Boris Johnson to go on trial over lying during Brexit Campaign

[Smithy]

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Lock him up!!

[Niamh.]

Isn't that your new PM? :hehe:

[reece(:]

Imagine how surprised we are

[Cherie]

[QUOTE=Niamh.;10566310]Isn't that your new PM? :hehe:[/QUOTE
There are 11 possibles now, I can't see Boris becoming PM, I think there is some sort of campaign to stop him, why else are there so many applicants :laugh:

[Kazanne]

I'de like Rory Stewart to come out on top. Boris has been somewhat of a turncoat.

[Livia]

I'de like Rory Stewart to come out on top. Boris has been somewhat of a turncoat.

Somewhat.

He's the most educated idiot I've ever seen.

[Vicky.]

I'de like Rory Stewart to come out on top. Boris has been somewhat of a turncoat.

He would be my choice. I think its best though, if he steps back and alllows someone else the year or so it will take to hopefully sort brexit, THEN steps up when they immediately resign/are chucked because it wasnt all unicorns and rainbows..which if course it won't be, he would do much better. But this leader, same as May, is just there to allow whoever the next leader is to wipe their hands of it all..could say 'well I would have done this instead' and obviously..noone knows really and its easy to say in hindsight.

As for this lies thing, surely theres many more than just Boris. Not that seeing him punished for being a tit wouldn't please me somewhat mind :D

[Crimson Dynamo]

More court time wsted over sour grapes


:rolleyes:


let me make a wild prediction, nowt will happen

[arista]

Isn't that your new PM? :hehe:



Yes he could be.


Its just a visit to a Court
he will have a statement to say.

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-to-face-court-over-alleged-eu-referendum-misconduct-11730747

[Denver]

#WeStandWithBoJo

[Crimson Dynamo]

When you reach the top jealous people will always try and bring you down, human nature

witness the attacks on our Nigel

[Smithy]

When you reach the top jealous people will always try and bring you down, human nature

witness the attacks on our Nigel

Explains why so many people have been coming for me recently too I guess!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Explains why so many people have been coming for me recently too I guess!

I did not say it was the only reason


:fan:

[user104658]

More court time wsted over sour grapes


:rolleyes:


let me make a wild prediction, nowt will happen

The fact that it's happening at all (and will likely be ongoing when the next PM is selected) severely reduces the likelihood of him becoming PM. Which isn't really "nowt".

[arista]

This is a Northern Businessman
taking Boris to Court
he raised cash for this.


Boris has called it a Political stunt,
Expected to go to Crown Court.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The fact that it's happening at all (and will likely be ongoing when the next PM is selected) severely reduces the likelihood of him becoming PM. Which isn't really "nowt".

Its Boris, its just more publicity the other 10 cannot buy

[user104658]

Its Boris, its just more publicity the other 10 cannot buy

They're not going to let someone with an active court case against them for dishonesty be sworn in as PM. We're not that far down the rabbit hole yet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They're not going to let someone with an active court case against them for dishonesty be sworn in as PM. We're not that far down the rabbit hole yet.

its not quite as simple as that

[Twosugars]

This is a Northern Businessman
taking Boris to Court
he raised cash for this.


Boris has called it a Political stunt,
Expected to go to Crown Court.

I donated to this :hee:

[joeysteele]

I'de like Rory Stewart to come out on top. Boris has been somewhat of a turncoat.

A growing number seem to like him on here Kazanne.

Including myself.
I admired Rory before he was an MP but for me he is a breath of really good fresh air in politics.

It would surprise me if this case with Johnson really goes anywhere.
As has been said he wasn't the only one lying, on both sides.

[Cherie]

im hearing Rory hasnt got a cat in hells chance so I expect he will be the next PM

[bots]

The offence can lead to life imprisonment

sounds cool

[Elliot]

#istandwithracheljo

[Mitchell]

#istandwithracheljo

Tea!!

[LaLaLand]

So he basically says he's 100% going for No Deal if he gets in, seems to be "the" front-runner and then all of a sudden he's going on trial for something that happened three years ago which could seriously harm his chances of becoming PM... Coincidence I think not! Corruption is very real folks. :skull:

[& I don't want him to be PM but this is so obvious what's happening].

[Matthew.]

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[Greg!]

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[Twosugars]

So he basically says he's 100% going for No Deal if he gets in, seems to be "the" front-runner and then all of a sudden he's going on trial for something that happened three years ago which could seriously harm his chances of becoming PM... Coincidence I think not! Corruption is very real folks. :skull:

[& I don't want him to be PM but this is so obvious what's happening].

