The Pope compares abortion to 'hiring a HITMAN' as he says it can NEVER be condoned

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pope Francis made the claims at a Vatican-sponsored anti-abortion conference
He said: 'Is it licit to throw away a life or hire a hitman to resolve a problem?'
Denounced decisions to abort because a human being is 'never incompatible with life'


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Pope Francis has compared abortion to 'hiring a hitman' during a Vatican-sponsored anti-abortion conference.

He said abortion can never be condoned, even when the fetus is gravely sick or malformed.

He urged doctors and priests to support families to carry such pregnancies to term.


The Pope claimed his opposition to abortion was not for religious issues, but for human ones.

He said: 'Is it licit to throw away a life to resolve a problem?

'Is it licit to hire a hitman to resolve a problem?'

Francis disagreed with abortions done on grounds of prenatal testing which reveals problems with the fetus.

He said a human being is 'never incompatible with life'.

Francis has spoken out strongly against abortion, although he has also expressed sympathy for women who have had them and made it easier for them to be forgiven.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7069883/Pope-compares-abortion-hiring-hitman.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

[montblanc]

a catholic icon is anti-abortion? are we surprised?

[montblanc]

a telling people to “just carry pregnancies full term” is one of the most ignorant things anyone can ever say, ESPECIALLY when it comes from a man

[Liam-]

Maybe he should focus on doing something about the nonces he helps to protect rather than commenting on what women can and can’t do with their bodies, just a suggestion

[Crimson Dynamo]

the cover up of paedos on a worldwide scale and he says

"he has also expressed sympathy for women who have had them and made it easier for them to be forgiven."

:skull:

[Mokka]

Well as long as we can be forgiven then ...

[Strictly Jake]

Can I just say whether you agree with his views or not...

On this thread people are calling catholics things like nonces, paedos and being generally negative about Catholics

I'm not Catholic myself but I am in a Christian religion and some of the names people call people is horrible

I think Christian opposition and persecution should be viewed as being offensive in the same way people find it offensive when stuff is said about Muslim religion etc

[Liam-]

Seeing as you’re obviously referring to me, i’ll respond..

I’m not calling catholic’s nonces, that would be dumb and offensive, I’m calling nonces who happen to be catholic priests nonces, there’s a major difference, let’s not pretend I’m being offensive tah. What’s offensive is people like Mr. Popey telling people what they should or shouldn’t do with their bodies when he’s failing to protect thousand of children all across the world and failing to persecute the people responsible for such things, hence why I said what I said.

Thanks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Argentina: Pope Francis' home country is beginning to see an eruption of the scandal, with some cases even implicating failures by the pontiff himself.

Australia: A four-year national investigation found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015. 7% of Catholic priests in Australia in 1950-2010 were accused of sexually abusing children.

Chile: Chilean criminal prosecutors have staged a series of raids on the church's secret archives to seize documents. They have opened more than 100 investigations into abusive priests.

Germany: The German Catholic Church concluded at least 3,677 people were abused by clergy between 1946 and 2014. More than half the victims were 13 or younger and most were boys. Every sixth case involved rape and at least 1,670 clergy were involved. 969 abuse victims were altar boys.

Ireland: Tens of thousands of children suffered wide-ranging abuses in church-run workhouse-style institutions.

U.S.: About 70 dioceses and religious orders have released lists of accused priests, according to BishopAccountability.org. Pennsylvania alone found 300 priests sexually abused at least 1,000 children since the 1940s. Prosecutors in more than a dozen states have opened similar investigations.

https://www.axios.com/catholic-church-sex-abuse-crisis-summit-pope-francis-cf3e1777-6192-45a9-80a8-9b4f0335cd1d.html

[armand.kay]

can't Catholics do whatever they like as long as they confess

[Niamh.]

Yeah tbf what Liam actually said was "The nonces he helped to protect" which is clearly referring to the multiple scandals to do with paedophile priests and other priests and higher covering their crimes up, that have come to light in recent years.

