CNN USA Live kids sleepping outside at USA Border Patrol Station - So What?

[arista]

Chris Cuomo goes live
with only a few photos?

2 Women in Washington DC.
on the TV with hm.

This is Pathetic.


These are Illegals that broke into USA
they need to be sent back

[Ammi]

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190514115310-05-border-patrol-station-mcallen-exlarge-169.jpg

[Oliver_W]

If they want to sleep outdoors, it'd be warmer to do so on the Southern side of the border tbf

[Liam-]

Awful

[Ammi]

...so what though...?...they’re pathetic illegals not children..they need to get themselves up out of the dirt and stop being so silly...

[Ammi]

Awful

..:love:..

[arista]

...so what though...?...they’re pathetic illegals not children..they need to get themselves up out of the dirt and stop being so silly...


They are not sleeping on Dirt
they are sleeping on small stones.
NO DIRT, madame

Also Ammi
they are not Pathetic
They are Illegals that broke into the USA
and many will get sent back.

[Liam-]

Like fair enough have a disdain for adults in this situation, they know what they’re doing is wrong, but the sheer lack of compassion for innocent kids having to do this is quite frankly, disturbing, it never fails to shock me

[Niamh.]

Like fair enough have a disdain for adults in this situation, they know what they’re doing is wrong, but the sheer lack of compassion for innocent kids having to do this is quite frankly, disturbing, it never fails to shock me

.

[arista]

Like fair enough have a disdain for adults in this situation, they know what they’re doing is wrong, but the sheer lack of compassion for innocent kids having to do this is quite frankly, disturbing, it never fails to shock me


You need to understand
this was going on before Trump was in power

[Liam-]

You need to understand
this was going on before Trump was in power

Okay?..

[Matthew.]

Like fair enough have a disdain for adults in this situation, they know what they’re doing is wrong, but the sheer lack of compassion for innocent kids having to do this is quite frankly, disturbing, it never fails to shock me

People are so heartless. Or at least pretend to be because they think it’s edgy

[AnnieK]

You need to understand
this was going on before Trump was in power

That doesn't make any difference, its sadder that there are children still there. Trump, Obama whoever, its still terribly sad and am saddened that you appear to have no compassion for the children. We have homeless children of our own, who are legal in this country and they get treated with the same disdain as you are showing these poor kids. Its heartbreaking.

[arista]

That doesn't make any difference, its sadder that there are children still there. Trump, Obama whoever, its still terribly sad and am saddened that you appear to have no compassion for the children. We have homeless children of our own, who are legal in this country and they get treated with the same disdain as you are showing these poor kids. Its heartbreaking.



That is the Way it is
in America
The Parents bring the Children
as the hope they can then stay.
But it is not the case , now.


When they get older
they can tell their parents off.

[Twosugars]

They are not sleeping on Dirt
they are sleeping on small stones.
NO DIRT, madame

Also Ammi
they are not Pathetic
They are Illegals that broke into the USA
and many will get sent back.

They are still human beings
I get it they broke the law but they haven't murdered anyone?
No need to dehumanise is there

[Twosugars]

That is the Way it is
in America
The Parents bring the Children
as the hope they can then stay.
But it is not the case , now.


When they get older
they can tell their parents off.

It's not about how it is in America, its about how you report it

[arista]

It's not about how it is in America, its about how you report it


Facts
That what I reported.

[Twosugars]

Facts
That what I reported.

"So what"
"Pathetic"

Are not facts, but judgements

[arista]

"So what"
"Pathetic"

Are not facts, but judgements


Yes Terrible live Show in the Early hours
CNN HD

[The Slim Reaper]

Imagine thinking that other humans are illegal because of where they happen to be on the earth at a particular point in time.

[Oliver_W]

Imagine thinking that other humans are illegal because of where they happen to be on the earth at a particular point in time.

Imagine thinking another human being is a burglar because they break into a house which isn't there and take other people's belongings.

[The Slim Reaper]

Imagine thinking another human being is a burglar because they break into a house which isn't there and take other people's belongings.

Imagine believing that refugees, asylum seekers, and immigrants are the same as burglars, and then being proud enough to write that publicly. Couldn't be me.

