Twitter hate mob accuses John Cleese of racism for saying London is a global city

[Oliver_W]

Some years ago I opined that London was not really an English city any more (https://twitter.com/JohnCleese/status/1133604249693110272)

Since then, virtually all my friends from abroad have confirmed my observation So there must be some truth in it...

I note also that London was the UK city that voted most strongly to remain in the EU

The responses... (https://twitter.com/search?vertical=news&q=%22John%20Cleese%22&src=tren)

It's a bit silly to accuse John Cleese, who openly dislikes Trump, the Tories, and the Daily Mail and who votes for the Lib Dems of racism.

But no. He voiced the same opinion as Sadiq Kahn (that London is a global city) using different phraseology, and he's nothing but an evil gammon.... Of course.

[Livia]

It's not an English city anymore.

When I was in Rome last week the thing that struck me is the amount of Romans there. There were Italians working as waiters, in the shops, in our hotel... everywhere. I saw only a handful of Muslims who looked like tourists. The difference between Rome and London was shocking.

[Oliver_W]

Cleese didn't even say he thought it was a bad thing, people need to get a grip.


It's not an English city anymore.

When I was in Rome last week the thing that struck me is the amount of Romans there. There were Italians working as waiters, in the shops, in our hotel... everywhere. I saw only a handful of Muslims who looked like tourists. The difference between Rome and London was shocking.

Tsk tsk Livia, now we all know you're an evil ethnocentrist bigot!!!!!11111

[Twosugars]

It's not an English city anymore.

When I was in Rome last week the thing that struck me is the amount of Romans there. There were Italians working as waiters, in the shops, in our hotel... everywhere. I saw only a handful of Muslims who looked like tourists. The difference between Rome and London was shocking.

Tell that to native unemployed who refuse to work in the service sector

[Twosugars]

And all large cities in UK voted to remain not just London

[Livia]

Cleese didn't even say he thought it was a bad thing, people need to get a grip.




Tsk tsk Livia, now we all know you're an evil ethnocentrist bigot!!!!!11111

Oh I've been called a lot worse on here, Oliver. And look at all the ****s I give:
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[Barry.]

And all large cities in UK voted to remain not just London

Yes Scotland voted remain too.

[Liam-]

Just because the city is multicultural, doesn’t mean it’s not an English city.. it’s doesn’t change its geographical location because it has a load of foreign people living there.

Those foreigners taking our cities :fist:

[Livia]

But the majority of people voted leave.

[Matthew.]

Yes Scotland voted remain too.

We did THAT

[Mitchell]

Yes Scotland voted remain too.

Love Scotland :love:

[Twosugars]

But the majority of people voted leave.

You know you can leave eu and still be in the common market and custom union.

I don't think the people specified how they want to leave so

[Twosugars]

We did THAT

Gotta love Scotland

[Tom4784]

The hate is silly but so is the original quote. The UK has always been a multicultural country ever since we rose up from mud shacks. The Anglo Saxons, Romans and the Vikings all left their marks on the country and our development into who we are now and the empire made us a global presence which also brought a lot of people from around the globe to the UK. UK culture taking on aspects of other cultures has been a part of the UK's DNA for pretty much the entirety of our growth as a nation.

[bots]

London was not always multi cultural, that is just plain wrong. Even in my lifetime it was not multi cultural. Yes, there may have been people from overseas, that doesn't mean the basic english culture was changed. Now, in London, it's all become integrated and intermingled, which I think is a good thing, but that simply wasn't the case a few years ago

[Smithy]

“Hate mob”

Dnnfnfnfna

[Crimson Dynamo]

You cant somehow compare aggressive war invasions thousands of years ago to what has happened bin the last 40 years with mass unrestricted immigration.

Go look at some YouTube videos of London in the 7os, I would post some but am mobile, and you will see Cleese is right

[arista]

The responses... (https://twitter.com/search?vertical=news&q=%22John%20Cleese%22&src=tren)

It's a bit silly to accuse John Cleese, who openly dislikes Trump, the Tories, and the Daily Mail and who votes for the Lib Dems of racism.

But no. He voiced the same opinion as Sadiq Kahn (that London is a global city) using different phraseology, and he's nothing but an evil gammon.... Of course.


John is Old now
and living in the West Indies
Of course London is a Global City

[Marsh.]

You cant somehow compare aggressive war invasions thousands of years ago to what has happened bin the last 40 years with mass unrestricted immigration.

Go look at some YouTube videos of London in the 7os, I would post some but am mobile, and you will see Cleese is right

"Things have changed in 40 years shocker!"

If you go back 40 years before the 70s you'll see it's completely different again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Things have changed in 40 years shocker!"

If you go back 40 years before the 70s you'll see it's completely different again.

Not in any noticeable racial mix you won't, only the vehicles change

[Marsh.]

only the vehicles change

Sure Jan.

[chuff me dizzy]

John Cleese is right ,go into any city or large town ( esp in the north) and you will see that he's right ...and London is out of control now

[GiRTh]

Whats an English City? when Chicken Tikka Masala is the most popular dish in the country, the corner shop is now a British tradition and the children of the Windrush generation are having children of their own.

[Marsh.]

John Cleese is right ,go into any city or large town ( esp in the north) and you will see that he's right ...and London is out of control now

A lovely mix of people. :love:

[UserSince2005]

Every morning when I get on the tube I’m the only beautiful blue eyed Brit on the carriage. I like it. I feel so special.

[Crimson Dynamo]

John Cleese is right ,go into any city or large town ( esp in the north) and you will see that he's right ...and London is out of control now

Totally

[chuff me dizzy]

Totally

Like Livia rightly says, you go abroad you are served by the locals, you go to London and you never hear an English voice !!

[Mitchell]

I like it, I’ve met many friends in London from other countries such as Italy, Sweden, France, Germany and America, all of whom are very friendly, lovely and working incredibly hard towards their future careers and are paying their way with their university fees :)

[Marsh.]

you go to London and you never hear an English voice !!

Well, this is just false.

[Ammi]

...it’s an English city that embraces multi culture and to describe it as global surely is a good thing ...as Girth said...what is an English city...?...it’s a blend of all the cultures who live there...and London is a leading example of the diversity a city should have...

[Liam-]

I’d rather live in a city with a load of friendly foreigners than a bunch of racist white folks

[Marsh.]

I’d rather live in a city with a load of friendly foreigners than a bunch of racist white folks

:clap1:

[GiRTh]

...it’s an English city that embraces multi culture and to describe it as global surely is a good thing ...as Girth said...what is an English city...?...it’s a blend of all the cultures who live there...and London is a leading example of the diversity a city should have...The multi cultural nature of this country has been around for more decades than most TiBB members so I dont get why it seems like they've only just noticed it. :shrug:

[chuff me dizzy]

I’d rather live in a city with a load of friendly foreigners than a bunch of racist white folks

I wouldn't

[Liam-]

I wouldn't

Well I for one, am shocked to the core

[Marsh.]

I wouldn't

You'd prefer racists to friendly people?

:think:

[Tom4784]

I wouldn't

Well, at least you're honest about your racism. It serves as a good red flag for everyone else.

To say you'd prefer hateful racists over friendly people just because of their skin colour or nationality.... Grim.

[Oliver_W]

I wouldn't live in any city, they're made of headaches ... but I'm a countrysider pretty much.

I'd live in a village or small town regardless of who the people were, as long as it had a good community

[arista]

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[Livia]

Cleese is right. My whole family has slowly moved out of east London, my father's side had been there for generations, but now they've gone along with all the other white people. The BBC made a programme about it, "The Last Whites of the East London", it makes for uncomfortable watching, especially if you think I'm a racist just for saying this. . I look at pictures of when I was at school, there was a good mix of people, black, white, Asian... if you look at a picture of the school now there are no white faces at all. I'm told by liberals that people want to live with their own communities. And that's fine, so long as those people who want to live in their own communities aren't white people, because then they're called racists twats.

