BBC to TAX over 75's again from June 2020

[arista]

unless you are on a pension.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48583487

[Liam-]

Grim

[Kazanne]

No one should have to pay for a TV licence imo,

[bots]

it's time to end the tv license for everyone. For one thing, it's unfair competition

[Nicky91]

without tv license, no money for BBC

[arista]

Grim



Some Charity's may collect the money weekly
to help the old folks

[arista]

without tv license, no money for BBC


Yes they could have Ads
between every show
BBC1 is watched, on average, by over 60's year olds.

[user104658]

I just can't imagine what the justification for it is?

[Marsh.]

No one should have to pay for a TV licence imo,

Nowt's free in this life!

[Firewire]

I just can't imagine what the justification for it is?

Brexit

[arista]

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[arista]

Brexit




Wrong
this Change was set up before Brexit was even born

[smudgie]

Pensioners are better off than they were years ago.
Any pensioner an pension credit will still receive it for free.
I am all for it.
Some older people are better off than a lot of younger people just starting out.

[arista]

Pensioners are better off than they were years ago.
Any pensioner an pension credit will still receive it for free.
I am all for it.
Some older people are better off than a lot of younger people just starting out.



Sure
but there is over 3 million
old folks struggling with income

[joeysteele]

Obscene.
Time the BBC were dragged into the 21st century.

The view has always been that to means test it would cost too much.

Obscene the BBC now dictates government policy.
It should never have been handed to the BBC to make this decision.

More now than any other time, it's time to scrap this dinosaur tax on anyone.

Force the BBC to take sdvertisers like all others have to.

[Cherie]

Trash, I hope people stop paying in protest

[arista]

Trash, I hope people stop paying in protest


Yes some may
will they get arrested?

[arista]

Obscene.
Time the BBC were dragged into the 21st century.

The view has always been that to means test it would cost too much.

Obscene the BBC now dictates government policy.
It should never have been handed to the BBC to make this decision.

More now than any other time, it's time to scrap this dinosaur tax on anyone.

Force the BBC to take sdvertisers like all others have to.



I agree Joey

[Cherie]

Yes some may
will they get arrested?

im willing to be glued to BBC headquarters

[arista]

im willing to be glued to BBC headquarters



Dramatic

[arista]

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[bots]

i would happily sign a petition that scraps the tv license, i'm sure one will be coming now

[Kate!]

i would happily sign a petition that scraps the tv license, i'm sure one will be coming now

So would I.

[arista]

i would happily sign a petition that scraps the tv license, i'm sure one will be coming now


Yes so would I.

[Liam-]

We have to pay tv license to watch about 5 tv shows a year on BBC, the tories are a shambles for allowing the BBC to continue doing it to people

[arista]

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[Wizard.]

If you're well off, I don't see why you shouldn't pay for it, but in my opinion, people who are unemployed and OAP's on state pension shouldn't have to pay for a TV license.

[Vicky.]

Don't really understand why they exempt tbh, its the same with the 'bedroom tax'..pensioners are exempt even though its extremely likely they have 'spare rooms'

Mind..I bet the BBC is doing this as more and more people are finding out that they do not have to have one..so are cancelling so they are trying to claw money back.

Meanwhile, TV licensing took my mother in law to court, for being A DAY late on paying hers. ****ing wankers. I just shut the door on them if they come here, have had many of them state they have the right to search my property and that which is bollocks.

I disagree with the TV license completely if that was not obvious. However, if people under 75 have to pay I see no reason for the people over 75 to pay too, especially given I would assume that most elderly people have a hell of a lot better income than younger people do!

[joeysteele]

The whole thing should be scrapped for everyone.
TV Licensing are a total disgrace.

I really hope if this doesn't get overturned, that this will at long last be the overdue start of getting rid of this once and for all.

[Marsh.]

Mind..I bet the BBC is doing this as more and more people are finding out that they do not have to have one..

People actually thought that it was mandatory to have a TV?

[Cherie]

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maybe cut the exorbitant salaries for start

[Vicky.]

People actually thought that it was mandatory to have a TV?

:suspect:

So many were lied to on their doorsteps by peoply who must have had the worst custmer service type training ever!

A lot of my friends had one because they had been told (by tv licensing) that even if you do not watch TV..if you have a device capable of watching live TV you have to pay it too..which again, is utter bollocks D:

[Marsh.]

:suspect:

So many were lied to on their doorsteps by peoply who must have had the worst custmer service type training ever!

