5G Huawei The Only Provider of Infrastrcture : [Latest: Contract Cancelled]

[arista]

China's Huawei not liked in USA
Germany appears to be going ahead with Huawei

In The UK it is still to be confirmed
https://news.sky.com/story/gavin-williamson-accuses-may-of-classic-smear-over-diabetes-claim-11712132

Some MP's claim their Data will not be safe
due to China' Government connection
to the Huawei Company


5G will cost Billions to set up
new hidden masts all over the place
it will not connect wireless in Heavy Rain
brought up on BBC Click.
Today a weather expert claimed it will block his data
he was interviewed on SkyNewsHD today.


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/end-to-endnetworkslicingashwoodsmith-161215094935/95/5g-end-toend-network-slicing-demo-5-638.jpg?cb=1481795501

[chuff me dizzy]

My daughter is getting one of these next week when her contract expires, is it advisable not to ?

[user104658]

My daughter is getting one of these next week when her contract expires, is it advisable not to ?It's not the phones that are (supposedly) an issue, it's that the company is setting up the actual data towers that will provide the 5G coverage - for all handsets, on all networks. Because its a Chinese company and the Chinese government has some laws in place that could mean they can demand that the company shares data with them, and thus, there are concerns about the Chinese government having access to personal data transmitted over 5G.

It doesn't matter what brand of handset you have, if the plan goes ahead all 5G data for the foreseeable future would go through Huawei data masts.

The handsets themselves are decent. Great camera.

[arista]

My daughter is getting one of these next week when her contract expires, is it advisable not to ?



The Phones are Great Value
its not the Huawei Mobile Phones
as TS just stated its the 5G Tower's etc.

[bots]

5G has a different type of architecture than previous versions. It's architecture means that any element of the system can become a security vulnerability, hence the importance of making sure all the end to end hardware is secure. That's why everyone is concerned by the chinese involvement, and rightly so.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not the phones that are (supposedly) an issue, it's that the company is setting up the actual data towers that will provide the 5G coverage - for all handsets, on all networks. Because its a Chinese company and the Chinese government has some laws in place that could mean they can demand that the company shares data with them, and thus, there are concerns about the Chinese government having access to personal data transmitted over 5G.

It doesn't matter what brand of handset you have, if the plan goes ahead all 5G data for the foreseeable future would go through Huawei data masts.

The handsets themselves are decent. Great camera.

Thank you for that ,I knew there was something on news about them but didn't know what ...Thanks again xx

[arista]

[USA blacklists Huawei as Trump declares 'national emergency' over IT threats
The president signs an order barring US firms from using telecoms equipment made by companies who pose a national security risk.]

https://news.sky.com/story/us-imposes-severe-sanctions-on-huawei-as-trump-declares-national-emergency-11721201

In the UK there number 2 company
for 5G Infrastructure.

[Kazanne]

My daughter is getting one of these next week when her contract expires, is it advisable not to ?

I have one Chuff,I have no problem with mine ,and the camera is so much better than the iPhone one imo.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/05/dutch-security-service-investigates-huawei-back-door-volkskrant/

dutch security service investigates huawei backdoor

[arista]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/05/dutch-security-service-investigates-huawei-back-door-volkskrant/

dutch security service investigates huawei backdoor


Yes Germany may be next?

[Oliver_W]

Handing vast amounts of information over to communists sounds like a GREAT idea...

[Strictly Jake]

Literally just ordered a Huawei hope it's a good phone...

[Kazanne]

Literally just ordered a Huawei hope it's a good phone...

Love mine Jake.:wavey:

[arista]

China warns UK over Huwawei Contract
if the UK cancels it
it will effect other China Contracts.