So everyone here saying London is vibrant and multicultured (it used to be, now it's a foreign city, pretty much), I hope your own area is taken over as quickly as mine was. Then come back and tell me you love it.

[Kazanne]

Cleese is right. My whole family has slowly moved out of east London, my father's side had been there for generations, but now they've gone along with all the other white people. The BBC made a programme about it, "The Last Whites of the East London", it makes for uncomfortable watching, especially if you think I'm a racist just for saying this. . I look at pictures of when I was at school, there was a good mix of people, black, white, Asian... if you look at a picture of the school now there are no white faces at all. I'm told by liberals that people want to live with their own communities. And that's fine, so long as those people who want to live in their own communities aren't white people, because then they're called racists twats.

So everyone here saying London is vibrant and multicultured (it used to be, now it's a foreign city, pretty much), I hope your own area is taken over as quickly as mine was. Then come back and tell me you love it.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: You put it so much better than I could. my family are originally from Birmingham,they all moved out over the years.

[arista]

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[Livia]

Oh tell them to bugger off Mr Cleese.

[armand.kay]

Rihanna is in London now so clearly its better.

[arista]

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[bots]

comedian tells joke

[arista]

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John back in October
saying why he left London.

[Marsh.]

He's only paid tax since the age of 27? :think:

[arista]

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March 2018 NYC.

[Ammi]

...he’s chosen to ‘boycott’ this country and live overseas...so he’s not really an objective voice is my thought...just projecting his bias out there...

[Marsh.]

...he’s chosen to ‘boycott’ this country and live overseas...so he’s not really an objective voice is my thought...just projecting his bias out there...

There is a certain irony to his complaining about foreigners flocking to another country whilst he himself is an expat to another.

[Vanessa]

The Twitter mob can be so embarrassing! :facepalm:

[Livia]

He's only paid tax since the age of 27? :think:

He was at uni till he was 25-ish. Studied law at Cambridge. All the best people do.

[Livia]

The Twitter mob can be so embarrassing! :facepalm:

Yes they can. That's the trouble with Twitter and the Internet generally, it gives a platform to the ignorant and the biased. And I mean on all sides.

[arista]

...he’s chosen to ‘boycott’ this country and live overseas...so he’s not really an objective voice is my thought...just projecting his bias out there...

No at 79
he could not stand the Winters.


Watch the GMBHD itv video
if you have time Ammi.

[Livia]

What a shame when someone like Cleese is cut down by some no marks on Twitter.

[Ammi]

No at 79
he could not stand the Winters.

...no the winters are not the reason he’s stated in anything I’ve read, Arista...:laugh:...he seems to be quite anti and biased about this country so isn’t really an objective voice I would say...

[Marsh.]

He was at uni till he was 25-ish. Studied law at Cambridge. All the best people do.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/tXeGGWcmPJ2wM/giphy.gif

[arista]

...no the winters are not the reason he’s stated in anything I’ve read, Arista...:laugh:...he seems to be quite anti and biased about this country so isn’t really an objective voice I would say...


Thats why he left the UK last November


And on London
he is talking in Cultural Terms
Angry British Blacks have tried to mix up his tweets

[Marsh.]

Thats why he left the UK


And on London
he is talking in Cultural Terms
Angry British Blacks have tried to mix up his tweets

He left Britain for Hollywood to marry a string of American actresses.

[arista]

He left Britain for Hollywood to marry a string of American actresses.


Yes cost him Big Money

[Livia]

Yes cost him Big Money

He's had some of the most expensive sex in history.

[Ammi]

Thats why he left the UK


And on London
he is talking in Cultural Terms
Angry British Blacks have tried to mix up his tweets

... No Arista...when he was asked directly why he was leaving the U.K..?...his response began ..’because I’m so disappointed with so much about this country...’...and went on to detail some of his ‘gripes’...he’s not someone who holds this country in high regard so not someone who is objective...

[Livia]

... No Arista...when he was asked directly why he was leaving the U.K..?...his response began ..’because I’m so disappointed with so much about this country...’...and went on to detail some of his ‘gripes’...he’s not someone who holds this country in high regard so not someone who is objective...

By the same token Ammi, there are plenty of people on this forum who bang on daily about how rubbish this country is, and how everything's messed up, how English culture is meaningless... etc. etc. . They would still think themselves objective though.

Hey - and by the way/ I will PM you eventually, I promise! x

[arista]

... No Arista...when he was asked directly why he was leaving the U.K..?...his response began ..’because I’m so disappointed with so much about this country...’...and went on to detail some of his ‘gripes’...he’s not someone who holds this country in high regard so not someone who is objective...


Yes Blame Resigned Prime Minister May

[Ammi]

...poor Theresa...yada yada, always the female’s fault...shame on you, Arista, baby..:laugh:..

[Ammi]

By the same token Ammi, there are plenty of people on this forum who bang on daily about how rubbish this country is, and how everything's messed up, how English culture is meaningless... etc. etc. . They would still think themselves objective though.

Hey - and by the way/ I will PM you eventually, I promise! x

....eeeek I’m just going to stick with John Cleese..:laugh:...my thoughts are that he’s not very objective and although I've likes his comedy...?..I’ve always found him generally a moaner and very negative...(...quite bad tempered actually, a bit Basil Fawlty..)...

[Livia]

....eeeek I’m just going to stick with John Cleese..:laugh:...my thoughts are that he’s not very objective and although I've likes his comedy...?..I’ve always found him generally a moaner and very negative...(...quite bad tempered actually, a bit Basil Fawlty..)...

I see him as a bit of a Basil too. I'm a huge fan but I bet he's bloody insufferable in real life.

[Marsh.]

He's had some of the most expensive sex in history.

:joker:

[Marsh.]

Yeah, as a person he has a very grumpy reputation. Was it him or one of the others that always caused issues in the Monty Python reunions?

[Marsh.]

By the same token Ammi, there are plenty of people on this forum who bang on daily about how rubbish this country is, and how everything's messed up, how English culture is meaningless... etc. etc. . They would still think themselves objective though.

Hey - and by the way/ I will PM you eventually, I promise! x

Isn't that all the same opinion though? They can objectively think the entire country is ****ed up?

[Livia]

Isn't that all the same opinion though? They can objectively think the entire country is ****ed up?

I never said they were unobjective, only that, if Cleese is, then everyone who criticises is.

I left the decision whether they all are, or whether none of them are, up to you.

[Livia]

Yeah, as a person he has a very grumpy reputation. Was it him or one of the others that always caused issues in the Monty Python reunions?

I think it was mainly him. He's not my favourite Python though. It's all the others, and then him.

[Oliver_W]

There is a certain irony to his complaining about foreigners flocking to another country whilst he himself is an expat to another.

How do you know he was complaining?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not Cleese actually being around in the 60s and 70s to make a comparison unlike the twitter mob who cant even remember when Doctor Leg was in Eastenders


:joker:

[Marsh.]

How do you know he was complaining?

Because he's complaining. :unsure: Keep up.

[Marsh.]

Not Cleese actually being around in the 60s and 70s to make a comparison unlike the twitter mob who cant even remember when Doctor Leg was in Eastenders


:joker:

It's easy to assume twitter is all one young generation. I did too. You'd be surprised at the large mix of ages. Middle aged and older people are on it too. :thumbs:

[Kazanne]

I don't know why it bothers people so much as most are happy to run GB down about various things they think is wrong about it, so you'de think he'de be being cheered, funny old lot the Brits. Personally I think it's one of the best countries to live in, but we are little too soft.

[Livia]

I don't know why it bothers people so much as most are happy to run GB down about various things they think is wrong about it, so you'de think he'de be being cheered, funny old lot the Brits. Personally I think it's one of the best countries to live in, but we are little too soft.

