UK EU Elections Confirmed May 23rd Thurs. 2019 (Results: Sunday Night)

[Cherie]

Yes the Labour Party.


But for a 6 weeks start up
they now the UK Biggest Party in the EU


Change UK with proper British MP's
got No MEP's they failed 100%

I don' think anyone is surprised, they had no campaign and have made too many early gaffes

[Alf]

Let's say you're right and we have another referendum and remoan wins, then the Leavers are just not gonna accept the result, why should they?

[Cherie]

Actually until last nights result,.
I wasn't sure remain would win a 2nd referendum or even wanted one myself.

However I agree with you, on all you've said above.
This less than 40% turnout still failed to give the pro brexit parties, one under the louder mouth of Farage, over 50% of the votes cast.

The splintered remain supporting votes matter since those votes will never go to pro brexit parties.
I think you are right a new referendum would likely result in a remain vote.
Certainly however a solid vote against any no deal Brexit.

It would be a massive slap in the face to the bulk of the UK, those who vote and can't yet vote, if that is now ignored by any new leader of the Conservatives.

For my current party, Labour, they must now come out for a new referendum.
If it doesn't, I will need to think where I am as to politics now.

Just seen a stat on Sky news 35% Brexit, 40% remain, which is pretty good given the campaign publicity the Brexit party got over the others

[Cherie]

Let's say you're right and we have another referendum and remoan wins, then the Leavers are just not gonna accept the result, why should they?

if there is a 2nd ref they have to build in a clear percentage win and also that it will be binding ....if leave won a second vote I would accept it, I think people know alot more of what they are voting for now

[Nicky91]

from us dutch, our Labour party (PVDA) is the one with most MEPs in european parliament, and yes our frans timmermans is running for EC president, to try and be successor of Juncker

our nexit heavy party PVV out of european parliament :clap2: and the other far right forum only 3 seats so doesn't have a majority by far against all other left parties in the MEPs for us

so no nexit for us :clap1: :clap1:

[joeysteele]

Just seen a stat on Sky news 35% Brexit, 40% remain, which is pretty good given the campaign publicity the Brexit party got over the others

I agree fully again Cherie.

[Alf]

if there is a 2nd ref they have to build in a clear percentage win and also that it will be binding ....if leave won a second vote I would accept it, I think people know alot more of what they are voting for nowDoesn't matter, the Leavers are not going to accept it if they were defeated, they're just gonna say it's 1-1.

If there was another vote, leave would win by a bigger margin than last time, I'm confident of that and the country doesn't need it, just to prove me right.

[bots]

labour did get battered last night, but labour have never stood for a no deal brexit, so the votes they did pick up are also in direct opposition to the brexit party. When you take that into account the anti-no deal brexit was huge compared to the votes the brexit party picked up

I just don't see how we can politically resolve the situation now without another ref

[Alf]

labour did get battered last night, but labour have never stood for a no deal brexit, so the votes they did pick up are also in direct opposition to the brexit party. When you take that into account the anti-no deal brexit was huge compared to the votes the brexit party picked up

I just don't see how we can politically resolve the situation now without another refIt's easy to solve it, just leave, and let's start getting on with life again
.

[Nicky91]

It's easy to solve it, just leave, and let's start getting on with life again
.

no, it's not that simple

[Alf]

no, it's not that simple"When you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything"

George Mcfly 1985

[arista]

no, it's not that simple

Yes its not Simple
But I am sure the EU
will allow WTO
just to get us out the way.

[Parmy]

Stop smudging the figures, there is a leaning that remainers won this vote, but people are using labour votes in the count and we all know labour is split on remain and leave.



Brexit won this hands down, and considering the 40 percent turnout, I think you could say the majority of non voters would be brexit eery fed up with the lack of brexit...

And corbyn should do the honourable thing like may did and resign at the state of his party atm.

[arista]

Former TV Chef
Antony Worral Thompson
was Conservative, now supports the Brexit Party
as a protest vote.


He is Live on Ch5HD Am

[Cherie]

Doesn't matter, the Leavers are not going to accept it if they were defeated, they're just gonna say it's 1-1.

If there was another vote, leave would win by a bigger margin than last time, I'm confident of that and the country doesn't need it, just to prove me right.

Happy with that, I don't think many remainers would have an issue if leave were to win again, that really would be the will of the people, I can't prove you right I only have one vote same as you

[Cherie]

Stop smudging the figures, there is a leaning that remainers won this vote, but people are using labour votes in the count and we all know labour is split on remain and leave.



Brexit won this hands down, and considering the 40 percent turnout, I think you could say the majority of non voters would be brexit eery fed up with the lack of brexit...

And corbyn should do the honourable thing like may did and resign at the state of his party atm.

Without Labour its 40/35 to remain, just seen the guy on Yougov confirm this on Sky

[Withano]

Anti-Brexit parties - those in favour of another referendum - collectively took about 40% of the vote, compared with 35% for the two parties in favour of leaving the EU without a deal.

Sends a pretty clear message

[arista]

The Brexity Party in Scotland
are projected to gain another MEP
making there total to 29

The Brexit Party
came 2nd in Scotland.

[arista]

Change UK and Greens
keep repeating the same word "Broken"

Its not Broken
its the Leaders of the 2 main party's not getting it right

[arista]

Sends a pretty clear message


No it does not
if it was clear
Change UK would have at least gained a MEP
instead they are like UKIP
nothing

[Smithy]

Stop smudging the figures, there is a leaning that remainers won this vote, but people are using labour votes in the count and we all know labour is split on remain and leave.


Nope wrong

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[Nicky91]

ugh brexit victory :bored: :yuk: this has ruined politics in UK, just voting for hopes, dreams and not based on what a party stands for

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

Nope wrong

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So you're just assuming Labour and the Tories are Remain? Both parties are pretty split tbh

[arista]

ugh brexit victory :bored: :yuk: this has ruined politics in UK, just voting for hopes, dreams and not based on what a party stands for



No Nicky
PM May
has single handedly
destroyed the Brexit Exit.

