Channel 4 gets 922 complaints over Emilys expulsion from the house. (and related threads merged)

[Mrluvaluva]

From Sky News

Channel 4 received nearly 1,000 complaints about last night's Big Brother episode - all saying Emily Parr should not have been evicted.

Evicted: Emily ParrThe 19-year-old drama student was thrown out of the house after she called black contestant Charley Uchea a "******".

Last night's show attracted an average of 4.6 million viewers - peaking at five million - which is the highest audience of the current series since launch night.

As well as 922 complaints backing Parr, the broadcaster also received 68 messages supporting its stance.

Media watchdog Ofcom received 140 complaints, but the nature of the calls was not revealed.

Instead of tonight's planned eviction, which has now been cancelled, two more men will enter the house.

Channel 4 bosses acted quickly after being damaged by the last series of Celebrity Big Brother, when they were accused of not taking allegations of racist abuse seriously enough.

The race row earlier this year involving Jade Goody, Danielle Lloyd, Jo O'Meara and Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty sparked over 44,000 complaints.

But Channel 4 bosses faced criticism again for deciding to screen the word in last night's highlights show - which it said was done to give context to the day's events.

A brief warning that it contained "racially offensive language and strong language" was given before the show started and the word is to be bleeped over in streaming on E4 and in any repeats.

Charley, Emily and Nicky Maxwell were standing in the garden at around 8.30pm on Wednesday night when the incident took place.

Charley started to stick out her stomach and Emily said: "You're pushing it out, you ******."

Both Charley and Nicky told her they were shocked by what she had said.

At 3am the following morning Emily was woken and called into the diary room, where she defended herself by saying she had not meant to be offensive.

Shilpa Shetty"Where I come from, it's just like a friendly term you know, making fun of people, being in a group, pally," she said.

She added: "It wasn't the smartest move to make. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I am so sorry - I really didn't mean it offensively..."

Head of the Big Brother commissioning team for Channel 4, Angela Jain, said the word was used "carelessly rather than maliciously" but that it was "clearly racially offensive".

The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) said: "Whichever way you look at it, the 'N' word is clearly offensive", but added that it was relieved Channel 4 had acted so quickly.

Pressure group Mediawatch condemned the decision to broadcast the offensive word.

National spokesman Dave Turtle said: "They shouldn't broadcast any material which is racially offensive. This will certainly undermine the programme and more importantly, cause resentment. It's very unhelpful."

Shilpa Shetty said: "I'm glad that Channel 4 has taken action. Well I'm really happy and I compliment them on the action they have taken."

[Princess]

Ridiculous!!!!

[alp882]

good I am going to complain too, it would only have been wrong what she said if it was said in an aggressive way.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Look at it this way...

There will be complaints if she gets chucked out and there will be complains if she stays.
C4 made the right decision.

[Chrizzle]

Pathetic

[Dan_]

Originally posted by alp882
good I am going to complain too, it would only have been wrong what she said if it was said in an aggressive way.

There's no justification for her to be using that word, aggressive or not.

[Rory]

Nah, she can't go back in. So no more eye candy in the house...besides Carole!

[Lance]

Just can't win nowadays.

Imagine the complaints if she hadn't been removed.

[Arneldo]

Any excuse to ring the good people of Ofcom, eh?

I bet if BB didn't remove her from the house more then that would have complained. There is no pleasing people, no matter which way it went people would have complained. It's ridiculous.

1,000 complaints? Does anyone know how many members there are in the BNP?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Rory
Nah, she can't go back in. So no more eye candy in the house...besides Carole!

Carole! Phwooaaarrr!!!!

[the_chosen_one]

Glad to see equality is still being supported.

Originally posted by Lance
Just can't win nowadays.

Imagine the complaints if she hadn't been removed.

Agreed. It's an issue which must be faced.

[Wiglet]

Damned if you do and damned if you don't .........:bored:

[MarkWaldorf]

I told you this would happen!!!!!
People made it a big deal, and now it's 'become' one.

[Ruth*Star]

^^Exactly, they would have came under flak if they had ignored it.

[MarkWaldorf]

Oh wait, is it for her to come back? :conf2:

[Mrluvaluva]

Complaints are at her removal from the house Mark.

[alp882]

Dan_

I agree with what you said but why on earth is Ok for Charlie to say ******

[sunlight]

i just think people have got used to people talking bad about black people. that's why some don't think it matters any more.

[Sam]

Originally posted by wiglet
Damned if you do and damned if you don't .........:bored:

Exactly, couldnt have put it better myself

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Complaints are at her removal from the house Mark.

Ahh! Thanks.
Well I agree with them, she shouldn't have been removed.

[JOSHUAH!]

Look at it this way. Channel 4 would never have won either way.
If she hadn't been thrown out the other half of people would of been complaining that she wasnt being chucked out.
and vice versa.

[Wiglet]

Watching her this morning (as I fell asleep last night), I know she was half asleep but there really was no excuse for what she did. One minute saying it wasn't offensive and the next saying it would like that way?

I felt for her I really did but look at it this way. If you had a job and you failed to abide by the rules whatever they were, you are given your chances, but if it is something serious then this can be considered gross misconduct and for that there is instant dismissal. This is what happaned to Emily.