It's mad isn't it. It's okay to run down the country so long as you don't mention anything might aggravate the lefties or the liberals otherwise you're a filthy racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's easy to assume twitter is all one young generation. I did too. You'd be surprised at the large mix of ages. Middle aged and older people are on it too. :thumbs:

i am talking specifically about the hate mob, not all twitter

of course

[Oliver_W]

Because he's complaining. :unsure: Keep up.
All he did was say "it's not really an English city". He didn't follow this with "and that's terrible!"

So he wasn't complaining about it.

[Kazanne]

It's mad isn't it. It's okay to run down the country so long as you don't mention anything might aggravate the lefties or the liberals otherwise you're a filthy racist.

It's madness :laugh:

[Marsh.]

i am talking specifically about the hate mob, not all twitter

of course

The hate mob is ALL young people who didn't experience the 60s or 70s?

You took a census?

[Marsh.]

All he did was say "it's not really an English city". He didn't follow this with "and that's terrible!"

So he wasn't complaining about it.

Yes he was. He even clarified he wasn't being racist but culturalist - making his observation a negative one.

[bots]

Yes he was. He even clarified he wasn't being racist but culturalist - making his observation a negative one.

making his observation exactly what it was, an observation

[Marsh.]

making his observation exactly what it was, an observation

It's not a comment you make publicly just because. He was making a complaint. He doesn't like it. That part isn't up for debate.

[Smithy]

All he did was say "it's not really an English city". He didn't follow this with "and that's terrible!"

So he wasn't complaining about it.

How isn’t it an English City?

Because there’s brown people there? Brown people can be English

[Oliver_W]

How isn’t it an English City?

Because there’s brown people there? Brown people can be English

Did I say I agreed, or was I just quoting him? He has a twitter if you have any questions for him x

[chuff me dizzy]

It's mad isn't it. It's okay to run down the country so long as you don't mention anything might aggravate the lefties or the liberals otherwise you're a filthy racist.

:clap1:

[GiRTh]

Cleese is right. My whole family has slowly moved out of east London, my father's side had been there for generations, but now they've gone along with all the other white people. The BBC made a programme about it, "The Last Whites of the East London", it makes for uncomfortable watching, especially if you think I'm a racist just for saying this. . I look at pictures of when I was at school, there was a good mix of people, black, white, Asian... if you look at a picture of the school now there are no white faces at all. I'm told by liberals that people want to live with their own communities. And that's fine, so long as those people who want to live in their own communities aren't white people, because then they're called racists twats.

So everyone here saying London is vibrant and multicultured (it used to be, now it's a foreign city, pretty much), I hope your own area is taken over as quickly as mine was. Then come back and tell me you love it.You've mentioned that show a few times on the forum; I cant find it, do you have a link or would you like to sum up for us the best points made?

[GiRTh]

All he did was say "it's not really an English city". He didn't follow this with "and that's terrible!"

So he wasn't complaining about it.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Cherie]

You've mentioned that show a few times on the forum; I cant find it, do you have a link or would you like to sum up for us the best points made?

I just googled it and its on Iplayer I think

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czw5k

that is from 2016 so maybe not though

[GiRTh]

I just googled it and its on Iplayer I think

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czw5k

that is from 2016 so maybe not thoughIt hasnt been available on iplayer since 2016. There is not much on youtube either.

[Cherie]

It hasnt been available on iplayer since 2016. There is not much on youtube either.

This is the blurb, I would really like to see it

Newham in London's East End is home to a tight-knit white working-class community who have lived there for centuries. But over the past 15 years something extraordinary has happened to this cockney tribe - more than half of them have disappeared. Now the few who remain are struggling to hold on to their identity in the place they have always called home.

Newham has been shaped by immigration for generations, but the past 15 years have been defined by it, as Newham welcomed the highest numbers of new residents anywhere in the country. At the same time more than half the white British population have vanished - breaking apart the tight-knit families their community was built on.

A decade of mass immigration and 'white flight' has brought Newham to its tipping point, and now Newham has the lowest white British population of anywhere in the UK.

Filmed over several months, this documentary records the thoughts, feelings and experiences of the white residents of Newham, as they leave the place where they've grown up.

From young mum Leanne, who has made the difficult decision to leave her tight-knit extended family in search of 'a better life' in Essex, to mixed-race Tony who wants to find somewhere to bring up his baby daughter that feels more like what he knows, these are the stories of people who are struggling with rapid change.

Many cling on to the past, fighting to keep the last places going where the white community meet, like Peter Bell, manager of the East Ham Working Men's Club. This is now a hidden world of tea dances, boxing and drinking in the last club left - an oasis for those left behind.

This thoughtful, reflective film hears these voices for the first time. It uncovers what it really feels like to have society change around you.

[Oliver_W]

This is the blurb, I would really like to see it

Newham in London's East End is home to a tight-knit white working-class community who have lived there for centuries. But over the past 15 years something extraordinary has happened to this cockney tribe - more than half of them have disappeared. Now the few who remain are struggling to hold on to their identity in the place they have always called home.

Newham has been shaped by immigration for generations, but the past 15 years have been defined by it, as Newham welcomed the highest numbers of new residents anywhere in the country. At the same time more than half the white British population have vanished - breaking apart the tight-knit families their community was built on.

A decade of mass immigration and 'white flight' has brought Newham to its tipping point, and now Newham has the lowest white British population of anywhere in the UK.

Filmed over several months, this documentary records the thoughts, feelings and experiences of the white residents of Newham, as they leave the place where they've grown up.

From young mum Leanne, who has made the difficult decision to leave her tight-knit extended family in search of 'a better life' in Essex, to mixed-race Tony who wants to find somewhere to bring up his baby daughter that feels more like what he knows, these are the stories of people who are struggling with rapid change.

Many cling on to the past, fighting to keep the last places going where the white community meet, like Peter Bell, manager of the East Ham Working Men's Club. This is now a hidden world of tea dances, boxing and drinking in the last club left - an oasis for those left behind.

This thoughtful, reflective film hears these voices for the first time. It uncovers what it really feels like to have society change around you.

Do you know how long it was? I found this while googling around, but it's only just over half hour.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6th7ez

[GiRTh]

This is the blurb, I would really like to see it

Newham in London's East End is home to a tight-knit white working-class community who have lived there for centuries. But over the past 15 years something extraordinary has happened to this cockney tribe - more than half of them have disappeared. Now the few who remain are struggling to hold on to their identity in the place they have always called home.

Newham has been shaped by immigration for generations, but the past 15 years have been defined by it, as Newham welcomed the highest numbers of new residents anywhere in the country. At the same time more than half the white British population have vanished - breaking apart the tight-knit families their community was built on.

A decade of mass immigration and 'white flight' has brought Newham to its tipping point, and now Newham has the lowest white British population of anywhere in the UK.

Filmed over several months, this documentary records the thoughts, feelings and experiences of the white residents of Newham, as they leave the place where they've grown up.

From young mum Leanne, who has made the difficult decision to leave her tight-knit extended family in search of 'a better life' in Essex, to mixed-race Tony who wants to find somewhere to bring up his baby daughter that feels more like what he knows, these are the stories of people who are struggling with rapid change.

Many cling on to the past, fighting to keep the last places going where the white community meet, like Peter Bell, manager of the East Ham Working Men's Club. This is now a hidden world of tea dances, boxing and drinking in the last club left - an oasis for those left behind.

This thoughtful, reflective film hears these voices for the first time. It uncovers what it really feels like to have society change around you.Yeah read that too :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

Do you know how long it was? I found this while googling around, but it's only just over half hour.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6th7ezThanks :thumbs:

I've got my hankies ready. I'm sure it'll make me cry:wink:

[Ammi]

...good find Oliver...I’m watching it now...

[GiRTh]

:laugh:

Four minutes in and here we go already 'Its not like the old days, everyone knew everyone'.

