Former Japanese internment camp to house migrant children...

[Tom4784]

rump administration officials have chosen an Oklahoma military base that was used as a World War II internment camp for Japanese and Japanese American people to shelter undocumented immigrant children apprehended at the border without an adult.

Starting as soon as July, Fort Sill will be used as a “temporary emergency influx shelter” to mitigate overcrowding at existing facilities, the Department of Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement said Tuesday. The agency cited “a dramatic spike” in unaccompanied minors detained by border officials this year — just under 41,000 as of April 30, an almost 57% increase from the same period in 2018.

The Army base, located near Lawton, Oklahoma, about 90 miles southwest of Oklahoma City, was selected after officials toured several military bases in recent weeks to assess which could be used to hold the migrant children.

HHS officials previously used Fort Sill during the Obama administration, detaining about 1,800 undocumented children from May to August of 2014, during a swell in border crossings that year. The facility was among several other military bases used between 2012 and 2017 as temporary facilities for undocumented immigrant children.

During World War II, the Army’s War Relocation Authority infamously held nearly 120,000 Japanese and Japanese American people at 10 long-term camps — euphemized as “relocation centers.”

Fort Sill was among 14 U.S. Army bases used as temporary detention camps, usually for “first generation Japanese residents detained early into U.S. involvement in WWII,” according to the National Japanese American Historical Society. They later “would be held, processed, and transferred from these locations to other facilities.”

Link to story (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/undocumented-immigrant-children-detained-internment-camp_n_5d00ea38e4b0e7e781705ded?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9jb25zZW50LnlhaG9vLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACzskOcPb6ujarmWr2b1L4MwrFjv VtZfQMiqCR7IryxRtCGBQ1La34Fs6pD_7DrN4u5XWOm2Nxq8UP 41YA5_ZeOrlvAabLzsD6XaXAcQeBVN59NBmhN10I_AVoH1Sv-Mr7myfRXnp5ZrXmtkRQr9kI6Wk_F4RjKNu3Qgm1SM0HgH)

Grim, the internment of american-japanese civillians is a dark mark on the US' history and to see a former site being used for the inhumane containment of children is just sick. Sadly this story won't get much traction because there's too much dehumanisation aimed at these children. It's ****ing gross.

[Beso]

They could always leave them In a field to fend for themselves I suppose.

[Tom4784]

Or, alternatively, house them in places that weren't the US' take on concentration camps and take care of them better so that the number of children dying in the border control's custody isn't sky high.

[arista]

Its better than nothing
Dezzy.

[Niamh.]

Very sad and it is depressing how these children aren't even viewed as people it seems. I say it everytime on this subject but we are all just lucky that we've been born in places that allow us to live a decent life, if we weren't we'd all be trying to get somewhere where our kids could have a better shot in life aswell

[Tom4784]

Its better than nothing
Dezzy.

A weak answer that only justifies the poor treatment of these children. The US government are flouting the Flores agreement when it comes to the treatment of these children and it's going under the radar for the most part. More migrant children have died in custody in the past year than any other year on record and that's down to the conditions of the tent cities and housing that they've locked the children up in and making a former internment camp the next site for these kids is sending very grim messages.

[Kate!]

Its better than nothing
Dezzy.

Barely Arista. Its a crying shame.

[arista]

A weak answer that only justifies the poor treatment of these children. The US government are flouting the Flores agreement when it comes to the treatment of these children and it's going under the radar for the most part. More migrant children have died in custody in the past year than any other year on record and that's down to the conditions of the tent cities and housing that they've locked the children up in and making a former internment camp the next site for these kids is sending very grim messages.


At least the are safe.

The other day they over 200 Illegals were let go
as the Depot was overloaded.

[Tom4784]

At least the are safe.

The other day they over 200 Illegals were let go
as the Depot was overloaded.

Safe? Did you miss the part when I said that more children have died in custody than ever before?