On topic maybe he should have a think about how he and the Catholic church could help support all these unplanned/unwanted babies after their born, as he's so eager for them to be born, rather than condemning the women who have abortions

[Strictly Jake]

I'm not saying I agree with what he is saying I'm just saying there are catholics and other Christians that only want good and view things like paedophilia as downright abhorrent I just don't want people thinking that everyone is the same. I won't even begin to discuss my beliefs on this forum because you all shut them down straight away so thinking that there may be other Christian faiths and other catholics maybe joining the forum and seeing the stuff people call them will put them off

By all means disagree with the views but just be mindful too. A lot of terrorists are Muslim but we wouldn't bring up a thread about a Muslim belief and then say offensive stuff about them being terrorists etc because we should realise that not everyone is the same. I just think the general attitude on this forum is to completely disregard religion and religious people slag them off call them names etc and not being open to the fact other people do have a belief in God and the bible

After all we are a forum that should be open to everyone

[Jake.]

Can I just say whether you agree with his views or not...

On this thread people are calling catholics things like nonces, paedos and being generally negative about Catholics

I'm not Catholic myself but I am in a Christian religion and some of the names people call people is horrible

I think Christian opposition and persecution should be viewed as being offensive in the same way people find it offensive when stuff is said about Muslim religion etc

Wouldn’t you say that a large number of Catholic priests being child molesters and covering it up for untold years was far worse?

[Ramsay]

Maybe he should focus on doing something about the nonces he helps to protect rather than commenting on what women can and can’t do with their bodies, just a suggestion

Word

[Strictly Jake]

Wouldn’t you say that a large number of Catholic priests being child molesters and covering it up for untold years was far worse?

Of course yes

Don't know why I even pipe up on the serious debates topics

I just hate the downright negative view of all religious beliefs on here. As for the priests etc that's because of them being downright disgusting and not following the bible

But those that have beliefs and follow the rules of the Bible shouldnt always be shot down. But that's all I'm gonna say

[Marsh.]

Actually took longer for the usual attack on Christians.

You're actually improving TiBB.

[Marsh.]

Wouldn’t you say that a large number of Catholic priests being child molesters and covering it up for untold years was far worse?

Why does it have to be one or the other?

[user104658]

Actually took longer for the usual attack on Christians.

You're actually improving TiBB.Has anyone attacked Christians, though, or just pointed out that the Catholic Church leadership (specifically) has helped to cover up countless incidents of abuse? Isn't that just a flat statement of fact?

[Niamh.]

Yep to echo TS, no one has attacked Catholics despite the accusations in this thread; they've simply pointed out that the Pope shouldn't be condemning something he sees as a crime (which is not) whilst staying deafeningly quiet on actual crimes within the institution he leads

[Marsh.]

So he can't comment on or give an opinion on anything again due to a separate issue? Ok.

[Mokka]

So he can't comment on or give an opinion on anything again due to a separate issue? Ok.

Well he shouldn't... I get it's his job to provide a stance, but that stance is nullified to the general public when he refuses to be honest, upfront in addressing the greater issue in the institution he upholds. It greater alienates the Catholic church.

[Marsh.]

It's not really nullified. It's his stance.

Shouting over everything he says with "BUT pedo priests!!" kind of nullifies any discussion about any serious topic.

[Mokka]

It's not really nullified. It's his stance.

Shouting over everything he says with "BUT pedo priests!!" kind of nullifies any discussion about any serious topic.

It's a huge glaring issue that is going to overshadow the entirety of the catholic church until it's open, until prosecution happens, until compensations are made...and until measures are taken to prevent it continuing.

That all aside, I'm never going to be Catholic, so what he says about abortion doesn't affect me. What is happening in America with abortion is the real travesty. Lawmakers making it illegal ... again... is where our attentions should be

[Marsh.]

Well exactly. His opinion is just added to the pile of everyone else's.