[arista]

Imagine thinking that other humans are illegal because of where they happen to be on the earth at a particular point in time.


Rubbish
Nations have Borders
it been like that forever

[arista]

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190514115310-05-border-patrol-station-mcallen-exlarge-169.jpg



Thats a old image
Not shown last night

They layed on small stones

[The Slim Reaper]

Rubbish
Nations have Borders
it been like that forever

No it hasn't. And borders do not make people inherently illegal. You need to examine your attitudes my brother, because history has shown us what happens when we give the powerful the abilty to dehumanise the weak.

[Ammi]

...it might not have been shown last night, Arista...but it’s still coming up as an image for yesterday...not an old image...

[Ammi]

...I don’t get the burglar analogy...what did the children burgle..the air that they’re breathing ...because that air is in the wrong place or something...

[Tom4784]

empathy
/ˈɛmpəθi/
noun
the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
synonyms: affinity with, rapport with, sympathy with, understanding of, sensitivity towards, sensibility to, identification with, awareness of, fellowship with, fellow feeling for, like-mindedness, togetherness, closeness to; informalchemistry
"what is really important about learning a language is learning empathy for another culture"

[The Slim Reaper]

...I don’t get the burglar analogy...what did the children burgle..the air that they’re breathing ...because that air is in the wrong place or something...

Being brown and breathing is increasingly being treated as a crime these days.

[Oliver_W]

Being brown and breathing is increasingly being treated as a crime these days.

Dont be silly - there are plenty of brown people who manage to go from one country to another without breaking the law to do so.

[Twosugars]

This world is going through a particularly nasty phase these days. Some people's capacity for callousness is depressing

[arista]

...it might not have been shown last night, Arista...but it’s still coming up as an image for yesterday...not an old image...


But nothing to do with the live Show at 2AM
the photos he showed had kids sleeping on small stones.

They were not Harmed in any way.

[arista]

empathy
/ˈɛmpəθi/
noun
the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
synonyms: affinity with, rapport with, sympathy with, understanding of, sensitivity towards, sensibility to, identification with, awareness of, fellowship with, fellow feeling for, like-mindedness, togetherness, closeness to; informalchemistry
"what is really important about learning a language is learning empathy for another culture"


Dezzy
they get Empathy from the staff
before they Send the BACK


Its the Law of the LAND



Chris Cuomo did a much better show
last month when he went
to a border zone base in person.
He asked a man "Why did he bring his young Son"
the many said so he could stay in the USA.
Chis then said it may not work , both Dad and son
can be sent back.

[The Slim Reaper]

Dezzy
they get Empathy from the staff
before they Send the BACK


Its the Law of the LAND

Just following orders.

[arista]

Just following orders.


Yes Law and Order
has been with us for so long.

[Ammi]

...they didn’t get empathy from the staff though before they were sent back...(..and we don’t know what the situation is now and whether they’re still there or not...whether they’ve crossed the border or not...)...wasn’t that the thread../..the point of it...that the children were sleeping outside on the ground...and so what..?...how is that showing them empathy, how is that treating them with any kindness or compassion...

[arista]

...they didn’t get empathy from the staff though before they were sent back...(..and we don’t know what the situation is now and whether they’re still there or not...whether they’ve crossed the border or not...)...wasn’t that the thread../..the point of it...that the children were sleeping outside on the ground...and so what..?...how is that showing them empathy, how is that treating them with any kindness or compassion...


Its Not the USA Border Staff's fault
this has been going on for many years.

Yes "So What", I say
I mean nothing is going to change
the kids are not harmed
it the Parents Stupid idea.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its Not the USA Border Staff's fault
this has been going on for many years.

Yes "So What", I say
I mean nothing is going to change
the kids are not harmed
it the Parents Stupid idea.

Kids are dying in the custody of the US government.

[Ammi]

...no nothing is going to change or it will get worse sadly...because The Trump doesn’t want any of those ‘illegals’ in the Grand ol’ USA...stealing the air and the water from the less Mexican type people...he’s alright Jack, he was fortunate enough not to ever have to consider crossing a border..either legally or illegally to get away from poverty and try for something better for his children...