[Crimson Dynamo]

great phones and s TS says top notch cameras

would i trust them? would I heck as like


they will spy on us and bleed us dry trade wise and copy all our goods

its a no from me

[Twosugars]

Was about to get one but Google picked a fight with them so not sure now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Was about to get one but Google picked a fight with them so not sure now

they are very good phones

[Twosugars]

they are very good phones

Yes but Google withdrew os updates and gmail's support

[arista]

[EE is under fire after launching
its 5G network using kit from controversial
Chinese group Huawei.
The mobile firm, owned by BT, switched on its
5G service in six UK cities on Thursday
to huge fanfare, including a
concert headlined by
rapper Stormzy in London.
But security experts said they had
'grave concerns' after it emerged Huawei's equipment
was at the heart of the network. ]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/markets/article-7091987/EE-faces-music-launching-5G-network-using-technology-Chinese-spy-row-firm-Huawei.html


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357139

[Livia]

I'm sure the phones are great. Allowing them so very much input into the 5G infrastructure is a mistake that's going to come back to bite everyone in the arse. You can all come back when it goes tits up and say, Liv, you were right. I never get tired of hearing that.

[arista]

The Shocking Problem we have
there is NO 2nd company doing Infrastructure for 5G.

[Livia]

The Shocking Problem we have
there is NO 2nd company doing Infrastructure for 5G.

And we'll have aaaages to regret it. But we won't be able to say that we didn't know.

[arista]

they are very good phones



Yes better Quality than Apple
but now Stores are to stop selling them
due the Future Google Blockage.

[arista]

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[arista]

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So Russia and China Go ahead with 5G.


Us in the UK
told to wait for a Government announcement?

[Twosugars]

How come other companies don't do g5 infrastructure?

[arista]

How come other companies don't do g5 infrastructure?


It appears every connected Company
trusted Huawei
on Early 2G to 4G.


It is crazy not to have a back up company 5G Infrastructure
in this day and age.

[arista]

Some big tech firms cut employees' access to Huawei, muddying 5G rollout


[Chipmakers Intel Corp and Qualcomm Inc, mobile research
firm InterDigital Wireless Inc and South Korean
carrier LG Uplus have restricted employees from
informal conversations with Huawei,
the world’s largest telecommunications equipment maker,
the sources said.
Such discussions are a routine part of
international meetings where engineers
gather to set technical standards for
communications technologies,
including the next generation of
mobile networks known as 5G.

The U.S. Department of Commerce
has not banned contact between companies
and Huawei.
On May 16, the agency put Huawei on a blacklist,
barring it from doing business with U.S. companies
without government approval,
then a few days later it authorized U.S. companies
to interact with Huawei in standards bodies
through August “as necessary for the development of 5G standards.”
The Commerce Department reiterated that
position on Friday in response to a question from Reuters. ]

[Nevertheless, at least a handful of major U.S. and overseas tech companies are telling their
employees to limit some forms of direct interaction,
the people said, as they seek to avoid any potential
issues with the U.S. government.
Intel and Qualcomm said they have provided compliance
instructions to employees, but declined to comment on them further.]


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-huawei-exclusive-idUSKCN1TA0VQ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Co ntent&utm_content=5cfd9ffafe86c30001b44a58&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[arista]

[5G SLOWDOWN

The new restrictions could slow the rollout of 5G, which is expected to power
everything from high-speed video transmissions to self-driving cars,
according to several industry experts.
At a 5G standards meeting last week in Newport Beach, California,
participants privately expressed alarm to Reuters that the long-standing cooperation
among engineers that is needed for phones and networks to connect globally
could fall victim to what one participant described as a “tech war” between the U.S. and China]

A Store in China
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8qK_FwX4AAaEgb.jpg

[Twosugars]

It appears every connected Company
trusted Huawei
on Early 2G to 4G.


It is crazy not to have a back up company 5G Infrastructure
in this day and age.

Totally
Unbelievable

[arista]

Victor Zhang
President Of Global Government Affairs
was on SkyNewsHD Business Report Tuesday 17th Dec 2019
talking to Ian King.

He said if the UK does not choose Huawei
it would cost more than £7 Billion pounds.
The UK has been working with Huawei
for 18 years now.

We find out in some weeks ahead.