[Mokka]

Well exactly. His opinion is just added to the pile of everyone else's.

Unfortunately his opinion is part of the religious propaganda steering the American states making it illegal. So yes, his opinion dies count for more to some people.
God's voice on earth or something

[Niamh.]

So he can't comment on or give an opinion on anything again due to a separate issue? Ok.Sure he can and he did but people will comment on those comments surely that's fair? I mean he's calling women murderers basically but you're defending his right not to have that opinion questioned, Really?

[Twosugars]

Agree with Jakey and Marsh on this.

Also, we may disagree but sanctity of human life for Catholics is unconditional so the church's view on abortion follows from that

[Liam-]

I have no time, patience or understanding for someone that condemns women for following through on their freedom to choose, yet not only fails to condemn, but continues to protect and enable people who actively commit heinous crimes by using their power to manipulate vulnerable people, I personally despise the idea of all religion, but hold no prejudice towards anyone that holds whatever religion they wish, I do however have contempt for people who use their religion to excuse covering up disgusting crimes.

[Alf]

Change the religion, and you get a lot of Tommy Robinson's in this thread.

I don't mind, I'm for you having your opinion. I just think it shows up double standards.

[Mokka]

Change the religion, and you get a lot of Tommy Robinson's in this thread.

I don't mind, I'm for you having your opinion. I just think it shows up double standards.

What double standards.
The only one I see is within the Catholic Church itself. All conception is life. Well who cares for these children when the parents aren't able to. Should we go back to the days of religious orphanages where nuns and priests can abuse the kids with their power?

[Alf]

What double standards.
The only one I see is within the Catholic Church itself. All conception is life. Well who cares for these children when the parents aren't able to. Should we go back to the days of religious orphanages where nuns and priests can abuse the kids with their power?Tommy speaks up about young girls being groomed and raped on mass, homosexuals being thrown of buildings to their deaths, young girls having their genitals mutilated. For that, he is hated.

[Mokka]

Nobody here is using hate rhetoric to prop up their point though. I am not asking for Catholics to be categorically wiped out from my society... or sent away. I'm saying those that are accountable need to be held accountable. I would say the same for any person in any religion. We are talking specifically about the Pope here, and his people in power in. I don't see the two situations as being parallel

[Liam-]

The difference is, Robinson hatefully targets only one religion and uses rhetoric which incites hatred towards that set of people, nobody in this thread has attacked a religion or anybody for being religious, there’s a major difference and you know it.

[Alf]

The difference is, Robinson hatefully targets only one religion and uses rhetoric which incites hatred towards that set of people, nobody in this thread has attacked a religion or anybody for being religious, there’s a major difference and you know it.Define inciting hatred?

Is calling somebody who isn't a bigot, a bigot, inciting hatred? I mean, being called a bigot isn't a nice thing, is it?

My rugby team are my religion, if you speak negatively about my rugby team, are you inciting hatred?

[Mokka]

Define inciting hatred?

Is calling somebody who isn't a bigot, a bigot, inciting hatred? I mean, being called a bigot isn't a nice thing, is it?

My rugby team are my religion, if you speak negatively about my rugby team, are you inciting hatred?

Sports =/= religion
Sports =/= race

[Alf]

Sports =/= religion
Sports =/= raceSport is more real than man in the sky.

[Liam-]

Can we try not to get this closed pleased, it’s one of the only SD threads where it’s actually looked like I know what I’m talking about :laugh:

[Alf]

Can we try not to get this closed pleased, it’s one of the only SD threads where it’s actually looked like I know what I’m talking about :laugh:Nothing has been said that would or should have the thread closed. We're debating. I've got nothing more to say. I said my opinion and you replied to me, so I engaged in debate with you.

[user104658]

Tommy speaks up about young girls being groomed and raped on mass, homosexuals being thrown of buildings to their deaths, young girls having their genitals mutilated. For that, he is hated.Tommy Robinson's problem has never been in speaking about about the troubling aspects of religion, or the actions of certain groups though. The problem is that he uses those things to vilify ALL members of that religion (and more).