[arista]

Kids are dying in the custody of the US government.


Yes a few have
but its rare,

[Ammi]

Kids are dying in the custody of the US government.

...not kids though...’illegals’...and so what, it won’t ever change apparently..we’ll just put up and shut up while the kids die...

[Ammi]

Yes a few have
but its rare,

...that’s okay then, ‘rare’ is a good thing...

[arista]

...not kids though...’illegals’...and so what, it won’t ever change apparently..we’ll just put up and shut up while the kids die...


No they were accidents
that sometimes happen


In general
no kids are not harmed,

[Twosugars]

...not kids though...’illegals’...and so what, it won’t ever change apparently..we’ll just put up and shut up while the kids die...
I'd sort of understand this passive and complicit attitude if it was happening in Stalin's Russia or Mao's China, fair enough.
But to display such attitude in democracy?! Troubling...

[arista]

...that’s okay then, ‘rare’ is a good thing...


Of course its not OK
but on this show
it was not about any deaths

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes a few have
but its rare,

You've just said they are not harmed, and then 1 post later you admit that children are dying, but it's rare. I know you're so much better than this and it's frustrating to watch you set your own bar so low.

[The Slim Reaper]

No they were accidents
that sometimes happen


In general
no kids are not harmed,

At least 3 dead children in the last 5 months alone.

[Ammi]

Of course its not OK
but on this show
it was not about any deaths

...that’s the thing with deaths, Arista...they don’t really stay on one specific show because death is forever ...there have been deaths of children being detained and yet here they are sleeping on the ground in the dirt, more open to infection..with no thought of care at all regardless of those ‘rare’ deaths....of course this is about deaths, it should be about deaths and it should be about humanity...

[Liam-]

One child dying while in the hands of border agents is far too many, the country is turning into the home of barabaric, compassionless monsters and the fish rots from the top.

[arista]

...that’s the thing with deaths, Arista...they don’t really stay on one specific show because death is forever ...there have been deaths of children being detained and yet here they are sleeping on the ground in the dirt, more open to infection..with no thought of care at all regardless of those ‘rare’ deaths....of course this is about deaths, it should be about deaths and it should be about humanity...


Ammi
CNN HD has done of shows on the Child Deaths

And will you get this
NO Dirt was on those stones
in those photos , last night


Do not bring the kids
is the sensible answer to these Illegals.

[Ammi]

...’the sensible answer’ for these parents would not be to abandon their children, Arista...and they may be looking to cross a border illegally if that’s the only option they sadly have in their lives..?...but they are not ‘illegals’, they are human beings no different from you or I....

[arista]

...’the sensible answer’ for these parents would not be to abandon their children, Arista...and they may be looking to cross a border illegally if that’s the only option they sadly have in their lives..?...but they are not ‘illegals’, they are human beings no different from you or I....


Yes Humans from another
Nation Breaking
into USA
makes them Illegals


Law and Order Matter

[The Slim Reaper]

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Another dead kid but so what, ey Arista?

[Tom4784]

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Another dead kid but so what, ey Arista?

They aren't white children so no one cares.

[AnnieK]

Ammi
CNN HD has done of shows on the Child Deaths

And will you get this
NO Dirt was on those stones
in those photos , last night


Do not bring the kids
is the sensible answer to these Illegals.

Rubbish.....no dirt on stones? Get real Arista, they are on the ground, of course there will be dirt. Plus you make it out that sleeping on stones is somehow better - do you think those stones are made of cotton wool?

[arista]

Rubbish.....no dirt on stones? Get real Arista, they are on the ground, of course there will be dirt. Plus you make it out that sleeping on stones is somehow better - do you think those stones are made of cotton wool?


On the Photo they were White Small Stones
No Dirt there at all.

[arista]

1129014147541295104

Another dead kid but so what, ey Arista?


No Slim not so what
to that child's sad death.

[arista]

They aren't white children so no one cares.


They do care, All the border force work hard
no one wants another child dead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I suppose its like waking up and finding a large gypsy family sleeping in your garden and asking to live in your house

you would rightly say no as politely as possible and then probably call the police

[Tom4784]

They do care, All the border force work hard
no one wants another child dead.