[Twosugars]

Very sad and it is depressing how these children aren't even viewed as people it seems. I say it everytime on this subject but we are all just lucky that we've been born in places that allow us to live a decent life, if we weren't we'd all be trying to get somewhere where our kids could have a better shot in life aswell

Very true, superiority some people display when it comes to immigrants is disgusting

[Beso]

Fort still was a temporary detention camp and has reopened to house some kids that desperately need housing and shelter......sorry, why should we be outraged at this again?

[arista]

Safe? Did you miss the part when I said that more children have died in custody than ever before?


No I did not miss it
But No One has Died at this location.


You Dig it all up

I deal with markets and facts,

[Tom4784]

It doesn't matter if no one has died at that location as a record number of children have died in these temporary camps so far. The problem is that these children in custody aren't being taken care of and shipping them off to an ex internment camp isn't exactly a sign of things improving.

[Tom4784]

Fort still was a temporary detention camp and has reopened to house some kids that desperately need housing and shelter......sorry, why should we be outraged at this again?

Because kids are dying in these camps and putting them in a place like that is just grotesque. The border services are failing in their duty of care and the government are failing in upholding the Flores Agreement.

We should be outraged because children are ****ing dying in custody, do you not understand that?

[Niamh.]

Because kids are dying in these camps and putting them in a place like that is just grotesque. The border services are failing in their duty of care and the government are failing in upholding the Flores Agreement.

We should be outraged because children are ****ing dying in custody, do you not understand that?

Yes we should and that's exactly what's wrong with the world atm

[Jessica.]

It's just heartbreaking..

[Beso]

Because kids are dying in these camps and putting them in a place like that is just grotesque. The border services are failing in their duty of care and the government are failing in upholding the Flores Agreement.

We should be outraged because children are ****ing dying in custody, do you not understand that?




Look for a ****ing solution then instead of hanging around pointing the finger of blame at the wrong people....you have taken a positive step by the trump establishment and twisted it round to have a go at him..

[arista]

It doesn't matter if no one has died at that location as a record number of children have died in these temporary camps so far. The problem is that these children in custody aren't being taken care of and shipping them off to an ex internment camp isn't exactly a sign of things improving.


It does matter Dezzy.
You just want to dig up
on every thread you make.


If you viewed the Depot's
when they were live on CNN USA
and FoxNewsHD
you would understand that using this location is better.

You never give any of them a chance

[Tom4784]

Look for a ****ing solution then instead of hanging around pointing the finger of blame at the wrong people....you have taken a positive step by the trump establishment and twisted it round to have a go at him..

'You can't criticise this government that I happen to like unless you can solve it's problems!'

What a gross thought process and one that's only meant to silence opinions you don't happen to like.

As for you saying that opening another temporary inevitable tent city is a good thing and that I'm twisting things to have a go at Trump.... CHILDREN. ARE. ****ING. DYING. IN. CUSTODY. What part of that do you not understand? Why is it that your first reaction is not to be outraged over a situation that has both sides of the aisle outraged but to defend Trump's honour?

As for a solution, there's a simple one. DO WHAT THEY AGREED TO DO WHEN THE FLORES AGREEMENT CAME INTO LAW.

[Tom4784]

It does matter Dezzy.
You just want to dig up
on every thread you make.


If you viewed the Depot's
when they were live on CNN USA
and FoxNewsHD
you would understand that using this location is better.

You never give any of them a chance

Another person more bothered about defending Trump then the children that have died under his regime, children that his government had a duty of care to.

It shouldn't be used because of it's history and because internment echoes too closely to what is happening to these children. It's sick.

[Beso]

'You can't criticise this government that I happen to like unless you can solve it's problems!'

What a gross thought process and one that's only meant to silence opinions you don't happen to like.

As for you saying that opening another temporary inevitable tent city is a good thing and that I'm twisting things to have a go at Trump.... CHILDREN. ARE. ****ING. DYING. IN. CUSTODY. What part of that do you not understand? Why is it that your first reaction is not to be outraged over a situation that has both sides of the aisle outraged but to defend Trump's honour?

As for a solution, there's a simple one. DO WHAT THEY AGREED TO DO WHEN THE FLORES AGREEMENT CAME INTO LAW.