[Alf]

Tommy Robinson's problem has never been in speaking about about the troubling aspects of religion, or the actions of certain groups though. The problem is that he uses those things to vilify ALL members of that religion (and more).Just not true, he has many Muslim friends and alies.

[user104658]

Just not true, he has many Muslim friends and alies.It would take a lot for me to believe that the people you describe "in his camp" aren't planted propaganda.

[Alf]

It would take a lot for me to believe that the people you describe "in his camp" aren't planted propaganda.Nah, he grew up with them, went to school with them, goes to the football with them. Crazy notion in a multicultural town like Luton eh?

[Liam-]

I mean, he had to socialise with some Muslims, wasn’t he locked up with some?

[Alf]

I mean, he had to socialise with some Muslims, wasn’t he locked up with some?They were likely to be the radical ones that want to kill him.

[Marsh.]

Sure he can and he did but people will comment on those comments surely that's fair? I mean he's calling women murderers basically but you're defending his right not to have that opinion questioned, Really?

Where did I say that?

[Niamh.]

Where did I say that?In this thread when people questioned his authority to preach what is and isn't a crime or what does and does not deserve speaking out about to his followers. If you're going to brand a group if people criminals whilst hiding a group if actual criminals then you should expect a bit of backlash, don't you think?

[Marsh.]

In this thread when people questioned his authority to preach what is and isn't a crime or what does and does not deserve speaking out about to his followers. If you're going to brand a group if people criminals whilst hiding a group if actual criminals then you should expect a bit of backlash, don't you think?

There's a difference between questioning an opinion and shouting "Pedo priests!" at every opinion he offers.

[Niamh.]

There's a difference between questioning an opinion and shouting "Pedo priests!" at every opinion he offers.Because until he takes a proper stance on those atrocities within his own organisation his opinion on what is and is not "criminal" is comedic, if it wasn't so horrific.

[Ammi]

It's a huge glaring issue that is going to overshadow the entirety of the catholic church until it's open, until prosecution happens, until compensations are made...and until measures are taken to prevent it continuing.

That all aside, I'm never going to be Catholic, so what he says about abortion doesn't affect me. What is happening in America with abortion is the real travesty. Lawmakers making it illegal ... again... is where our attentions should be

..yeah this last part really is where the attention should be fully focused I feel...although there is obviously a correlation between the law makers and his words in that any pregnancy is excused as a ‘gift from God’ or Gods work to justify the male control....and that’s the fundamental issue with so much still in existence in religion which is still being used to justify by some law makers as if it were a one size fits all matter...

[user104658]

The thing is, this is another example where experience seems pretty important in having a fully rounded opinion.

As awful as this is going to sound, I was really against the idea of abortion (though I'd never have wanted it to be illegal) until I had children :umm2:. Now just to quickly say, that's not because I don't want the ones I have!

I'm now 100% Pro choice and 100% woman's choice. The reason for this, is that I don't think people fully comprehend the physical and psychological effect that even a PLANNED pregnancy has on a woman's body until they directly experience one. Obviously I appreciate that it's still something I'll never completely understand but even having experienced it as best supporting actor completely changed my perspective on it. It's spoken of so flippantly in the abortion debate - especially by men, but also especially by anyone who has no real experience of what a 9 month pregnancy and birth entails.

So the pope, who pregnancy could not be LESS relevant for personally, really has a very limited scope for commenting on this even if you take the blatant hypocrisy out of the equation.

Also what's with the idea that you can't say "I'm not interested in what this guy has to offer" based on past actions?? Is that how it works now? I mean sure everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they're not entitled to "have their opinion taken seriously" when they're being a laughable hypocrite :think:.

[bots]

The catholic church leadership really hasn't moved on since the Borgias period. If they could still get away with half they got away with then, they would. They are only interested in controlling their flock, not actually bettering their lives

[Ammi]

...it’s pro choice for other things as well which his opinion takes away...

