USA : Alabama senate passes a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/alabama-senate-passes-a-near-total-abortion-ban-with-no-exceptions-for-rape-or-incest-11720374


One state
best to leave the state to have a legal abortion
Like many in Northern Ireland do
pop over to Liverpool



[Alabama senate passes a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest
The bill approved by state senators is the strictest anti-abortion measure to be approved since abortion was legalised in the US.]

[Niamh.]

It's backwards we're going

[The Slim Reaper]

https://news.sky.com/story/alabama-senate-passes-a-near-total-abortion-ban-with-no-exceptions-for-rape-or-incest-11720374


One state
best to leave the state to have a legal abortion
Like many in Northern Ireland do
pop over to Liverpool



[Alabama senate passes a near-total abortion ban with no exceptions for rape or incest
The bill approved by state senators is the strictest anti-abortion measure to be approved since abortion was legalised in the US.]

Not sure if Alabama is doing the same, but the Republicans in Georgia are also making it illegal to go and get one in another state.

It's barbaric and will lead to the deaths of great numbers of women who will be forced to get back street abortions.

Is there really nothing you won't defend if it has Trumps name on it, Arista?

[The Slim Reaper]

6n-SgCndBWE

[GiRTh]

Watching it right now and frankly disgusted.

To try overturn Rowe V Wade would be the ugliest of ugly fights. What is Donny up to?

[arista]

It's backwards we're going


Sure and
in our Norther Ireland

[Matthew.]

Wish anti-abortion politicians would just... not get an abortion, instead of doing selfish things like this, and endangering the lives of everyone else. All the Republicans that voted for this cruel law were men, funnily enough :bored:

[Ammi]

...31 males in the Senate and 4 females...


...’when God created life inside a woman’s womb..’’....I just can’t believe the words I’m reading...

[Kate!]

Disgraceful.

[Liam-]

Religion has no place in running a country and creating laws, America is becoming no better that the Middle Eastern countries they condemn

[Twosugars]

Religion has no place in running a country and creating laws, America is becoming no better that the Middle Eastern countries they condemn
very true
and like in the middle east, religion in america is dominated by hardliners like evangelicals etc

[Cherie]

This is The Handmaids Tale becoming reality

[arista]

This is The Handmaids Tale becoming reality


No it is not

Nothing like the Horror in that TV series
on Ch4HD

They can go to another state
to get a legal abortion

[Cherie]

6n-SgCndBWE

just wow, so a man can basically do what he wants then :shrug:

[Cherie]

No it is not

Nothing like the Horror in that TV series
on Ch4HD

They can go to another state
to get a legal abortion

Why should they have to do that? and who is punishing the men?

[arista]

Religion has no place in running a country and creating laws, America is becoming no better that the Middle Eastern countries they condemn


Yes in America they love their bible
in some states

[The Slim Reaper]

just wow, so a man can basically do what he wants then :shrug:

In Georgia, the new law that republican white men are pushing through would result in 99 yrs in prison for a women found guilty of having an abortion.

[arista]

Why should they have to do that? and who is punishing the men?


We have the SAME
Northern Ireland Women
get on a boat to Liverpool


Blame YOUR Bible

[Cherie]

We have the SAME
Northern Ireland Women
get on a boat to Liverpool


Blame YOUR Bible

That is not quite the same, as it was never legal in NI, this would be like the England making it illegal after it being legal for decades :idc: Why only the woman getting punished, what if the man wants her to abort, what happens to him?

[arista]

That is not quite the same, as it was never legal in NI, this would be like the England making it illegal after it being legal for decades :idc: Why only the woman getting punished, what if the man wants her to abort, what happens to him?



Its is the Same
Both Nations run by the Bible Rules

[Liam-]

This is the perfect example of why all religion needs to be abolished

[arista]

This is the perfect example of why all religion needs to be abolished


That will never happen
unless there is a WW3

[The Slim Reaper]

That will never happen
unless there is a WW3

I remember when you used to talk **** about religion, now you are using it to justify things you never would have done in the past.

[Oliver_W]

It's backwards we're going

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[Jason.]

Bible Belt America is no less backwards than the 'shithole' Islamic countries they enemy. The only difference is a white package with a cross.