They have followed that, they have forced the countries that these "children" are fleeing from into taking "drastic"measures to stop the "uncontrollable" influx of "unnacompanied"children that are "caught" at the "border" of the USA and Mexico.



Just tell me what they should do cause I am all ears...you can't put them.all together because I'm "assuming" that may incite some murders amongst eachother....so what, what should they do?

Open up new places for them to stop the attacks amongst themselves, or just leave them and accept them mounting them up in tents in fields so you can then compare it to some lousiana prison.


I'm not sure what you are expecting from the USA here dezzy, and I fully understand that kids are dying, bit without opening thier borders and housing these kids in foster homes far and wide across the USA, then I'm not to sure what else they can do.

[Tom4784]

They have followed that, they have forced the countries that these "children" are fleeing from into taking "drastic"measures to stop the "uncontrollable" influx of "unnacompanied"children that are "caught" at the "border" of the USA and Mexico.



Just tell me what they should do cause I am all ears...you can't put them.all together because I'm "assuming" that may incite some murders amongst eachother....so what, what should they do?

Open up new places for them to stop the attacks amongst themselves, or just leave them and accept them mounting them up in tents in fields so you can then compare it to some lousiana prison.


I'm not sure what you are expecting from the USA here dezzy, and I fully understand that kids are dying, bit without opening thier borders and housing these kids in foster homes far and wide across the USA, then I'm not to sure what else they can do.

You really need to do your research into what the Flores Agreement is because you obviously don't know what it is if you think it's being upheld.

The fact that you think these children would murder each other says it all. You don't see them as children, you said as much when you said children in speech marks. You see them as an enemy, inevitable killers based on absolutely nothing aside from the fact that they are migrants and that is so completely ****ed up.

It explains why you're so unbothered by the deaths of children in captivity. They are enemy combatants to you, evidently.

The answer is simple, uphold the law the US agreed to and follow the Flores Agreement. They have a duty of care to unaccompanied children and they must offer these children legal aid and education as well as ensuring their safety. These children are dying due to poor conditions in the tent cities and camps that the Trump Administration have set up and they are being denied the things that the US are legally obligated to provide.

You can't silence criticism of the president you love by demanding people do his job for him. He is the elected official, it's his administration that is in control and it's not down to the people to figure out his messes, only to air their views so that the administration could listen and fix the problems the people have. This is basic tbh, you should understand how democracy works.

[Beso]

The kids are not dying in the tent cities, they are taken to hospital when they come unwell.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/4th-migrant-child-dies-in-u-s-custody-since-december

[Beso]

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/07/10/politics/flores-settlement-history/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F



I'm not sure what part the trump administration isn't upholding dezzy...nor why you would think and claim that I see 2 4 and 6 yr old kids as enemy combatants...That sounds as silly as it looked in your post.

[Vicky.]

Very sad and it is depressing how these children aren't even viewed as people it seems. I say it everytime on this subject but we are all just lucky that we've been born in places that allow us to live a decent life, if we weren't we'd all be trying to get somewhere where our kids could have a better shot in life aswell

Agree with this 100%. We are extremely lucky, and really thats all it is, luck. Where you were pushed out of a vagina defines if you are an actual person or someone who it just a parasite who wants to take all of a countries money and be looked after as clearly theres no reason to move unless you are greedy. Even kids. I never understand those berating parents for wanting a better life for their kids. I know I would do it, if in the situation, and fairly sure near all others would too. No way is someone going to sit and think 'well my kids couldhave a decent education, be safer and looked after etc, however the people in that country would not be happy so of course I won't go'

[Tom4784]

The kids are not dying in the tent cities, they are taken to hospital when they come unwell.....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/4th-migrant-child-dies-in-u-s-custody-since-december

Oooh, that makes their deaths okay then, they are getting ill and aren't getting the care they need where they are detained but at least they get the privilege of dying in a hospital instead of the squalor the border patrol have them living in.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2018/07/10/politics/flores-settlement-history/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F



I'm not sure what part the trump administration isn't upholding dezzy...nor why you would think and claim that I see 2 4 and 6 yr old kids as enemy combatants...That sounds as silly as it looked in your post.