‘He argued that children who were not expected to live long after birth deserved to be treated in the womb “with extraordinary pharmacological, surgical and other interventions.” Such care “helps parents to grieve and not only think of it as a loss, but as a step on a path taken together,” he said.’


...There is no one size fits all for any of these heartbreaking things like grief and when that grief should begin and the individual path forward with it...paths are not always taken together with parents as he suggests, grief can often separate those paths sadly...

[Niamh.]

The thing is, this is another example where experience seems pretty important in having a fully rounded opinion.

As awful as this is going to sound, I was really against the idea of abortion (though I'd never have wanted it to be illegal) until I had children :umm2:. Now just to quickly say, that's not because I don't want the ones I have!

I'm now 100% Pro choice and 100% woman's choice. The reason for this, is that I don't think people fully comprehend the physical and psychological effect that even a PLANNED pregnancy has on a woman's body until they directly experience one. Obviously I appreciate that it's still something I'll never completely understand but even having experienced it as best supporting actor completely changed my perspective on it. It's spoken of so flippantly in the abortion debate - especially by men, but also especially by anyone who has no real experience of what a 9 month pregnancy and birth entails.

So the pope, who pregnancy could not be LESS relevant for personally, really has a very limited scope for commenting on this even if you take the blatant hypocrisy out of the equation.

Also what's with the idea that you can't say "I'm not interested in what this guy has to offer" based on past actions?? Is that how it works now? I mean sure everyone is entitled to their opinion, but they're not entitled to "have their opinion taken seriously" when they're being a laughable hypocrite :think:.Yep I was anti abortion myself when I was younger. I wouldn't say I'm pro abortion now but I am 100% pro choice, there's a difference

[Tom4784]

The pro-life movement are scum and the pope protects a culture of rape and peadophillia in his own religion of stolen pagan traditions.

[Marsh.]

Because until he takes a proper stance on those atrocities within his own organisation his opinion on what is and is not "criminal" is comedic, if it wasn't so horrific.

Comedic or not, he's entitled to it as much as you.

[user104658]

Comedic or not, he's entitled to it as much as you.Being entitled to an opinion doesn't mean immunity having that opinion criticised :shrug:.

[Twosugars]

This Pope is making progress on abuses but faces a lot of internal opposition . He's now hated by conservatives who oppose and sabotage him at every step.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he is still a hideous liar and head of a destructive world cult

[Mokka]

Comedic or not, he's entitled to it as much as you.

Can you not concede that when it's the Pope... it isn't an opinion anymore. If he is saying it out loud, his followers believe it to be the word of God.
It's not the same as you and me spouting our opinions online... and yes opinions can be perspective based and can be right and can be wrong.
There is a huge Catholic culture in many parts of the world that will use this word of God to roll back women's rights.

It isn't just an opinion

[Twosugars]

Can you not concede that when it's the Pope... it isn't an opinion anymore. If he is saying it out loud, his followers believe it to be the word of God.
It's not the same as you and me spouting our opinions online... and yes opinions can be perspective based and can be right and can be wrong.
There is a huge Catholic culture in many parts of the world that will use this word of God to roll back women's rights.

It isn't just an opinion

Mokka that's not how the doctrine of papal infallibility works :hee:

[Mokka]

Mokka that's not how the doctrine of papal infallibility works :hee:

90% of Catholics believers don't know how it works .. this is what the general belief is :hee:

[Cherie]

The poor Pope can't catch a break, he might want to change religion

[Twosugars]

90% of Catholics believers don't know how it works .. this is what the general belief is :hee:

The thing is it's very very rare, so rare that's it's safe to assume what he said is not infallible.

[Niamh.]