[Niamh.]

This is The Handmaids Tale becoming realityThe scariest thing about that show is it's not even thay much of a stretch to imagining that kind of thing happening

[Niamh.]

https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/Yoda-Retina_2a7ecc26.jpeg?region=0%2C0%2C1536%2C864&width=960I'm Irish, we talk like Yoda here :oh:

[Mitchell]

Vile

[Livia]

Passed by a majority of.... 25 white males. Disgusting.

[Scarlett.]

Crazy that the self proclaimed 'land of the free' like restricting personal freedoms.

[Mokka]

I just... I have no words ...

[Tom4784]

They are disregarding the supreme court's ruling and it's insane. I've never seen anything like it.

A total boycott of Ohio, Georgia and Alabama needs to happen. No tourism, no money from hollywood productions, nothing. Let them bleed money for their barbarity.

[bots]

crazy

[Josy]

Its a disgusting backwards decision, wtf are they thinking!

[arista]

Its a disgusting backwards decision, wtf are they thinking!


Their Bible's Way.
Like in Northern Ireland

[bots]

Trump has been pandering to the bible belt for votes which has enabled them, and this is the result.

[AnnieK]

I have no words for this, other than disgraceful.

[Nick.]

They are disregarding the supreme court's ruling and it's insane. I've never seen anything like it.

A total boycott of Ohio, Georgia and Alabama needs to happen. No tourism, no money from hollywood productions, nothing. Let them bleed money for their barbarity.

BIB: I mean there's not really much to boycott in Alabama is there?

[arista]

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[Niamh.]

Their Bible's Way.
Like in Northern Ireland

The difference here is, Alabama are taking a step backwards where as NI just haven't taken the step forward yet and I'm confident they will. There's a massive difference between the two

[Vicky.]

****ing horrific.

Pro-lifers are dickheads, if you don't like abortion, don't have one.

I was arguing with a MRA about abortion a few weeks back. He was all 'women are evil, using it as contraception' etc..obviiusly wanted it banned. BUT, when I asked how people would support these kids they don't want, he started banging on about how fathers (as its usually fathers who **** off for whatever reason) should definitely not be made to pay for their childrens upbringing.

He was going on about how if the father didn't want a child and the mother did, then the man should be able to force the woman to get an abortion...yet, still making out his opinion was for the sake of the kids..rather than just wanting men to be able to do what tey want with no consequences. So men can make someone have an abourtion , however, if the woman wants one, shes wrong and should be denied.

So, he is not pro-life at all, he simply wants to control womens bodies, while having a getout clause for when the woman is forced to have a baby, as god forbid the bloke has to do anything. Horrible and sexist to ask him to support his child (and yes, the other way too, in the rare cases where mothers refuse to pay maintenence..)

The actual prolifers (rather than MRAs posing as them) never ever have an answer when you ask where are all these unwanted kids going to go.

[Niamh.]

****ing horrific.

Pro-lifers are dickheads, if you don't like abortion, don't have one.

I was arguing with a MRA about abortion a few weeks back. He was all 'women are evil, using it as contraception' etc..obviiusly wanted it banned. BUT, when I asked how people would support these kids they don't want, he started banging on about how fathers (as its usually fathers who **** off for whatever reason) should definitely not be made to pay for their childrens upbringing.

He also was goin on about how if the father didn't want a child and the mother did, then the man should bt able to force the woman to get an abortion...

So, he is not pro-life at all, he simply wants to control womens bodies, while having a getout clause for when the woman is forced to have a baby, as god forbid the bloke has to do anything. Horrible and sexist to ask him to support his child (and yes, the other way too, in the rare cases where mothers refuse to pay maintenence..)

The actual prolifers (rather than MRAs posing as them) never ever have an answer when you ask where are all these unwanted kids going to go.