I might save this for later. I think I'm gonna enjoy it. Dont think I need the hankies, gotta funny feeling I'm gonna be chuckling all the way thru.

[Cherie]

Do you know how long it was? I found this while googling around, but it's only just over half hour.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6th7ez

I think it said 45 minutes but Livia can tell us if that is it

[GiRTh]

I think it said 45 minutes but Livia can tell us if that is it
The thing I'm watching is 36 minutes long.

[GiRTh]

Seven minutes in 'Christian values have gone'. I nearly fell off my seat :laugh:

[Ammi]

...’mooslims’...mooslims don’t drink do they...:laugh:..

[GiRTh]

...’mooslims’...mooslims don’t drink do they...:laugh:..I know. Its unintentionally brilliant.:laugh:

[GiRTh]

The player who took a bite out of a banana was Dani Alves and it was only a couple of years ago :conf:

[GiRTh]

Eileen is moving out due to the death of her husband to be near her daughter. When are we gonna see the ones who are being 'pushed out' of their homes?

[Ammi]

...yeah I’ll watch it over the course of the evening as I’m doing some stuff as well...the inference that the pubs were closing down because the ‘mooslims don’t drink’, when I would say austerity and poverty which many people in the U.K. have experienced would be the reason...and the description of ‘these are proper Eastenders’...

[GiRTh]

'You see it on Eastenders with the Masoods' :laugh: OMG I need oxygen.

That lady needed to shut up cuz I was giggling and chuckling all the way thru her speech on how 'we all kept to our own' and how she 'wouldn't be happy' if her daughter dated a non Caucasian boy. Lets hope her daughters not gay andbrings home a black girl cuz that might push her off the edge

It always intrigues me to see this kind of attitude. I find it more laughable than disturbing.

[Marsh.]

See what on EE with the Masoods?

They're probably as un-Muslim as it gets. Frequently in the pub drinking alcohol, bacon sarnies for breakfast, affairs, fighting in the street. Just like the white characters. :laugh:

[GiRTh]

See what on EE with the Masoods?

They're probably as un-Muslim as it gets. Frequently in the pub drinking alcohol, bacon sarnies for breakfast, affairs, fighting in the street. Just like the white characters. :laugh:Brilliant the way she picked out one thing to make her point :laugh:

EDIT - Didnt answer the question. She was making the point that on EE the Masoods didnt like one of their children dating a non-Muslim.

[GiRTh]

Watched it all now and not good, oh dear.

I dont think the people were racist but I found some of the attitudes to be as dodgy as f*(*k. I found the mixed race guy who didnt want his daughter to go to school where she would be a minority to actually be quite disturbing. He talked of her losing her 'identity' . She needs to find her own identity.

Thanks for the link but that show failed to show either the necessary sympathy for the people moving and failed to show how this is not entirely their choice. The show failed to show how the people are being 'pushed out'

[Ammi]

....awwww Eileen and Albert...leaving their home would have been such a difficult decision for her to make...but one that many older people have to make when they lose their life partner...:sad:...

[GiRTh]

Have you watched all of it Ammi?

[Ammi]

...I think I have around 10 minutes left..it’s always lovely to see all of the children learning and interacting together in schools..:lovedup:..and as she said, children don’t see colour...but so sad that this represents a school that the father didn’t feel he wanted to send his daughter to because he was worried she may lose her identity..:sad:...look at all of those children learning together and bonding...

[GiRTh]

...I think I have around 10 minutes left..it’s always lovely to see all of the children learning and interacting together in schools..:lovedup:..and as she said, children don’t see colour...but so sad that this represents a school that the father didn’t feel he wanted to send his daughter to because he was worried she may lose her identity..:sad:...look at all of those children learning together and bonding...He was one of the few who actually depressed me a little. As the offspring of an immigrant its hard to see where that attitude comes from in him.

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure what to say really, the landscape of where people spend their childhood is always going to look so different when they’re then looking at it through the eyes of their own children and their grandchildren etc...populations rise, areas are built on more, building faces change and become unrecognisable from what they used to be...?...it’s a constant changing thing but not in any type of negative way...they had their personal reasons for leaving and Eileen who was the eldest..?...she had a lovely bond and friendship with her Somalian neighbours but just needed to be closer to her family...

[Ammi]

...it was an interesting watch, thanks for that Oliver..:love:..

[GiRTh]

...I’m not sure what to say really, the landscape of where people spend their childhood is always going to look so different when they’re then looking at it through the eyes of their own children and their grandchildren etc...populations rise, areas are built on more, building faces change and become unrecognisable from what they used to be...?...it’s a constant changing thing but not in any type of negative way...they had their personal reasons for leaving and Eileen who was the eldest..?...she had a lovely bond and friendship with her Somalian neighbours but just needed to be closer to her family...Oh yeah, I forgot Eileen had Somalian neighbours and mentioned how much she liked them.

I agree the constant changing environment in this country is too often viewed in a negative way.

[GiRTh]

...it was an interesting watch, thanks for that Oliver..:love:..Yes, thank Oliver. Have you and Cherie watched it yet?

[Oliver_W]

Yes, thank Oliver. Have you and Cherie watched it yet?

I'm not going to watch it - I don't particularly care either way about London, I'm not a city person.

[Ammi]

...Eeeek she would be upset or disappointed if her daughter brought home a non Caucasian partner...?...she would probably freak at my extended family then...

[GiRTh]

I'm not going to watch it - I don't particularly care either way about London, I'm not a city person.OK seems fair :thumbs:

[Ammi]

I'm not going to watch it - I don't particularly care either way about London, I'm not a city person.

...thanks for finding it anyway, Oliver...it’s appreciated...

[GiRTh]

...Eeeek she would be upset or disappointed if her daughter brought home a non Caucasian partner...?...she would probably freak at my extended family then...She cracked me up from the moment she said 'Its not like the old days, everyone knew everyone' :laugh: or whateverthe****** she said at the beginning. Lets not put that lady on Tv again cuz I dont think she speaks for anyone. She was just an embarrassment.:shrug:

[Ammi]

She cracked me up from the moment she said 'Its not like the old days, everyone knew everyone' :laugh: or whateverthe****** she said at the beginning. Lets not put that lady on Tv again cuz I dont think she speaks for anyone. She was just an embarrassment.:shrug:

...thing is nothing is like ‘the old days’ for anyone and everyone looking back on their childhood and it’ll be the same for our children and our children’s children and on it goes and on it goes...it’s not a cultural thing, it’s just ever evolving and changing landscapes and people, which every neighbourhood needs...

[Cherie]

Yes, thank Oliver. Have you and Cherie watched it yet?

I have watched half of it, the white family aren’t sitting well with me :umm2: we stick to our own, it was interesting what the Osman said about his children not experiencing British culture, Tony was an interesting watch as well, will watch the rest later

[GiRTh]

...thing is nothing is like ‘the old days’ for anyone and everyone looking back on their childhood and it’ll be the same for our children and our children’s children and on it goes and on it goes...it’s not a cultural thing, it’s just ever evolving and changing landscapes and people, which every neighbourhood needs...Agree. You hear it all the times people wanting to go back to some bygone era where there was some kind of racial Utopia. The following timeline says otherwise.

1968 - Enoch Powell Rivers of blood speech
1979 - Thatcher rises to power on the back of a speech where she said this country is being 'swamped' - her exact words - by people from oversees.
1981- Brixton and Toxteth riots.
1985 - Murder of PC Blakelock
1993 - Murder of Stephen Lawrence.

I'd like to know when was the period when everyone was getting on :conf:

[GiRTh]

I have watch half of it, the white family aren’t sitting well with me : umm2: we stick to our own, it was interesting what the Asian man said about his children not experiencing British culture, Tony was an interesting watch as well, will watch the rest laterA few of that family seemed OK but the one lady who had too much to say embarrassed herself, unfortunately.

