Do you think the UK Police could have done more here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

A Muslim gang attack a European Election rally in Oldham - I am astounded at the apathy of the police who seem to watch them hurl rocks etc?

Whether you like TR or not he is democratically standing in a UK election and should be able to campaign like everyone else.

Do you think that our police could do more here and why did they not is the debate?

QBgecf-rh8w

[Beso]

Absolutely disgracefully. ..firstly hurling bricks at kids....these people need locked up for a long time..

Secondly the police seemingly doing nothing and having no control....well I guess that's par for the area.


****ing disgrace all round....if this was may or corbyn armed police and mounted officers would have been brought in.

[Nicky91]

:bored:

[user104658]

They have to balance the risks when assessing what to do. A few officers can't tackle 10 people throwing rocks and would need to call in shielded riot police. Calling in shielded riot police is likely to turn 10 people throwing rocks into a full-scale riot.

I find that the police generally have a good handle on things in terms of proceeding in a way that will result in the least possible damage caused. The idea that the police going in fast and hard to "sort it out" will result in order being restored swiftly is extremely naive.

[Beso]

They have to balance the risks when assessing what to do. A few officers can't tackle 10 people throwing rocks and would need to call in shielded riot police. Calling in shielded riot police is likely to turn 10 people throwing rocks into a full-scale riot.

I find that the police generally have a good handle on terms of proceeding in a way that will result in the least possible damage caused. The idea that the police going in fast and hard to "sort it out" will result in order being restored swiftly is extremely naive.




Well worth the risk to protect a toddler being killed by flying rocks don't you think?

[user104658]

Well worth the risk to protect a toddler being killed by flying rocks don't you think?

Parm the point is that it risks escalating the violence into a full riot where a lot MORE innocent people (including kids) end up getting hurt.

Personally, I think any parent who takes their kids to a Tommy Robinson event is being flat out negligent with their safety in the first place. A political rally is not a day out for your toddler, take them to the park FFS :facepalm:

[user104658]

Also... "Peaceful family events where people have brought their children" ... ... :think:

http://i64.tinypic.com/dfwx06.jpg

:joker: Good to see that Tommy is inclusive of all family types, and is so accepting of families made up almost entirely of burly middle aged blokes. I mean really! It's like an episode of Brass Eye!

[Crimson Dynamo]

the MSM called the attackers "counter-demonstraters" even though they were bussed in thugs from miles away and this was not a demonstration :shrug:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/19/00/13664084-7044883-Former_EDL_leader_Stephen_Yaxley_Lennon_aka_Tommy_ Robinson_conti-a-6_1558220901049.jpg

[user104658]

the MSM called the attackers "counter-demonstraters" even though they were bussed in thugs from miles away and this was not a demonstration :shrug:

LT if you put your picture next to the screenshot I took of the initial "family event" it becomes abundantly clear that this is a example of gang violence, and if you watch the video past the 1/4 way in mark it becomes clear that Tommy's event is a demonstration as he's riling up the crowd and shouting propaganda throughout.

It's a gang clash that some people were stupid enough to bring their kids into the middle of... and were encouraged to bring their kids to BY Tommy Robinson & co describing it as a "family event" knowing full well that it is not one. But having kids there generates a shocking image that he can use as further propaganda and to incite more clashes.

I think Tommy Robinson is a lot of things but I don't think he's an idiot, so the suggestion that he wasn't well aware of the likely outcome of these events is just ridiculous. Should these gangs exist? Should people be throwing rocks for any reason? Obviously not, but Tommy is actively ENCOURAGING people to bring their families into the middle of a hugely divisive political clash so that he can film it for YouTube ... and that is frankly ****ing unreal.

[thesheriff443]

Any one thats covering there faces on both sides are scum in my opinion.

[Beso]

Parm the point is that it risks escalating the violence into a full riot where a lot MORE innocent people (including kids) end up getting hurt.

Personally, I think any parent who takes their kids to a Tommy Robinson event is being flat out negligent with their safety in the first place. A political rally is not a day out for your toddler, take them to the park FFS :facepalm:

In this current climate of stabbings in parks and thinking back to the manchester arena attacks is anywhere safe to take your children?

[Ammi]

...is this not all part of his campaign...it looks quite set up to me...there were people up close when some things were being thrown but they seemed to be thrown in another direction...away from the crowd and into empty spaces..?...and the faces being covered, was that because this is all set up..hmmmm, just something doesn’t seem right with it ...

[bots]

you can bet that the police will have those involved under surveillance. I agree that democracy should be allowed to work, but TR is not an example of democracy in action. He is a divisive hate monger. He incites violence. Not saying the other bunch are any better, they are not .... but the police are best to pick these people off one by one outside of the confrontation.