The part that I've mentioned several times but you keep ignoring since you don't have an answer for it. Quality of life is an issue, these kids aren't dropping dead just because and plus they are entitled to an education and legal aid which the government are cutting funding too, again. I've said this before.

As for the other thing you said, this is a quote of yours.

Just tell me what they should do cause I am all ears...you can't put them.all together because I'm "assuming" that may incite some murders amongst eachother....so what, what should they do?

Tell me, why do you assume they'd kill each other? Do kids typically resort to murder if put together? No, they do not so why would these migrant children murder each other at the drop of a hat? Explain your thought process to me because it just looks like you're dehumanising them and making them out to be a danger when they're just kids trying to get to safety. When you consider someone a danger to you, you begin to consider them an enemy.

[user104658]

Honestly I don't know how anyone can even attempt to justify something like this. Can it even be debated? The mindset required to even for a moment think that it's appropriate to house anyone - let alone children - in an ex internment camp is so twisted that it's like arguing against a brick wall.

I never understand those berating parents for wanting a better life for their kids. I know I would do it, if in the situation, and fairly sure near all others would too. No way is someone going to sit and think 'well my kids couldhave a decent education, be safer and looked after etc, however the people in that country would not be happy so of course I won't go'

It's a bizarre slice of cognitive dissonance... the idea that parents seeking a better existence for their children in a wealthier country are somehow acting immorally. Is there anything less immoral than risking your liberty, and your life, for a better life for your family??

But of course as I say cognitive dissonance because we all know that the people who are firmly against people from elsewhere doing this, would be first in line at the docks if the UK somehow became a warzone. Yet people actually deny this flat out. "No I'd stay in my home and starve because it's the right thing to do :hee:" - or - "Well I'd go but I'd stop at the first safe country even if it was a freezng cold, dirty, temporary camp!". Utter BS.

[Niamh.]

Honestly I don't know how anyone can even attempt to justify something like this. Can it even be debated? The mindset required to even for a moment think that it's appropriate to house anyone - let alone children - in an ex internment camp is so twisted that it's like arguing against a brick wall.



It's a bizarre slice of cognitive dissonance... the idea that parents seeking a better existence for their children in a wealthier country are somehow acting immorally. Is there anything less immoral than risking your liberty, and your life, for a better life for your family??

But of course as I say cognitive dissonance because we all know that the people who are firmly against people from elsewhere doing this, would be first in line at the docks if the UK somehow became a warzone. Yet people actually deny this flat out. "No I'd stay in my home and starve because it's the right thing to do :hee:" - or - "Well I'd go but I'd stop at the first safe country even if it was a freezng cold, dirty, temporary camp!". Utter BS.

Yep, it's ludicrous. I'd like a show of hands for all those who wouldn't try and leave a war torn/massively poor country in search of a better future for their kids and themselves

[Oliver_W]

Objectively speaking, it's no different to locking them in a disused summer camp. They have beds, facilities for eating and washing, some Japanese internment camps even had schooling provisions.

Where else would you suggest they're put? The foster system is already overburdened. Should they be turned out onto the streets? Sent back to Mexico?

[Beso]

Oooh, that makes their deaths okay then, they are getting ill and aren't getting the care they need where they are detained but at least they get the privilege of dying in a hospital instead of the squalor the border patrol have them living in.



The part that I've mentioned several times but you keep ignoring since you don't have an answer for it. Quality of life is an issue, these kids aren't dropping dead just because and plus they are entitled to an education and legal aid which the government are cutting funding too, again. I've said this before.

As for the other thing you said, this is a quote of yours.



Tell me, why do you assume they'd kill each other? Do kids typically resort to murder if put together? No, they do not so why would these migrant children murder each other at the drop of a hat? Explain your thought process to me because it just looks like you're dehumanising them and making them out to be a danger when they're just kids trying to get to safety. When you consider someone a danger to you, you begin to consider them an enemy.



