Labour MP Jess Phillips clashes with protester over Birmingham school's LGBT

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/mp-jess-phillips-clashes-with-protester-over-birmingham-schools-lgbt-lessons-11724829

[Shakeel Afsar accused Ms Phillips of being 'intolerant toward us']

Video on link


This is only going to get worse
Ammi a Great Lady
how would you solve this problem?

[The school has said the protesters are
spreading "lies and misinformation"
and that most are not parents.
MP Jess Phillips told a man outside
the school: "You are harming the
Muslim community... you are whipping
up hatred of the Muslim community."]



Sign Of The Times.

[Oliver_W]

Good on her for standing up to bigots.

[Liam-]

The irony of calling people intolerant while you’re protesting about the enlightenment of lgbt people

[Oliver_W]

The irony of calling people intolerant while you’re protesting about the enlightenment of lgbt people

"You're intolerant of my intolerance!!11"

[Cherie]

"I don't agree you can pick and choose the equality you can and can't have. Our equality laws protect us all

:clap1:

[arista]

"I don't agree you can pick and choose the equality you can and can't have. Our equality laws protect us all

:clap1:



Not in that school
there a Gay Teacher Fella under threat
by Extreme Muslims
That same Muslim was on a Longer Docu'
the other week on All Out Politics - SkyNewsHD AM

That Extreme Muslim (Shakeel Afsar) is the Brother of
Mother who has to keep her kids away from that school
because of him

[Twosugars]

this is the law of the land, equality; and curriculum is government-approved
what's their problem?
they can be as bigoted as they want at home, but in the public sphere they need to obey the law

[arista]

this is the law of the land, equality; and curriculum is government-approved
what's their problem?
they can be as bigoted as they want at home, but in the public sphere they need to obey the law


Shakeel Afsar (in the link video)
that Extreme Muslim who has control over that community


It only going to get worse

BBC Newsnight HD also covered it some weeks ago

[Oliver_W]

this is the law of the land, equality; and curriculum is government-approved
what's their problem?
they can be as bigoted as they want at home, but in the public sphere they need to obey the law

Shakeel Afsar (in the link video)
that Extreme Muslim who has control over that community


It only going to get worse

BBC Newsnight HD also covered it some weeks ago

Some schools are just trash and shouldn't receive any public funding, quite frankly.

[arista]

Its on BBC1NEWS now


Also on ITV1HD News 6:30PM


Same Extreme Muslim

[Twosugars]

I hope people in charge have enough balls to confront this bigotry bc if you give an inch it will open the floodgates

[arista]

Birmingham head teacher threatened over LGBT lessons

See Two Sugars
that one Extreme Muslim is a Danger to so many

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48339080

[Twosugars]

Birmingham head teacher threatened over LGBT lessons

See Two Sugars
that one Extreme Muslim is a Danger to so many

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-48339080

thanks
all extremism is dangerous, including religious like here, that's why you should condemn it WHEREVER it pops up (TR in your case for example)

[arista]

thanks
all extremism is dangerous, including religious like here, that's why you should condemn it WHEREVER it pops up (TR in your case for example)



Sure
I have told you loads of time I do not Support TR


This is a dangerous Extreme Muslim (Shakeel Afsar)

[Twosugars]

Sure
I have told you loads of time I do not Support TR


This is a dangerous Extreme Muslim (Shakeel Afsar)

Ok
Peace

[arista]

Peace
back to you , mate

[smudgie]

So now it’s spreading to other schools.
If you are not happy with your child’s school then take them out and teach them yourselves, under close scrutiny.:shrug:

[arista]

So now it’s spreading to other schools.
If you are not happy with your child’s school then take them out and teach them yourselves, under close scrutiny.:shrug:


Yes its wrong

[Amy Jade]

Why doesn't the daft bastard take his kids out of the school if he's unhappy?

[Cherie]

Why doesn't the daft bastard take his kids out of the school if he's unhappy?

because he wants what he wants and he wants it now, unfortunately because the UK is always tippy toeing around and not enforcing the law equally he thinks he is above it

anyway its not just him, half the school isn't turning up and the protests are spreading

[smudgie]

Why doesn't the daft bastard take his kids out of the school if he's unhappy?

The daft beggar doesn’t have any kids at the school.
Just a troublemaker.

[Amy Jade]

The daft beggar doesn’t have any kids at the school.
Just a troublemaker.