In Obama's administration, you would get a handful of children at most seperated from their families or confined but there's hundreds in Trump's administration and so many child deaths are unheard of. There's a lack of care from the border force because they likely see children with brown skin as vermin, as less than human.

If they cared, this wouldn't be the latest in a line of dead children since December.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I There's a lack of care from the border force because they likely see children with brown skin as vermin, as less than human.

.

what a truly horrible and baseless accusation to make


:umm2:

[Tom4784]

Less pearl clutching, more coming up with an actual response.

[arista]

In Obama's administration, you would get a handful of children at most seperated from their families or confined but there's hundreds in Trump's administration and so many child deaths are unheard of. There's a lack of care from the border force because they likely see children with brown skin as vermin, as less than human.

If they cared, this wouldn't be the latest in a line of dead children since December.


Errors happen all over the world
I watched 2 recent Docu's from, the Border Staff
one on CNN HD very good staff
one on FoxBusinessNewsHD online very good staff.

Many staff were crying
on the interviews.
They work Very Hard , Dezzy

[The Slim Reaper]

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[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.wonkette.com/trump-now-gonna-straight-up-deport-seriously-ill-kids-because-he-can

Trump Kicking Sick Kids Out Of America Now, So They Can Die Elsewhere!

The Trump administration's war on immigrants has reached yet another of its logical conclusions. Not satisfied with seeking to deport people to likely death after doing all it can to eliminate asylum for people fleeing war and gangs, the administration is now marking immigrants -- KIDS -- with grave medical conditions for removal from the USA, regardless of whether they can receive life-saving treatment in their home countries. That's what Make America Great Again means now: send people to die. This isn't metaphorical, or a mere possibility. Thousands of people who have been legally staying in the US because they're being treated for serious illnesses are now being told they must leave voluntarily in 33 days or face deportation. Many of them will die, because they can't get the care they need in their home countries. It's not murder, mind you, because they'll still be alive when they're put on the plane here. Besides, some will probably live, those are just the odds.

National Public Radio obtained a copy of a form letter being sent to thousands of people who are currently allowed to stay in the US under the "medical deferred action" program. As NPR explains, the program

allows people to remain in the U.S. for two-year periods if they can prove extreme medical need. Many of the people affected by the policy change came to the U.S. through a visa or other permitted status and are requesting to stay beyond those terms to receive medical treatment.


Because some idiot always starts screaming about "illegals," we should point out yet again that this is a legal immigration program and the people covered by it are here legally, making them legal to be here, legally. In case anyone's confused.

The letter is chillingly direct: No, sorry, we're ending the program that kept you alive. The letter categorically denies the request for medical deferred action, noting that such protections are only available to military families now, and advises the reader that without the deferral, they're now an illegal alien.

The evidence of record shows that, when you submitted your request, you were present in the United States contrary to law. You are not authorized to remain in the United States. If you fail to depart the United States within 33 days of the date of this letter, USCIS may issue you a Notice to Appear and commence removal proceedings against you with the immigration court. This may result in your being removed from the United States and found ineligible for a future visa or other U.S. immigration benefit.

Go be sick somewhere else, please. If it's fatal, that's too bad. America is about winners now, not losers, and sick people are just depressing. Especially if they have accents.

As with much of the New Cruelty, the rationale seems to be that medical deferred action is a discretionary program, so the administration is free to end it at whim, because it wants to.

At a press conference in Boston yesterday, Ronnie Millar, executive director of the Irish International Immigrant Center, which has been helping patients in area navigate the deferral process, said, "Just when you think the administration can't sink any lower, it finds a new way to torture our immigrant children and families." Millar also noted that the families he works with "are all here receiving treatment that is unavailable in their home countries, and our government has issued them a death sentence."

The Boston Globe notes the policy change seems to have arrived out of nowhere:

Advocates, lawyers, doctors, and lawmakers said the blanket policy change was made without any consideration of the potentially disastrous health affects it will have on children and adults battling HIV, muscular dystrophy, epilepsy, leukemia, and other diseases.

