Mother blames Netflix for her 12 year old daughters suicide

[arista]

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Should a 12 year old
be able to watch anything on Netflix?

Is the real questions


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/girl-12-kills-herself-weeks-15002271

[Ammi]

...very, very sad...:sad:...it would make sense that it was the other way around though...that Jessica may have been drawn and connecting to the show and the storyline of it because of her own self harming feelings...poor girl/poor family...

[Mokka]

A kid that my kid grew up with committed suicide right after the first season dropped... using the same method as the main character. You can't tell me that was a coincidence.

[Shaun]

A 30% spike in suicide rates is pretty damning as far as I'm concerned.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/3/18522559/13-reasons-why-netflix-youth-suicide-rate

Just a ghastly concept of a show packaged in the most dangerous and teen-baiting way possible. Everyone involved should be ashamed.

[bots]

i refused to watch that series, and I don't know why anyone would either make such a show or watch it. I can't believe it would get a high ratings

[Vicky.]

I am usually very against blaming shows/games/whatever for stuff like this. And I do think there will be more things at play than just the show, however...I watched this and can well see how teens and that would think it was a good idea to copycat. It was all made out to be such a great way to get revenge..look..everyone will realise they were actually twats if you just cut your wrists in the bath! Quite gross really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

shaun called it right. teen baiting for ratings so that people in their 20s and 30s who write and make the show can get praise.

vile

[Livia]

I agree with Sean too.

[user104658]

Suicide can be and has been handled sensitively in TV and film. But not by this. I could only get through a couple of episodes, mainly because it's trash and not in a good way, but also because the message is horrendous.

Essentially, it says "You can successfully take revenge on the people who have hurt you, by killing yourself. Then everyone will understand, you can win, and be at peace."

It frames suicide as some sort of act of personal empowerment.

Its gross, dangerous, and also, not even true.

[Amy Jade]

I've never seen it to judge, does it really glorify suicide?

[Ammi]

I've never seen it to judge, does it really glorify suicide?

...nor me, Amy...I haven’t ever seen the series or knew that the storyline was in some way glorifying suicide of young people as some type of ‘revenge’...as Mokka, Shaun and TS seem familiar with it I’ll bow to their knowledge and thoughts about it...

[Amy Jade]

I might give it a watch.

Lots of people said the Netflix movie 'To the Bone' was glamourising eating disorders but having watched it I disagreed and thought it was very honest.

[Liam-]

Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it if they were already thinking abouht it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

[Nicky91]

Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

they give that advice before the episodes though, not to watch it alone

[RileyH]

Why was she watching it anyway

[RileyH]

Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it if they were already thinking abouht it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

The onus is on the parents to supervise what their children watch

[Nicky91]

The onus is on the parents to supervise what their children watch

+1

[thisisdanny]

I've seen it, and I thoroughly enjoyed it and would go as far as saying it's one of the most interesting series I've watched tbh. I can't usually binge watch anything cos I have low attention span lol but this I was hooked and couldn't stop watching. (S1 anyway)

However I agree with Liam. It didn't show suicide in the right way imo but it certainly didn't glorify it. It didn't just focus on the revenge side though it focused on the consequences, like the reaction of Hannah's parents etc.

And iirc there is actually a warning message before the series, and at the age of 12 you shouldn't be watching something like this.

[Cherie]

I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?

Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

[bots]

I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?

Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

isnt it more that if there were 100 suicides then a 30% increase would have been 130

[Withano]

Completely plausible, that show was disgraceful

[chuff me dizzy]

Apparently this girl had mental health problems, so even more reason to monitor IMO

[Withano]

I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?

Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

Thats not what a 30% spike means. It’s basically means 1.3 times higher than the orginal figure.

Take 30% of what it used to be + what it used to be = new suicide rate

[Nicky91]

Apparently this girl had mental health problems, so even more reason to monitor IMO

yup, she should've first of all not watched that on her own AND also should've gotten lots of help for mental health problems by experts


so it is very easy for the Mother to blame netflix while it basically isn't them at the blame

[JerseyWins]

Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it if they were already thinking abouht it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo
Agree with all of this

Hard to say whether the idea was already there for the girl or if the show created the idea for her. Maybe the show did show her a way to do it or make her feel more justified in doing it but it just as likely could’ve happened regardless. :shrug: But at 12, either her parents or the friend’s parents should’ve been more careful about what they were watching as well (especially if there was any reason to be alarmed)

Either way, this is a very sad story though :(

[AnnieK]

I know people who know this girl's mum. The back story is a lot more complicated and she had many mental health issues which have been caused by family problems. I have never seen the show but it sounds awful but at 12 she shouldn't have been watching something like that anyway. However, I don't think the programme is to blame in this situation

[Liam-]

There were also a couple of explicit rape scenes, did that cause people to go out and rape people? You can’t put an idea in someone’s head if it wasn’t already being thought about.

It’s a very sad story, but a tv show isn’t responsible for mentally vulnerable kids killing themselves.

