schools have going on these days :/ Would have just assumed everything was fine like it was when i was there, and there seemed to be an endless pot. Also had I not seen many parents willingly take advantage, leaving schools having to punish the many for the few..else have more taking the mick

[Livia]

...no actually you’re wrong, Livia...not every school is caring...schools are very much money making businesses now so they vary a lot but they do all have a duty of care ...which is not the same as ‘being caring’...and tbh ‘conjecture’ is not really relevant to this as that school will have had some food left over unless they’re a unique school like no other in the country...

We've heard nothing from the school. So anything we're saying about the school is all conjecture.

[Denver]

And an apple. and drink

Not that much difference, but makes it slightly different/better D:

I'd have been happy with a banana sandwich tbh

[Redway]

Got to agree with Ammi on this one.

[Liam-]

I'd have been happy with a banana sandwich tbh

:drool:

[Redway]

their family. they learned that family is famly and they are part of it

aslo that there mum was lazy and a liar to boot


every day is a school day

:spin2:

What debt lesson's of any value to young boys of that age though LT?

[Ammi]

Yeah but, how would they take action, if they are also unable to get the debt to reduce, or even halt!

Its odd, I would have seen this the total opposite way around I think, had I not actually had kids and experienced the kind of cuts schools have going on these days :/ Would have just assumed everything was fine like it was when i was there, and there seemed to be an endless pot. Also had I not seen many parents willingly take advantage, leaving schools having to punish the many for the few..else have more taking the mick

...well they would speak to the parent to see if payment was an issue..(..if it was an issue and a persistent thing..)...a text can’t cover that...and if it wasn’t an issue but just something that had been forgotten ..?...then arrange for the payment to be made, no need to deny the children a full lunchtime meal...if payment was an issue for whatever reason...then paying off what is owed in instalments would be an option for them to discuss...again no reason to deny the children a full lunchtime meal though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

What debt lesson's of any value to young boys of that age though LT?

is there a specific age to learn?

[Vicky.]

Ammi I think we should agree to disagree here. As its odd for us to be polar opposites but we seem to be, and also am a bit knackered and possibly cranky :laugh:

Been different, being on opposite sides to you for once anyway :p

[Redway]

Wouldn't have killed anyone add a slice of ham on the bread like.

[Ammi]

Ammi I think we should agree to disagree here. As its odd for us to be polar opposites but we seem to be, and also am a bit knackered and possibly cranky :laugh:

Been different, being on opposite sides to you for once anyway :p

..:love:...


..yeah I’m quite tired myself actually, we’ll both agree to try to get an early night...that’s if you’re able to...

[Cherie]

]But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere? Or parents who don't want to send in packed lunches, but also don't want to pay for dinners..can just continually send the kids in with nothing and know the school will pick up the bill else the school is nasty and whatnot? And yes, some parents really are that awful unfortunately [/B]:S

:clap1:

Its always someone elses fault, in this case its the schools because she didnt pay her bill, who forgets to send their childs lunch money to school, its sort of ingrained in you, same as sending in their PE kit and making sure they have their book bag

[user104658]

But again, surely you agree there must be a cutoff point somewhere?

Sure; several months behind and after having several private conversations with the parent to ensure that there isn't some sort of underlying financial struggle going on.

Refusing kids their lunch and handing out bread and butter in front of their peers over a debt of £18? That falls just a little bit short of a "reasonable cut off".

[Ammi]

Sure; several months behind and after having several private conversations with the parent to ensure that there isn't some sort of underlying financial struggle going on.

Refusing kids their lunch and handing out bread and butter in front of their peers over a debt of £18? That falls just a little bit short of a "reasonable cut off".

..yeah I would definitely agree, TS...If it were a persistent amount owing and the school were concerned about it, it’s something they should have been discussing with the parents as to the best way to pay for the lunches....while obviously finding out if there were any financial worries or changes because that’s also something the school lady be able to help with...discreetly...


...the children should never have been denied a full meal and just be given what they were instead....a school would make a child feel different for the sum of £10..?....an awful policy....

[Cherie]

Schools receive no extra funding for meals and the food, staffing costs and the running of the kitchen all have to be financed through dinner money payments.

'Parents are always sent a text on the day they go into debt and this will happen on a daily basis when the school is in session, until the debt is paid.

[bots]

the rule may not be very pleasant, but such rules are needed none the less. Without rules, no-one would pay and expect a free lunch and it wouldnt be long before the school was in financial straits itself

With hundreds of pupils to look after, the school just wont have the resources to do a touchy feely procedure.

[Denver]

Sure; several months behind and after having several private conversations with the parent to ensure that there isn't some sort of underlying financial struggle going on.

Refusing kids their lunch and handing out bread and butter in front of their peers over a debt of £18? That falls just a little bit short of a "reasonable cut off".

Several months would leave debts over a 100 quid which is fundamentally to schools and their food produce

[user104658]

Schools receive no extra funding for meals and the food, staffing costs and the running of the kitchen all have to be financed through dinner money payments.



With hundreds of pupils to look after, the school just wont have the resources to do a touchy feely procedure.

So the shameful neglect of state education by successive UK governments is the excuse now being used to justify mocking and shaming two young children? Meh. Call me sanctimonious if you must but yeah, I do harshly judge anyone who feels anything but sympathy for these kids.

[Denver]

Shaming them would be forcing them without food not making sure they ate

[Livia]

So the shameful neglect of state education by successive UK governments is the excuse now being used to justify mocking and shaming two young children? Meh. Call me sanctimonious if you must but yeah, I do harshly judge anyone who feels anything but sympathy for these kids.

And the mother? She alone is responsible for these kids being mocked and shamed by taking it to the press instead of paying her bills.

I'm going to judge harshly anyone criticising this school without hearing anything from them, and taking the mother's version as read.

[Cherie]

So the shameful neglect of state education by successive UK governments is the excuse now being used to justify mocking and shaming two young children? Meh. Call me sanctimonious if you must but yeah, I do harshly judge anyone who feels anything but sympathy for these kids.

so now its the politicians fault? we are were we are politically because that is who the country voted in, and we cant change that until the next election, you can judge me all you like, as a mother I am judging her and her partner, get your bill paid, its online, its not like you have to scrabble around for a tenner any more, if it takes you into overdraft so be it, and if you have a problem paying it, contact the school, do not ignore texts