The Globe details how one child, 7-year-old Joaquim Norville from Guyana, will be affected when deferred action expires next March for him and his mother, Shonell.

They came on a tourist visa in August 2016 to visit Joaquim's grandparents, who are US citizens, and were visiting Franklin Park Zoo when Joaquim fell ill and was diagnosed with epilepsy, Shonell Norville said. Since then, Joaquim has had major problems. His lungs collapsed when he had a seizure, requiring doctors to perform a tracheotomy. He also developed an infection in his colon, requiring the removal of his large intestine and the use of a colostomy bag.

Joaquim currently receives regular care at Boston Medical Center and Boston Children's Hospital to control his seizures, and Shonell Norville said she fears for his life if he is sent back to Guyana, one of South America's poorest countries.

"I tell people, I feel like I'm signing my son's death warrant," she said, adding that she fought to stay in Boston "to save him — now, just to be pushed out. How do you comprehend that?"

Somehow, we're supposed to believe sending a seven-year-old to Guyana to die is good for America. Maybe Stephen Miller could explain it. Maybe it will free up services for American-born poor people, who also don't deserve treatment they can't afford and should just hurry up and die.

NPR's story on the policy change details the case of Jonathan Sanchez, from Honduras, who has the uncurable (but treatable) lung disease cystic fibrosis.

[Tom4784]

So many people in this administration will face justice for human rights abuse once the orange moron's been kicked out of office.

[Alf]

Robert Thompson and Jon Venables were just children, have a heart.

[The Slim Reaper]

Ted Bundy was a man, let's execute all men.

Easy stuff, this.

[Alf]

Ted Bundy was a man, let's execute all men.

Easy stuff, this.That seems like an angry reply, what do you mean by it?

What I said was to the first page of this thread, we're Arista was explaining that they're illegal, and everybody else was saying, "but they're just children, have a heart"

[The Slim Reaper]

That seems like an angry reply, what do you mean by it.

What I said was to the first page of this thread, we're Arista was explaining that they're illegal, and everybody else was saying, "but they're just children, have a heart"

It's never angry. You were equating venables and thompson with the children locked in cages and the folly of showing compassion, so I just did the same with us menfolk.

[Alf]

It's never angry. You were equating venables and thompson with the children locked in cages and the folly of showing compassion, so I just did the same with us menfolk.No, I was just likening to criminal children.

If I entered a country illegally, I'd be a criminal, same goes for children.

[The Slim Reaper]

No, I was just likening to criminal children.

If I entered a country illegally, I'd be a criminal, same goes for children.

An apt comparison; 2 kids abduct an even smaller kid, viciously attack him in both physical and sexual ways before murdering him, and they are the same as children and families fleeing war and gangs that would actually result in them ending up closer to Bulger than the other two.

I don't accept that you don't know the difference. I know you have a smidgeon of compassion in there somewhere.

[Twosugars]

No, I was just likening to criminal children.

If I entered a country illegally, I'd be a criminal, same goes for children.

The absurd lengths you go to, wow...

[Ammi]

https://www.wonkette.com/trump-now-gonna-straight-up-deport-seriously-ill-kids-because-he-can

Trump Kicking Sick Kids Out Of America Now, So They Can Die Elsewhere!

The Trump administration's war on immigrants has reached yet another of its logical conclusions. Not satisfied with seeking to deport people to likely death after doing all it can to eliminate asylum for people fleeing war and gangs, the administration is now marking immigrants -- KIDS -- with grave medical conditions for removal from the USA, regardless of whether they can receive life-saving treatment in their home countries. That's what Make America Great Again means now: send people to die. This isn't metaphorical, or a mere possibility. Thousands of people who have been legally staying in the US because they're being treated for serious illnesses are now being told they must leave voluntarily in 33 days or face deportation. Many of them will die, because they can't get the care they need in their home countries. It's not murder, mind you, because they'll still be alive when they're put on the plane here. Besides, some will probably live, those are just the odds.