A lot of my friends had one because they had been told (by tv licensing) that even if you do not watch TV...if you have a device capable of watching live TV you have to pay it too..which again, is utter bollocks D:

Well, the rule is if you watch any live television as it is broadcast or watch a BBC catch-up service ie. iPlayer.

Other catch up services, streaming services or other recorded programmes after broadcast you don't need one.

So, if they have a TV with an aerial and claim they never switch it on then that's a bit of a fib. :hehe:

[Vicky.]

Well, the rule is if you watch any live television as it is broadcast or watch a BBC catch-up service ie. iPlayer.

Other catch up services, streaming services or other recorded programmes after broadcast you don't need one.

So, if they have a TV with an aerial and claim they never switch it on then that's a bit of a fib. :hehe:

We have a tv with an arial that we don't watch live TV on as we much prefer streaming to remove the ads and that. Its there and connected still (I think..been years now)just unused.

Even if they are lying anyway, I don't blame them. Its a ridiculous thing, and I have always hated it and found it unfair (especially to the people who dont watch/listen to bbc stuff, or whom there are many), but whats gone on with my mother in law is a brand new level of hatred towards the whole thing..judge accepted the guilty plea (even though she does have reciepts to prove she paid every other payment on time, just that one month her benefit was late so she paid the next day, have checked back 6 blody years and never a late payment til then..) but bumped fine up to 170. For having no license for a day :bored: They are horrible horrible arseholes and their staff are just trained in lying, manipulation and..trying to scare you sometimes too. I have told my mother in law that it might feel rude, but if they come again then literally slam the door in their faces, else she could be tricked into signing a form that allows TV license to prosecute her. They told her she was signing for a new TV license payment card as hers had ran out. Utter dickheads.

Rant over :/ Its a bad topic for me at the min.

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[Marsh.]

Tbf, I agree to an extent.

Whether you get it free should be judged on your individual circumstances, not on your age.

There are old and young people more than capable of paying, and old and young people who can't afford it.

[bots]

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/campaigning/save-free-tv-for-older-people/

[arista]

Also itv GMBHD
is fighting for the very old

[Nicky91]

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/campaigning/save-free-tv-for-older-people/

free tv means no money for BBC, meaning more shows need to be axed since they can't pay for them anymore

meaning lesser good shows to watch for the older people

[joeysteele]

Tbf, I agree to an extent.

Whether you get it free should be judged on your individual circumstances, not on your age.

There are old and young people more than capable of paying, and old and young people who can't afford it.

Hi Marsh.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph.

Then again, I think the infernal thing should be scrapped for all.
I've no sympathy with the BBC, I think all its coverage and programming has gone down anyway.

Sports, watching that does my head in the way they switch channels etc during say Wimbledon.

Cut out so many presenters on shows too.
Are 2 really needed for things like Strictly.

Just going for advertising like everyone else.
There'll be companies clamouring to get spots in things like EastEnders for example.

To your first point which is valid.
The thing is, the over 75s were given free licences.
They were assured by this government in 2017, pensioner issues would be protected at least to the next election.

Now it's not.
So in that, it is unfair and I say wrong to remove this now and within the next year too.

I agree there are pensioners who could easily afford to pay it.
The governnents of both Parties agreed to make it free for all over 75.
For then just the older pensioners, not all pensioners.

I accept someone unemployed could have less than pensioners and still have to pay this atrocious just under £155, of this dinosaur tax.

It's infuriating that someone who has one TV and on around £150 a week.
Have to pay that £154.50 a year just to watch that TV.

While millionaires can have multiple TVs in near mansions and still only have to pay that £154.50.

For me, it's time this was scrapped once and for all and the BBC forced to work in the 21st century.
Like everything and everyone else..

This will lead to pensioners likely being dragged to court.
The elderly if alone can get into difficulties.
Sadly things like memory problems, dementia hit rich and poor pensioners alike.

There'll be no sympathy for them from the truly rotten and vile TV Licensing company.
It will be a disgrace when it happens and pensioners get summoned to court.

This is a terrible broken promise from the government, that this would be in place until 2022 at least.

As to the Pensioners saying they'd be happy to pay it.
Well nothing has stopped them doing so, so why haven't they done so already voluntarily.
Equally pension credit.
The government knows more pensioners should be claiming that, many haven't claimed it.
It's around 3 in 10 who should have it.

So ending the universal free over 75s TV licences, is going to cause hardship and likely worse for some even poorer pensioners.

Is this really what a caring society does to its much older citizens.

Just scrap the thing, penalise the BBC, not pensioners.