Absoloutely pathetic.

What a sad man.

[GiRTh]

Jess Phillips :love:

[Tom4784]

Come thru, Jess :clap1:

Politicians need to grow some balls and tell these ****wits to go choke on their bigotry. The irony of them claiming intolerance towards what is their intolerance is just staggering. Utter morons.

[arista]

The daft beggar doesn’t have any kids at the school.
Just a troublemaker.


Yes his sister does.
That's his connection

He is a Extreme Muslim
that has control of group of Muslims
that have young kids at that school.

[Cherie]

:facepalm: the idea that they can accept all the freedoms the UK gives them and then try to deny that to another community is beyond words

[joeysteele]

I've really come to admire Jess Phillips.
Taking none of at least one of the protester's nonsense.

[Beso]

So we now have to ignore the religious beliefs of the Muslim because of the lgbt community..


Jesus christ this world is confusing.

[Cherie]

So we now have to ignore the religious beliefs of the Muslim because of the lgbt community..


Jesus christ this world is confusing.

No, this wouldn't be tolerated if it were any other religion, they send their children to English state school and diversity and inclusion is part of the curriculum, you can't just have diversity and inclusion just for the elements you want....these are primary school children all they are being taught is that two daddies or two mommies is okay......

[Cherie]

what the school should be doing at this stage is fining them, and then if they continue, starting the process of removing the families involved from the school, imagine having to turn up with your kids each day and face intimidation for taking your child in

[Beso]

So how come jehova witnesses are allowed to sit out of assembly?

[Alf]

Jess Phillips :love:She threatened to stab Jeremy Corbyn. There's video evidence of it.

Of course, I know she wasn't serious, but by her's and the BBCs rules, context doesn't matter, or is that just for rape jokes and not attempted murder jokes?

[Nicky91]

She threatened to stab Jeremy Corbyn. There's video evidence of it.

Of course, I know she wasn't serious, but by her's and the BBCs rules, context doesn't matter, or is that just for rape jokes and not attempted murder jokes?

where?

[Alf]

where?Somewhere out there, it's in an interview by Owen Jones, just Google.

[Cherie]

So how come jehova witnesses are allowed to sit out of assembly?

Not being funny but this school is 90 per cent plus muslim , if they all sit out there will be no one in class :laugh:

[Alf]

According to a Katie Hopkins tweet, LGBT activists were pelted with eggs and milk shake by Muslim protestors outside primary school gates.

[Nicky91]

Somewhere out there, it's in an interview by Owen Jones, just Google.

:conf:

[Tom4784]

So how come jehova witnesses are allowed to sit out of assembly?

Jehovah's witnesses sitting out of assembly =/= People taking their kids out of school because they are homophobes.

[Nicky91]

https://www.businessinsider.com/jess-phillips-tells-owen-jones-she-would-stab-jeremy-corbyn-in-the-front-2015-12

oh this you mean alf, its from 2015 btw :laugh:


bit old news now

[Beso]

Jehovah's witnesses sitting out of assembly =/= People taking their kids out of school because they are homophobes.

No, but they could sit out the lesson as it's no different to jehova judy sitting out my class assembly all those years back.

[Beso]

Not being funny but this school is 90 per cent plus muslim , if they all sit out there will be no one in class :laugh:

Which surely is why the parents concerns should be heard.

[Alf]

https://www.businessinsider.com/jess-phillips-tells-owen-jones-she-would-stab-jeremy-corbyn-in-the-front-2015-12

oh this you mean alf, its from 2015 btw :laugh:


bit old news nowThe Rape joke which she was crying about was also from years ago, but that didn't stop her.

[Cherie]

Which surely is why the parents concerns should be heard.

So if parents wanted segregated classrooms for males and females should they get that as well? diversity and inclusion is part of the national curriculum, they are of course at liberty to take their children and home school them or put them in a muslim faith school if they wish

[Alf]

So can I just ask those who were angry at the rape joke by Carl Benjamin, are you also angry at the attempted murder joke by Jess Phillips? and if so, show me your outrage and if not, why the double standards?

[Kazanne]

According to a Katie Hopkins tweet, LGBT activists were pelted with eggs and milk shake by Muslim protestors outside primary school gates.