Comedic or not, he's entitled to it as much as you.Sure and I'm entitled to my opinion on that opinion, works both ways

[user104658]

The thing is it's very very rare, so rare that's it's safe to assume what he said is not infallible.I think Mokka's point (and I agree with her) is that many if not most Catholics will not follow those sorts of technicalities and will go with a broad "if the pope said it then that's what my religion says is right and I will go with that".

Being frank; it's not people in coutries / states where the population is generally philosophically and theologically aware that are at risk. It's women in places where the religion is devout, dogmatic and basic and what the pope says will be taken as gospel, full stop.

[Marsh.]

Can you not concede that when it's the Pope... it isn't an opinion anymore. If he is saying it out loud, his followers believe it to be the word of God.

Well that goes for his opinion about anything.

Only commenting on and taking umbridge with only parts of the things he says is as hypocritical and narrow as those claiming he is. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

Sure and I'm entitled to my opinion on that opinion, works both ways

An opinion on an opinion is different to trying to invalidate it.

[Marsh.]

Being entitled to an opinion doesn't mean immunity having that opinion criticised :shrug:.

Who said it did? I didn't.

[Twosugars]

I think Mokka's point (and I agree with her) is that many if not most Catholics will not follow those sorts of technicalities and will go with a broad "if the pope said it then that's what my religion says is right and I will go with that".

Being frank; it's not people in coutries / states where the population is generally philosophically and theologically aware that are at risk. It's women in places where the religion is devout, dogmatic and basic and what the pope says will be taken as gospel, full stop.

Usually reality intervenes ie Catholics are mostly used to not following the church when it doesn't suit them

[user104658]

Usually reality intervenes ie Catholics are mostly used to not following the church when it doesn't suit themIn Europe and US/Canada etc., sure. In Africa and South America though? The Catholic Church / Pope's (previous, I think?) stance on contraceptives for example has been absolutely disastrous for Christians in Africa. His words have massive power across vast sections of the global population.

[Cherie]

Usually reality intervenes ie Catholics are mostly used to not following the church when it doesn't suit them

Does that only apply to Catholics, unless you are an extremist I think most people who follow a religious doctrine tend to pick the bits that suit

[Twosugars]

Does that only apply to Catholics, unless you are an extremist I think most people who follow a religious doctrine tend to pick the bits that suit

That's right. But the argument here was about Catholics taking popes words as gospel.
Keep up Cherie :hee:

[Mokka]

I think Mokka's point (and I agree with her) is that many if not most Catholics will not follow those sorts of technicalities and will go with a broad "if the pope said it then that's what my religion says is right and I will go with that".

Being frank; it's not people in coutries / states where the population is generally philosophically and theologically aware that are at risk. It's women in places where the religion is devout, dogmatic and basic and what the pope says will be taken as gospel, full stop.

This is exactly my point ! Thanks TS

[Cherie]

That's right. But the argument here was about Catholics taking popes words as gospel.
Keep up Cherie :hee:

I haven't been following the thread, doubt there is anything here that hasn't been said before on one of the many Christian bashing threads so I just skim and don't read most of it

[Marsh.]

I haven't been following the thread, doubt there is anything here that hasn't been said before on one of the many Christian bashing threads so I just skim and don't read most of it

Correct.

[Cherie]

Correct.

Thought so :laugh:

[Twosugars]

I think Mokka's point (and I agree with her) is that many if not most Catholics will not follow those sorts of technicalities and will go with a broad "if the pope said it then that's what my religion says is right and I will go with that".

Being frank; it's not people in coutries / states where the population is generally philosophically and theologically aware that are at risk. It's women in places where the religion is devout, dogmatic and basic and what the pope says will be taken as gospel, full stop.

Give people some credit. Those who follow things to the letter probably simply agree with it. The church is not the police

[Twosugars]

Tbh unless we can come up with better starting point of human life than conception I cant see how we can avoid branding abortion murder. And as such it can only be justified if mothers life was in danger.