[Cherie]

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/campaigning/save-free-tv-for-older-people/

signed, I get the argument about younger people struggling to pay it, but I think they are more likely to avoid paying :shrug: also they are probably not dependant on TV for their entertainment as many housebound elderly are, at any rate it is not an argument as they have never had it and are unlikely to get it.

[Nicky91]

signed, I get the argument about younger people struggling to pay it, but I think they are more likely to avoid paying :shrug: also they are probably not dependant on TV for their entertainment as many housebound elderly are, at any rate it is not an argument as they have never had it and are unlikely to get it.

we youth now need to boycott free tv

:smug:

[arista]

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[Vicky.]

Again, should just be abolished completely. Rather than this argument that everyone else should still have to pay it under threat of prosecution, but those who have too high of a private pension to claim pension credit..should not pay. That sounds odd to me.

The only people who say it shouldn't be abolishied, tend to be those who will go on about how great BBC content is, so people who actually use what the bulk of the license is to pay for. They never seem to get that not everyone watchs BBC. Its amusing watching tv license arguments sometimes as it generally turns into the bbc people caling non bbc people greedy and stingey because they don't want to pay for something they don't use (or do use but would prefer BBC just used adverts like all others for funding, rather than taking 65 year olds to court to extract hundreds from them for a day of not being licensed..) but it tends to turn out that they think the TV license would be too expensive if it was opt in and only a few people paid. So, people are greedy for not wanting to pay it, however, if those who don't want it don't pay it stop having to pay it, those who do would have to pay more, so really they are kicking off to try and make others keep subsidizing it so that what THEY pay does not go up. So whos greedy really?

Similar to when you go for a meal with a group of friends, and that one dickhead orders the most expensive thing on the menu, multiple cocktails or expensive drinks while others eat/drink more moderately. Then when the bill comes, the overindulgent person will without fail say 'we are just splitting equally' as its 'easier'. And throw a proper strop if they are made to pay for their own, so others don't waste money on their expensive tastes..its always 'you are stingey, its only a few quid' or whatever. But yeah, greedy and selfish for only wanting to pay for what you eat/watch. Its cheeky really, for those who think that way to try and make out that the reasonable people are the ones being tight.

[bots]

oh **** off Piers


this whole story is a load of nonsense

basically over 75's well not trying to be rude or disrespectful but they don't have long to live and then what the youth in britain are stuck with actions what was done for those pensioners

same as brexit basically, majority of the brexit support comes from elderly and most of the remainers comes from youth

:idc: or am i saying completely wrong now?

this is ageist and disrespectful.

Many of the over 75's are frail, housebound and without friends and close relatives because they have out lived them. Television to many of them is the only company they have. Opinions like yours sicken me.

[Cherie]

oh **** off Piers


this whole story is a load of nonsense

basically over 75's well not trying to be rude or disrespectful but they don't have long to live and then what the youth in britain are stuck with actions what was done for those pensioners

same as brexit basically, majority of the brexit support comes from elderly and most of the remainers comes from youth

:idc: or am i saying completely wrong now?

:facepalm: very disrespectful Nicky

as someone said this morning just last week we were lauding the veterans .... now they can go away and die ...lovely

[Vicky.]

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

[Cherie]

and please dont tell me you are bringing Brexit into this Nicky, as many young people voted Brexit as well

[Nicky91]

:facepalm: very disrespectful Nicky

i am very fond of elderly anyway

[Nicky91]

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

true, some in Asia for example can live to the age of 114

[Nicky91]

and honestly over 75's might have worked for a very long time, so they have rights of their pension money

and youth if they don't want to pay for it


then free tv might be the only good option after all


maybe BBC can come up with solution, of putting adverts between their shows, making their money like that

[Vicky.]

and please dont tell me you are bringing Brexit into this Nicky, as many young people voted Brexit as well
Well, obviously Brexit has nowt to do with this thread, but statistically the older people got, the more likely they were to vote to leave. So I kind of get where Nickys coming from there, except its.. pointless to bring up here at all :laugh:

[Vicky.]

maybe BBC can come up with solution, of putting adverts between their shows, making their money like that

The obvious ****ing solution. Would ease pressure on the courts too given..I bet a lot of their time is wasted on this. When I was last in court, was talking to people hanging around waiting for their cases, and at least half of them were there for TV license :rolleyes:

[Cherie]

The obvious ****ing solution. Would ease pressure on the courts too given..I bet a lot of their time is wasted on this. When I was last in court, was talking to people hanging around waiting for their cases, and at least half of them were there for TV license :rolleyes:

incredible that the courts are taking up time with this rubbish

[Nicky91]

also for elderly it isn't nice for them to go to court, when they more want to have some calm days of no worries in their retirement

and btw BBC should pay more respect to the elderly, since most of their viewers for strictly come dancing for example are older people or various other shows/series on their channels

[Josy]

Horrible.