Yep and if these men don't want to pay for a child/or have their child aborted, why aren't they using condoms to prevent that happening, it's so much easier than any other form of contraception? :think:

*yes I realise condoms can break but the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are due to unprotected sex

[Liam-]

That’s unfortunately a very common theme, pro-lifers only care about kids when they’re in the womb, but as soon as their born, they’re on their own.
While they’re making abortions illegal they’re also cutting funding that helps people who need help to raise their kids, even cutting social programmes that protect kids from bad situations, they couldn’t give a toss whether the kid is going to live their life in an abusive household, or a poor one where they’re going to starve, or they’re going to live their life suffering from incurable diseases/deformities, they don’t care about the sanctity or the quality of life, as long as women do what the dinosaur men say to do, it’s disgusting.
Land of the free eh?

[Niamh.]

That’s unfortunately a very common theme, pro-lifers only care about kids when they’re in the womb, but as soon as their born, they’re on their own.
While they’re making abortions illegal they’re also cutting funding that helps people who need help to raise their kids, even cutting social programmes that protect kids from bad situations, they couldn’t give a toss whether the kid is going to live their life in an abusive household, or a poor one where they’re going to starve, or they’re going to live their life suffering from incurable diseases/deformities, they don’t care about the sanctity or the quality of life, as long as women do what the dinosaur men say to do, it’s disgusting.
Land of the free eh?

As you probably know we had our abortion referendum here last year, thankfully most people I spoke to about it were pro choice but those who weren't (all men funnily enough) were people who I know for a fact has no idea what it takes to raise a child (and I'm not saying they weren't parents, they were just misogynistic men who had minimal involvement in the raising of their own kids cos that's a mothers job, right?)

[Liam-]

As you probably know we had our abortion referendum here last year, thankfully most people I spoke to about it were pro choice but those who weren't (all men funnily enough) were people who I know for a fact has no idea what it takes to raise a child (and I'm not saying they weren't parents, they were just misogynistic men who had minimal involvement in the raising of their own kids cos that's a mothers job, right?)

Imagine having that sort of attitude in 2019 :idc:

I think I heard something about these states wanting to ban contraception as well, so they essentially want to Inpregnate whoever they want and force them to raise their babies on their own if they want nothing to do with it.

What I find funny is, I wonder how many of the people who put this law into power have had their marriages saved by getting their mistresses to have abortions.

Religion in power is dangerous, people shouldn’t have the power to make people of a different, or no religion, follow their religion by law, it’s dictatorship at the core.

[Niamh.]

Imagine having that sort of attitude in 2019 :idc:

I think I heard something about these states wanting to ban contraception as well, so they essentially want to Inpregnate whoever they want and force them to raise their babies on their own if they want nothing to do with it.

What I find funny is, I wonder how many of the people who put this law into power have had their marriages saved by getting their mistresses to have abortions.

Religion in power is dangerous, people shouldn’t have the power to make people of a different, or no religion, follow their religion by law, it’s dictatorship at the core.

Forcing women to have babies they don't want, stops them from educating themselves and progressing in life, it keeps them back down the pecking order were they belong............ under his eye

[Vicky.]

I don't get why its meant to be expected that women don't have control of their own bodies tbh. As I said, if you don't like abortion, simply don't have one. Taking the choice away from others is wrong.

Also I think a lot of people don't realise how dangerous pregnancy actually is..just because we are fairly advanced so deaths and such have gone down does not negate the fact that this is sentencing a fair few women to death (and others to injries too..that last forever), for the crime of having sex and being female..

And yup, pro lifers care nothing about the kids once they are out, so its obviously about actually about caring about kids, its all about control.

[The Slim Reaper]

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Georgia has also banned abortion and how long do you think it will take for those other hick places to do the same?

Serious questions that I'd like you to answer

Do you think banning abortion is the right thing to do?
Should women have to travel across state lines to receive healthcare?
Is banning abortion on religious not scientific grounds ok with you?

[Liam-]

I’ll never understand why women back things like this, how can they be happy having a bunch of prehistoric men telling them what they can and can’t do with their bodies? The mind boggles

[Niamh.]

I’ll never understand why women back things like this, how can they be happy having a bunch of prehistoric men telling them what they can and can’t do with their bodies? The mind boggles

Religion and lack of education is my guess

[Vicky.]

Yeah I do find it odd when women agree with this kind of stuff. But, if its never affected them they won't know. They are happy giving away their rights at the moment, but when it bites them on the arse later down the line, then they will see.