She knew the rules and that 'slip of the tongue' cost her any further time in the house; (which may have been only a couple of days anyway)?

I can't understand why people are wasting their time contacting channel 4 over this? There are more important things going on in the world?

[Sunny_01]

its a no win thing for the production team, at the end of the day the did what they felt was right!

I cant see how Ofcom can do anything about them removing someone from the house if they look at the decision making process and how the decision was reached.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Look at it this way...

There will be complaints if she gets chucked out and there will be complains if she stays.
C4 made the right decision.

Exactly, they can never win!!! :rolleyes:

[JOSHUAH!]

If OFCOM gives them a hard time for this its just daft, because OFCOM had a go at them for letting it go so far with CBB.

[Bells]

Perhaps people would rather have seen her be punished a different way. But 922 isn't many, to be fair. I've said this a few times, but I'll say it again - I think things would have been a lot more difficult for Emily had she stayed in the house. For one thing, I wouldn't be feeling sympathy for her. And I'm pretty confident that a great deal more complaints would've been received had she stayed as opposed to gone on the basis of what she said.

For Emily's own good, IMO, it was lucky that BB took immediate action and removed her before any more was said, and the situation could be put aside.

[Turrican]

Originally posted by Lance
Just can't win nowadays.

Imagine the complaints if she hadn't been removed.

probably a hell-load more. Consider that 46,000 people complained about Jade calling Shilpa a popadom behind her back. Emily called Charley a N****ER to her FACE!.

If C4 didnt remove Emily the entire show would be closed, I am 100% sure of that.

Those people complaining that she was removed are probably just BNP supporters. :hug:

[cgimusic]

68 to 922. Good for Emily. She should never have been evicted.

[James_15]

Thats not many complaints atall if u think about it

[Turrican]

not many complaints at all, 4,600,000 people watched.. only a thousand complained.

I think most people like me loved every single second of watching that brat squirm in her seat, regretting her racist little mouth ever opened.

She was so confident she would win this BB too. :kiss: Karma.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Turrican
Those people complaining that she was removed are probably just BNP supporters. :hug:

I find that offensive

I have always sort to remove BNP posters and stickers whenever I could, yet I am uneasy about how Channel 4 acted here.

I have not contacted Ofcom, but it is comments like that may make people more reticent in complaining.

Now regarding numbers, there is an old rule of thumb that for every letter or phone call to the media, it is taken that there is 10,000 others, of the same opinion who did not get to complain (It may be 50k but lets just be conservative here)

1000 calls
922 (92%) objected to her removal
68 (7%) supporting the descision


Are you going to write off 92% as all BNP / NF members? That sounds like one of the old soviet states here and is dangerous.

The incident happened

There was no hatred or perceived victimisation as there was in CBB.

The HM's were dealing with it

The event did not appear on the live feed, so it was C4 who put this in the public domain. This could have been handled in a much more discreet manner. Talking with Charlie, to whom this was directed, Nikky a witness and then Emmiley, who one suspects would not repeat the offence. C4 then could have just not broadcast this, or flagged it

The N word now has been broadcast far and wide, when it could have been denied the oxygen of publicity that C4 chose to give it.

[officialleafan]

I get the feeling this could be the last series of Big brother!

[officialleafan]

Sorry if it's been posted!!!

Nearly 1,000 Big Brother fans have contacted Channel 4 to complain about its ejection of Emily Parr from the reality show.

The broadcaster said 922 phone calls and emails had been received by 2pm today saying that she should have remained on the show. An additional 68 viewers had praised Channel 4 over its handling of the affair.

Some viewers have apparently registered concerns with the broadcaster that Parr is being used as a scapegoat as Channel 4 seeks to be seen to coming down hard on such behaviour, and are concerned the matter will brand her "something that she may well not be."

Despite 270 people having now complained to Ofcom about the channel's decision to broadcast the word "n****r" uncensored, the channel has received no complaints about this directly.

Channel 4 has cancelled tonight's eviction vote which was due to feature Parr and Shabnam Paryani.

[Slezer]

I feel BB had no other choice than to kick her out. Harsh but it was the only option.

[officialleafan]

I couldn't agree more!

[ryanaldinho10]

Originally posted by Slezer
I feel BB had no other choice than to kick her out. Harsh but it was the only option.

I agree, there would have been even more complaints if she had stayed in, plus we would have had to put up with GMTV slagging it off for weeks, this way it can all be forgotten, especially after two new housemates go in tonight! YAY! :bigsmile:

[~SAMZ~]

I think they had to kick her out after cbb. If they hadnt kicked her out i would imagine there would of been alot more than 1000 complaints

[officialleafan]

I miss Emily. SHe was a good housemate!

[GabrielleisLove]

It's disheartening to know there are some people who disagree with this descision. It must be her mates and family.

[Slezer]

Just because certain rappers use the word doesnt automatically make it okay. It was said in a weird way aswell.

[Cody™]

this is a load of rubbish. people obviously have alot of time on their hands lol..

if they hadnt have thrown her out the house then its would have generated far more complaints.

i think channel 4 would rather get complaints for gettin rid of her, rather than complaints for keeping her.

[marky]

I'm sorry but I don't care if she used the 'N' word in a good way, she needed to be kicked from the house. Remember what happened in Celeb BB? The racisim there went on enough, did she NOT see or read what happened in there? I'm sure she did!