[Twosugars]

Merry Christmas Arista:)

[arista]

This Tuesday
we find out if Johnson PM
picks this only 5G Huawei infrastructure supply group

Ericsson is around 18 months away or even more time.
This Tuesday Decision
will effect all the Mobile Phone shops.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11A66/production/_110649227_sundaytimesfront26jan.jpg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/C323/production/_110655994_financialtimesfront27jan.jpg

If this is True
Trump will get Angry
but I am sure Johnson PM
warned him in the Phone call
they did last week.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPRnrXaXUAA70fj?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Huawei was granted UK Role in 5G

Not on Nuke zones and Security
though

https://news.sky.com/story/huawei-to-be-given-a-limited-role-in-the-uks-5g-network-11919772

[Cherie]

Huawei was granted UK Role in 5G

Not on Nuke zones and Security
though

https://news.sky.com/story/huawei-to-be-given-a-limited-role-in-the-uks-5g-network-11919772

Seems a good compromise on paper at any rate

[Twosugars]

Trump will be delighted:laugh:

[arista]

Trump will be delighted:laugh:


He knew of this last week
As its not going into our Security system
which USA deals with daily.

[Three out of four of the UK's mobile networks
had already decided to use and deploy Huawei's 5G products
in the periphery.]

[Note: But all over Priced to use]
[At present, beyond Huawei,
there are four main providers:

Nokia - a Finnish company
Ericsson - a Swedish company
Samsung - a South Korean company
ZTE - a Chinese company that the country's government part-owns]

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/ED51/production/_110635706_huawei_5g_network640-nc.png

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51283059

[user104658]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/ED51/production/_110635706_huawei_5g_network640-nc.png

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-51283059

I don't think I would have ever figured out such a complex network structure without this handy technical diagram.

[arista]

I don't think I would have ever figured out such a complex network structure without this handy technical diagram.


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/FD63/production/_110676846_231bd7f7-d6eb-49f1-bf2c-c6af73df689d.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPWxd_OXUAUa-ao?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17A50/production/_110684869_i.jpg


And

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E1F8/production/_110684875_thetimes.jpg

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPcyVXzWkAAOLfU?format=jpg&name=small

[Tom4784]

Brexit Britain, we give away our privacy to China and we'll end up living in servitude to the US but thank god we left a union in which we had a say in things!

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/119D0/production/_113244127_sunday-telegraph-5-july.jpg


No 5G proper
if they get this China Company Huawei out
Crazy , no other company
can do 5G.

[Oliver_W]

Do we need 5G though? Having slightly faster internet isn't worth the trade-off.

[arista]

Do we need 5G though? Having slightly faster internet isn't worth the trade-off.


Yes many will say its 5G
but it will be 4G


No other Company can take the Contract.


Johnson PM
will have to rule on this again.

[arista]

The UK China Amabassador
was just Live on the news
he said its up to JohnsonPM (the Government)
to say if he want's Huawei to continue.

[user104658]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/ED51/production/_110635706_huawei_5g_network640-nc.png

I'd just like to say again that this graphic is hilarious.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/0EF2/production/_113262830_thetimes.jpg

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

"Here's a great idea: let's hand over an important part of our infrastructure which deals with a lot of sensitive and confidential information over to ... China! They're so trustworthy!"

[arista]

"Here's a great idea: let's hand over an important part of our infrastructure which deals with a lot of sensitive and confidential information over to ... China! They're so trustworthy!"


[BT warns it will take a DECADE to remove Huawei from the UK telecoms network]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8516827/BT-warns-DECADE-remove-Huawei-UK-telecoms-network.html

[arista]

[The U-turn could jeopardise Boris Johnson’s target
to roll out full fibre broadband to the entire country by 2025.
BT chief executive Philip Jansen said yesterday it could take
ten years to strip out Huawei’s equipment from UK networks.
He also warned of ‘outages’ and possible security risks
if the sector was told to curtail all business with the
Chinese technology firm during the 5G network upgrade]

[Ministers are braced for backlash from Beijing
when they confirm today that Huawei is banned
from involvement in UK's 5G network
Telecoms firms to be banned on installing new
equipment supplied by Huawei
Huawei executives held talks with officials
in the hope of watering down plans
BT boss says it could take ten years to
strip Huawei equipment from UK networks]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8519513/Ministers-braced-backlash-confirm-Huawei-banned-involvement-5G-network.html

Was debated on on NewsnightHD BBC2

So once dates are given
to rip it out.
No full working 5G for us

https://news.sky.com/story/huawei-final-decision-expected-on-firms-involvement-in-the-uks-5g-network-12027726