I visit a lady in a sheltered housing complex every Monday afternoon, she is 94 years old and doesnt get out much at all so yeah she watches TV a lot or I should really say mostly listens as her eyes aren't too great but it's a sort of comfort thing when she is alone, she only has 1 son who gets very busy at work and is away a lot of the time so really apart from her son, myself and a carer for 15 mins on a week morning the TV is the only company she really has.

I know not all elderly people will be so dependent but it is the only company some of them have and if they cant afford this licence fee then they wont have anything, you know what most elderly people are like they wont not pay it like some youngerpeople choose, that's not the way they are.

[Josy]

But yeah get it abolished completely it's a lot of ****e!

[Wizard.]

I think it is disgusting the way people are threatened over not paying their TV license like it's the worst crime in the world yet politicians can take Class A drugs and nothing is done.

[Vicky.]

if they cant afford this licence fee

But its for people who do not recieve pension credit? If their pension was low enough, they woldn't have to pay still. I am sure pension credit is like 150 per week or something..so it appears to be only for those who would be able to afford it.

[Josy]

Pension credit is the top up for people only on a state pension I think? Like 40 quid or something is it not?

[Cherie]

But its for people who do not recieve pension credit? If their pension was low enough, they woldn't have to pay still. I am sure pension credit is like 150 per week or something..so it appears to be only for those who would be able to afford it.

what if you just miss out though, and who is to say they won't adjust the amount of pension credit in the future so more people are dragged into the net?

[Oliver_W]

tbh at 75 onward, people shouldn't have to pay ANY taxes.

[Vicky.]

Pension credit is the top up for people only on a state pension I think? Like 40 quid or something is it not?

Ah, I thought pension credit was basically what you got instead of a state pension if your private pension was not above state pension levels.
what if you just miss out though, and who is to say they won't adjust the amount of pension credit in the future so more people are dragged into the net?

Well I guess that could be an issue.

Either way..should not be there for anywone, nevermind just letting pensioners off with it.

[joeysteele]

tbh at 75 onward, people shouldn't have to pay ANY taxes.

I agree 100%

[Kazanne]

free tv means no money for BBC, meaning more shows need to be axed since they can't pay for them anymore

meaning lesser good shows to watch for the older people

Maybe they should stop paying their presenters and themselves shed loads of money

[bots]

For me, what the BBC have tried to do here is the final straw. I will support every attempt for the license fee to be scrapped. It's no longer the only channel, it's no longer unbiased, its no longer a public service broadcaster. The time of compulsory charges have long gone.

[arista]

Well, obviously Brexit has nowt to do with this thread, but statistically the older people got, the more likely they were to vote to leave. So I kind of get where Nickys coming from there, except its.. pointless to bring up here at all :laugh:



Yes George Osborne brought this BBC changes in 2015
before any Brexit.

Many Media Experts
have said it was brought out now
for Conservative Leadership race.
I doubt Boris would help out.

[Marsh.]

Hi Marsh.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph.

Then again, I think the infernal thing should be scrapped for all.
I've no sympathy with the BBC, I think all its coverage and programming has gone down anyway.

Sports, watching that does my head in the way they switch channels etc during say Wimbledon.

Cut out so many presenters on shows too.
Are 2 really needed for things like Strictly.

Just going for advertising like everyone else.
There'll be companies clamouring to get spots in things like EastEnders for example.

To your first point which is valid.
The thing is, the over 75s were given free licences.
They were assured by this government in 2017, pensioner issues would be protected at least to the next election.

Now it's not.
So in that, it is unfair and I say wrong to remove this now and within the next year too.

I agree there are pensioners who could easily afford to pay it.
The governnents of both Parties agreed to make it free for all over 75.
For then just the older pensioners, not all pensioners.

I accept someone unemployed could have less than pensioners and still have to pay this atrocious just under £155, of this dinosaur tax.

It's infuriating that someone who has one TV and on around £150 a week.
Have to pay that £154.50 a year just to watch that TV.

While millionaires can have multiple TVs in near mansions and still only have to pay that £154.50.

For me, it's time this was scrapped once and for all and the BBC forced to work in the 21st century.
Like everything and everyone else..

This will lead to pensioners likely being dragged to court.
The elderly if alone can get into difficulties.
Sadly things like memory problems, dementia hit rich and poor pensioners alike.

There'll be no sympathy for them from the truly rotten and vile TV Licensing company.
It will be a disgrace when it happens and pensioners get summoned to court.