The coment she made was deliberate and calculated, BB done the right thing.

There is NO room on TV for people or remarks like that. I have members of my family that are black and I can't EVER imagine calling any of them a N****R, even as a joke :nono:

[Turrican]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Turrican
Those people complaining that she was removed are probably just BNP supporters. :hug:

I find that offensive

I have always sort to remove BNP posters and stickers whenever I could, yet I am uneasy about how Channel 4 acted here.

I have not contacted Ofcom, but it is comments like that may make people more reticent in complaining.

Now regarding numbers, there is an old rule of thumb that for every letter or phone call to the media, it is taken that there is 10,000 others, of the same opinion who did not get to complain (It may be 50k but lets just be conservative here)

1000 calls
922 (92%) objected to her removal
68 (7%) supporting the descision


Are you going to write off 92% as all BNP / NF members? That sounds like one of the old soviet states here and is dangerous.

The incident happened

There was no hatred or perceived victimisation as there was in CBB.

The HM's were dealing with it

The event did not appear on the live feed, so it was C4 who put this in the public domain. This could have been handled in a much more discreet manner. Talking with Charlie, to whom this was directed, Nikky a witness and then Emmiley, who one suspects would not repeat the offence. C4 then could have just not broadcast this, or flagged it

The N word now has been broadcast far and wide, when it could have been denied the oxygen of publicity that C4 chose to give it.

Only problem with your maths here is that many polls have been done online already which go in favour of what C4 did. And adding imaginery numbers to the hard facts is just silly now. So we can totally dismiss what you've said there.

You cannot compare what happened in CBB with what happened here. In CBB (although I HATED what Jade and Co. did) nobody actually called her a pa*i to her face did they?

Emily called Charley a Ni**er to her FACE! A word with deeply hurtful meaning behind it.

So, yes I will say it again - those very few minority who rang up and complained that C4 kicked emily out: I say those people are as bad as her. And we all know what she is now and her family are quite rightly disowning her (apparantly).

:hello:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Slezer
I feel BB had no other choice than to kick her out. Harsh but it was the only option.

Er no

This could have been kept under wraps as the HM's likely to be effected had been dealing with it and it was a totally different situation from before. C4 chose to put it into the public domain, as the incident was never on the live feed. It need never have been shown and we would not be giving air time to an offensive word.

As a side point here, just so there is no TOS violation with the hosting company for TIBB, could you please refer to it as the N word and not spell it out?

[Turrican]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Slezer
I feel BB had no other choice than to kick her out. Harsh but it was the only option.

Er no

This could have been kept under wraps as the HM's likely to be effected had been dealing with it and it was a totally different situation from before. C4 chose to put it into the public domain, as the incident was never on the live feed. It need never have been shown and we would not be giving air time to an offensive word.

As a side point here, just so there is no TOS violation with the hosting company for TIBB, could you please refer to it as the N word and not spell it out?

I was going to agree with you until I thought a little harder and realised something. Something which BB probably realised also: Charley is a LOUD MOUTH! I don't think Charley and Nicky could have resisted telling everyone what Emily had said and it would have been a big part of the show for at least a day - what would BB be showing on the highlights if not for this N word drama ? I'm not sure if they had any other choice when you really think about it.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Slezer
I feel BB had no other choice than to kick her out. Harsh but it was the only option.

Er no

This could have been kept under wraps as the HM's likely to be effected had been dealing with it and it was a totally different situation from before. C4 chose to put it into the public domain, as the incident was never on the live feed. It need never have been shown and we would not be giving air time to an offensive word.

As a side point here, just so there is no TOS violation with the hosting company for TIBB, could you please refer to it as the N word and not spell it out?

Who are you to say the HM were dealing with it.
Charley and Nikki were still up at 3am talking about it and Charley was clearly affected by the comment.

[Lil-Lindz]

just think of the number of complaints BB would have recieved if she had of stayed, BB only had two options and they choose the right option

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Turrican


Only problem with your maths here is that many polls have been done online already which go in favour of what C4 did. And adding imaginery numbers to the hard facts is just silly now. So we can totally dismiss what you've said there.

You cannot compare what happened in CBB with what happened here. In CBB (although I HATED what Jade and Co. did) nobody actually called her a pa*i to her face did they?

Emily called Charley a Ni**er to her FACE! A word with deeply hurtful meaning behind it.

So, yes I will say it again - those very few minority who rang up and complained that C4 kicked emily out:

I say those people are as bad as her.

So when is the tarring and feathering going to take place ?

In the other case it was alleged that it was done behind Shilpa's back, does that make it ok, if it happened.

Originally posted by Turrican

And we all know what she is now and her family are quite rightly disowning her (apparantly).

:hello:


Can you supply a source for this please? :nono:

From your tone here it sounds like you would like her to be publicly executed, so the question is guillotine, firing squad electric chair? - Get real please

Have you never said the wrong thing by error?

Why are you personalizing it?

This is real racism (http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/chroniclelive/eveningchronicle/tm_method=full%26objectid=19266694%26siteid=50081-name_page.html)

Getting back to polls and numbers, it is well established that people will always answer pollsters in the way they think is the correct way. Online polls are also less accurate, because all you have to do is clear your cookies and vote again, skewing the result even more.