[Nicky91]

UK shouldn't have been allowed to vote in these elections anyway, now Farage is only gonna troll in european parliament


hope we EU kicks out UK soon ourselves, like we are afraid of the british scare tactics towards us, we EU have been already bigger than UK (which isn't a empire anymore, but more being laughed at for a long time by EU)

[arista]

So you're just assuming Labour and the Tories are Remain? Both parties are pretty split tbh



Yes they are.

[Smithy]

So you're just assuming Labour and the Tories are Remain? Both parties are pretty split tbh

Remove labor and tories, remain is ahead, split them equally for arguments sale, remain is still ahead

[arista]

UK shouldn't have been allowed to vote in these elections anyway, now Farage is only gonna troll in european parliament


hope we EU kicks out UK soon ourselves, like we are afraid of the british scare tactics towards us, we EU have been already bigger than UK (which isn't a empire anymore, but more being laughed at for a long time by EU)



But its a Legal problem


Loads of New Elected Le Penn in France also will Troll
It all over your SPLIT EU

[arista]

Remove labor and tories, remain is ahead, split them equally for arguments sale, remain is still ahead


but no time for a 2nd vote.

[Parmy]

Sends a pretty clear message

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

[Nicky91]

But its a Legal problem


Loads of Ne Elected Le Penn in France also will Troll
It all over your SPLIT EU

at least Le Pen i agree more with her views than Macron honestly


and comparing Le Pen to your brexit party and farage (brexit party i don't take serious as a political party at all) Le Pen i do take serious, france needs some change, especially when they have those yellow vests protests going on for some time now, against Macron

[Crimson Dynamo]

what a victorious night for Brexit and Nigel

once again the GBP have spoken in clear tones

[Mitchell]

Only because the rest are split lets be honest, and Brexiteers were out in force voting for their new party, in a 2nd ref remain would win that is clear and its been clear for a while which is why Brexiteers run scared when anyone mentions it and start puttering on about democracy

:clap1:

[Oliver_W]

Remove labor and tories, remain is ahead, split them equally for arguments sale, remain is still ahead

Why would we remove or spit them? Both have it in their manifesto to respect the referendum result, so if anything they should be counted among the Leave parties.

[Nicky91]

what a victorious night for Brexit and Nigel

once again the GBP have spoken in clear tones

yeah to vote blindly, unaware of what you vote for :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/08/article-7074237-14005496-132_308x440.jpg

[user104658]

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

32% of the vote is only meaningful if you fail to consider the fact that the rest of the vote is split across several parties. 32% of the vote means that 68% of the voters did NOT vote for the party offering Hard Brexit. Let that sink in. You can't assume that Labour or Conservative voters are against Brexit, but you can safely assume that most of them are against HARD Brexit, and thus, less than half of voters want a hard brexit. Meaning that it would be thoroughly undemocratic to deliver a hard Brexit.

I'd say we're no further forward really: We know that the UK voted for Brexit, we have a strong indication that people want Brexit WITH a deal and not without one, and we have a government that is failing miserably to deliver a working deal. :shrug:.

[user104658]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/08/article-7074237-14005496-132_308x440.jpg

Honestly does this image not just completely blow the claims that Scotland and England are in any way politically aligned out of the water :facepalm:. At this point the idea of the "United" Kingdom is just a joke.

[Vicky.]

You can't assume that Labour or Conservative voters are against Brexit, but you can safely assume that most of them are against HARD Brexit, and thus, less than half of voters want a hard brexit. Meaning that it would be thoroughly undemocratic to deliver a hard Brexit.


Well yes, however, 'the Brexit Party' surely won't see themselves as a long term party? So anything bar getting their own way won't matter to them like it would other parties surely? They wouldn't have to worry about pissing off future voters...as..after Brexit there would BE no future voters if thats all the party is about? (Personally, I think the 'party' is about Farage not losing HIS seat, and his 80k wage, and not much else :laugh: )

I do think its quite unlikely they will do anywhere near as well in a GE mind. But the chance is there. Do MPs HAVE to vote for the Brexit plan? Or theoretically, could Farage just get there, say **** it, no deal brexit, do it, then leave.

Most of those who voted leave that I know (obviously not that many really) do NOT want no deal. They want to leave, but with trade deals and stuff. It really doesn't seem too popular an option, and, I don't think we can really say that 32% want it just because they voted for Farage. Theres a fair few reasons to vote for him, and it WAS voting for him, not voting for the party..in honesty really.

[Vicky.]

Honestly does this image not just completely blow the claims that Scotland and England are in any way politically aligned out of the water :facepalm:. At this point the idea of the "United" Kingdom is just a joke.

That Scotland are going to get shafted because of England, its horrid really.

[reece(:]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/08/article-7074237-14005496-132_308x440.jpg


Yes and one Brexit MEP is expected for Scotland

[reece(:]

2014:

Conservatives + UKIP = 51%



2019:

Conservatives + UKIP + Brexit Party = 44% (-7%)

https://i.imgur.com/GU32azH.gif

[arista]

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How nice for them
reece

[arista]

That Scotland are going to get shafted because of England, its horrid really.


But Vicky
they are used to it.

[Vicky.]

Yes and one Brexit MEP is expected for Scotland

How would there be even one? Looks fairly unianimous to me :suspect:

[Vicky.]

But Vicky
they are used to it.

And that makes it better?!

[arista]

And that makes it better?!