This is a terrible broken promise from the government, that this would be in place until 2022 at least.

As to the Pensioners saying they'd be happy to pay it.
Well nothing has stopped them doing so, so why haven't they done so already voluntarily.
Equally pension credit.
The government knows more pensioners should be claiming that, many haven't claimed it.
It's around 3 in 10 who should have it.

So ending the universal free over 75s TV licences, is going to cause hardship and likely worse for some even poorer pensioners.

Is this really what a caring society does to its much older citizens.

Just scrap the thing, penalise the BBC, not pensioners.

Oh I agree it's wrong to just take something away like that.

Like, even if they just stopped over 75 free licenses from this point on, but anybody already receiving continues until... well, they're gone.

As for things like "2 presenters for Strictly" I don't actually think that makes a blind bit of difference. Shows are allocated budgets, then pay of talent comes from that budget, so you sack Claudia, Tess might get a pay rise and they have a bit of money left over to then spend elsewhere on Strictly. That will be even more true for the external production companies that make content for the BBC.

I think the fault entirely lies with the government, it's not just the BBC/TV Licensing but ever corner of our society being polluted by the scum sitting in Parliament.

[Marsh.]

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

Not all these BBC fans being 115.

[Firewire]

~controversial~ but the Over 75s who are "losing out" can afford to pay for their TV licence.

No one else gets any help to pay for it, so why should these rich oldies be any different?

TV is not a right of passage.

[Firewire]

Also, it works out at about £3.50 a week and for the array of content you get it's an absolute bargain.

[Cherie]

Also, it works out at about £3.50 a week and for the array of content you get it's an absolute bargain.

tell that to all the non payers :pipe:

[Marsh.]

Yeah, it does clarify those that would struggle to pay it will not have to pay it. It's just remaining ageist in the fact that only struggling over-75s get the help and no one else.

But, honestly, I don't understand all the fretting about it anymore.

Because, times have changed and it's quite easy to not pay the licence and get on with just watching your streaming services, boxes etc that you legally do not require a licence for. :shrug:

Is watching something with 3 or 4 ad breaks that enticing that you couldn't just watch it on catch up at a more convenient time?

Except BBC iPlayer of course, but you don't watch BBC so you won't miss it. :hee:

[Marsh.]

tell that to all the non payers :pipe:

They get it for free then! BIGGER bargain! Don't need it! Don't want it!


Except those times when they slip up and post on Facebook that they simply can't wait for Strictly and a glass of wine. :worry:

[Marsh.]

Also, it works out at about £3.50 a week and for the array of content you get it's an absolute bargain.

Yeah, compared to the daylight robbery of the likes of Sky and Virgin Media.

[Firewire]

tell that to all the non payers :pipe:

At the end of the day we all lose out because of it. Either the payers are hit because the cost goes up, or content dips because they don't have enough money to make it.

[arista]

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Yes go ahead
get headlines of how kind you are
but its still Next Year
many poor old folks will be unable to
to pay the BBC Tax.

[hijaxers]

Age uk are running a petition to get this decision reversed, I urge everyone to sign it

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/our-impact/campaigning/save-free-tv-for-older-people/

Just signed .

[Vicky.]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/13/ben-fogle-donates-entire-animal-park-salary-pay-pensioners-tv-licence-9946003/?ito=social&fbclid=IwAR0-o3MRJKZVwBKRua4F4K1TY9dx-AFzmJpdWAIIc8U7eS13ZisZ8cYJUlM

Just seen this^

Ben Fogle has decided to put his own money towards paying for the pensioners’ TV licence. After the BBC restricting free TV licences to those over 75 receiving pension credit, the TV presenter has stepped in. He was ‘disappointed’ by the decision but added that he doesn’t ‘entirely blame’ the broadcaster. In a statement posted on his Twitter account, Ben said: ‘I LOVE the BBC. I think it is one of the greatest institutions in the world. ‘I have decided to donate my entire salary for this years BBC Animal Park to subsidise licences for those over 75 who have no way of paying for a licence.’

[Twosugars]

As I understand it BBC is only reintroducing the licence fee to those pensioners who can afford it?

[Livia]

When the BBC starts catering for people over 80, then they should be allowed to charge them. They cater for children, they have their own channels as well as having stuff on BBC1 and 2. My Grandmother used to listen to Radio 2... now they're bringing in people from BBC1, their feeder station, and the stuff they play is aimed at me, not someone fifty plus years my senior. While a lot of BBC's tv programmes are suitable for older people there aren't many that specifically cater for them.

[arista]

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