[arista]

They need to photograph/video

everyone

[user104658]

In this current climate of stabbings in parks and thinking back to the manchester arena attacks is anywhere safe to take your children?

Nowhere in the world has ever been 100% safe but yes, a playpark in broad daylight is obviously a much safer place for a child than a Tommy Robinson rally. I find it genuinely bewildering that any parent would think that's an appropriate day out for a child. Utter madness.

[bots]

Nowhere in the world has ever been 100% safe but yes, a playpark in broad daylight is obviously a much safer place for a child than a Tommy Robinson rally. I find it genuinely bewildering that any parent would think that's an appropriate day out for a child. Utter madness.

it's one step down from the people that took their children to a "friendly" protest in the Lebanon. Same type of idiots involved.

[user104658]

...is this not all part of his campaign...it looks quite set up to me...there were people up close when some things were being thrown but they seemed to be thrown in another direction...away from the crowd and into empty spaces..?...and the faces being covered, was that because this is all set up..hmmmm, just something doesn’t seem right with it ...

It's a propaganda video through and through... it has an action movie soundtrack and ends with Nice Guy Tommy having a smiley chat with a kid :facepalm:.

It's not even that I disagree that the MSM under-reports on these things but boy would I love for there to be some sort of ACTUAL unbiased, objective report on what happened. All we get is MSM's "A rock and two Mars Bars were thrown", and a YouTube video emblazoned with "Vote Tommy Robinson" where he chats utter sh*te, interspersed with footage of him on a soap-box surrounded by drunk skinheads.

[Matthew.]

Nowhere in the world has ever been 100% safe but yes, a playpark in broad daylight is obviously a much safer place for a child than a Tommy Robinson rally. I find it genuinely bewildering that any parent would think that's an appropriate day out for a child. Utter madness.

:clap1:

[Ammi]

It's a propaganda video through and through... it has an action movie soundtrack and ends with Nice Guy Tommy having a smiley chat with a kid :facepalm:.

It's not even that I disagree that the MSM under-reports on these things but boy would I love for there to be some sort of ACTUAL unbiased, objective report on what happened. All we get is MSM's "A rock and two Mars Bars were thrown", and a YouTube video emblazoned with "Vote Tommy Robinson" where he chats utter sh*te, interspersed with footage of him on a soap-box surrounded by drunk skinheads.

...it just seems ‘set up’ also that it’s described specifically as a family, type rally with TR smiling lovingly at the children and shaking their hands etc...and then ‘movie style’ he’s bundling them in a car later and God speeding them to their safety away from nasty rock people...also when the rocks or bricks or whatever were thrown...?...if they were being thrown with purpose then why were they thrown into what seemed like an empty space at the side of the road...

[arista]

The Police are stuck in the middle


We need a TV News Video.


The BBC are no good sadly


This is making it all worse,

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Police are stuck in the middle


We need a TV News Video.


The BBC are no good sadly


This is making it all worse,

This is the problem Arista, main Stream TV news editors do not want to show muslim gangs throwing rocks at UK political campaigning, trying to shut down democracy in action.

The question is why not?

:shrug:

[user104658]

This is the problem Arista, main Stream TV news editors do not want to show muslim gangs throwing rocks at UK political campaigning, trying to shut down democracy in action.

The question is why not?

:shrug:

Because it incites further violence, is the most likely reasoning, especially when accompanied by propaganda.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not promoting anything, I'm just asking questions.

[Ammi]

...should the police be taking more action../...should the TV news channels be reporting more...?...it’s all very decisive and very toxic as it all feeds into the mindset of vigilantism and we as a general public must take action...and No one knows how much of these things are staged for that very reason and if it seemed that the police are ‘not doing enough’ ...that could be the reason....

[arista]

This is the problem Arista, main Stream TV news editors do not want to show muslim gangs throwing rocks at UK political campaigning, trying to shut down democracy in action.

The question is why not?

:shrug:

Dispatches Ch4HD
or BBC Panorama must do a Docu'
Show it after The Eu Election results on Sunday.


You would think this will be on BBC Politics Live
today 12:15PM
so long as they have their own BBC report.

[Denver]

I mean he reaps what he sows,

This is a man who when and through brinks through mosque windows and racially abused any Asian walking past him then cries when they fight back

[Nicky91]

I mean he reaps what he sows,

This is a man who when and through brinks through mosque windows and racially abused any Asian walking past him then cries when they fight back

pretty much sums up TR, but never forget (i mean how could we if its in every video from him) to vote Tommy

:notimpressed:

[Ammi]

...do you know of TR in Holland then, Nicky...?...He’s someone many of the Dutch are familiar with..?...

[arista]

pretty much sums up TR, but never forget (i mean how could we if its in every video from him) to vote Tommy

:notimpressed:


Covert Film it
for a TV news Docu.