No it is not better
but good job they are Tough in Scotland

[user104658]

How would there be even one? Looks fairly unianimous to me :suspect:

Euro Elections are different because they're Proportional Representation, not elected by constituency. So basically, the SNP got the most votes in every constituency, but the 6 Scottish MEPs are divided up by overall percentage for the whole country. Brexit party got (I believe) around 14% of the overall vote so they have one MEP. Lib Dems and Tories also have one Scottish MEP each. However, if this was a General Election, every Scottish MP (in Westminster) would be SNP. Bit confusing really because of the two different electoral systems.

[arista]

How would there be even one? Looks fairly unianimous to me :suspect:


It taking longer for the counting in some parts

[Vicky.]

Euro Elections are different because they're Proportional Representation, not elected by constituency. So basically, the SNP got the most votes in every constituency, but the 6 Scottish MEPs are divided up by overall percentage for the whole country. Brexit party got (I believe) around 14% of the overall vote so they have one MEP. Lib Dems and Tories also have one Scottish MEP each. However, if this was a General Election, every Scottish MP (in Westminster) would be SNP. Bit confusing really because of the two different electoral systems.

So, the fact that near all of England is blue..doesn't necessarily mean all the European MPs for here will be Brexit party then? Thats..a silver lining at least. Though I still don't know what they actually DO :laugh:

[user104658]

Do MPs HAVE to vote for the Brexit plan? Or theoretically, could Farage just get there, say **** it, no deal brexit, do it, then leave.

MEP's in Europe have no "real" power to do anything at all... and even if Brexit Party somehow won a General Election, the PM has no executive power to do... well also anything at all... without Parliament backing and certainly not something as big as Brexit. I believe it's already been put into law that Westminster will not trigger a no-deal Brexit from this end without parliament specifically voting for it. The only way we can no-deal is if it gets a majority vote in Parliament, or if we're basically forced out by the EU.

[Vicky.]

MEP's in Europe have no "real" power to do anything at all... and even if Brexit Party somehow won a General Election, the PM has no executive power to do... well also anything at all... without Parliament backing and certainly not something as big as Brexit. I believe it's already been put into law that Westminster will not trigger a no-deal Brexit from this end without parliament specifically voting for it. The only way we can no-deal is if it gets a majority vote in Parliament, or if we're basically forced out by the EU.

Ah thats good then. So basically, all this crowing about 'I WILL do this' and stuff is, bollocks :laugh: Theres a shock.

[user104658]

So, the fact that near all of England is blue..doesn;t necessarily mean all the European MPs for here will be Brexit party then? Thats..a silver lining at least. Though I still don;t know what they actually DO :laugh:

Not much, they fly to Europe a lot and argue about stuff I think :think:. And vote on EU-wide issues. Farage mainly goes to sit and bleat "Breeexiiiit" and have all of the other MEP's troll him.

[user104658]

Ah thats good then. So basically, all this crowing about 'I WILL do this' and stuff is, bollocks :laugh: Theres a shock.

Honestly I think if May's legacy is anything... it's proving once and for all that Prime Ministers have no power at all if they can't gain support in the room :joker:.

"We will do THIS!"
"...No."
"OK then... I want to do this!"
".....no Theresa."
"This?"
"Nah."
"Err... can we at least do THIS then please?"
"lol we said no."
"OK I resign."

[Vicky.]

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Apparently..hmm.

(May not be true, just a FB thing obviously..)

[Vicky.]

Honestly I think if May's legacy is anything... it's proving once and for all that Prime Ministers have no power at all if they can't gain support in the room :joker:.

"We will do THIS!"
"...No."
"OK then... I want to do this!"
".....no Theresa."
"This?"
"Nah."
"Err... can we at least do THIS then please?"
"lol we said no."
"OK I resign."

True :D

[bots]

it is true Vicky, the country is just as split as it has been since the ref. Nothing has changed

[arista]

Not much, they fly to Europe a lot and argue about stuff I think :think:. And vote on EU-wide issues. Farage mainly goes to sit and bleat "Breeexiiiit" and have all of the other MEP's troll him.

Yes
a gravy train.

But in The EU Italy and France now also have
Larger Right Wing MEP's

Its a Big EU change

[Cherie]

Ah thats good then. So basically, all this crowing about 'I WILL do this' and stuff is, bollocks :laugh: Theres a shock.

They will all be out on their ear on 31st October when the UK exits :hee:

[Twosugars]

Remain won :clap1:

And go Scotland!

[Cherie]

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Apparently..hmm.

(May not be true, just a FB thing obviously..)

No that is correct 40 per cent for pro remain opposed to 35 per cent pro Brexit

This is why I told you it was important to vote :hee:

[Vicky.]

it is true Vicky, the country is just as split as it has been since the ref. Nothing has changed

Looks to me like theres been a rather large shift towards anti-brexit tbh. The gap has widened pretty consistently since the vote, as MPs **** about. It was neck and neck.Though of course, this can't really be taken as a proper public opinion as..well so many didn't bother voting (and it wasn't a pro/anti brexit vote anyway really, though many took it that way), this is the opinion of what..32% or something of the country?! Useless in itself, but interesting none the less.

[Vicky.]

They will all be out on their ear on 31st October when the UK exits :hee:

I'm positive Farage doesn't really want to leave you know. Not given the perks (and wages) of European MPs if what I have seen is correct, apparently he gets 80k a year? Plus expenses and endless travel allowance too. One of my friends was arguing the other day that the sole reason the Brexit Party appeared was because Nige was in danger of losing his Eurpoean seat and thus, his space on the gravy train, said the 'party' was basically a vanity project to ensure he kept his job, hence no manifesto, no nothing besides 'vote for farage yeah!'. Not looked into that properly yet but hes usually pretty clued up on all things politics so ready to take his word tbh :laugh:

[user104658]

Looks to me like theres been a rather large shift towards anti-brexit tbh. The gap has widened pretty consistently since the vote, as MPs **** about. It was neck and neck.Though of course, this can't really be taken as a proper public opinion as..well so many didn't bother voting (and it wasn't a pro/anti brexit vote anyway really, though many took it that way), this is the opinion of what..32% or something of the country?! Useless in itself, but interesting none the less.