It's ok thought isn't it Alf its only milkshake and eggs !!!! ahem

[Beso]

So if parents wanted segregated classrooms for males and females should they get that as well? diversity and inclusion is part of the national curriculum, they are of course at liberty to take their children and home school them or put them in a muslim faith school if they wish



Gawd sake...all I got was 2 hours maths in the morning..some pe and English in the afternoon....it was the teacher who went the extra mile to teach us other things at the time when i went to primary school...heck he even managed to get hold of a tv camera to film us all asking questions in a political manner....the winner got to interview David steel the then leader of the lib Dems and our local mp on a tv programme down in London during our school trip....



Luckily I didn't win cause all that sounds like a rues to bum poor little Gill heard....the winner/loser.

[Matthew.]

Alf, there’s quite a difference between using the phrase “getting stabbed in the back” and saying that someone is “too ugly to rape.” You’re not that dense, you know fine that to “stab someone in the back” is a metaphorical term which means to betray someone.

[Alf]

Alf, there’s quite a difference between using the phrase “getting stabbed in the back” and saying that someone is “too ugly to rape.” You’re not that dense, you know fine that to “stab someone in the back” is a metaphorical term which means to betray someone.I know, if you read my posts, I say that I know she wasn't being serious. The BBC and Jess Phillips also know Carl Benjamin wasn't being serious and just used it against him to smear him, because they have the power to.

[Twosugars]

I know, if you read my posts, I say that I know she wasn't being serious. The BBC and Jess Phillips also know Carl Benjamin wasn't being serious and just used it against him to smear him, because they have the power to.

Sad you go that far to excuse scum like him

[Alf]

Sad you go that far to excuse scum like himI've been following him on YouTube since 2015, I know he isn't scum. I was able to come to that decision myself. My guess is you've never listened to him, and you're just happy to accept the version of him given to you by the mainstream media? You don't even have to research him yourself, they do it for you.

Do you know his ideas? and if not, why not? What's his policy on climate change, the NHS, free speech, immigration, political correctness, the economy, crime?

The rape joke saga is absolutely pathetic, the guy was running for election, the BBC had him on, they didn't ask him one question on his policies, but spent the entire interview trying to smear him for a joke, repeat, a joke.

[Amy Jade]

Scum!!!

[GiRTh]

She threatened to stab Jeremy Corbyn. There's video evidence of it.

Of course, I know she wasn't serious, but by her's and the BBCs rules, context doesn't matter, or is that just for rape jokes and not attempted murder jokes?
Her comments were made during an interview, she qualified with 'If I had to' clearly giving context to the metaphor and it must be stressed she was speaking metaphorically. I cant find the 2016 tweet from Benjamin but can you tell me if contextually he was trying to make a point or was it just a joke? He has also doubled down on his comment and I believe she hasn't so I'd argue there is little moral equivalency between the two. We all make dumb comments but admitting the comment was dumb is something some people just cant do.

[Matthew.]

Just looked this Carl Benjamin guy up and this is what I found out - he’s even more of a **** than I originally thought.

Patreon banned Benjamin in December 2018, when he was earning over US$12,000 a month. According to Patreon, Benjamin violated the site's rules on hate speech by using "racial and homophobic slurs to degrade another individual." A number of users, including Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin left the platform following the ban of Benjamin. Harris stated that he did not "share the politics of the banned members," but objected to what he described as "political bias" on Patreon. As part of their explanation for why they dropped Benjamin, Patreon published a transcript of a YouTube video in which Benjamin stated that members of the alt-right were "acting like white *******" because "exactly how you describe black people acting is the impression I get dealing with the Alt-Right." He added that "White people are meant to be polite and respectful to one another."In response, Benjamin has said that his targets were not black or homosexual, and he claimed that the word "******" is not as offensive in Britain as it is in the United States.

In response to Labour Party politician Jess Phillips' statement that rape threats are commonplace for her, Benjamin said in May 2016 that "I wouldn't even rape you #AntiRapeThreats #FeminismIsCancer" in a YouTube video and repeated this on Twitter. Benjamin declined to apologise for the comment.

At a UKIP press conference announcing his candidacy for the 2019 European Parliament elections, Benjamin once again refused to retract his comments about Philips, and said that she was being a "giant bitch" by "laughing about male suicide" and that he was justified in being a “giant dick back.” It was unclear what Benjamin's comments referred to; Phillips had not mocked male suicide and believes it to be a serious issue. The Chairman of the Swindon branch of the UKIP called for Benjamin to be deselected, which was rejected by Batten.