[Liam-]

I wonder how all of these backwards states would react if they were told they couldn’t have guns, they wouldn’t like their freedom being taken away would they?

[The Slim Reaper]

I’ll never understand why women back things like this, how can they be happy having a bunch of prehistoric men telling them what they can and can’t do with their bodies? The mind boggles

Never underestimate the religiosity of the US. The VP, Mike Pence, won't even attend a dinner with another woman if his wife isn't present.

[Liam-]

Never underestimate the religiosity of the US. The VP, Mike Pence, won't even attend a dinner with another woman if his wife isn't present.

Isn’t that more to cover his own back so he doesn’t get any form of accusation thrown at him, like a contingency plan, that’s always been my thought on that anyway :laugh:

[arista]

Its the Rule of their Bible

[Liam-]

Its the Rule of their Bible

:yuk:

A lot of people in America don’t follow that bible, so why should they be forced to live by it? It’s the beginning of a dictatorship, how can you not see the problem with it?

[Niamh.]

Its the Rule of their Bible

Their bible should have **** all to do with laws of the land and oppression of women and rights over their own bodies

[The Slim Reaper]

Its the Rule of their Bible

So you support Muslims killing us because there is some text in the Quran about it?

[Vicky.]

Its the Rule of their Bible

The bible also forbids people from eating pork and masturbating and says we cannot wear polyester socks..along with many other strange things :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I find it quite disgusting though, that this decision was not even made by women..apparently it was 25 men who voted on it. Surely at the very least it should be those who it will actually affect that decide..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/14/alabama-abortion-ban-white-men-republicans

All ****ing men.

[Liam-]

Doesn’t the bible also condone the stoning of adulterous wives? That sounds like something these men would want made legal tbh

[bots]

The sad fact is that this is the tip of the iceberg in those states. They have always been bad, everyone has known about it since forever. With Trump in power and a VP that actively supports this stuff it's going to get a lot worse. They better vote sensibly at the next election.

[Liam-]

They’ll be criminalising homosexuality before long

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is no surprise as if you are a Bible believing NT Christian then Life begins at conception, and ending that life is an act of murder.

The Bible is clear about this

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Why Should We Value Life?

"Know that the LORD Himself is God; it is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; we are His people and the sheep of His pasture" (Psalm 100:3, NASV).

"Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the One who formed you from the womb, ‘I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone . . .'" (Isaiah 44:24, NASV).

"But now, O LORD, Thou art our Father, we are the clay, and Thou our potter; and all of us are the work of Thy hand" (Isaiah 64:8, NASV).

Who Is the Creator of the Preborn?

"For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; marvelous are Your works and that my soul knows well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed, and in Your book they all were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them" (Psalm 139:13-16, NKJV).

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:5, NIV).

How Is God Concerned With the Preborn?

But when He who had set me apart before I was born, and had called me through His grace . . ." (Galatians 1:15, RSV).

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ for giving us through Christ every possible spiritual benefit as citizens of heaven! For consider what he has done—before the foundation of the world He chose us to become, in Christ, His holy and blameless children living within His constant care" (Ephesians 1:3-4, PME).

Are the Preborn Human Beings?

"When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit…[saying] ‘As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy'" (Luke 1:41, 44, NIV).

The Lord Jesus Christ began his incarnation as an embryo, growing into a fetus, infant, child, teenager, and adult: "While they were there, the time came for the baby to born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son" (Luke 2:6-7, NIV).

Who Is Responsible for Life and Death?

Then God spoke all these words, saying . . . 'You shall not murder'" (Exodus 20:1, 13, NASV).

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live" (Deuteronomy 30:19, KJV).

Are Humans Permitted to Take Life Before Birth?

"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise" (Exodus 21:22-25, NIV).

Should a Child Conceived as a Result of Rape or Incest Be Aborted?

"Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin" (Deuteronomy 24:16, NKJV).

Should a Child Who Might Be Born Deformed or Disabled Be Aborted?

"So the LORD said to him, 'Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes the mute, the deaf, the seeing, or the blind? Have not I, the LORD?'" (Exodus 4:11, NKJV).

"Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands?' Woe to him who says to his father, 'What have you begotten?' or to his mother, 'What have you brought to birth?' This is what the LORD says—the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker: Concerning things to come, do you question Me about My children, or give Me orders about the work of My hands?" (Isaiah 45:9-11, NIV).