The kids were ill before entering the USA. They did not fall ill once they crossed the border, most were from one particular country that has many obscure tropical diseases that are extremely dangerous to young children...isn't it Congress who has cut funding?

Fair enough about the murdering comments, I didn't realise these kids were infants in some cases as I thought we were talking about unnacompanied"children...

[Beso]

Yep, it's ludicrous. I'd like a show of hands for all those who wouldn't try and leave a war torn/massively poor country in search of a better future for their kids and themselves

Of course I would, but after months of hardship during the journey I think a lay down in a bed for two months or so would be a godsend...I certainly wouldn't care what the building had been used for in the past considering all the mental asylums that all re now plush 3-4 bed apartment blocks...Toy Soldier mentioned brick walls before, very apt, cause in the end that's all it is...brick walls.

[Tom4784]

The kids were ill before entering the USA. They did not fall ill once they crossed the border, most were from one particular country that has many obscure tropical diseases that are extremely dangerous to young children...isn't it Congress who has cut funding?

Fair enough about the murdering comments, I didn't realise these kids were infants in some cases as I thought we were talking about unnacompanied"children...

That's an assumption, I can't see anywhere that's listed the cause of deaths for these children and even if it was some 'obscure tropical disease' it likely would be nothing that can't be treated by a developed country like the US. These children are dying, not on the US' doorstep but while they are in custody.

Congress did not cut funding, no. That is a lie to frame democrats as the villains when the cuts came from the Health and Human Services Department of the government.

[chuff me dizzy]

Whoops seems some people have missed the fact that St Obama used this same place back in 2014


https://www.dailywire.com/news/48407/media-trump-using-former-japanese-internment-camp-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

[Beso]

That's an assumption, I can't see anywhere that's listed the cause of deaths for these children and even if it was some 'obscure tropical disease' it likely would be nothing that can't be treated by a developed country like the US. These children are dying, not on the US' doorstep but while they are in custody.

Congress did not cut funding, no. That is a lie to frame democrats as the villains when the cuts came from the Health and Human Services Department of the government.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/4th-migrant-child-dies-in-u-s-custody-since-december



Thing is, if you read up on these kids it is the border patrol guards that have tried to save thier lives...the kids were in thier parents custody.

[Tom4784]

Whoops seems some people have missed the fact that St Obama used this same place back in 2014


https://www.dailywire.com/news/48407/media-trump-using-former-japanese-internment-camp-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

It was an outrage then and it's an outrage now, that article doesn't change a thing. Why aren't you criticising the current administration for not fixing a mistake by the previous administration? It seems like Trump's content to keep repeating the same mistakes as his predecessor while blaming them instead of taking responsibility in not changing a damn thing, in fact, he has made the whole situation worse since family separations by the border forces were dramatically lower and were rarely done more than a dozen times throughout Obama's reign compared to the thousands of children separated from their parents under Trump's regime.

Blaming Obama for Trump choosing to make the same mistakes make no sense. It's just a diversion to try to brush the bodies of these dead children under the rug.

[Beso]

Whoops seems some people have missed the fact that St Obama used this same place back in 2014


https://www.dailywire.com/news/48407/media-trump-using-former-japanese-internment-camp-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro




2016 has the highest recording of migrant children being detained....I think this year will beat it though.

[Tom4784]

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/4th-migrant-child-dies-in-u-s-custody-since-december



Thing is, if you read up on these kids it is the border patrol guards that have tried to save thier lives...the kids were in thier parents custody.

It mentions two children that were with their parents but ultimately, if they are in the custody of Border Services, those services have a duty of care to the people they are holding so if a child dies, it's often down to negligence of the people who were supposed to care for the people they detained.

[Beso]

It was an outrage then and it's an outrage now, that article doesn't change a thing. Why aren't you criticising the current administration for not fixing a mistake by the previous administration? It seems like Trump's content to keep repeating the same mistakes as his predecessor while blaming them instead of taking responsibility in not changing a damn thing, in fact, he has made the whole situation worse since family separations by the border forces were dramatically lower and were rarely done more than a dozen times throughout Obama's reign compared to the thousands of children separated from their parents under Trump's regime.