There's a slight indication that there's a shift to anti-brexit but it could still be roughly 50/50; it's hard to know the Brexit intentions of Labour and Tory voters.

However, it IS safe to assume that all of the "non Brexit party" voters and at least HALF (and that's a low estimate) of Tory and Labour supporters definitely do NOT want Brexit with "no deal". It's relatively sensible to assume that any Tory or Labour voters who are in favour of No Deal would have made that clear by voting Brexit Party.

So if you take "remain" off the table and make it "Some sort of EU deal vs No EU deal", the results are extremely clear. The UK does not want "No Deal". That idea quite simply has to be put to bed, and Westminster needs to either complete a deal that works or revoke A50. Anything else is resoundingly undemocratic at this point.

[Cherie]

I'm positive Farage doesn't really want to leave you know. Not given the perks (and wages) of European MPs if what I have seen is correct, apparently he gets 80k a year? Plus expenses and endless travel allowance too. One of my friends was arguing the other day that the sole reason the Brexit Party appeared was because Nige was in danger of losing his Eurpoean seat and thus, his space on the gravy train, said the 'party' was basically a vanity project to ensure he kept his job, hence no manifesto, no nothing besides 'vote for farage yeah!'. Not looked into that properly yet but hes usually pretty clued up on all things politics so ready to take his word tbh :laugh:

I agree with you Vicky, he hates the EU so much he wants to be an MEP :skull:

[Vicky.]

No that is correct 40 per cent for pro remain opposed to 35 per cent pro Brexit

This is why I told you it was important to vote :hee:

Ha, it was you that actually motivated me to take 2 days worth of painkillers and shuffle my way over to our voting station on an extremely bad pain day:D

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/07/13999034-7074237-This_diagram_shows_where_the_Brexit_Party_had_thei r_strongest_re-a-13_1558939598813.jpg

[Liam-]

I'm positive Farage doesn't really want to leave you know. Not given the perks (and wages) of European MPs if what I have seen is correct, apparently he gets 80k a year? Plus expenses and endless travel allowance too. One of my friends was arguing the other day that the sole reason the Brexit Party appeared was because Nige was in danger of losing his Eurpoean seat and thus, his space on the gravy train, said the 'party' was basically a vanity project to ensure he kept his job, hence no manifesto, no nothing besides 'vote for farage yeah!'. Not looked into that properly yet but hes usually pretty clued up on all things politics so ready to take his word tbh :laugh:

I fully agree, he’s the ultimate opportunist, he’s pulled the wool over the country’s eyes to benefit himself and he’s gonna be laughing all the way to the bank, he’s many things, but dumb isn’t one of them, he knows what he’s got to do to keep himself relevant

[Nicky91]

Go London :clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No that is correct 40 per cent for pro remain opposed to 35 per cent pro Brexit

This is why I told you it was important to vote :hee:

its not true in the slightest, Gina whots her face tried that on with Nick Ferrari this morning and he destroyed her

The next caller, and i kid you not, was a leave Green voter

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

look at the front row faces

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/08/14005498-7074197-image-m-22_1558940903888.jpg

[Nicky91]

all this boosting Nigel's already huge ego even more :notimpressed:

[arista]

[Tom Harwood
‏Verified account @tomhfh

Not including the Tory Party as a pro-Brexit vote when doing weird maths to manipulate your result is beyond mental.

��Some�� journalists who should know better are actually taking the piss.

Being factual, it's 60/40 to Leave.
Being generous to Remainers, it's 52% Leave. Again.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7kJEBgXsAEYAt1.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Tom Harwood
‏Verified account @tomhfh

Not including the Tory Party as a pro-Brexit vote when doing weird maths to manipulate your result is beyond mental.

��Some�� journalists who should know better are actually taking the piss.

Being factual, it's 60/40 to Leave.
Being generous to Remainers, it's 52% Leave. Again.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7kJEBgXsAEYAt1.jpg

oof

[arista]

look at the front row faces

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/08/14005498-7074197-image-m-22_1558940903888.jpg


Yes Claire Fox
New Brexit Party MEP

[Vicky.]

I fully agree, he’s the ultimate opportunist, he’s pulled the wool over the country’s eyes to benefit himself and he’s gonna be laughing all the way to the bank, he’s many things, but dumb isn’t one of them, he knows what he’s got to do to keep himself relevant

Oh yeah, hes a smart bloke alright..will give him that.

[arista]

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General Election?
NOW?

[Vicky.]

[Tom Harwood
‏Verified account @tomhfh

Not including the Tory Party as a pro-Brexit vote when doing weird maths to manipulate your result is beyond mental.

��Some�� journalists who should know better are actually taking the piss.

Being factual, it's 60/40 to Leave.
Being generous to Remainers, it's 52% Leave. Again.]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7kJEBgXsAEYAt1.jpg

Erm, the Tory party are split, just like Labour. So surely, the bets way to estimate is just to take those two out totally?!

Its definitely 'weird maths' to include the Tory party in with leave, whilst totally discounting labour :joker:

[user104658]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7kJEBgXsAEYAt1.jpg

I personally think considering the Labour vote as being anything other than at least 75% "probably would vote remain" is entirely disingenuous in these figures, honestly. The honest maths (like I said on the other thread) is that it's still hovering around 50/50 on a binary vote, and a very heavy indication that "No Deal Brexit" is heavily opposed. :shrug:.

[Cherie]

Ha, it was you that actually motivated me to take 2 days worth of painkillers and shuffle my way over to our voting station on an extremely bad pain day:D

:clap1:

[Twosugars]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/07/13999034-7074237-This_diagram_shows_where_the_Brexit_Party_had_thei r_strongest_re-a-13_1558939598813.jpg

Bring it on.