In May 2018, Benjamin was a speaker at a right-wing "Day of Freedom" rally in support of Tommy Robinson after Robinson was banned from Twitter for hate speech. While on a panel in New York City in 2018, he said: "Jewish people, unfortunately for them, have got to drop the identity politics. I'm sorry about the Holocaust but I don't give a s***. I'm sorry."

[Alf]

Her comments were made during an interview, she qualified with 'If I had to' clearly giving context to the metaphor and it must be stressed she was speaking metaphorically. I cant find the 2016 tweet from Benjamin but can you tell me if contextually he was trying to make a point or was it just a joke? He has also doubled down on his comment and I believe she hasn't so I'd argue there is little moral equivalency between the two. We all make dumb comments but admitting the comment was dumb is something some people just cant do.It was a joke calling Jess Phillips ugly. He said it because he believed she was laughing at male suicide and some other reasons. But he doesn't even need any reasons to tell a joke if he wants, he has the freedom to do so.

If he hadn't have decided to become a member of UKIP, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Jokes are not dumb comments, jokes are jokes. So there is absolutely no need to apologise to anyone.

Have you watched his BBC interview with Victoria Derbyshire?

It makes the channel 4s Newman, Peterson interview look good.

If you do watch it. Try and find the full version, because there are edited versions out there, although they still make Benjamin look sane and she a paid actress reading from script, without one bit of interest in what he's saying. It's a really great interview for Sargon, he makes her look foolish.

[Alf]

Just looked this Carl Benjamin guy up and this is what I found out - he’s even more of a **** than I originally thought.He has 2 YouTube channels, he makes videos daily, has done for a while now, you are free to listen to him for yourself and make up your own mind, all his videos are still there to view.

He's been debating the public in town centres for past couple weeks for his election rallies, they're all there to see on his channels, watch we he has to say from the horses mouth. You might not agree with him on everything, I don't agree with him on everything, but at least you'll have more understanding of who he is and what he believes, rather than just the summary from those opposed to him.

[GiRTh]

It was a joke calling Jess Phillips ugly. He said it because he believed she was laughing at male suicide and some other reasons. But he doesn't even need any reasons to tell a joke if he wants, he has the freedom to do so.

If he hadn't have decided to become a member of UKIP, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Jokes are not dumb comments, jokes are jokes. So there is absolutely no need to apologise to anyone.

Have you watched his BBC interview with Victoria Derbyshire?

It makes the channel 4s Newman, Peterson interview look good.

If you do watch it. Try and find the full version, because there are edited versions out there, although they still make Benjamin look sane and she a paid actress reading from script, without one bit of interest in what he's saying. It's a really great interview for Sargon, he makes her look foolish.As a student of comedy you must admit rape jokes are still very taboo. The moment a comedian decides to joke about rape, no matter his political bias or history it will cause controversy. Some comedians successfully straddle the line of such taboo topics but surely you must admit he failed in this instance and his doubling down is simply crass and frankly arrogant. For me, its not simply about his right to tell a joke.

In light of this becoming a Ukip member just stinks. Whats he trying to prove? :shrug:

I'll take a look at that interview when I've got time but I'm no fan of Petersons either. Does Benjamin use the tried and tested technique of first making an outrageous claim, enjoying the outrage and absorbing the flames then retreating to a much more arguable position? They all do it Peterson, Shapiro, Sam Harris, even that twat Dave Rubin. They all dont have that much to say IMO

[Alf]

To be honest GiRTh, I'm gonna stop talking about him now in this thread, because this is now taking this thread off topic, (started by me, admittedly) but I may start a thread on him sometime in the future.

[GiRTh]

To be honest GiRTh, I'm gonna stop talking about him now in this thread, because this is now taking this thread off topic, (started by me, admittedly) but I may start a thread on him sometime in the future.
PAdxfIPNtt0Is this the interview?

[Alf]

PAdxfIPNtt0Is this the interview?Yes, that's the interview. Not sure if this is an edited version or not. If Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais and Frankie Boyle are mentioned, then I think that is the full version.