[Ammi]

Agree. You hear it all the times people wanting to go back to some bygone era where there was some kind of racial Utopia. The following timeline says otherwise.

1968 - Enoch Powell Rivers of blood speech
1979 - Thatcher rises to power on the back of a speech where she said this country is being 'swamped' - her exact words - by people from oversees.
1981- Brixton and Toxteth riots.
1985 - Murder of PC Blakelock
1993 - Murder of Stephen Lawrence.

I'd like to know when was the period when everyone was getting on :conf:

...it is just how times change in general...as a child..?...my relationship with people in my street/neighbourhood was not the same as my sons’ childhood relationships with our neighbours ...and it’ll differ vastly if they have children as well..it really is just necessary changes over decades...but yeah it was touched on in the vid by the Asian guy who was fifth generation...the derogatory terms which had been used to him through his life from when he was a child, which is something my sister in law..(as a Sikh) has experienced through her life also...

[GiRTh]

...it is just how times change in general...as a child..?...my relationship with people in my street/neighbourhood was not the same as my sons’ childhood relationships with our neighbours ...and it’ll differ vastly if they have children as well..it really is just necessary changes over decades...but yeah it was touched on in the vid by the Asian guy who was fifth generation...the derogatory terms which had been used to him through his life from when he was a child, which is something my sister in law..(as a Sikh) has experienced through her life also...Did he say people no longer say those things to him? I'll have to give it a re-watch

[GiRTh]

Watching agqain cuz I'm now officially fascinated by this programme.

18.45 'We was never allowed to mix with different cultures'. I missed this on first view cuz I was too busy laughing at her comparison with the Masoods in EE. Its a 28 year old saying this. Filmed in 2016 so we're talking about someone who was born late 80's. Suddenly I find this a bit more disturbing. Why were this family encouraged to 'Stick to their own' during the 90's and 00's when immigrants have been in this country since the 50's?

[Tom4784]

Racists have always and will always complain about **** like this, racists who claim that english culture is being destroyed when they don't even know their own history or the origins of the varied culture we enjoy now.

[Cherie]

Racists have always and will always complain about **** like this, racists who claim that english culture is being destroyed when they don't even know their own history or the origins of the varied culture we enjoy now.

Have you watched the programme the final word was with a Pakastani man who has lived in the East End since he was 13 and he said the British culture in the area was being eradicated and would be gone completely in 10 years

[Cherie]

watched the whole thing now, it was very thought provoking, Eileen had lovely neighbours and didn't want to move but had no choice because her children had already moved and she was moving to be near them so in effect someone who was forced to move rather than really wanting to move. The balance of the area has shifted, just 3 white British children per class of 30, 146 different languages and a new child coming once a week with no English (though I find the once a week thing a bit hard to believe given classes are full and they would have to wait for a place?) I agreed with the Head teacher that children don't see religion or colour, however its in the broad scheme of things that there are issues as the cultures do not mix socially very much, I have had experience of this myself with my kids who went to a predominantly Asian school, the Asian kids are being tutored or at mosque or the families don't want them mixing with white/black families as they don't want any issues withboyfriends/girlfriends from different backgrounds and pre marriage pregnancies are very much frowned upon so they keep a tight rein on who their children mix with, the same goes for different religions the Sikhs want to keep to themselves as well and don't want to mix with the muslims etc, what Osman said was true enough he was picked on as a kid for being different but was then accepted as his friends got to know him and realised he liked the same things, but there were pressures on him as he said himself he had to live a dual life, being one thing at home and another with his friends, the British born people in Newham lost their places to socialise and mix as a community as the area changed and pubs closed, and its a pressure thing as well, like the Mother in the clip said ...people asking...you don't still live around here do you? although I did have to laugh as the daughter is moving to Raleigh so its hard the end of the world for them :laugh: I think Newham is a prime example of an area where the balance has shifted too much, multi culture should mean just that, multi....however humans will generally try to stick to what they know, when the Irish came in the 50s and 60s there were Irish areas and Irish clubs etc, I suppose the difference was the Irish did cross marry but that is not happening in these new communities...a good watch thank you Livia and Oliver for finding it.

[Ammi]

...It was a strange one what the Indian guy felt about ‘British Culture’ back in the day ...the somehow nostalgia of it..?...because it was back in the day that he spoke of racism toward him from the neighbourhood...and then as he said ...people accepted him for the person he was and stopped focusing on his culture and any differences in culture...I don’t see that as being any different to the here and now...it’s sadly not always that everyone looks beyond culture and cultural dress etc and at the individual...actually looking at who their neighbour is as a person, which is surely the only thing of importance...as with Eileen and her Somalian neighbours ...who she wishes the world was full of neighbours as lovely as them..:love:...

[Alf]

Racists have always and will always complain about **** like this, racists who claim that english culture is being destroyed when they don't even know their own history or the origins of the varied culture we enjoy now."Varied culture we enjoy now" So you're pretty much in agreement with Clease and what he's saying, right?

And by enjoying it now, does that mean we didn't enjoy it before now?

[Cherie]

I was also reminded of a story my bro in law told me, that he ran into a couple from Norfolk while out walking in County Galway last week, and they have moved from Norfolk because of the influx of Londoners :joker:

My son has just bought a flat in Norwich :oh: I hope he didn't mean him :oh:

[Ammi]

...when I was in Norwich a few weeks ago...it was the word on the street about these young people coming in buying all of their flats with their foreign money and such the like..:fan:...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Agree. You hear it all the times people wanting to go back to some bygone era where there was some kind of racial Utopia. The following timeline says otherwise.

1968 - Enoch Powell Rivers of blood speech
1979 - Thatcher rises to power on the back of a speech where she said this country is being 'swamped' - her exact words - by people from oversees.
1981- Brixton and Toxteth riots.
1985 - Murder of PC Blakelock
1993 - Murder of Stephen Lawrence.

I'd like to know when was the period when everyone was getting on :conf:

what is that random and totally biased staccato timeline meant to do? :conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes

its like Rotherham never happened and that was because of a fear of being branded a racist by people who throw out "racist" like confetti and lo and behold what do we find peppering this thread...

:skull:

[Cherie]

...when I was in Norwich a few weeks ago...it was the word on the street about these young people coming in buying all of their flats with their foreign money and such the like..:fan:...

:oh:

[Alf]

Who thinks it's a good thing if you go to Tokyo and it's majority White people speaking English? Does it make the Japanese racist that it's not?

[bots]

Funny you should mention the japanese who are among the most racist people on the planet

Still don't think Cleese said anything wrong in his post, perfectly legitimate, non aggressive, non violent observation

[Marsh.]

Who thinks it's a good thing if you go to Tokyo and it's majority White people speaking English? Does it make the Japanese racist that it's not?

If you need to create a make believe scenario to illustrate your point, maybe it wasn't a good one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Funny you should mention the japanese who are among the most racist people on the planet

Still don't think Cleese said anything wrong in his post, perfectly legitimate, non aggressive, non violent observation

Can you back that statement up with any facts?

[Beso]

The blacks and Indians mix well with the brits in london...the muslims though, I think they are the knees most people are upset about..



How do the Indians and blacks get on with eachother..or the Indians and muslims..or the blacks and muslims.....
The blacks and eastern Europeans. ..the muslims and the etc etc etc.... or are we just allowed to talk about the British old man being a racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The blacks and Indians mix well with the brits in london...the muslims though, I think they are the knees most people are upset about..



How do the Indians and blacks get on with eachother..or the Indians and muslims..or the blacks and muslims.....
The blacks and eastern Europeans. ..the muslims and the etc etc etc.... or are we just allowed to talk about the British old man being a racist.

WHAT!!!!!:nono:

Parmy, you know fine well its only the white male who is the baddy

[Alf]

If you need to create a make believe scenario to illustrate your point, maybe it wasn't a good one.That's not answering my questions, that's avoiding the questions by having a pop at me instead.