Even with your hard brexit London will be alright.
It's the brexit voters themselves who will suffer the most
Turkeys voting for Christmas

[Twosugars]

:clap1:

You see Cherie? I knew I shouldn't name you as a pointless Irish member in Shaun's game :)

[Vicky.]

I personally think considering the Labour vote as being anything other than at least 75% "probably would vote remain" is entirely disingenuous in these figures, honestly. The honest maths (like I said on the other thread) is that it's still hovering around 50/50 on a binary vote, and a very heavy indication that "No Deal Brexit" is heavily opposed. :shrug:.

Yeah, I would think a choice between no deal and revoke article 50 would be about 60/40 for revoking. And thats being generous to no deal. No deal brexit is an extremist position I think (obviously not saying all who want this are extremists, but in terms of the vote itself...its an outlier) and to make out its the majority choice is..just wrong.

As I have said repeatedly, I know there are many more people than those I know, but the huge majority of leave voters I know, voted leave assuming there would be some sort of deal. A few are for no deal..but not many of them. Mind, a lot of those who want a deal seem to be of the opinion that we could get a deal that was basically..no immigrants but keep free trade..which is obviously fantasy! Keep the good bits and get rid of the bad. Erm, not likely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And wow at Marie doing so well in France

[reece(:]

Labour: Unknown :joker:

https://i.imgur.com/SjRqfO1.png

[arista]

For VICKY

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Scotland Welcomes One Brexit Party MEP

[reece(:]

Yes Claire Fox
New Brexit Party MEP

Horrid woman

[Vicky.]

For VICKY

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Scotland Welcomes One Brexit Party MEP

Its no shock to me that Scotland vote mainly SNP. Labour have been dying there for a while :suspect:

I do find the voting breakdowns quite interesting though.

And the fact Labour have none there, and the Tories managed one is quite funny really. I thought a Scot voting Tory was basically a unicorn!

And think Labour will be hammered in the GE, but not quite as badly as the Tories. I think its all going to be split even more, and a few parties will have to join to form a majority, not just one party being basically bought to help the larger stay in power That day I still dread, as I have still not found a party I can vote for, and I feel like..I have to vote as people basically died for my right to. So maybe a spoiled ballot or something :umm2:

[Cherie]

You see Cherie? I knew I shouldn't name you as a pointless Irish member in Shaun's game :)

Probs cost you points as well so a double whammy :laugh:

[arista]

Horrid woman


a Ex Communist
Infact

[Vicky.]

Mind, for all Tommy Robinsons bluster, he did well didn't he :hehe: Even with his many fanboys, nowhere.

[Cherie]

Bring it on.

Even with your hard brexit London will be alright.
It's the brexit voters themselves who will suffer the most
Turkeys voting for Christmas

The low vote in Yorkshire :D

[arista]

Its no shock to me that Scotland vote mainly SNP. Labour have been dying there for a while :suspect:

I do find the voting breakdowns quite interesting though.

And the fact Labour have none there, and the Tories managed one is quite funny really. I thought a Scot voting Tory was basically a unicorn!

And think Labour will be hammered in the GE, but not quite as badly as the Tories. I think its all going to be split even more, and a few parties will have to join to form a majority, not just one party being basically bought to help the larger stay in power That day I still dread, as I have still not found a party I can vote for, and I feel like..I have to vote as people basically died for my right to. So maybe a spoiled ballot or something :umm2:


Yes Labour not liked in Scotland
thats why Conservatives got in as main MP's
back in the 2017 General Election.
That was a Shock.

[reece(:]

Mind, for all Tommy Robinsons bluster, he did well didn't he :hehe: Even with his many fanboys, nowhere.
Poor that

https://i.imgur.com/GU32azH.gif

[Vicky.]

Yes Labour not liked in Scotland
thats why Conservatives got in as main MP's
back in the 2017 General Election.
That was a Shock.

For some maybe, for me..I thought it would probably happen. SNP promised votes on leaving the union, which seem as divisive in Scotland as Brexit is here. So they were going to get a lot of support. Even moreso now, when Scotland is basically being punished for England being dicks! Another referendum there now, I think would win by a landlslide tbh. And I think thats why many vote SNP. For that chance of another vote. As much as I can't stand Sturgeon, she really does seem to want the best for her country, and manages to offset a lot of the Tories crueler policies. Kind of wish when (not if IMO) Scotland go off on their own, they would take the ****ing North East too :laugh: Though tbh, the north east is a bit of a dead fish. Why would anyone want us, we vote against the EU despite recieving a hell of a lot of funding from them, so vote for our area to be even bloody worse than it is now..

[reece(:]

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[Vicky.]

https://i.imgur.com/7SvJXFT.png

No no, to be 'fair' you have to add the Tory vote to hard brexit (despite the tory party being divided..), and discount Labour! Otherwise you are manipulating statistics :D

[reece(:]

No no, to be 'fair' you have to add the Tory vote to hard brexit (despite the tory party being divided..), and discount Labour! Otherwise you are manipulating statistics :D

Oh yes the hard brexit Tories including hard brexiteer MPs Ken Clarke, Dom Grieve, Amber Rudd and Phillip Hammond etc !!! (the latter said he would vote against a no deal Tory whip) :fan:

[reece(:]

Labour's David Lammy, Ian Murray and Martin Whitfield have blasted Corbyn's mess of an EU election and indecision

:clap1: :clap1:

[Liam-]

He tired to make both sides happy, which in circumstances like these ones, will never work

[Vicky.]