[bots]

I would rather have a slower network than one operated by a hostile foreign power. Stopping roll out of that equipment is the correct decision

[Cherie]

I would rather have a slower network than one operated by a hostile foreign power. Stopping roll out of that equipment is the correct decision

it's like new phones, the old one works fine :shrug: it's not that long since 4G was added anyway

[user104658]

I'm not bothered about 5g, 4g is ample for handheld devices and full-wired connections will ALWAYS be better in the home. 5g can beat home broadband "raw download speeds", sometimes by a large margin, but it is nowhere near to matching ping speeds (responsiveness) or network stability which is (in my opinion) far more important than speed. They should be focussing on rolling out full fibre-to-the-door so that we can have ultra-fast wired home broadband :hee:.


Howefferrrrrrrr the Huawei issue is a thinly-veiled US trade sanction on China. It is economic/political and has absolutely nothing to do with data security, much like the whole "TikTok is steal ur data!!" tinfoil hat nonsense.

[arista]

Yes TS but loads of Phone shops need 5G working
or contracts can go wrong.

[user104658]

Yes TS but loads of Phone shops need 5G working
or contracts can go wrong.

I suppose that's a point, if phone shops and providers have sold handsets based on a promise upcoming 5g, and there is no 5g, then you could probably argue that the handset was mis-sold...

[arista]

I suppose that's a point, if phone shops and providers have sold handsets based on a promise upcoming 5g, and there is no 5g, then you could probably argue that the handset was mis-sold...


Once the Dates Arrive(of Huawie kit removed from Poles and Boxes)
these shops need to refund folks


What is crazy is any Nokia Errickson
kit is also made in China

[user104658]

What is crazy is any Nokia Errickson
kit is also made in China

The hardware isn't the problem though, any data concerns would be firmware/software related and (one assumes) Nokia does those in-house.

[arista]

The hardware isn't the problem though, any data concerns would be firmware/software related and (one assumes) Nokia does those in-house.


Yes of course they are still
behind the 5G race
Not able to match the Huawie prices or product.


A minister is due to annouce a ban today
press are saying?

[arista]

Oliver Dowden MP Culture Secretary
is due to speak soon.

[user104658]

Yes of course they are still
behind the 5G race
Not able to match the Huawie prices or product.


A minister is due to annouce a ban today
press are saying?

Yes arista sell your Huwwy stock now if you haven't already :joker:

[arista]

Live in Parliament
Dowden MP
TV news and Radio


He has blamed the USA measures.

From the End of this year Dec 31st
no company must buy Huawei


By the end of 2027
All Huawei 5G Equipment must be removed.

[user104658]

We're headed into a sanctions war and probably an ensuing cold war with China riding the wake of the US at the moment. Hopefully just a cold war. Scarier things going on than Covid, folks.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15559/production/_113358378_huawei1.png

[arista]

We're headed into a sanctions war and probably an ensuing cold war with China riding the wake of the US at the moment. Hopefully just a cold war. Scarier things going on than Covid, folks.


Yes China warned
this will cause trouble

[arista]

[Huawei 5G kit must be removed from UK by 2027
The UK's mobile providers are being banned
from buying new Huawei 5G equipment
after 31 December, and they must also remove
all the Chinese firm's 5G kit from their networks by 2027.

Digital Secretary Oliver Dowden
told the House of Commons of the decision.
It follows sanctions imposed by Washington,
which claims the firm poses
a national security threat - something Huawei denies.

Mr Dowden said the move would delay
the country's 5G rollout by a year.
"This has not been an easy decision,
but it is the right one for the UK telecoms networks,
for our national security and our economy,
both now and indeed in the long run," he said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53403793


Huawei blocked: Tech must be stripped
from UK's 5G network by 2027

https://news.sky.com/story/huawei-blocked-tech-must-be-stripped-from-uks-5g-network-by-2027-12028177

[user104658]

Yes China warned
this will cause trouble

It's just the start, the US intends to gradually erode and economically destroy China over time. Tech industries are an easy sell for a first step because the general public (and plenty of politicians) are easily rattled by the idea of "scary hacker stuff!!" so will justify it on those grounds. It'll progress from there and, because China is wholly reliant on international trade for basic sustenance, they will use their military might against nearest-neighbours to ensure that their own people are fed. This will be branded an act of unwarranted aggression in the West and used to justify full isolation of China - and I can't see that going anywhere other than a full scale conflict.