These complaints represent real data, and the "imaginary" numbers are a rule of thumb I got from someone who is the editor of a inhouse church magazine who has experience in this field, which gives editors an estimate of real public opinion.

Just because we may say hang on a moment, does that mean we must be ignored?

When the boy pointed out that the emperor had no clothes, was he vilified?

[Amy21]

I cant believe ther complaints about this. Big Brother dealt with his quickly so there isnt anything to complain about. And I dont think anyone should stick up for Emily saying she was wrongly evicted when she broke the rules. You break the rules you suffer the consequences you dotn get away with things you do.

[easypeasy]

Well said Stix, +1.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Amy21
I cant believe ther complaints about this. Big Brother dealt with his quickly so there isnt anything to complain about. And I dont think anyone should stick up for Emily saying she was wrongly evicted when she broke the rules. You break the rules you suffer the consequences you dotn get away with things you do.

Sorry, but sticking up for Emily is not the point, the point is that an offensive word has been given prominence when it need not, because of a knee jerk reaction by Channel 4

There has been rule breaking before in the house, and they have not all ended in evictions. The only ones I can think of are Nick (BB1) and Dawn (BB7). Channel 4 has been inconsistent all along, because it suited them to do so. One has to wonder why.

[sunlight]

dawn from bb 7 was kicked out for less. did anyone complain than.

[Sticks]

Dawn was cheating, and come to think of it, so was Nick.

[easypeasy]

didnt shahbaz call Dawn "N###a" last year on the live stream? im sure he did.......

[Sticks]

Maybe, but that was before OffCom stuck their oar in

[Turrican]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Turrican


Only problem with your maths here is that many polls have been done online already which go in favour of what C4 did. And adding imaginery numbers to the hard facts is just silly now. So we can totally dismiss what you've said there.

You cannot compare what happened in CBB with what happened here. In CBB (although I HATED what Jade and Co. did) nobody actually called her a pa*i to her face did they?

Emily called Charley a Ni**er to her FACE! A word with deeply hurtful meaning behind it.

So, yes I will say it again - those very few minority who rang up and complained that C4 kicked emily out:

I say those people are as bad as her.

So when is the tarring and feathering going to take place ?

In the other case it was alleged that it was done behind Shilpa's back, does that make it ok, if it happened.

Originally posted by Turrican

And we all know what she is now and her family are quite rightly disowning her (apparantly).

:hello:


Can you supply a source for this please? :nono:

From your tone here it sounds like you would like her to be publicly executed, so the question is guillotine, firing squad electric chair? - Get real please

Have you never said the wrong thing by error?

Why are you personalizing it?

This is real racism (http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/chroniclelive/eveningchronicle/tm_method=full%26objectid=19266694%26siteid=50081-name_page.html)

Getting back to polls and numbers, it is well established that people will always answer pollsters in the way they think is the correct way. Online polls are also less accurate, because all you have to do is clear your cookies and vote again, skewing the result even more.

These complaints represent real data, and the "imaginary" numbers are a rule of thumb I got from someone who is the editor of a inhouse church magazine who has experience in this field, which gives editors an estimate of real public opinion.

Just because we may say hang on a moment, does that mean we must be ignored?

When the boy pointed out that the emperor had no clothes, was he vilified?

Ah I see your going back to making up things again and assuming imaginery words that were not in any of my text. Since when did I say that anyone should be tortured or executed for this??? Your words not mine. You seem quite disturbed to me to be thinking of such things.

My ONLY arguement here is that people shouldnt be fussing over her being thrown out of BB - those people who are protesting against it are as bad as her. That is all i've said and I stand by it.

So, less of the "estimating" and guessing and attempting to read my mind, you are no Jedi yet!

:pat:

[xcharleyx]

I'm glad people are supporting Emily, it was nothing like what jade did.

[MR.K!]

i dont see why people bother complaining.. there was a perfectly good reason why she was removed and i think it was the right desition (never liked her anyway)

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Turrican
Ah I see your going back to making up things again and assuming imaginery words that were not in any of my text.

Well they were not explicit, I will grant you that

Originally posted by Turrican
Since when did I say that anyone should be tortured or executed for this??? Your words not mine. You seem quite disturbed to me to be thinking of such things.

I was refering to your tone, rather than your words and I got that from this

Originally posted by Turrican

And we all know what she is now and her family are quite rightly disowning her (apparantly).

:hello:



The :hello: came across as gloating over the idea that her family now consider her dead to them and not their daughter and airbrushed out of their family, wish to have nothing further to do with her ever, cutting her off without a penny etc. The Germans have a word for it, Schadenfreude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude)

Malicious glee or gloating is what comes across as disturbing. This is not the Roman Colosseum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colosseum)

Originally posted by Turrican
My ONLY arguement here is that people shouldnt be fussing over her being thrown out of BB - those people who are protesting against it are as bad as her. That is all i've said and I stand by it.

And my argument is that C4 mishandled the affair, because they were running scared of OfCom and made the situation worse.


Originally posted by Turrican

So, less of the "estimating" and guessing and attempting to read my mind, you are no Jedi yet!

:pat:

Back to the numbers again, someone tried to dismiss them, and I just pointed out a ready reckoner that helps gauge opinion from what data you collect, to show that things are not always what they seem. As for reading minds, I do not have to do that, the tone of what some people write can be seen quite clearly and it is just as unpleasant.