Blaming Obama for Trump choosing to make the same mistakes make no sense. It's just a diversion to try to brush the bodies of these dead children under the rug.

Kids do not get separated from thier parents...they get separated from people claiming to be thier uncle or some other relative...a wise move in this day and age.

[Beso]

It mentions two children that were with their parents but ultimately, if they are in the custody of Border Services, those services have a duty of care to the people they are holding so if a child dies, it's often down to negligence of the people who were supposed to care for the people they detained.

The parents are supposed to care for thier child, hence the uprooting in the first place...I look at it more like the parents are being detained and they just happen to have thier child with them.


read up on each child a bit more..:shrug:

[arista]

Whoops seems some people have missed the fact that St Obama used this same place back in 2014


https://www.dailywire.com/news/48407/media-trump-using-former-japanese-internment-camp-james-barrett?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro



The President get away with everything.

[arista]

It was an outrage then and it's an outrage now, that article doesn't change a thing. Why aren't you criticising the current administration for not fixing a mistake by the previous administration? It seems like Trump's content to keep repeating the same mistakes as his predecessor while blaming them instead of taking responsibility in not changing a damn thing, in fact, he has made the whole situation worse since family separations by the border forces were dramatically lower and were rarely done more than a dozen times throughout Obama's reign compared to the thousands of children separated from their parents under Trump's regime.

Blaming Obama for Trump choosing to make the same mistakes make no sense. It's just a diversion to try to brush the bodies of these dead children under the rug.


Not by you

[chuff me dizzy]

The President get away with everything.

Worst President in living memory ,yet hailed a St ,he had the worst record for kicking out immigrants ever

[Tom4784]

Kids do not get separated from thier parents...they get separated from people claiming to be thier uncle or some other relative...a wise move in this day and age.

And you think there's been thousands of kids crossing the border with people pretending to be their parents? Do you honestly believe that's realistic?

[Tom4784]

The parents are supposed to care for thier child, hence the uprooting in the first place...I look at it more like the parents are being detained and they just happen to have thier child with them.


read up on each child a bit more..:shrug:

The parents are detained, their ability to care for an ill child is limited by the people keeping them detained, hence duty of care.

[Tom4784]

Not by you

And how the **** do you know what I am outraged by, Arista? You don't so don't try it.

[Tom4784]

Worst President in living memory ,yet hailed a St ,he had the worst record for kicking out immigrants ever

A good example of a very selective memory.

Where is your condemnation for the current administration and their failings?

[Beso]

The parents are detained, their ability to care for an ill child is limited by the people keeping them detained, hence duty of care.

It was the people who are keeping them detained that took the kids to hospital because they were vomiting. .the parents in one case were waving them away.

[Matthew.]

This is awful and I’m sorry but if you think this is okay then there’s something missing, either a heart, a brain, or in some cases in here, both.

[thesheriff443]

Nothing any one posts in this thread will make any difference, no matter how much you are out raged.

[Beso]

This is awful and I’m sorry but if you think this is okay then there’s something missing, either a heart, a brain, or in some cases, both.

What!!! opening up other buildings and areas to help the over crowding in other areas is awful....and people who think this is ok don't have a heart or a brain...are you sure?

[Matthew.]

What!!! opening up other buildings and areas to help the over crowding in other areas is awful....and people who think this is ok don't have a heart or a brain...are you sure?

I mean the conditions of the place... This is what I mean, brainless.

[Beso]

I mean the conditions of the place... This is what I mean, brainless.

I'm sure it's had a lick off paint, silly.

[Oliver_W]

I mean the conditions of the place... This is what I mean, brainless.

Given that it's currently an army base (https://www.fastcompany.com/90363152/migrant-children-held-fort-sill-japanese-american-internment-camp), I can't imagine the conditions are the same as they were back in last century, when it was used as an internment camp ... or do you know something we don't?