[Tom4784]

That's not answering my questions, that's avoiding the questions by having a pop at me instead.

Try coming up with a less **** hypothetical then.

But I'll bite, Japan has two sides to it's society, one that enjoys the growth and sharing of culture and an older side to it that's often racist and dismissive of other cultures. If I went to Tokyo and saw more a diverse and accepting culture taking root then that's only a sign that the old ways are dying out and that's a good thing. It's not like the temples and history will be torn down and ripped aside, it's not like the national identity is disappearing, it would simply be growing.

It's typically only racists that take issue with diversity.

[Marsh.]

That's not answering my questions, that's avoiding the questions by having a pop at me instead.

I haven't had a pop at you.

You've just made a point and backed it up with an example that doesn't exist. Voiding any point you're trying to make.

[GiRTh]

what is that random and totally biased staccato timeline meant to do? :conf:Biased? Please elaborate?

It was to show that there has always been tension toward immigrants.

[GiRTh]

yes

its like Rotherham never happened and that was because of a fear of being branded a racist by people who throw out "racist" like confetti and lo and behold what do we find peppering this thread...

:skull::conf:
Not sure what point you're trying to make?

[GiRTh]

watched the whole thing now, it was very thought provoking, Eileen had lovely neighbours and didn't want to move but had no choice because her children had already moved and she was moving to be near them so in effect someone who was forced to move rather than really wanting to move. The balance of the area has shifted, just 3 white British children per class of 30, 146 different languages and a new child coming once a week with no English (though I find the once a week thing a bit hard to believe given classes are full and they would have to wait for a place?) I agreed with the Head teacher that children don't see religion or colour, however its in the broad scheme of things that there are issues as the cultures do not mix socially very much, I have had experience of this myself with my kids who went to a predominantly Asian school, the Asian kids are being tutored or at mosque or the families don't want them mixing with white/black families as they don't want any issues withboyfriends/girlfriends from different backgrounds and pre marriage pregnancies are very much frowned upon so they keep a tight rein on who their children mix with, the same goes for different religions the Sikhs want to keep to themselves as well and don't want to mix with the muslims etc, what Osman said was true enough he was picked on as a kid for being different but was then accepted as his friends got to know him and realised he liked the same things, but there were pressures on him as he said himself he had to live a dual life, being one thing at home and another with his friends, the British born people in Newham lost their places to socialise and mix as a community as the area changed and pubs closed, and its a pressure thing as well, like the Mother in the clip said ...people asking...you don't still live around here do you? although I did have to laugh as the daughter is moving to Raleigh so its hard the end of the world for them :laugh: I think Newham is a prime example of an area where the balance has shifted too much, multi culture should mean just that, multi....however humans will generally try to stick to what they know, when the Irish came in the 50s and 60s there were Irish areas and Irish clubs etc, I suppose the difference was the Irish did cross marry but that is not happening in these new communities...a good watch thank you Livia and Oliver for finding it.Its a bit of a stretch to say she was forced to move.

[Liam-]

Its a bit of a stretch to say she was forced to move.

They were forced to move by their deep discomfort around people that aren’t white, the poor souls

[GiRTh]

They were forced to move by their deep discomfort around people that aren’t white, the poor souls
Have to agree. The lady said so in the programme when she said they werent 'allowed' to mix with other cultures.

[Cherie]

Its a bit of a stretch to say she was forced to move.

Not it isn't she need as she said herself 'someone to keep an eye on her' and her family had moved from the area, so how is it a stretch, if her family had stayed put so would she

[GiRTh]

Not it isn't she need as she said herself 'someone to keep an eye on her' and her family had moved from the area, so how is it a stretch, if her family had stayed put so would sheWere her family forced out? It didnt say so, bit of a stretch to say she was forced.

[Marsh.]

Not it isn't she need as she said herself 'someone to keep an eye on her' and her family had moved from the area, so how is it a stretch, if her family had stayed put so would she

So she moved because her family did?:laugh:

[GiRTh]

So she moved because her family did?:laugh:And, if immigrants had not moved into the area she'd have probably still moved to be with her daughter..

[Alf]

Try coming up with a less **** hypothetical then.

But I'll bite, Japan has two sides to it's society, one that enjoys the growth and sharing of culture and an older side to it that's often racist and dismissive of other cultures. If I went to Tokyo and saw more a diverse and accepting culture taking root then that's only a sign that the old ways are dying out and that's a good thing. It's not like the temples and history will be torn down and ripped aside, it's not like the national identity is disappearing, it would simply be growing.

It's typically only racists that take issue with diversity.It's got nothing to do with race, English people come in all races. How many Londoners describe themselves as English is the point I think Cleese is trying to make.

[Cherie]

So she moved because her family did?:laugh:

Have you watched the programme?

[Cherie]

And, if immigrants had not moved into the area she'd have probably still moved to be with her daughter..

Her daughter might have stayed put if Newham stayed multicultural :smug:

[Marsh.]

Have you watched the programme?

No. Which is why I phrased it as a question.

Moving to follow her family as she needed help isn't being forced anywhere. She was forced in the sense that she had to go wherever they went.

[Cherie]

No. Which is why I phrased it as a question.

Moving to follow her family as she needed help isn't being forced anywhere. She was forced in the sense that she had to go wherever they went.

Come back to me and we will discuss it when you have watched it

[GiRTh]

Her daughter might have stayed put if Newham stayed multicultural :smug:Possibly, possibly not? :smug:

I just didnt get the impression Eileen was moving due to the immigrants.

[Cherie]

Possibly, possibly not? :smug:

I just didnt get the impression Eileen was moving due to the immigrants.

I never said she did, but her family moved from the area, no reason was given for that, so both you and I are surmising as to why that happened.

[Tom4784]

It's got nothing to do with race, English people come in all races. How many Londoners describe themselves as English is the point I think Cleese is trying to make.

This was your poorly thought out hypothetical.

Who thinks it's a good thing if you go to Tokyo and it's majority White people speaking English? Does it make the Japanese racist that it's not?

You were the one that specified race. Do try keep track of what you are saying, Alf.

[GiRTh]

I never said she did, but her family moved from the area, no reason was given for that, so both you and I are surmising as to why that happened.I know you didnt but that, for me, was the premise of the show and I didnt get that from any of the cases.

[Alf]

This was your poorly thought out hypothetical.



You were the one that specified race. Do try keep track of what you are saying, Alf.I was asking a question based on your ideology.

[Tom4784]

I was asking a question based on your ideology.

Yes and then you tried to make out after I answered that it wasn't about race when YOU brought up a hypothetical based on race, do you understand? Need me to explain it again?

[Marsh.]

Come back to me and we will discuss it when you have watched it

I don't need to. The thread isn't based on it.

I simply asked you a question as you went from saying this lady was forced out of her home, to saying this lady followed her daughter who moved away and her daughter looks out for her.

Come back when you've decided which it is.

[Alf]

Yes and then you tried to make out after I answered that it wasn't about race when YOU brought up a hypothetical based on race, do you understand? Need me to explain it again?Yes, because you have based it on race throughout this thread, so I asked a question based on your thinking. Then I told you my thinking, that it's not based on race.

[Tom4784]

Yes, because you have based it on race throughout this thread, so I asked a question based on your thinking. Then I told you my thinking, that it's not based on race.

You literally asked me a question based around race and then tried to make out that it wasn't about race when I answered. I cannot explain it in more simple terms than that.

[Alf]

You literally asked me a question based around race and then tried to make out that it wasn't about race when I answered. I cannot explain it in more simple terms than that.And I can't explain it in more simple terms, so I guess it's a stalemate.

[Tom4784]

And I can't explain it in more simple terms, so I guess it's a stalemate.