He tired to make both sides happy, which in circumstances like these ones, will never work

Thats all he ever ****ing does. He needs to actually make a decision on something and stick to it, rather than flip flopping all over trying to please both sides. I genuinely can't believe I fell for all his bluster not that long ago and voted for him. I am polar opposite on him now, where I did think he was the saviour of the country for gods sake :joker: Its hilarious looking back, almost like joining a cult, I ignored everything bad and just thought he was amazing. His speeches were great, but I see now that its basically just..saying the right words for wherever you are speaking at. No actual...plan or..go. Just words. So, no good at all really.

[Vicky.]

See stuff like this.. 'Jeremy Corbyn has hinted the Labour Party may move towards backing a second referendum after a dismal European elections.'...hinted isn't really good enough. Put the damn foot down and chose.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/27/corbyn-backs-second-referendum-crushing-defeat-european-elections-9695185/?fbclid=IwAR1yNHuaBPpE_SH-GasXi3waEuHsjnh1Pu00FgVNoJ6JhWVkCdobyvNaGus

[Twosugars]

Corbyn's problem is he is a brexiter leading a remain party. 75% of Labour members are remain.
He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

[Vicky.]

Corbyn's problem is he is a brexiter leading a remain party. 75% of Labour members are remain.
He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

Agreed, hes the main reason I feel I cannot vote for Labour these days, after voting for them since I could!

He will cling on though, and anyone challenging him will be defeated. The only way he will go is if he voluntarily steps dpwn, which is unlikely. Mind, I think being wiped out in a GE might finally make him take notice. Unfortunately, I stil think people will be loyal and vote Labour regardless, so they won't get the crushing defeat they deserve. Having said that, the Tories deserve a bigger defeat. But..who on earth will defeat them? I know Lib Dems have picked up a lot of support in this, but willl that translate into GE votes? I really want both Lanbour and Tories to be wiped out so they rethink everything, but am unsure who I want to wipe them out as the other options are..dodgy too.

The only good thing about this ****show, is that the next GE is slightly unpredictable. The bad thing, is that there is a chance, albeit a small one, that Farages party will get a lot of seats, and they appear to be further right than the Tories in their views (mind, of course their views aren't that known, given people voted for them without knowing them to start with...) :S

[Oliver_W]

He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

What are his wrong reasons, and in your opinion what would be some right reasons, if any?

[Withano]

European Election Results headlines:
- Brexit Party win with 32% of the vote
- Lib Dems second, ahead of Labour
- Worst Conservative performance ever.
Here's everything you need to know.


This is the only thing sending a clear message....32 percent of the vote......how lon has that party been running for again?.....32 percent of the vote....just let that sink in..

I know. Much less than the remain parties.

[joeysteele]

Oh yes the hard brexit Tories including hard brexiteer MPs Ken Clarke, Dom Grieve, Amber Rudd and Phillip Hammond etc !!! (the latter said he would vote against a no deal Tory whip) :fan:

I've many Conservative friends too, who don't want anything like a hard brexit.
They either want a deal or to revoke article 50 altogether.

I have very few Labour friends who would support a no deal or hard brexit.
They want another referendum.

Labour much moreso to a beneficial deal or remain should be the road we go on.
With another public vote on the issue.

Corbyn is in difficulty, he really wants to leave.
Labour voters mostly want to remain and the membership want a new referendum.
If Corbyn won't deliver what his voters want and membership wants..
He maybe should now after 5 years as leader.
Re think his position as leader.

The Conservatives have a big problem, Theresa May had an agreement to deliver a brexit.
Her hard-line group of the Party blocked leaving with that.
Now in a leadership election process with a likely stronger hard-line pro brexit leader to come.

They lost votes left,right and centre, falling to only 9% of the votes here.
Doesn't say much as to who is on offer in their leadership election.

It's a straight switch from UKIP to The Brexit party.
UKIP won 24 seats last time.
These have 28 now.
Up to 32% from 27% last time.
So a few more votes and seats admittedly but not earth shaking.

Labour must in my view, wish to get another vote to the public.
I'm now a convert to that myself.

A general election will only deliver another hung Parliament.
Likely compounding the problems in place now even more.

[MTVN]

The Tories slogan was literally 'the only party that can deliver Brexit' so it's odd they're not being included in a lot of graphs comparing Leave vs Remain. Fair eenough if you're talking specifically about hard Brexit but even then its looking extremely likely that the next Tory leader will be a hard Brexiteer

In the end there's a lot of selective interpretation of these results going on from both sides but it really doesn't say much about how another referendum would go given the turnout would be double. The country is still divided and that's the only definite conclusion you can make really

[Withano]

Mind, for all Tommy Robinsons bluster, he did well didn't he :hehe: Even with his many fanboys, nowhere.

:lovedup: hope he fades away into nothingness, finally.

[Nicky91]

Corbyn's problem is he is a brexiter leading a remain party. 75% of Labour members are remain.
He is a brexiter and for all the wrong reasons to boot. He's ruining the party.

same here with our dutch Labour party, also pro-EU but the difference with our labour and british labour lies in the fact we have a better leader

Asscher (despite some criticism from fellow politicians) he's overall liked by an older and younger generation, also not anti-semitic what Corbyn also had been accused of by some


PVDA (had been more popular in parliament back in the days of wim kok, ruud lubbers) but i'm pleased they were the majority party for us in these elections

[Vicky.]

:lovedup: hope he fades away into nothingness, finally.

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide :laugh: Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.

[Elliot]

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide :laugh: Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.

Tommy Robinson playing the victim?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9898c3f4f7c44b541b5263e389fa9e5a/tenor.gif?itemid=10272786

[Twosugars]

Tommy Robinson playing the victim?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/9898c3f4f7c44b541b5263e389fa9e5a/tenor.gif?itemid=10272786

:joker::joker::joker:

[joeysteele]

The Tories slogan was literally 'the only party that can deliver Brexit' so it's odd they're not being included in a lot of graphs comparing Leave vs Remain. Fair eenough if you're talking specifically about hard Brexit but even then its looking extremely likely that the next Tory leader will be a hard Brexiteer

In the end there's a lot of selective interpretation of these results going on from both sides but it really doesn't say much about how another referendum would go given the turnout would be double. The country is still divided and that's the only definite conclusion you can make really


Well it's not really being selective.
As if you think all the Conservatives are pro brexit only.
Then that takes the pro brexit votes to 44%.