That case was in the pipeline since the referendum and went to court months before May resigned

[armand.kay]

I imagine bringing the judge tea and biscuits won't help much

[arista]

I donated to this :hee:



Yes I can recall Ts
you Jumped onto his Crowd Funding
he was busy on the 10AM LBC Live show.

[Tom4784]

Hopefully this will destroy his chances of becoming PM, he's a dangerous moron.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/10B85/production/_107158486_metro.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/15B35/production/_107158888_dailymirror.jpg

[Ammi]

Hopefully this will destroy his chances of becoming PM, he's a dangerous moron.

...it feels as if the timing of it is to specifically destroy his chances I would guess..?...

[Cherie]

...it feels as if the timing of it is to specifically destroy his chances I would guess..?...

Yes I think its very timely, that and the 11 bods who have come out of the woodwork to throw their hat in the ring when no one wanted the job 2 years ago :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

A leading Human Rights Barrister writes:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/29/17/14108036-7081793-image-a-1_1559146706168.jpg

and this view sums up this nasty, political, immature move perfectly:

The decision to summons Boris Johnson to a court hearing to explain comments he made during the EU referendum campaign
three years ago is an extraordinary and ill-advised incursion by the judiciary into the political arena. Mr Johnson, the front
runner in the contest to become Conservative Party leader, has been arraigned for “misconduct in public office” over the claim
that £350 million was sent by the UK each week to the EU. At the time, Mr Johnson was both an MP and Mayor of London, and
it is in these capacities that he is said to have broken the law.

The case was brought not by the police but through a private prosecution mounted by a Remain campaigner, Marcus Ball.
It is so evidently a political stunt intended to damage Mr Johnson’s leadership ambitions that it should have been dismissed.
But district judge Margot Coleman has ruled that there is a prima facie case to answer and Mr Johnson has been summonsed
to a hearing in the middle of the leadership election.


The offence of misconduct in a public office carries a maximum sentence of life and is triable only in a Crown Court on indictment.
The Court of Appeal has made it clear that the offence should be strictly confined because it can raise complex and sensitive issues.
Guidelines from the Crown Prosecution Service state that advice should be sought “to resolve any uncertainty as to whether it would be
appropriate to bring a prosecution for such an offence”.

However, this is not a case brought by the CPS, but by a private individual crowd-funded by internet donations amounting to £400,000.
It seems clear that this case does not pass the test for a criminal prosecution, otherwise why has it not been taken up by the CPS?

In her ruling, District Judge Coleman states that “as this is an unusual and exceptional application with a considerable public interest...
the principles of open justice required that the application be in open court.” But the point here, surely, is that this is not a crime but

It is not for the courts to impede free speech in this way. Furthermore, this is manifestly a vexatious misuse of the justice system
because the litigant must know the case will not succeed but relies on the process itself to inflict damage. This is a threat to democracy
and a higher court needs to strike the case down urgently.


Source: Telegraph

[bots]

if he is found guilty, it will set a very interesting precedent. It's a standard that I think all MP's should be held to. I'm all for more truthful debate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if he is found guilty, it will set a very interesting precedent. It's a standard that I think all MP's should be held to. I'm all for more truthful debate.

It will rightly be thrown out and perhaps that district judge will find herself doing less work..

[Oliver_W]

While I don't want him as PM, I thought the bus thing was "just a suggestion, not a promise" so he'd be in the clear?

[Crimson Dynamo]

While I don't want him as PM, I thought the bus thing was "just a suggestion, not a promise" so he'd be in the clear?

If you have a cursory look at what George Osborne "promised" then its rather difficult to take this whole thing seriously:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How Boris Johnson's accuser over Brexit spent donations on self-defence classes and special cupcakes

Only three years ago, then aged 26, he was a failed entrepreneur with a string of wound-up businesses to his name, living at home in Norwich with his family.


A source close to Boris Johnson said: "The claimant asserts that he is not motivated by politics. This is a blatant lie."

It was less than a year after founding the campaign, according to the accounts, that Mr Ball first dipped into the funds, loaning himself £1,000. Soon afterwards he informed his supporters that even more money was needed.

According to Brexit Justice’s accounts, published openly on their website, increasing amounts of money were taken out to pay for Mr Ball’s new life in London. Over the past 27 months, it emerges, he has spent more than £50,000.