Except it's not because you are simply trying to move the goalposts because you didn't expect anyone to have an answer for your hypothetical and now you are desperately backtracking.

[Cherie]

I don't need to. The thread isn't based on it.

I simply asked you a question as you went from saying this lady was forced out of her home, to saying this lady followed her daughter who moved away and her daughter looks out for her.

Come back when you've decided which it is.

if her family lived in the area she wouldn't be moving, she is 90 fgs :laugh: do you think she is doing it for laughs

[Alf]

Except it's not because you are simply trying to move the goalposts because you didn't expect anyone to have an answer for your hypothetical and now you are desperately backtracking.But you didn't really answer my question, you just said something about it being good that the old is dying out and half of Japan is racist.

[Marsh.]

if her family lived in the area she wouldn't be moving, she is 90 fgs :laugh: do you think she is doing it for laughs

:unsure: Nobody said that.

She's moving.... because her daughter is.... because her daughter helps her out.

I was asking where the "forced out" comes into play.

[Cherie]

:unsure: Nobody said that.

She's moving.... because her daughter is.... because her daughter helps her out.

I was asking where the "forced out" comes into play.



Technically she is being forced to move because none of her family are in the area to support her, not sure how many ways I can put that for you to get it.

[Marsh.]

[/B]


Technically she is being forced to move because none of her family are in the area to support her, not sure how many ways I can put that for you to get it.

Right, so then that doesn't relate to the topic of people being forced out of areas due to culture clashes.

This 90yo had to move to follow her family, I got that at the start. I was asking if she was forced out due to a culture shift.

[Tom4784]

But you didn't really answer my question, you just said something about it being good that the old is dying out and half of Japan is racist.

I gave you a full answer, it's not my fault you are choosing to ignore parts of it because it suits you to do so.

[Alf]

I have you a full answer, it's not my fault you are choosing to ignore parts of it because it suits you to do so.To be fair to you, you did answer the second question, by saying yes, but only half of them.

[Cherie]

Right, so then that doesn't relate to the topic of people being forced out of areas due to culture clashes.

This 90yo had to move to follow her family, I got that at the start. I was asking if she was forced out due to a culture shift.

Technically she was if that is why her family moved?

[Marsh.]

[/B]

Technically she was if that is why her family moved?

Which was my question to begin with.

So her daughter was forced out then?

[Cherie]

Which was my question to begin with.

So her daughter was forced out then?

The programme is about white flight from the area as it is no longer multicultural, just one culture

we can put 2 and 2 together and get 10 if you want, I suggest you take time out to watch it

[Marsh.]

The programme is about white flight from the area as it is no longer multicultural, just one culture

we can put 2 and 2 together and get 10 if you want, I suggest you take time out to watch it

Doesn't sound appealing if it promises one thing but doesn't actually explain properly the circumstances of the people in it. :think:

[Cherie]

Doesn't sound appealing if it promises one thing but doesn't actually explain properly the circumstances of the people in it. :think:

Its quite an interesting watch tbf

[GiRTh]

Its quite an interesting watch tbfYes, I'd agree. It was a very thought provoking programme.

I found I didnt have much sympathy for any of the cases. It was less dramatic than I thought, I was expecting stories of harassment and public disorder, but all the cases came across more thru choice than necessity.

[Tom4784]

To be fair to you, you did answer the second question, by saying yes, but only half of them.

You asked a question thinking that no one would answer but you asked it about a culture you obviously don't know much about and so when someone that knows about the culture answered your question, you had to try and discount it because you didn't get the answer you wanted.

In future, don't ask a question if you don't want the answer.

[Alf]

The thing is my question doesn't have to be about Japan, it can be about, India, Brazil, Egypt, China ect

[Marsh.]

The thing is my question doesn't have to be about Japan, it can be about, India, Brazil, Egypt, China ect

Yeah, but then you went on to say it's not about race, when your question was specifically about race. It was very confusing Alf.

[Alf]

Fook me, this place pisses me off at times.

[Alf]

Yeah, but then you went on to say it's not about race, when your question was specifically about race. It was very confusing Alf.If I said to you that sugar was sweet, you'd disagree with me. The only time you communicate with me is if you're disagreing with me.

[Marsh.]

If I said to you that sugar was sweet, you'd disagree with me. The only time you communicate with me is if you're disagreing with me.

Because I don't agree with anything you ever say. Do you want me to lie? :laugh:

And deny it, but you did. You asked a question about white English people living abroad and then said it had nothing to do with race. I think you confused yourself tbh.

[Alf]

Because I don't agree with anything you ever say. Do you want me to lie? :laugh:

And deny it, but you did. You asked a question about white English people living abroad and then said it had nothing to do with race. I think you confused yourself tbh.No I didn't ask that question, I didn't say English people, I said White people who speak English.

Let me put the question again, in a different way.

Let's say somebody from a majority White. English speaking country, eg England, USA, Australia, Canada Ect. They want to go on holiday to experience a different culture. They go to somewhere like, Egypt, India, Japan ect. When they get there, the country is majority White, English speaking immigrants from England, USA, Australia, Canada Ect.

Do you think that is a good thing, and not only a good thing but an essential thing for the good of that country?

[Marsh.]

No I didn't ask that question, I didn't say English people, I said White people who speak English.

Let me put the question again, in a different way.

Let's say somebody from a majority White. English speaking country, eg England, USA, Australia, Canada Ect. They want to go on holiday to experience a different culture. They go to somewhere like, Egypt, India, Japan ect. When they get there, the country is majority White, English speaking immigrants from England, USA, Australia, Canada Ect.

Do you think that is a good thing, and not only a good thing but an essential thing for the good of that country?

Do I think immigration is good for any country? Or do I think it's good if English speaking people are everywhere? Your question isn't clear.

FYI, you're still talking in terms of race and talking about whites Americans/white English people etc but whatever. :laugh:

[Alf]

Do I think immigration is good for any country? Or do I think it's good if English speaking people are everywhere? Your question isn't clear.

FYI, you're still talking in terms of race but whatever. :laugh:You think I'm taking in race, because you don't believe that White English speaking people have a culture.

[Marsh.]

You think I'm taking in race, because you don't believe that White English speaking people have a culture.

No. You ARE talking race. You specify white Americans and white English people. You do realise there are black English people too?

Where did I say I don't believe White English speaking people have a culture?

Do you want to stop or continue tying yourself in knots?

[Alf]

If immigration is good for our country (which I'm not saying it isn't) Does that mean it's bad for the country they immagrated from?

Surely if we're taking all their best people, then their country suffers?

It's a form of colonialism is it not?

[Marsh.]

If immigration is good for our country (which I'm not saying it isn't) Does that mean it's bad for the country they immagrated from?

Surely if we're taking all their best people, then their country suffers?

:unsure:

Don't worry Alf, Africa isn't going to run out of black people because a few live in White England.

[Alf]

:unsure:

Don't worry Alf, Africa isn't going to run out of black people because a few live in White England.Only Black people in Africa? Are they racist or something? When do they embrace diversity?

[Marsh.]

The funniest part is you post it as a joke, but you genuinely believe it. :joker:

[Alf]

The funniest part is you post it as a joke, but you genuinely believe it. :joker:My last two posts was asking you questions, you answered neither.

[Marsh.]

My last two posts was asking you questions, you answered neither.

You mean you were seriously asking if Africa contains only black people?

:joker::joker::joker:

[Alf]

You mean you were seriously asking if Africa contains only black people?

:joker::joker::joker:No. Is Africa racist? And when do they embrace diversity?

[Marsh.]

No. Is Africa racist? And when do they embrace diversity?

Yes, Africa are racist. They don't like white people, so they fly over to countries like England (you know, countries that only have white people) and live there.

It's a crisis at the moment as there's only 2 black people left in Africa.

[Alf]

It comes so easy of the tongue to claim how White English people are racist.