The whole solution to unwanted pregnancies needs to be firmly shifted to avoiding conception.
As a gay man I find it astonishing women often are bamboozled by men and let them not use the condom or cum inside as if it was some sort of God given right. Men bleat oh, with condom it's not the same or I cant help cumming. Like wtf? As if cumming outside wasnt more fun anyway :shrug:
Women seem to be not empowered enough to put these conditions on sex and then must resort to killing fetuses.
I know there are other circumstances like rape etc but my impression (maybe wrong) is that there's no equal sharing of the burden of avoiding pregnancy. Women are getting shafted.
Now tell me how wrong I am

[Marsh.]

Tbh unless we can come up with better starting point of human life than conception I cant see how we can avoid branding abortion murder. And as such it can only be justified if mothers life was in danger.

The whole solution to unwanted pregnancies needs to be firmly shifted to avoiding conception.
As a gay man I find it astonishing women often are bamboozled by men and let them not use the condom or cum inside as if it was some sort of God given right. Men bleat oh, with condom it's not the same or I cant help cumming. Like wtf? As if cumming outside wasnt more fun anyway :shrug:
Women seem to be not empowered enough to put these conditions on sex and then must resort to killing fetuses.
I know there are other circumstances like rape etc but my impression (maybe wrong) is that there's no equal sharing of the burden of avoiding pregnancy. Women are getting shafted.
Now tell me how wrong I am

Ok, I'm done. :joker:

[Niamh.]

An opinion on an opinion is different to trying to invalidate it.In my opinion his opinion is invalid [emoji4]

[Mokka]

Tbh unless we can come up with better starting point of human life than conception I cant see how we can avoid branding abortion murder. And as such it can only be justified if mothers life was in danger.

The whole solution to unwanted pregnancies needs to be firmly shifted to avoiding conception.
As a gay man I find it astonishing women often are bamboozled by men and let them not use the condom or cum inside as if it was some sort of God given right. Men bleat oh, with condom it's not the same or I cant help cumming. Like wtf? As if cumming outside wasnt more fun anyway :shrug:
Women seem to be not empowered enough to put these conditions on sex and then must resort to killing fetuses.
I know there are other circumstances like rape etc but my impression (maybe wrong) is that there's no equal sharing of the burden of avoiding pregnancy. Women are getting shafted.
Now tell me how wrong I am

There are cases where condoms dont work... it's not fully proof.

[Twosugars]

There are cases where condoms dont work... it's not fully proof.


Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

[Mokka]

Also, doesnt the catholic church still frown on any form of birth control as well?
We all see how abstinence works among their own leadership, :eyes: but that's the only option they are allowing here.

[Mokka]

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

My friend got pregnant twice using the pull out method... that is the most laughable form of birth control I know of

[Twosugars]

My friend got pregnant twice using the pull out method... that is the most laughable form of birth control I know of

Anal then? :shrug:

Whatever I suggest seems wrong:shrug:there must be a better way than killing fetuses

[Twosugars]

My friend got pregnant twice using the pull out method... that is the most laughable form of birth control I know of

Clearly they didn't do it right

[Mokka]

Anal then? :shrug:

Whatever I suggest seems wrong:shrug:there must be a better way than killing fetuses

They aren't fetuses when abortion happens... they are a cell mass

[Marsh.]

In my opinion his opinion is invalid [emoji4]

Was that before or after his opinion didn't match your own. :hee:

[Marsh.]

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot

That's still not a fool proof method. :joker:

[Twosugars]

They aren't fetuses when abortion happens... they are a cell mass

I'd need to verify that

[Niamh.]

Was that before or after his opinion didn't match your own. :hee:That was ever since he harboured criminals :hee:

[Niamh.]

Then for once mens obsession with porn would come in handy, do it like in the movies and pull out first and then shoot:/

[bots]

Also, doesnt the catholic church still frown on any form of birth control as well?
We all see how abstinence works among their own leadership, :eyes: but that's the only option they are allowing here.

rather than having abortions .... have fun with little boys seems to be the popes message