"Yet, to shame the wise, God has chosen what the world counts folly, and to shame what is strong, God has chosen what the world counts weakness" (1 Corinthians 1:27, NIV).

How Should A Woman View Her Body and the Preborn Life Growing in Her Womb?

"Behold, children are a gift of the LORD; the fruit of the womb is a reward" (Psalm 127:3, NASV).

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body" (1 Corinthians 6:19-20, NKJV).

Does God Forgive Those Who Have Had Abortions?

"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace . . ." (Ephesians 1:7, NKJV).

"I, even I, am the one who wipes out your transgressions for My own sake; and I will not remember your sins" (Isaiah 43:25, NASV).

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/lifechallenges/love-and-sex/abortion/what-the-bible-says-about-the-beginning-of-life

This is what people in the USA believe and live their lives by.

[Vicky.]

Next to all of the people who are massively pro life..also are against anything to help those kids after they are born. once they are out of the womb who cares, because it is nothing but trying to control women.

Apparently the Republican politicians who voted for this are the very same people who vote against expanded healthcare for low income communities, food stamps, public education, free college..and so on. Which sounds about right tbh. Force women to have babies they don't want, then make life as hard as possible for them afterwards. Gross.

[Twosugars]

Next to none of the people who are massively pro life..also are against anything to help those kids after they are born. once they are out of the womb who cares, because it is nothing but trying to control women.

Apparently the Republican politicians who voted for this are the very same people who vote against expanded healthcare for low income communities, food stamps, public education, free college..and so on. Which sounds about right tbh. Force women to have babies they don't want, then make life as hard as possible for them afterwards. Gross.

That's right wing for you

[Vicky.]

That's right wing for you

Yeah, seems to be extreme over there. What we call right wing..would probably be classed as left when compared to America.

[The Slim Reaper]

One of the senators who voted for this law is an OBGYN who has a history of patients (mothers and babies) dying on him, so the first thing he did when he was elected was to try and repeal all the laws that were the reasons for him being investigated.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yeah, seems to be extreme over there. What we call right wing..would probably be classed as left when compared to America.

Not so much anymore; this forum is an example of that. A few years ago no one would have proudly likened refugees to trash, or any of the myriad of racist things we read on here these days.

People aren't shamed into silence in the way they used to be, which is why we get threads letting us know we can vote for Tommy Robinson.

[Matthew.]

Can’t find it anymore but I saw a tweet yesterday with a picture of all the guys that voted for this law being put into place with the caption “Not one uterus yet 25 massive cunts” :skull:

[arista]

Not so much anymore; this forum is an example of that. A few years ago no one would have proudly likened refugees to trash, or any of the myriad of racist things we read on here these days.

People aren't shamed into silence in the way they used to be, which is why we get threads letting us know we can vote for Tommy Robinson.


Yes I made a thread on Tommy
But I do not him support him in any way
you are a Fool to think I do.

[Matthew.]

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[Kazanne]

We have the SAME
Northern Ireland Women
get on a boat to Liverpool


Blame YOUR Bible

No arista the bible is not to blame, those using religion as an excuse to get their own way are to blame,humans misusing to suit their own agendas again. To not be allowed an abortion through rape and incest is disgusting.

[arista]

No arista the bible is not to blame, those using religion as an excuse to get their own way are to blame,humans misusing to suit their own agendas again. To not be allowed an abortion through rape and incest is disgusting.


Yes that's fair

[Tom4784]

It's a mix of both, the bible was a book written by Romans to sanitise the Roman empire and to control the people in it's territories. It's a product of it's time and a lot of what it offers is barbaric and offers no value to today's world. People today use both it and a fan fiction version of Jesus to justify their hatred but the book itself does peddle division and hatred itself in parts.

If the bible was written today, it would be completely different.

[Twosugars]

Not so much anymore; this forum is an example of that. A few years ago no one would have proudly likened refugees to trash, or any of the myriad of racist things we read on here these days.

People aren't shamed into silence in the way they used to be, which is why we get threads letting us know we can vote for Tommy Robinson.

Very true