[the_chosen_one]

Very well put Sticks, particularly the comparison of the Roman Coliseum, with this irrational baying for condemnation, like a hunger that needs to be satisfied. The ignorant are frighteningly desperate to brand this girl a racist, and make it stick. I wonder why.

[scorpblik]

hmm since my topic was locked...

Why are mixed-race people accepted more by blacks than whites??



When I say mixed race I am not talking about south east asian, lationo arabs etc. I am talking about the backgrounds the majority of mixed race people in the UK come from which is Black Africa/Carribean and White British background.

Charley has said she is mixed race and her mother is white and father black but she is seen as just being a black woman, some on the ds:bb forum have defended this claim because she called herself a "n****r".

I know black people try to distance themseles from mixed race people as well but when you see Charley mentioned in news she is not a mixed raced person she is always referred to as a "black housemate".

Is this to do with just the actual appearance of her skin colour (because she does have equal black/white lineage)

or

a stereotype because of the way she lives her life and how she speaks is miore common in a black woman than a white one.

[ben_evans_07]

I think that is a load of bull shevshould of being evicted, wheather she meant it or not she was still being racist, an that cannot be changed, they were right to kick her out, racism of any ort should not be tolerated, accidentaly or not.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by ben_evans_07
I think that is a load of bull shevshould of being evicted, wheather she meant it or not she was still being racist, an that cannot be changed, they were right to kick her out, racism of any ort should not be tolerated, accidentaly or not.

So, suppose someone has never heard of the N word, they have always got on with people of different nationalities and ethnicities. They come across the N word for the first time and then ask someone what it means, in the process saying the N word

Are they suddenly a rabid racist bigot?

Of course they are and must be immediately tarred and feathered, well by this post they must be.


:cloud::rolleyes:

[Turrican]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by ben_evans_07
I think that is a load of bull shevshould of being evicted, wheather she meant it or not she was still being racist, an that cannot be changed, they were right to kick her out, racism of any ort should not be tolerated, accidentaly or not.

So, suppose someone has never heard of the N word, they have always got on with people of different nationalities and ethnicities. They come across the N word for the first time and then ask someone what it means, in the process saying the N word

Are they suddenly a rabid racist bigot?

Of course they are and must be immediately tarred and feathered, well by this post they must be.


:cloud::rolleyes:

This was not the case with Emily, she claimed to be highly intelligent, she was not ignorant. She knew the meaning of the word. And yes, clearly she is a racist bigot. There was absolutly no need for that word to be used in that context and it just "slipped" out of her - as she admitted she and her friends call each other the word all the time (at their KKK meetings most likely!) LOL!

and sticks, stop exagerating about how we want her executed or tarred and feathered (zzz) or comparing this to a Roman Colleseum. These are all your words not mine and you claim that you sense this is what I want from the "tone" of my posts - you are wrong. I'm happy that Emily was removed (even though I wasted 2£ trying to evict her before) but I don't wish her to be mutilated, executed or thrown into the firey depths of your imaginery hell.

Again, please less guess work - you shouldnt assume things, you just make an ASS out of U and ME.

Ever heard that saying? :)

[bananarama]

Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

[Turrican]

Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

As I explained to sticks earlier, this theory is all very nice on the surface but when you think harder - I really dont think BB could have kept this covered up and the reason is CHARLEY - she wouldnt let it drop, and the house has been in turmoil for at least a day because of it. What would BB have shown in highlites if they had covered it all up? The garden wall? Everyone was discussing it most of the day.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Turrican
Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

As I explained to sticks earlier, this theory is all very nice on the surface but when you think harder - I really dont think BB could have kept this covered up and the reason is CHARLEY - she wouldnt let it drop, and the house has been in turmoil for at least a day because of it. What would BB have shown in highlites if they had covered it all up? The garden wall? Everyone was discussing it most of the day.



True Charley may have persisted with it as she talks twenty to the dozen. Never the less CH4 have the editing power to edit out Charly comments. They could of course have consulted Charley to find out what she wanted to happen and then go with her wishes. they did not therfore the main motivation to have a race based eviction was simply for ratings

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

And then what would have happened to Big Brother when Charley came out and started shouting her mouth off about being racially abused in the BB house?

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

You are so right, no-one had ever seen it but yet like you say they chose to show it and exploit her to increase ratings. I am not excusing her behaviour but did she really need to be made into a public figure of hatred?

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Turrican
This was not the case with Emily, she claimed to be highly intelligent, she was not ignorant. She knew the meaning of the word. And yes, clearly she is a racist bigot. There was absolutly no need for that word to be used in that context and it just "slipped" out of her - as she admitted she and her friends call each other the word all the time (at their KKK meetings most likely!) LOL!



If you were listening, she said that it was her friends, who were black who threw it around, and this is plausible because there are some who feel they are reclaiming the N word.

Where are you getting that she is a racist bigot? Unattributed sources from the gutter tabloids, hardly a credible source.