[GiRTh]

Three minutes in and I'm cracking up. He's playing the victim. 'Its a joke about you'. I dont get it :conf:

I do agree though, her interview technique is terrible

[GiRTh]

Having said that the bit about 'there not being enough beer' would have been funny enough. :shrug:

[GiRTh]

He lost it when she started reading out the quotes from rape victims. Poor and exploitative interview technique. :bored:

[GiRTh]

At 8.23 he actually said people are being 'radicalised. :laugh:

Less than ten minutes in and I'm not impressed Alf. Does it get better?

[Alf]

He lost it when she started reading out the quotes from rape victims. Poor and exploitative interview technique. :bored:He didn't lose anything, he got free publicity from the BBC, the majority of the country whether left or right are probably not the BBCs biggest fans right now, and he was giving it to them, which would have had people on his side. This was a major success for Benjamin.

[GiRTh]

10.56 'I want comedy to come back to this country' :umm2:

Strange take on it IMO

[Alf]

10.56 'I want comedy to come back to this country' :umm2:

Strange take on it IMOWhat's wrong with that statement?

[GiRTh]

He didn't lose anything, he got free publicity from the BBC, the majority of the country whether left or right are probably not the BBCs biggest fans right now, and he was giving it to them, which would have had people on his side. This was a major success for Benjamin.Not impressed with him at all.

It was a horrible exploitative interview but he didn't come across at all impressive IMO and as for ideas? Dont make me larf. Playing the victim, making confusing statements, he looked lost for about 3-4 minutes when she was reading out the many quotes from sexual violence victims. He's right though, she cant speak for all those people but his lack of an answer was awful.

The free publicity will help but is this the best Ukip have got?

[GiRTh]

What's wrong with that statement?Is he the person to head the movement with his crass rape jokes? Comedy aint coming back if he's trumpeting the cause.

Strange take though due to the nature of the interview. She kept trying to shame him and I thought it was a strange thing to focus on given that.

[Alf]

By the way, that was an edited version, there was no mention of Gervais, Carr and Boyle. The full version see's Carl destroying her to silence.

[Alf]

Anyway GiRTh, let's let this thread get back on topic, because we'll end up getting deleted.

[GiRTh]

By the way, that was an edited version, there was no mention of Gervais, Carr and Boyle. The full version see's Carl destroying her to silence.I appreciate that. I think she mentioned it right at the end. :thumbs:

I'll see if I can find the full version.

[GiRTh]

Anyway GiRTh, let's let this thread get back on topic, because we'll end up getting deleted.Agree. I hope they dont delete this though, its been a good exchange of opinions.

[Alf]

Agree. I hope they dont delete this though, its been a good exchange of opinions.I've always liked exchanging opinions with you, you're a very reasonable and well mannered guy, I can definitely learn from you.

[GiRTh]

I've always liked exchanging opinions with you, you're a very reasonable and well mannered guy, I can definitely learn from you.Cheers mate. :thumbs:

We disagree on just about every political topic but I think we always keep it clean and can take a bit of ribbing from each other. We can learn from each other :hug:

[Livia]

I've always liked exchanging opinions with you, you're a very reasonable and well mannered guy, I can definitely learn from you.

Cheers mate. :thumbs:

We disagree on just about every political topic but I think we always keep it clean and can take a bit of ribbing from each other. We can learn from each other :hug:


TiBB serious debates.... the way it should be.

[Vicky.]

Agree. I hope they dont delete this though, its been a good exchange of opinions.

Nah, we don't usually delete stuff like this, its only if it goes into (or starts with) bickering thats offtopic. I would think that even if this was deemed in the wrong place, the posts would be copied off to a new thread so it could be discussed properly in there. Not often at all we delete well thought out posts :)

TiBB serious debates.... the way it should be.

Quite.

I wish more 'debates' were like that tbh. We can easily disagree, without insulting each other IMO.

[user104658]

PAdxfIPNtt0Is this the interview?

What an utter mess that interview is. I think his "jokes" are insensitive and not acceptable - that shouldn't be hard to successfully argue - but this shambles makes it look impossible?? The attempt to address the issue here is painful to watch. The BBC really is verging on complete incompetence these days in my opinion, it's just two people talking over each other and the interviewer reading out A4 sheets of twitter comments like they mean anything at all when picked out with an agenda... it's just unreal. No attempt at all at ANY sort of dialogue. WHERE is the actual reasoned debate?

[Vicky.]

Also LOL at accusing journalists of 'coercive control' for reporting on stuff.

Total victim complex that dude has.