If you do that, you then cannot discount Labours 14% to suit too.
Most of those voting Labour want a much closer aligned brexit or in the absence of that, no brexit at all.

So the bulk of Labour votes need to be taken as a world away from Farage's and the likes of frontrunners in the Conservative leadership.

So without Labour and Conservative inclusion.
It's as was said, 40% remain Parties.
35% strongly pro brexit Parties.

Add in the other 2 usually main Parties.
You at best are left with probably 52/3% remain Parties. and 47/8 strongly pro brexit Parties.
Had only the Brexit Party and say Lib Dems stood.
That could have been what resulted more than likely.

Speaking for myself, I once said I'd never consider voting Lib Dem again.
However in the scenario I put above.
I'd have voted Lib Dem against the Brexit one for sure.

[arista]

:lovedup: hope he fades away into nothingness, finally.


Of Course he will NOT
he got thousands voting for him
massive support


But as The Brexit Party did so well
he had no chance of a win

[arista]

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide :laugh: Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.



He is busy editing more Videos
of the police that led the Extreme Muslims
who chucked rocks at him

[Crimson Dynamo]

Apparently hes blaming the establishment, saying they purposely had him banned from social media to sabotage him and otherwise he would have had a landslide :laugh: Mind, the victim role gains him more 'fans' I think, not much chance of him disappearing unfortunately but we can hope.
I did not know you watched all his videos, would not have put you down as a fan?

[Withano]

Of Course he will NOT
he got thousands voting for him
massive support


But as The Brexit Party did so well
he had no chance of a win

A couple thousand isn’t very much and it’s not like he has much to fall back on. So.

[Tom4784]

Have they actually detailed any policies or plans yet or do they believe they don't ever have to do that since they got a bunch of uninformed ignorant people voting for them anyway so they don't need to be accountable for anything?

[arista]

A couple thousand isn’t very much and it’s not like he has much to fall back on. So.


Sure

[Parmy]

Come on corbyn..do the right thing and resign.

[Vicky.]

I did not know you watched all his videos, would not have put you down as a fan?

'All' his videos? No thanks. have seen a few of them though :suspect:

[MTVN]

Well it's not really being selective.
As if you think all the Conservatives are pro brexit only.
Then that takes the pro brexit votes to 44%.

If you do that, you then cannot discount Labours 14% to suit too.
Most of those voting Labour want a much closer aligned brexit or in the absence of that, no brexit at all.

So the bulk of Labour votes need to be taken as a world away from Farage's and the likes of frontrunners in the Conservative leadership.

So without Labour and Conservative inclusion.
It's as was said, 40% remain Parties.
35% strongly pro brexit Parties.

Add in the other 2 usually main Parties.
You at best are left with probably 52/3% remain Parties. and 47/8 strongly pro brexit Parties.
Had only the Brexit Party and say Lib Dems stood.
That could have been what resulted more than likely.

Speaking for myself, I once said I'd never consider voting Lib Dem again.
However in the scenario I put above.
I'd have voted Lib Dem against the Brexit one for sure.

I'm not discounting Labour's 14% but they don't fit neatly into either Remain or Leave whereas the others do. Sure it's a world away from Farage but their stance is also quite far removed from the Lib Dems which is why most Remain campaigners were telling people not to vote Labour as they were a pro-Brexit party

[arista]

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[Underscore]

Must say it has been so satisfying to see the Tories (and to a lesser extent Labour) suffer.

[joeysteele]

I know. Much less than the remain parties.

Indeed Withano, spot on.

Also this is a new party in name only.
With the same leader who took UKIP to top the vote in 2014 and 28 seats.

He's now taken this grouping to top the vote again, supplanting his old UKIP party with 5 more seats.

I cannot bear Farage, he is divisive, loud and bigoted in my view.
He is however a big player in politics particularly on brexit.

All he's done is repeat the level he reached 5 years ago leading UKIP.

32% of the vote is not a majority and his destruction of his other party for his current vehicle.
Has no real votes to hand to him now.

32% plus UKIPs 4%, is a long way from a majority of votes.
If the Brexit position is at 44%.
Including all the Conservative votes too.

No wonder he'd fear and put down any new vote on the issue.

[Withano]

Sure

Tommy Robinson is cancelled

Source: Sky News HD

[Twosugars]

Tommy Robinson is cancelled

Source: Sky News HD

:joker:

[Alf]

The Right seemed to do well in Europe.

Will you still be pro EU if the right takes over it?

[Nicky91]

The Right seemed to do well in Europe.

Will you still be pro EU if the right takes over it?

yes i'll still be pro EU, and some of the far right countries have been warned few times already (yes looking at you Hungary, with evil dictator orban)

so i can see some of those getting kicked out if they go too far


and if Farage keeps trolling (like he does now with his brexit party) well EU can also kick out UK themselves, way before October 31st


most take it very much seriously in european parliament

[Alf]

yes i'll still be pro EU, and some of the far right countries have been warned few times already (yes looking at you Hungary, with evil dictator orban)

so i can see some of those getting kicked out if they go too far


and if Farage keeps trolling (like he does now with his brexit party) well EU can also kick out UK themselves, way before October 31st


most take it very much seriously in european parliamentYou make the current EU sound like fascists with all this censoring and de-platforming. I thought you was suppose to be bigging them up?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Did anyone ever find out what the failing Labour party's stance was on Brexit?