[JerseyWins]

But then again, at 12 I was probably watching worse so I can’t really blame the parents either, it’s not that easy to keep track of everything your kids do once they get a bit older.

[user104658]

I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?



Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

It means a percentage increase in the number of suicides so let's say if there were 10,000 teen suicides last year, a 30% increase would be an increase of 3000 (so 13,000 this year).

I haven't seen the figures claiming that to be the case though, a 30% spike seems huge.

Again I have to reiterate that I don't think the show handles mental health or suicide well at all. Showing the aftermath of the suicide doesn't mitigate the fact that it's being used as the focus plot point for some relatively cheap teen drama and is handled in a dramatised, unrealistic way. Showing that her friends and family were upset does not mean that the act isn't glorified. Its a ham-fisted plot device.

[Cherie]

isnt it more that if there were 100 suicides then a 30% increase would have been 130

dont try and bamboozle me, maths is not my strong point!

[Cherie]

It means a percentage increase in the number of suicides so let's say if there were 10,000 teen suicides last year, a 30% increase would be an increase of 3000 (so 13,000 this year).

I haven't seen the figures claiming that to be the case though, a 30% spike seems huge.

Again I have to reiterate that I don't think the show handles mental health or suicide well at all. Showing the aftermath of the suicide doesn't mitigate the fact that it's being used as the focus plot point for some relatively cheap teen drama and is handled in a dramatised, unrealistic way. Showing that her friends and family were upset does not mean that the act isn't glorified. Its a ham-fisted plot device.

You could say that about alot of issues on alot of shows though :shrug:

[user104658]

I know people who know this girl's mum. The back story is a lot more complicated and she had many mental health issues which have been caused by family problems. I have never seen the show but it sounds awful but at 12 she shouldn't have been watching something like that anyway. However, I don't think the programme is to blame in this situationObviously she will have had mental health problems; no one who is healthy can be forced or encouraged to kill themself by a TV show, but that doesn't mean its unlikely to be a factor. Suicidal ideation is "infectious" - for example, if one student in a University accommodation completes suicide, their peers are at a significantly increased suicide risk - and people with suicidal thought can be prompted to act and put at risk by poorly handled things like this.

[chuff me dizzy]

I know people who know this girl's mum. The back story is a lot more complicated and she had many mental health issues which have been caused by family problems. I have never seen the show but it sounds awful but at 12 she shouldn't have been watching something like that anyway. However, I don't think the programme is to blame in this situation

:clap1:

[user104658]

You could say that about alot of issues on alot of shows though :shrug:You can but the difference is that its usually a storyline or subplot within an established show. There are indeed plenty of examples of it being handled badly - but I can't think of another show where it is the CENTRAL theme and focus of the entire season and the main leveraged plot device. Or in other words, a show is usually the backdrop for a storyline that features suicide. In the case of this show, the suicide IS the backdrop upon which other storylines are mounted. IMO there's a huge difference.

[Withano]

There were also a couple of explicit rape scenes, did that cause people to go out and rape people? You can’t put an idea in someone’s head if it wasn’t already being thought about.

It’s a very sad story, but a tv show isn’t responsible for mentally vulnerable kids killing themselves.

It never glorified raping so its not a great comparison

[Nicky91]

You can but the difference is that its usually a storyline or subplot within an established show. There are indeed plenty of examples of it being handled badly - but I can't think of another show where it is the CENTRAL theme and focus of the entire season and the main leveraged plot device. Or in other words, a show is usually the backdrop for a storyline that features suicide. In the case of this show, the suicide IS the backdrop upon which other storylines are mounted. IMO there's a huge difference.

Degrassi is a fine example of a show which featured real life struggles in it's storylines

[Beso]

I'm not surprised this has happened..

[Beso]

Like..you know kids are warned about Cannibis use and how thier brains are not fully matured yet and it can harm them.....


What makes the internet any different.

[arista]

I am usually very against blaming shows/games/whatever for stuff like this. And I do think there will be more things at play than just the show, however...I watched this and can well see how teens and that would think it was a good idea to copycat. It was all made out to be such a great way to get revenge..look..everyone will realise they were actually twats if you just cut your wrists in the bath! Quite gross really.


A girl aged 12
alone with her parents Netflix account.
That was wrong

[Beso]

Ts hits the point really and everyone of those points he made could be a young immature brain taking one trigger point and thinking yeah..That's exactly how I feel....now that could lead them to turning thier lives around, but as far as this show goes it could also be the trigger point to follow through on your thoughts and kill yourself

[Tom4784]

People don't kill themselves because they've watched a TV show. Suicidal tendencies are born of longstanding issues and I don't think it's wise to blame a TV show since all that does is ignore the real cause.

[Beso]

People don't kill themselves because they've watched a TV show. Suicidal tendencies are born of longstanding issues and I don't think it's wise to blame a TV show since all that does is ignore the real cause.

The show can be the tipping point to all those thoughts though, especially to such a young non fully grown brain..


It's like call off duty and games liken that turning kids into zombies a bit

[Shaun]

I agree with Sean too.

I will smack you