For your information, The KKK was a movement in the southern United States and never made it across the Atlantic because it's origins were from the aftermath from American Civil war (See here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk)


Originally posted by Turrican
and sticks, stop exagerating about how we want her executed or tarred and feathered (zzz) or comparing this to a Roman Colleseum. These are all your words not mine and you claim that you sense this is what I want from the "tone" of my posts - you are wrong. I'm happy that Emily was removed (even though I wasted 2£ trying to evict her before) but I don't wish her to be mutilated, executed or thrown into the firey depths of your imaginery hell.


I am using something called Satire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire) which sometimes is the only way to get a point across and make people realise the logical conclusion of what they are saying. It is a standard debating tactic.

As for the Roman Colosseum, if you do a search on TIBB you will find I have used this comparison before, because people here go overboard and take to being personal about HM's and wishing them actual harm which is in breach of forum regulations. I have seen so much bile over the years of Big Brother that I find it easy to spot, and it is not very edifying or pleasant. They end up baying for blood, as if they were in the Roman Colesseum, so I think the comparison is quite valid.


Originally posted by Turrican
Again, please less guess work - you shouldnt assume things, you just make an ASS out of U and ME.

Ever heard that saying? :)

Yes I have

And for the record I was totally neutral on the pair who were up. I did not support any of them, my annoyance is that Channel 4 chose to put this word into the public domain. It was obvious it was not a repeat of CBB, the people affected were handling it and bringing the perpetrator into line and nobody on the outside had seen it as it was not on the live feed. There was no need to do this, and we would not be dancing around a racially offensive word, seeing it in acres of newsprint.

This was heavy handed and a knee jerk reaction just so C4 can gain a few brownie points (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points)

922 people rang and complained to point this out, that is 922 real data points, not anonymous and unreliable on-line opinion polls. So what do we hear, that they must be members of the BNP. Who is doing the assuming there?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

And then what would have happened to Big Brother when Charley came out and started shouting her mouth off about being racially abused in the BB house?


As i said they should have consulted Charley and gone with her wishes. Had she blabbed afterwards then CH4 would be in the clear as Charley would have broken the agreement and CH4 would have been not guilty of broadcasting racist material.

It is not channel 4's duty to expose racism on BB it is CH4 's duty not to offend the public......Editing would have ensured that....

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Jaz0
Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

And then what would have happened to Big Brother when Charley came out and started shouting her mouth off about being racially abused in the BB house?


As i said they should have consulted Charley and gone with her wishes. Had she blabbed afterwards then CH4 would be in the clear as Charley would have broken the agreement and CH4 would have been not guilty of broadcasting racist material.

It is not channel 4's duty to expose racism on BB it is CH4 's duty not to offend the public......Editing would have ensured that....

Okay but I still feel that it was a no-win situation for them, if Charley had come out and gone to the press with it, I'm almost certain that BB would have received just as many complaints for keeping the viewing public 'in the dark' or something along those lines...

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Jaz0
Originally posted by bananarama
Lets face it Emily was not evicted because of the race word she was evicted for the ratings. They new a race motivated eviction would draw in the viewers.

Channel 4 could have edited it all out and privately given Emily a final warning. The public would never have known. Instead they broadcast it and used Emily and her stupidity to earn themselves higher ratings for what is thus far a rather poor series of BB

And then what would have happened to Big Brother when Charley came out and started shouting her mouth off about being racially abused in the BB house?


As i said they should have consulted Charley and gone with her wishes. Had she blabbed afterwards then CH4 would be in the clear as Charley would have broken the agreement and CH4 would have been not guilty of broadcasting racist material.

It is not channel 4's duty to expose racism on BB it is CH4 's duty not to offend the public......Editing would have ensured that....

Okay but I still feel that it was a no-win situation for them, if Charley had come out and gone to the press with it, I'm almost certain that BB would have received just as many complaints for keeping the viewing public 'in the dark' or something along those lines...


True it was a difficult situation for them because of the Ofcom ruling. However as usual they selected the easy option not the sensible option.

They allowed the celebrities in CBB to hang themselves. They could have stopped some of it. they did not because it is all about ratings and keeping the advertisers happy.....

Even if it means a housemate might be motivated into thinking about suicide....Racism may be bad but it does not warrant a death sentence or an unlimited sentence of public hatred. Even double murderers don't get that sort of brutality issued on them....

[Sticks]

Except the advertisers ran for the hills on that occasion :wink:

[Turrican]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Turrican
This was not the case with Emily, she claimed to be highly intelligent, she was not ignorant. She knew the meaning of the word. And yes, clearly she is a racist bigot. There was absolutly no need for that word to be used in that context and it just "slipped" out of her - as she admitted she and her friends call each other the word all the time (at their KKK meetings most likely!) LOL!



If you were listening, she said that it was her friends, who were black who threw it around, and this is plausible because there are some who feel they are reclaiming the N word.

Where are you getting that she is a racist bigot? Unattributed sources from the gutter tabloids, hardly a credible source.

For your information, The KKK was a movement in the southern United States and never made it across the Atlantic because it's origins were from the aftermath from American Civil war (See here) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kkk)


Originally posted by Turrican
and sticks, stop exagerating about how we want her executed or tarred and feathered (zzz) or comparing this to a Roman Colleseum. These are all your words not mine and you claim that you sense this is what I want from the "tone" of my posts - you are wrong. I'm happy that Emily was removed (even though I wasted 2£ trying to evict her before) but I don't wish her to be mutilated, executed or thrown into the firey depths of your imaginery hell.