[arista]

...do you know of TR in Holland then, Nicky...?...He’s someone many of the Dutch are familiar with..?...



They have that Right Wing blonde bloke

[Nicky91]

They have that Right Wing blonde bloke

Wilders, yeah i'm not into his views either, far too racist for my liking

[arista]

Wilders, yeah i'm not into his views either, far too racist for my liking



But like the UK , Germany , Austria and Italy
there are many that support Extreme Nationalism

[GiRTh]

...do you know of TR in Holland then, Nicky...?...He’s someone many of the Dutch are familiar with..?...I know Americans who know of Robinson. He's quite well known all over the world. Dont know why people think this guy is some kind of victim. He's clearly brilliant at self promotion.

[Nicky91]

I know Americans who know of Robinson. He's quite well known all over the world. Dont know why people think this guy is some kind of victim. He's clearly brilliant at self promotion.

the Trump of the UK :laugh:

[Ammi]

I know Americans who know of Robinson. He's quite well known all over the world. Dont know why people think this guy is some kind of victim. He's clearly brilliant at self promotion.

...I didn’t realise that and was interested that Nicky seems familiar with him...I thought he was just someone known within the U.K...actually outside of the forum, Girth...I don’t know that anyone I know would be familiar with him...

..yeah I agree, his vids to me look for staged and agenda driven and they’re very dangerous in their content of making him seem like a victim of something...

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thoughtful and thorough lady analyses the whole situation in Oldham and exposes quite a few myths and scandals

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[user104658]

This thoughtful and thorough lady analyses the whole situation in Oldham and exposes quite a few myths and scandals

pIQkxDoxRXk

But the constant claims in this video that they were "escorted there by the police" in this video, just like the Tommy video, are utter nonsense. Is the claim that they couldn't have walked there themselves if the police hadn't "lead" them there? :think:

Again - while walking there, they haven't yet broken any law, they're free to gather and walk to the rally if they want to. The police who are with them are obviously there to monitor the situation and keep the police on site informed via radio - they're not leading the crowd like the pied piper :facepalm:.

What are these videos suggesting that the police seen walking alongside the crowd were supposed to do at that point? "Now now chaps, let's turn around and go home shall we? Good lads..."

There's obviously nothing they can actually do within the law at that point so they're doing the only thing they can do by maintaining a police presence.

Honestly from the videos you'd think that if the police weren't there, the crowd would simply become lost, and wander off in different directions across the town in confusion.

[Oliver_W]

Can we get USA police officers to deal with scum like that?

[Liam-]

Can we get USA police officers to deal with scum like that?

Let’s have all the angry Muslim men shot?

[user104658]

Can we get USA police officers to deal with scum like that?

If US-style policing had been involved there would have been a riot and those houses in the video would have been heavily damaged. :shrug:

[arista]

I know Americans who know of Robinson. He's quite well known all over the world. Dont know why people think this guy is some kind of victim. He's clearly brilliant at self promotion.



Yes he went out to USA
even though banned
he got in with his mates passport
got arrested when back,

[GiRTh]

Were there any arrests?

[Twosugars]

Yes he went out to USA
even though banned
he got in with his mates passport
got arrested when back,

Too extreme even for America? :laugh:

[GiRTh]

Yes he went out to USA
even though banned
he got in with his mates passport
got arrested when back,iYfStBZ2w8wHere he is on Fox News. I can remember Katie Hopkins defending him on Fox too. He's doing his job and getting people to sympathise.

[arista]

iYfStBZ2w8wHere he is on Fox News. I can remember Katie Hopkins defending him on Fox too. He's doing his job and getting people to sympathise.


Yes goes on that show alot.

[arista]

Too extreme even for America? :laugh:


NO



its much more simple
Criminal Record he has.

[Twosugars]

that makes sense, Arista
America is the craddle of far right nuttery

[arista]

that makes sense, Arista
America is the craddle of far right nuttery


Of course
most of us a fully aware of that

[user104658]

Honestly tho... "Poor wee Tommy, arrested for fraudulently using someone else's passport. Persecuted, he is!"

It's a SERIOUS CRIME! He's lucky they only deported him!

[Liam-]

Honestly tho... "Poor wee Tommy, arrested for fraudulently using someone else's passport. Persecuted, he is!"

It's a SERIOUS CRIME! He's lucky they only deported him!

Ironically, but totally predictable, he committed the same crime him and his ilk hate poc doing, but it’s not so bad when white Tommy does it

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think everyone can agree that now he has turned his life around and by trying to become an MEP is benefiting society and his community - he should be applauded for this and he rightly is by all sides

[Withano]

*spends a lifetime antagonising muslims*

*acts distressed and confused when muslims become antagonised*