Things like pandemics and economic disruption lead to war. It's tried-and-tested global history.

[bots]

the usa sanctions meant that Hauwei couldn't use the chipset on their hardware that was agreed. That makes a big difference, because if its cheap chips of chinese design then they could easily be vulnerable. Once America turns the screw, they make it impossible for other nations not to tow the line. I think though that after Hong Kong, the UK changed it's stance significantly

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[Huawei overtakes Samsung to become the world's
No. 1 smartphone seller for the first time despite USA sanctions
The Chinese firm shipped 55.8million units in the
second quarter, analysts said
It is now the leader in the telecom industry
after beating Samsung and Apple
Washington has barred Huawei from the
USA market while the UK is following suit
But the company has sold over 70 per cent
of its handsets in its domestic market]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8575119/Huawei-overtakes-Samsung-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker.html

[user104658]

[Huawei overtakes Samsung to become the world's
No. 1 smartphone seller for the first time despite USA sanctions
The Chinese firm shipped 55.8million units in the
second quarter, analysts said
It is now the leader in the telecom industry
after beating Samsung and Apple
Washington has barred Huawei from the
USA market while the UK is following suit
But the company has sold over 70 per cent
of its handsets in its domestic market]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8575119/Huawei-overtakes-Samsung-smartphone-seller-industry-tracker.html

This is largely irrelevant as the bulk of sales are within China. It's not a true reflection of global market share any more than Weibo usage represents a share of social media dominance.

[arista]

[BT signs 5G deal with Ericsson to help ditch Huawei
Other companies, including NEC and Samsung,
are also active in the sector.
But it would have been more complicated to
have tried to integrate their solutions.
Some industry leaders have privately expressed
concern that Huawei's exit from the market
could reduce competition,
resulting in the 5G upgrade becoming more expensive.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54716940

[arista]

[UK bans Huawei equipment installations from September 2021
amid stockpiling concerns
The acceleration follows concerns that
telecoms providers were stockpiling equipment
which they will be banned from buying.]



British telecoms providers will be banned from
installing 5G equipment manufactured by Huawei
from next September, the government has said,
even if they still have unused stock.

Although British companies were already
set to be banned from purchasing new equipment
from the end of this year, the new rules will address
concerns that radio equipment
was being stockpiled to be installed at a later date.

In the Commons today, Digital Secretary Oliver Dowden
will set out the government's roadmap for
removing all Huawei equipment from the
UK's 5G networks by 2027 in the second reading
of the Telecommunications (Security) Bill,
which will make the ban lawful.]

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-bans-huawei-equipment-installations-from-september-2021-amid-stockpiling-concerns-12146960

[arista]

In addition to 5G BT/Ericsson UK
Verizon USA
is now building a UK Network of 5G
in Southampton Free Port.

Hans Vestberg CEO
spoke on CNN Business HD


Verizon Beats Out European Carriers to Run 5G at U.K. Freeport

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-01/verizon-beats-out-european-carriers-to-run-5g-at-u-k-freeport


[Verizon’s 5G network will remove dead spots
and increase bandwidth at the port,
ultimately enabling new systems,
such as using drones that can transmit high-definition video
for maintenance checks, and sending live shipping data,
Pedersen said.]

[arista]

Huawei's Meng Wanzhou flies back to China after deal with USA

[A Chinese technology executive held in Canada
on US fraud charges has left the country
after a deal with prosecutors,
following years of diplomatic tensions over her fate.
Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of Huawei,
was detained on fraud charges in December 2018
at the request of the US.
On Friday, the US Department of Justice dropped
an extradition request for her.
The case infuriated China and strained relations
with the US and Canada.
It also prompted accusations that China had
detained Canadian citizens in retaliation,
which China denied.

"My life has been turned upside down.
It was a disruptive time for me,"
Ms Meng told reporters after being freed from Canadian detention.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58682998