National Public Radio obtained a copy of a form letter being sent to thousands of people who are currently allowed to stay in the US under the "medical deferred action" program. As NPR explains, the program



Because some idiot always starts screaming about "illegals," we should point out yet again that this is a legal immigration program and the people covered by it are here legally, making them legal to be here, legally. In case anyone's confused.

The letter is chillingly direct: No, sorry, we're ending the program that kept you alive. The letter categorically denies the request for medical deferred action, noting that such protections are only available to military families now, and advises the reader that without the deferral, they're now an illegal alien.



Go be sick somewhere else, please. If it's fatal, that's too bad. America is about winners now, not losers, and sick people are just depressing. Especially if they have accents.

As with much of the New Cruelty, the rationale seems to be that medical deferred action is a discretionary program, so the administration is free to end it at whim, because it wants to.

At a press conference in Boston yesterday, Ronnie Millar, executive director of the Irish International Immigrant Center, which has been helping patients in area navigate the deferral process, said, "Just when you think the administration can't sink any lower, it finds a new way to torture our immigrant children and families." Millar also noted that the families he works with "are all here receiving treatment that is unavailable in their home countries, and our government has issued them a death sentence."

The Boston Globe notes the policy change seems to have arrived out of nowhere:



The Globe details how one child, 7-year-old Joaquim Norville from Guyana, will be affected when deferred action expires next March for him and his mother, Shonell.



Somehow, we're supposed to believe sending a seven-year-old to Guyana to die is good for America. Maybe Stephen Miller could explain it. Maybe it will free up services for American-born poor people, who also don't deserve treatment they can't afford and should just hurry up and die.

NPR's story on the policy change details the case of Jonathan Sanchez, from Honduras, who has the uncurable (but treatable) lung disease cystic fibrosis.



...that last paragraph is so saddening...

‘And somewhere on Twitter, some MAGA idiot explained America is for Americans, so this is simply what needs to happen to people who have no rights that we're obliged to recognize. It's the refrain of the American Nativist, going back forever. Let 'em die, they're not our problem. And no, that's not hypocrisy for "pro-lifers," because we're not actively killing anyone, you see?’


...it used to be that more sophisticated medical care and treatment in the USA was offered to some people..(...children especially...)...from other countries where the advancement just isn’t there ...giving some child a chance at life...?...but now it’s becoming an entirely different world...a world which will never and could never be great because dehumanising of children from other countries is just too easy...:sad:..

[Twosugars]

This is the last racist president, the demographics will take of that

[Tom4784]

No, I was just likening to criminal children.

If I entered a country illegally, I'd be a criminal, same goes for children.

People used to demonise children with similar arguments to yours to defend segregation.

It's easy to be rationalise human rights abuse if you don't consider the abused to be human, I guess.

[AnnieK]

Children immigrants should never be likened to criminals.....its so heart breakingly sad the stuff slim has posted. And then to liken those kids to two murderous warped kids is just rubbing salt in the wounds.

[Kizzy]

People used to demonise children with similar arguments to yours to defend segregation.

It's easy to be rationalise human rights abuse if you don't consider the abused to be human, I guess.

This!
How do people not feel themselves being conditioned? Desensitised?

[Alf]

Children immigrants should never be likened to criminals.....its so heart breakingly sad the stuff slim has posted. And then to liken those kids to two murderous warped kids is just rubbing salt in the wounds.You missed out the word "illegal" after children and before immigrants.

[Tom4784]

You missed out the word "illegal" after children and before immigrants.

Go back to a few years before WW2 and you'd hear conditioned germans saying similar things about Jews. You have been conditioned completely.

You don't see children forced to drink out of toilets or being abused by guards, you see 'criminals' that deserve what they get and that says everything anybody needs to know about you.

[Alf]

Go back to a few years before WW2 and you'd hear conditioned germans saying similar things about Jews. You have been conditioned completely.

You don't see children forced to drink out of toilets or being abused by guards, you see 'criminals' that deserve what they get and that says everything anybody needs to know about you.Lovely.

[Marsh.]

If they want to sleep outdoors, it'd be warmer to do so on the Southern side of the border tbf

:facepalm:

[Marsh.]

Imagine thinking another human being is a burglar because they break into a house which isn't there and take other people's belongings.