I am using something called Satire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire) which sometimes is the only way to get a point across and make people realise the logical conclusion of what they are saying. It is a standard debating tactic.

As for the Roman Colosseum, if you do a search on TIBB you will find I have used this comparison before, because people here go overboard and take to being personal about HM's and wishing them actual harm which is in breach of forum regulations. I have seen so much bile over the years of Big Brother that I find it easy to spot, and it is not very edifying or pleasant. They end up baying for blood, as if they were in the Roman Colesseum, so I think the comparison is quite valid.


Originally posted by Turrican
Again, please less guess work - you shouldnt assume things, you just make an ASS out of U and ME.

Ever heard that saying? :)

Yes I have

And for the record I was totally neutral on the pair who were up. I did not support any of them, my annoyance is that Channel 4 chose to put this word into the public domain. It was obvious it was not a repeat of CBB, the people affected were handling it and bringing the perpetrator into line and nobody on the outside had seen it as it was not on the live feed. There was no need to do this, and we would not be dancing around a racially offensive word, seeing it in acres of newsprint.

This was heavy handed and a knee jerk reaction just so C4 can gain a few brownie points (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownie_points)

922 people rang and complained to point this out, that is 922 real data points, not anonymous and unreliable on-line opinion polls. So what do we hear, that they must be members of the BNP. Who is doing the assuming there?

Don't patronise me. If you had been more observant you would have noticed I put a "LOL!" after my KKK comment, meaning I was JOKING. I know my history, do you honestly think I was SERIOUS about Emily belonging to the KKK club?
Don't take everything so literally and stop analysing everything I say - I actually purposely mentioned this to see what kind of analyitical nonsense you would come out with LOL. Fun.

"Where are you getting that she is a racist bigot?"

The fact that many people have testified against her and given their full name and details of racial abuse from Emily in the past - some of which in front of lots of witnesses at her college. Who are YOU to say they are lying?

Also the fact that she called a black girl a NI**ER to her face is proof enough for me and the rest of the country, hence the reason she was booted out of BB, hence the reason her family are disowning her over it and hence the reason she was grovelling and crying on BBLB last night, saying sorry over and over again.

922 people complained that Emily was kicked out for racism. 46,000+ people complained that Shilpa was racially abused in CBB. I think the war against racism is winning - and I know which side I am on. Do you?

It's time to stamp out racism and I stand strong against it.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Except the advertisers ran for the hills on that occasion :wink:

The one in particular did. I supose they thought they were sucking up to public opinion.......They may well regret being shallow cowards

[ttw]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Turrican
This was not the case with Emily, she claimed to be highly intelligent, she was not ignorant. She knew the meaning of the word. And yes, clearly she is a racist bigot. There was absolutly no need for that word to be used in that context and it just "slipped" out of her - as she admitted she and her friends call each other the word all the time (at their KKK meetings most likely!) LOL!



If you were listening, she said that it was her friends, who were black who threw it around, and this is plausible because there are some who feel they are reclaiming the N word.

Where are you getting that she is a racist bigot? Unattributed sources from the gutter tabloids, hardly a credible source.





No, if YOU were listening you'd see that she said she has used the word previously among friends, she did not always state that they were black friends either, she also mentioned that together they said it as a way of "making fun" at each other "y'no pally"

She also mentioned on BBLB that she knew the word was wrong previously, so therefore she used the word towards a black female, stating "you're pushing it out, you ******" .. there was no reason for her to use it, she knows it is a racist word - yet she still did, it slipped out, bcos she uses it often.

She used it out of complete stupidity, and you must have to wonder where it came from? What made her think it was acceptable to use it? And you cannot deny the possiblity that she may hold some possibly prejudice views.

Also, if BB did cover it up, and somewhere down the line it came out that she had said it, and BB had covered it up, I along with many many other ppl would be very angry by it.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Turrican
If you had been more observant you would have noticed I put a "LOL!" after my KKK comment, meaning I was JOKING. I know my history, do you honestly think I was SERIOUS about Emily belonging to the KKK club?


Let me see, when someone utters the N word and says they were joking, that is still considered unacceptable, yet when someone else impunes a person's character by stating they must be a member of an infamous an objectionable organisation and says they were joking, we have to laugh along and accept that.

What am I missing here?

Originally posted by Turrican
The fact that many people have testified against her and given their full name and details of racial abuse from Emily in the past - some of which in front of lots of witnesses at her college. Who are YOU to say they are lying?


Can you give us a link to a credible source? I have seen these claims as well, except they were from un-named people in gutter tabloids. Anyone remember the News of the World story, "I'll Give Helen the Heave Ho" or is that too archaic a reference.

Originally posted by Turrican
Also the fact that she called a black girl a NI**ER to her face is proof enough for me and the rest of the country, hence the reason she was booted out of BB, hence the reason her family are disowning her over it and hence the reason she was grovelling and crying on BBLB last night, saying sorry over and over again.


Yes she said it, but there was a context from where it came from, and it is quite plausible, yet this is ignored. A reminder, some groups like to reclaim words once hurled against them. Emily claims to have associated with such a group, if they have done that in her presence then it was easy to see how this word got miss filed into the section marked acceptable street language instead of do not utter.

Before anyone starts this is not a justification but a possible explanation of how an error was made.