Expenses include more than £6,000 to pay for the rent on a London apartment in a luxury tower block near Canary Wharf, a far cry from his parents’ home in Norwich.

“I chose a building which had security staff, security cameras outside and inside, as well as fitness facilities on site,” he explains in a note to his supporters.

“Some people may criticise me for spending so much on rent, but I don't regret this decision.”

Other payments from the fund include £120 on professional headshots of Mr Ball, as well as £333 on “self defence classes”.

“By protecting myself I protect our work,” Mr Ball explains.

He also spent £504 of campaign money on his personal mobile phone bill, as well as £120 on “two dozen cupcakes” branded with the Brexit Justice logo.




https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/29/man-wants-boris-johnson-court-brexit-lies-spent-thousands-self/

[Marsh.]

Terrible but that doesn't excuse Boris.

[Livia]

At least some people will benefit from this whole pantomime. Lawyers.

[Kazanne]

Didn't the Liberals at one point promise to do away with school fees or something like that , was anything done about that lie ? the timing of this is a bit dodgy, as much as Boris can be a tit ,we should have equality at least, this seems like sabotage.

[bots]

Politicians should be held accountable for what they say. I am all for Boris being challenged, and add a hundred more MP's to the list while they are at it

[Livia]

Didn't the Liberals at one point promise to do away with school fees or something like that , was anything done about that lie ? the timing of this is a bit dodgy, as much as Boris can be a tit ,we should have equality at least, this seems like sabotage.

For instance, I wait with breathless anticipation to see what's going to happen to Shami Chakrabarti when the The Equality and Human Rights Commission find there IS an anti-Semitism question to answer in the Labour Party, when she said quite clearly that there definitely wasn't.

[Greg!]

While I don't want him as PM, I thought the bus thing was "just a suggestion, not a promise" so he'd be in the clear?

The lie was that we send £360m a week to the EU. We don’t.

[bots]

Theresa should be hauled up in court immediately for promising a strong and stable government.

[Alf]

The lie was that we send £360m a week to the EU. We don’t.How much do we send?

[Livia]

How much does everyone think we send then?

I read that the Bruges Group estimates the real cost to us of being a member of the EU is more like £600 million + per week due to an complicated system of payment that the media largely ignores.

I'm quite looking forward to the trial, to be honest. It's going to be a lively one.

[Greg!]

How much do we send?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check/2016/may/23/does-the-eu-really-cost-the-uk-350m-a-week

This also doesn’t take into account the millions the EU gives back to us on projects the length and breadth of the UK, especially in places that voted leave

[Livia]

Quoting the Guardian is like quoting the Daily Mail, to be honest.

[Greg!]

Oh and we still have to send millions per week after we leave, so it was a poor and misleading argument anyway

[MTVN]

It's true that the £350m figure doesn't include the rebate that we get back from that figure but iirc we don't get to decide how that rebate is used so we still don't have control over that sum

I do think it was quite dubious to use that number for what it's worth but to try and criminalise it is nonsense unless youre now going to do that in every political campaign ever. The Remain campaign claimed leaving would cost every household £4300 a year for instance which was also based on dodgy economics

[Crimson Dynamo]

and it seems like this chap's motives were based on avarice and fame alone

someone on here i think said they sent him money D:

shocking

[bots]

The fundamental truth is that the UK is a net contributor to the EU. We give them more money than we get back. So the fundamental truth of his statement is correct. The figure he used was a treasury estimate, again, nothing wrong with using that as a figure on that basis. The arithmetic over exact figures is very complicated. If the treasury can't estimate it accurately, who can.

[Vicky.]

Politicians should be held accountable for what they say. I am all for Boris being challenged, and add a hundred more MP's to the list while they are at it

I agree with this I think, when outright lies are told then yeah, why not hold them accountable. I hope this happens to more lying MPs, of all stripes to..well basically hpefully change the whole 'lying slimy politician' stereotype that seems prevailant

[Withano]

Hope he loses. For the dramz.

[Ammi]

Hope he loses. For the dramz.

...I don’t think he could lose though...if he did it would surely mean that no political party ever could form a manifesto in case of an unfulfilled promise or intention..?...it’s an interesting one...

[Livia]

and it seems like this chap's motives were based on avarice and fame alone

someone on here i think said they sent him money D:

shocking

Twosugars gave him money.