This is one of the worst so-called analogies I've ever seen. :umm2:

[Ammi]

https://www.wonkette.com/trump-now-gonna-straight-up-deport-seriously-ill-kids-because-he-can

Trump Kicking Sick Kids Out Of America Now, So They Can Die Elsewhere!

The Trump administration's war on immigrants has reached yet another of its logical conclusions. Not satisfied with seeking to deport people to likely death after doing all it can to eliminate asylum for people fleeing war and gangs, the administration is now marking immigrants -- KIDS -- with grave medical conditions for removal from the USA, regardless of whether they can receive life-saving treatment in their home countries. That's what Make America Great Again means now: send people to die. This isn't metaphorical, or a mere possibility. Thousands of people who have been legally staying in the US because they're being treated for serious illnesses are now being told they must leave voluntarily in 33 days or face deportation. Many of them will die, because they can't get the care they need in their home countries. It's not murder, mind you, because they'll still be alive when they're put on the plane here. Besides, some will probably live, those are just the odds.

National Public Radio obtained a copy of a form letter being sent to thousands of people who are currently allowed to stay in the US under the "medical deferred action" program. As NPR explains, the program



Because some idiot always starts screaming about "illegals," we should point out yet again that this is a legal immigration program and the people covered by it are here legally, making them legal to be here, legally. In case anyone's confused.

The letter is chillingly direct: No, sorry, we're ending the program that kept you alive. The letter categorically denies the request for medical deferred action, noting that such protections are only available to military families now, and advises the reader that without the deferral, they're now an illegal alien.



Go be sick somewhere else, please. If it's fatal, that's too bad. America is about winners now, not losers, and sick people are just depressing. Especially if they have accents.

As with much of the New Cruelty, the rationale seems to be that medical deferred action is a discretionary program, so the administration is free to end it at whim, because it wants to.

At a press conference in Boston yesterday, Ronnie Millar, executive director of the Irish International Immigrant Center, which has been helping patients in area navigate the deferral process, said, "Just when you think the administration can't sink any lower, it finds a new way to torture our immigrant children and families." Millar also noted that the families he works with "are all here receiving treatment that is unavailable in their home countries, and our government has issued them a death sentence."

The Boston Globe notes the policy change seems to have arrived out of nowhere:



The Globe details how one child, 7-year-old Joaquim Norville from Guyana, will be affected when deferred action expires next March for him and his mother, Shonell.



Somehow, we're supposed to believe sending a seven-year-old to Guyana to die is good for America. Maybe Stephen Miller could explain it. Maybe it will free up services for American-born poor people, who also don't deserve treatment they can't afford and should just hurry up and die.

NPR's story on the policy change details the case of Jonathan Sanchez, from Honduras, who has the uncurable (but treatable) lung disease cystic fibrosis.



...just going back to Slim’s post...these are children who have been legally granted to stay in residency because they’re being treated for serious illnesses...the program which has allowed this is now being ended under the Trump administration and a very limited time is being given to leave or ‘become an illegal’ and face deportation...obviously it's not killing the children as such because the odds say that some may survive without the medication their bodies have needed...?...these are the odds being played with children’s lives...would we think that was fine with our own children...


...’illegal’ is just an enabler...whether it be depriving life preserving medication or accepting conditions of children drinking from toilet bowls...’illegal’ enables to not fully face the horrific reality that these are human beings...and in this case they’re children...it enables the dehumanisation of/..the acceptance of/...and even the justification of etc...a very sad world that we’ve been stepping into and continue to do so...:sad:...

[Beso]

Wouldn't these kids be sleeping outside on the ground every night as they travelled to the USA.

[Beso]

Wouldn't these kids be sleeping outside on the ground every night as they travelled to the USA.

I'm not seeing the outrage about thier parents allowing them to do that:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not seeing the outrage about thier parents allowing them to do that:shrug:

Where's the outrage at parents letting their kids go on camping trips, too? C'mon parm, I'm with you brother.

Phoebe and George from highgate hill would pay thousands to sleep in cages abroad, so trump should start charging these dirty south americans for their glamping experience.