Originally posted by Turrican
922 people complained that Emily was kicked out for racism. 46,000+ people complained that Shilpa was racially abused in CBB.

And one wonders how many of those 46000 were jumping on a band wagon and seeing what they were told they were seeing. I have spent quite a lot of time on that when it happened and would rather not repeat that again.

The 922 represents real data, because it runs counter to the general hue and cry currently taking place.

Originally posted by Turrican
I think the war against racism is winning - and I know which side I am on. Do you?

It's time to stamp out racism and I stand strong against it.

And I am against racism, plus the church I go to has people from just about every continent. The way the question is asked is loaded and verges on an ad hominen.

This is becoming like the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy House Un-American Activities hearing. Anyone who dares say hang on a minute, must have something to hide, a well know tactic to squelch dissent.

There are some of us who firmly believe that Channel 4 has botched this yet again.

Since BB1 I have vocalised that Channel 4 / Endemol have miss handled Big Brother constantly, and this is yet another occasion where they got it wrong.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by ttw
No, if YOU were listening you'd see that she said she has used the word previously among friends, she did not always state that they were black friends either, she also mentioned that together they said it as a way of "making fun" at each other "y'no pally"


I believe it was later she made this claim

Originally posted by ttw
She also mentioned on BBLB that she knew the word was wrong previously, so therefore she used the word towards a black female, stating "you're pushing it out, you n**** Edited to remove the N Word - please don't repeat this fellony.. there was no reason for her to use it, she knows it is a racist word - yet she still did, it slipped out, bcos she uses it often.

She used it out of complete stupidity, and you must have to wonder where it came from? What made her think it was acceptable to use it?

See my previous replies on this one. I will accept she may have not been the sharpest tool in the box, after all a really intelligent person would not go near BB. (So why is Gerry there and why did Jon Tickle go on)

Originally posted by ttw
And you cannot deny the possiblity that she may hold some possibly prejudice views.


And you can not deny the possibility that she was telling the truth and was more stupid than malicious. That is a really low blow here, can you deny the possibility that I am really an alien from the planet Zog - that statement makes just as much sense.

Originally posted by ttw
Also, if BB did cover it up, and somewhere down the line it came out that she had said it, and BB had covered it up, I along with many many other people would be very angry by it.

But that would depend on how things had panned out, if it was something nipped in the bud with all parties in agreement, who are we to judge. I believe Bananarama had a solution for this.

[Foebane100]

The "making fun" of comment was her doing a very bad job of trying to explain and get herself out of trouble, leaping on what someone has said instead of trying to figure out what they meant just because it suits your cause and because she wasn't very articulate is just adding to the problem.

I think she was wrong and foolish to say it, but I don't think she should have been removed for it.

[ttw]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by ttw
No, if YOU were listening you'd see that she said she has used the word previously among friends, she did not always state that they were black friends either, she also mentioned that together they said it as a way of "making fun" at each other "y'no pally"


I believe it was later she made this claim



Whether the claim was made later (and I presume you are talking about in the diary room) or immediately after, it was still made... so therefore, what is your point?

[ttw]

LOOL, i just realised aswell, in her audition tape she mentioned not liking ignorant people.

[GiRTh]

I think we're getting off topic here.

Regarding the complaints - If some rednecks and their kracka friends want to complain to C4 then that's up to them. Without CBB5 I think the decision the evict Emily was a little harsh, but due to CBB5 the decision is totally 100% the right one. In a more reasonable world BB should have called Emily and Charley to the diary room to get them to discuss the incident in private with BB and possibly for someone to explain to Emily the history and impact of that word.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by ttw

Whether the claim was made later (and I presume you are talking about in the diary room) or immediately after, it was still made... so therefore, what is your point?

The N word may have got misfiled into a list of words to use amongst friends instead of the correct section, words which must never seen the light of day.

A pure explanation of what went wrong, not an excuse or justification

[Turrican]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I think we're getting off topic here.

Regarding the complaints - If some rednecks and their kracka friends want to complain to C4 then that's up to them. Without CBB5 I think the decision the evict Emily was a little harsh, but due to CBB5 the decision is totally 100% the right one. In a more reasonable world BB should have called Emily and Charley to the diary room to get them to discuss the incident in private with BB and possibly for someone to explain to Emily the history and impact of that word.

I think under any circumstances with or without CBB5; calling a black person the N word as part of an insult would (or should) always result in immediate eviction.

Lest we forget that Emily DID use it as part of an insult; "your pushing it out you n***er" replace the N word with "idiot" or any other insult - just so happens that Emily uses the N word in her everyday life often and it slipped out on Live TV.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Turrican
I think under any circumstances with or without CBB5; calling a black person the N word as part of an insult would (or should) always result in immediate eviction.

So all the other BB housemates that have used it e.g. Emma Green dont count?

Lest we forget that Emily DID use it as part of an insult; "your pushing it out you n***er" replace the N word with "idiot" or any other insult - just so happens that Emily uses the N word in her everyday life often and it slipped out on Live TV.

No matter how much spin you attempt to put on the comment, it was said in the context of...

Youre pushing it out my homie or
Youre pushing it out sister or
Youre pushing it out you N

It's an aggressive sounding context, but that is the context which has been asserted in this modern age.