[Alf]

Yes, Africa are racist. They don't like white people, so they fly over to countries like England (you know, countries that only have white people) and live there.

It's a crisis at the moment as there's only 2 black people left in Africa.I think you'll find most of them come to escape communism.And the evil dictators it produces.

[Tom4784]

The thing is my question doesn't have to be about Japan, it can be about, India, Brazil, Egypt, China ect

You can change the location but I doubt you'd be happy with any answer because you don't want an answer but guess what? I'm gonna keep answering because you keep asking questions.

No I didn't ask that question, I didn't say English people, I said White people who speak English.

Let me put the question again, in a different way.

Let's say somebody from a majority White. English speaking country, eg England, USA, Australia, Canada Ect. They want to go on holiday to experience a different culture. They go to somewhere like, Egypt, India, Japan ect. When they get there, the country is majority White, English speaking immigrants from England, USA, Australia, Canada Ect.

Do you think that is a good thing, and not only a good thing but an essential thing for the good of that country?

The race of a people doesn't determine the culture. Egypt could be full of white people yet the history and culture would remain. The pyramids wouldn't disappear, the current way of life wouldn't disappear, the trademarks of Egypt wouldn't change. There are plenty of white people living in the majority of countries and it's not changing a thing plus most countries, like Japan welcome tourists and such to indulge in their culture. It's a common asian attitude that a lot of asian countries like Japan, China and South Korea love people engaging in their culture because the sharing of culture and it's evolution are celebrated for the most part.

Growth and development are important for a country and I certainly wouldn't despair if I went to one of these countries and saw mostly white people around.

The UK's culture is not changing just because there's more people with brown skin then there was a few years ago. Judging by the fact that little has changed since the days of Enoch Powell in terms of attitude shows how stunted we truly are.

[Northern Monkey]

Cleese is deffo not xenophobic.He employed that nice Spanish fellow as soon as we’d joined the EU.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cleese is deffo not xenophobic.He employed that nice Spanish fellow as soon as we’d joined the EU.

he did clout him around the head

[Northern Monkey]

he did clout him around the head

Employment laws were different then.
Plus it kept him awake.Don’t need him taking a siesta mid afternoon.

[Livia]

Anyone who thinks the English way of life is not affected by incomers, I would urge you to visit east London. Of course, it would be better if you knew London before. Currently poor people are being ethnically cleansed from Islington and sent out to Basildon because Islington is "up and coming". That means, lots of immigrants and lots of rich people (and the champagne socialists of course, they're taken as read).

[Tom4784]

Anyone who thinks the English way of life is not affected by incomers, I would urge you to visit east London. Of course, it would be better if you knew London before. Currently poor people are being ethnically cleansed from Islington and sent out to Basildon because Islington is "up and coming". That means, lots of immigrants and lots of rich people (and the champagne socialists of course, they're taken as read).

You are confusing gentrification for ethnic cleansing. Two very different issues. White people aren't being 'ethnically cleansed' or forced out of their homes by evil people who just so happen to have a different skin colour.

In fact, it's more likely that it's the ethnic minorities that are more likely effected by gentrification, not the other way around.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are confusing gentrification for ethnic cleansing. Two very different issues. White people aren't being 'ethnically cleansed' or forced out of their homes by evil people who just so happen to have a different skin colour.

In fact, it's more likely that it's the ethnic minorities that are more likely effected by gentrification, not the other way around.

er have you ever been to Upton, East Ham, Plaistow or say Forest gate? there aint nothing gentrified about there :joker:

[Twosugars]

Anyone who thinks the English way of life is not affected by incomers, I would urge you to visit east London. Of course, it would be better if you knew London before. Currently poor people are being ethnically cleansed from Islington and sent out to Basildon because Islington is "up and coming". That means, lots of immigrants and lots of rich people (and the champagne socialists of course, they're taken as read).

The same east London has always been home to waves of immigrants until they moved elsewhere

[Livia]

er have you ever been to Upton, East Ham, Plaistow or say Forest gate? there aint nothing gentrified about there :joker:

So true. Even the Boleyn pub has shut down, or is about to. All the lovely old Victorian pubs are going, Muslims don't tend to spend much time down the pub. And as you quoted Dezzy's post, I maybe should explain that I was using the term ethnic cleansing for effect (that's the proper use of 'effect', for Dezzy's benefit).

[Crimson Dynamo]

The same east London has always been home to waves of immigrants until they moved elsewhere

do you have any idea of the numbers involved in your "waves" and the numbers in comparison to population?

cos otherwise its not really helpful?:shrug:

London is the region with the largest number of migrants (3.4 million foreign-born people in 2017) How does that compare to the 40,000 Huguenots that came to the UK over 40 years for example?

[Cherie]

So true. Even the Boleyn pub has shut down, or is about to. All the lovely old Victorian pubs are going, Muslims don't tend to spend much time down the pub. And as you quoted Dezzy's post, I maybe should explain that I was using the term ethnic cleansing for effect (that's the proper use of 'effect', for Dezzy's benefit).

just as an example of pushing people out, we have a curry house which was very popular in our high street, the Dad has now passed it to his son who has decided he will no longer serve alcohol....so guess who wont be visiting that establishment now :shrug: it seems like a bonkers business move but I guess the majority of his patrons dont drink now so he knows he can make this change without impacting his profits

[Twosugars]

do you have any idea of the numbers involved in your "waves" and the numbers in comparison to population?

cos otherwise its not really helpful?:shrug:

And do you?

Go there and see the whole streets built by huguenots, read memoirs of the jewish life there when a huge wave of immigrants from eastern Europe settled in east London.

[Crimson Dynamo]

And do you?

Go there and see the whole streets built by huguenots, read memoirs of the jewish life there when a huge wave of immigrants from eastern Europe settled in east London.

40,000 over 40 years is not really a wave its a gradual absorption and every one would have trade and would work immediately (or die)

YOu just cannot try and compare today by just linking them with the word "immigrant"

its about as pointless and misleading as the tired " we are all immigrants" rubbish people spout as if that fixes mass immigration with no controls


We have many successful immigration stories like the Chinese, the Poles but that does not mean all immigration is positive and welcome.

[Twosugars]

40,000 over 40 years is not really a wave its a gradual absorption and every one would have trade and would work immediately (or die)

YOu just cannot try and compare today by just linking them with the word "immigrant"

its about as pointless and misleading as the tired " we are all immigrants" rubbish people spout as if that fixes mass immigration with no controls


We have many successful immigration stories like the Chinese, the Poles but that does not mean all immigration is positive and welcome.

That second sentence is just nonsensical

I never said I was in favour of unregulated immigration but you go off :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I never said I was in favour of unregulated immigration but you go off :laugh:

No one said you were so not sure why you would be worried?

[Twosugars]

No one said you were so not sure why you would be worried?

Well forgive me for thinking your reply to my post was actually directed to me:laugh:
So you saying it was a random rant?
Alt facts , alt rules of debate I guess :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well forgive me for thinking your reply to my post was actually directed to me:laugh:
So you saying it was a random rant?
Alt facts , alt rules of debate I guess :shrug:

sorry you have lost me

[Twosugars]

sorry you have lost me

As expected

[Tom4784]

So true. Even the Boleyn pub has shut down, or is about to. All the lovely old Victorian pubs are going, Muslims don't tend to spend much time down the pub. And as you quoted Dezzy's post, I maybe should explain that I was using the term ethnic cleansing for effect (that's the proper use of 'effect', for Dezzy's benefit).

Or you can just save some time and stop pretending you have me on ignore when you have slipped up before and responded to me directly.

A lot of pubs are closing down, people would rather stay in with a bottle or a few cans because it's cheaper. It's not a sign of some hysterical muslimpocalypse.

You weren't using that word for 'effect' (How desperate are you to try and score points against me that you pick up on grammar? GRIM), you were simply using it wrong.