[Nicky91]

You make the current EU sound like fascists with all this censoring and de-platforming. I thought you was suppose to be bigging them up?

oh, so we should allow ''far right'' countries to stay in our EU


Hungary's Orban has done evil things, he controls women wether or not they should have children or not (which is a big no no since everyone can decide for themselves if you want children or not)

closed borders to prevent terrorism :facepalm: no no either because you can still have terrorists in your country

[joeysteele]

Labour has not captured the unifying ground and now needs to really come down on one side.
I think it should take the anti brexit line.

Labour has been consistent, it has always wanted a customs union arrangement, as close to the single market as possible and never in support of no deal.
That's pretty clear to me.
The country and Parties are divided on the best way forward.
It was never going to be easy, Labour are not the government.
The Conservative party is.

The mess is theirs but to be fair the mess is understandable.
Theresa May who I dislike totally, got an agreement the best she could..
It's some of HER party who wrecked that and her premiership, no one else.

The fudge from Labour on another vote is what Labour needs to clear up.
It should support one unconditionally.
Stop trying to unite those who have no wish to be unified.
Corbyn needs to lead and not muddle things as he has on the referendum so far.

Things are not clear or easy on brexit, it's not wrong to try to find a way to fuse together two sides but it's failed for Labour.
Mainly because of Corbyn's mixed thinking on another vote.

The Conservative message is unclear too.

The SNP, Greens, Plaid Cynru and Lib Dems want to remain.
That's clear, that works.
In remaining nothing changes.

The Brexit supporters in Parliament need to be more honest.
Some want a soft brexit they call it.
Some an arrangement like May's agreement.
Some want out at any cost to everyone.

This was always going to be difficult.
Now 3 years on, a lot has been learned, and changed.

If we'd got moving out a year after the referendum, instead of the sideshow of Mrs May's general election.
Fine.

Two further years on from that.
I hated the thought of another vote, now 3 years on, I've changed my mind.

I'm sure I'm not the only one to do so either.

If brexit supporters really do believe, the Country still wants to leave.
Then why they fear another vote is beyond me.

If I believed I'd win a vote and win another too, I'd love to have and be eager to have such votes.

I think Corbyn's problem may be more about, he wants to leave for his agenda and so fears another vote going the other way.
That for me is the only confusion for me as to Labours stance.

For the life of me, I'll never understand why Corbyn helped support the ERG wing of the Conservatives and the DUP, by whipping his MPs against May's agreement with the EU.

I feel, if he fails now to support another public vote.
He should be replaced too.

[Livia]

Did anyone ever find out what the failing Labour party's stance was on Brexit?

I think it's a secret.

[Vicky.]

Corbyn is 'hinting' at a second ref apparently

This hinting at this and hinting at that is part of the ****ing problem. Just bloody well chose, you cannot keep both sides happy.

[joeysteele]

Corbyn is 'hinting' at a second ref apparently

This hinting at this and hinting at that is part of the ****ing problem. Just bloody well chose, you cannot keep both sides happy.

He's going to lose me if he keeps hinting and not setting out to delliver.

He needs to say he'll fully support one or not.
If he won't, then he needs to go and fast.

[Vicky.]

He's going to lose me if he keeps hinting and not setting out to delliver.

He needs to say he'll fully support one or not.
If he won't, then he needs to go and fast.

I will be surprised if he sets a firm view.

I would also be surprised if he left voluntarily. And unfortunately, I think anyone challenging him for leadership would be wiped out.

I really don't think he will go until Labour do way worse than usual at a GE, asnd even then he might cling on and make excuses.

[Livia]

I will be surprised if he sets a firm view.

I would also be surprised if he left voluntarily. And unfortunately, I think anyone challenging him for leadership would be wiped out.

I really don't think he will go until Labour do way worse than usual at a GE, asnd even then he might cling on and make excuses.

I feel the same, Vicky.

[joeysteele]

I will be surprised if he sets a firm view.

I would also be surprised if he left voluntarily. And unfortunately, I think anyone challenging him for leadership would be wiped out.

I really don't think he will go until Labour do way worse than usual at a GE, asnd even then he might cling on and make excuses.



As Livia once reminded me of Harold Wilson saying a week is a long time in politics.

Politics can change in a flash.
Hence the chaos for the 2 usual main Parties re Brexit.

Corbyn isn't invincible, milk left out the fridge can go off overnight.

The membership want a new vote.
If he faffs about on this new vote and really fudges it again.
That tide can easily turn.
I think the signs are it is beginning to anyway.
From what I'm hearing.

Then he has this investigation looming now.
He may well think gradually 5 years as leader, helping erode the overall majority the Conservatives had, and now he's 70.
This a best or good time to quit while seeming ahead.

No main party will win the next election outright.
I don't know Vicky, if he fails to back a new public vote.
That could be an issue too much to take for Labour MPs and at last Labour members too.
Of which I'm one if he fails to support one now.

I'm now, like yourself extremely both disappointed and dismayed by him.

[user104658]

I really don't think he will go until Labour do way worse than usual at a GE

Well... he is also quite old :umm2:.

[bots]

there was some serious criticism flying from labour mp's on sunday night toward "the party". I think labour are just a split as the tories on who wants what outcome, they have just hidden it better being the opposition and fudged it by not committing to either side. The moment labour choose a side is the moment they split apart too

[joeysteele]

there was some serious criticism flying from labour mp's on sunday night toward "the party". I think labour are just a split as the tories on who wants what outcome, they have just hidden it better being the opposition and fudged it by not committing to either side. The moment labour choose a side is the moment they split apart too

.I agree.

However too, if a side is not chosen it will likely happen too.
Lots of complaining now.

The 2017 election surprised many in Labour.
There's now no magic solution to the Brexit issue however.

Corbyn has to risk one side or the other.
Decision time looms.

I think a new leader is needed.