And yes... avarice and fame.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7w7iJBXsAAPqdd.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree with this I think, when outright lies are told then yeah, why not hold them accountable. I hope this happens to more lying MPs, of all stripes to..well basically hpefully change the whole 'lying slimy politician' stereotype that seems prevailant

they are - its what is called the house of commons and the house of lords

[user104658]

...I don’t think he could lose though...if he did it would surely mean that no political party ever could form a manifesto in case of an unfulfilled promise or intention..?...it’s an interesting one...

There's a difference between an unfulfilled pro,ise and a lie, though, which obviously is in the intention. If something just turns out to be unfeasible or inaccurate, or just impractical, that's one thing. If it can be proven that the person KNEW the information they were giving out was false BEFORE they said it, that's a totally different matter.

[Beso]

This is a Northern Businessman
taking Boris to Court
he raised cash for this.


Boris has called it a Political stunt,
Expected to go to Crown Court.




Funded by anonymous donations on a fund me page....leaving the door wide open for Russian interference...labour interference and perhaps other leadership candidates interfering..

[Twosugars]

Funded by anonymous donations on a fund me page....leaving the door wide open for Russian interference...labour interference and perhaps other leadership candidates interfering..

not anonymous and I donated too
worth every penny to see that lying arsehole squirm :dance:


but speaking of dodgy donations, how is Nigel doing? He is the one being investigated :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

not anonymous and I donated too
worth every penny to see that lying arsehole squirm :dance:


but speaking of dodgy donations, how is Nigel doing? He is the one being investigated :laugh:

I cant believe you wasted your money to pay for this guys rent and food??

you have been conned m8te

[Twosugars]

I cant believe you wasted your money to pay for this guys rent and food??

you have been conned m8te

sorry, LT, but if you say white I've noticed time and again that black is the correct answer so :shrug:
not to mention it is none of your business what I do with my money

Btw, have you read Siege yet? Your idol, Steve Bannon is a major contributor, on the record.
I recommend it :laugh:

[arista]

not anonymous and I donated too
worth every penny to see that lying arsehole squirm :dance:


but speaking of dodgy donations, how is Nigel doing? He is the one being investigated :laugh:



Yes Crowd Funding
that's your money to waste


It will not stop Boris,

[Twosugars]

Yes Crowd Funding
that's your money to waste


It will not stop Boris,


:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes Crowd Funding
that's your money to waste


It will not stop Boris,


It will probably help him

[arista]

It will probably help him


Yes its a Left Winger Crowd Funded
waste of High Court time etc.,

[Beso]

not anonymous and I donated too
worth every penny to see that lying arsehole squirm :dance:


but speaking of dodgy donations, how is Nigel doing? He is the one being investigated :laugh:

Donations can be made annonomously, the bloke even admitted that that was open to some dodgy dealings....anyone could make the donations..absolutely anyone, and hide behind anninomity.

[MTVN]

The case has been thrown out by the High Court

[Twosugars]

Appeal? :hee:

[Northern Monkey]

I don’t think this would’ve ever had much chance tbh.

As much as we’d all love for politicians to be 100% honest.
I think the consequences of this would have opened the floodgates for more and more court time being used for prosecuting politicians who tell porkies. Which let’s be honest is very often.

[Twosugars]

He's been sacked for lying twice in his career. Now he is lying again, but the stakes are much higher

[Tom4784]

He's as much of a compulsive liar as his US twin.

[arista]

The case has been thrown out by the High Court




Yes I knew a Proper Judge would not waste time on it.


Twosugars wasted cash on Crowd Funding the Fool.

[Twosugars]

Yes I knew a Proper Judge would not waste time on it.


Twosugars wasted cash on Crowd Funding the Fool.

Disagree.
Publicity alone has been worth it.
That guy has done a good service to democracy. Liars like boris need confronting
Wonder if they can appeal :hee:

[arista]

Disagree.
Publicity alone has been worth it.
That guy has done a good service to democracy. Liars like boris need confronting
Wonder if they can appeal :hee:




Get you Wallet out again
go waste more Cash.


Boris could soon be your PM

[chuff me dizzy]

Thrown out of court and quashed !!

[Beso]

How much did you donate Twosugars?


I'm sure Riley and his marathon would have been a wiser donation for you.

[Twosugars]

50

[Twosugars]

Get you Wallet out again
go waste more Cash.


Boris could soon be your PM

if need be I will, I like that campaign :)

[arista]

Over £500,000
the lawyer says he has raised
he is on Ch4HD news

£6,000 spent on his flat


Marcus ball.

[joeysteele]

I didn't see this going anywhere really.

[Beso]

50

Ooft...That's what I donated to riley..a more worthwhile cause imo.