Jeremy Corbyn supports terrorists again

[bots]

Jeremy Corbyn has questioned whether the government has "credible evidence" to show Iran is behind the attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.

Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said responsibility "almost certainly" lies with the Iranian regime.

But the Labour leader tweeted that the UK should ease tensions in the region, not fuel a military escalation.

The explosions on Thursday came in the Gulf of Oman - a strategic waterway crucial to global energy supplies.

It is the second time in the past few weeks that tankers appear to have been attacked in the region and comes amid escalating tension between Iran and the United States.

The US military released video footage which it said proved Iran was behind the blasts - something Iran has categorically denied.

The UK Foreign Office said it was "almost certain" that a branch of the Iranian military - the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps - attacked the two tankers on 13 June, adding that "no other state or non-state actor could plausibly have been responsible".

"These latest attacks build on a pattern of destabilising Iranian behaviour and pose a serious danger to the region," Mr Hunt said.

However, in a tweet Mr Corbyn questioned that assessment.

He previously cautioned against making "hasty judgements" in the wake of last year's Salisbury nerve agent attack, which the government blamed on the Russian state.

His stance attracted some criticism, including from a number of his own MPs, although the Labour leader did subsequently say that the evidence clearly pointed to the Russian state.


US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Iran was behind what he described as the latest in a series of "unprovoked attacks".

He said the US had made its assessment based on intelligence about the type of weapons used.

To back up its version of events, the US military released a video which it says shows Iran's Revolutionary Guard removing an unexploded limpet mine from one of the ships - hours after the initial detonations.

The blasts came a month after four oil tankers were damaged in an attack off the coast of the United Arab Emirates. The US blamed Iran for that attack, but did not produce evidence. Iran also denied those accusations.

Tensions between the US and Iran have escalated significantly since US President Donald Trump took office in 2017.

He abandoned a nuclear deal that was brokered by Barack Obama's administration and significantly tightened sanctions on Iran.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48645280

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As always, Corbyn sides with the terrorist

[joeysteele]

I'm surprised at his statement and think its ill advised.
Best to have kept silent.
Although he'd be hammered for not saying anything too by the usual jumping on his back people.

However Leaders saying it's almost certain it was Iran, doesn't mean it is certain.

So maybe those in power would do better to comment when it is certain, rather than just almost.

It's a volatile area, sensitivity and more care and consultation should be exercised by all World leaders before firing accusations.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hes always been a terrorist supporter, he refuses to sing our national anthem but will stand shoulder to shoulder with the worlds terrorists

[joeysteele]

Hes always been a terrorist supporter, he refuses to sing our national anthem but will stand shoulder to shoulder with the worlds terrorists

Sorry but that's rubbish in my view.
I don't care for the man or his leadership of the Labour Party.

However we never seem to learn whoever is in power in the UK.
Labour or Conservative.
To take more care before we add to the hate, volatility and explosiveness of the middle east.
By firing instant accusations out there ,while even admitting it's only almost certain, not certain.

Tensions in the area are bad enough before rushing in accusing before all facts are known.

[bots]

How many times now has Corbyn taken the side of the terrorist over those of simple people trying to get through their day. I've honestly lost count, it's been that many. Are people actually trying to say its the fault of governments that stand up to these terrorists? Lets just forget the fact that Iran is actively developing a nuclear capability and is a genuine world terrorist

[Vicky.]

I don't really see how wanting credible evidence that it was actually Iran is him supporting the terrorists who did it. Mind I am usually a little baffled by whats classed as 'terrorist sympathising' when it comes to Corbyn. Honestly, I just see it as another stick to beat him with and..whatever he says is twisted. Saying that basically we should know more before pointing fingers (hell, even if it IS most likely to be Iran, which it is) is not, IMO anyway, taking the side of the terrorists.

However I won't really waste much time arguing on here, as I know the replies I will get and honestly, I cannot stand Corbyn these days so don't really feel the need to defend him like I used to :laugh:

Oh, and I agree working to ease tensions is probably a better response overall to going in all guns blazing. Though honestly, I have no clue how to sort the Iran thing, seems something thats always going to be an issue, started long ago and will continue forever..

[Liam-]

He’s not really supporting terrorists though is he? He’s asking for credible, unquestionable evidence before we get ourselves involved in something we shouldn’t be, if more people asked for credible evidence of things, we probably wouldn’t have ended up holding hands with America in an illegal war in Iraq.

He’s an intelligent man asking the relevant questions rather than being a trigger happy war feind like everyone else.. imo.

[joeysteele]

He’s not really supporting terrorists though is he? He’s asking for credible, unquestionable evidence before we get ourselves involved in something we shouldn’t be, if more people asked for credible evidence of things, we probably wouldn’t have ended up holding hands with America in an illegal war in Iraq.

He’s an intelligent man asking the relevant questions rather than being a trigger happy war feind like everyone else.. imo.

Totally agree re Iraq too.

[chuff me dizzy]

How many times now has Corbyn taken the side of the terrorist over those of simple people trying to get through their day. I've honestly lost count, it's been that many. Are people actually trying to say its the fault of governments that stand up to these terrorists? Lets just forget the fact that Iran is actively developing a nuclear capability and is a genuine world terrorist

Exactly !!

[user104658]

Tony Blair: *sends us into Iraq on flimsy / non-existent evidence.*

British Public: "Blair is a war criminal who should be locked up for the rest of his life!!"


Jeremy Corbyn: *suggests we should make sure we have solid evidence before pointing fingers at Iran*

British Public: "Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser who shouldn't be anywhere near politics!"




Sigh. I'm not a Corbyn fan these days, he's just as much a part of the English political farce as any other, but come on. The hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so worrying.

[Kate!]

He’s not really supporting terrorists though is he? He’s asking for credible, unquestionable evidence before we get ourselves involved in something we shouldn’t be, if more people asked for credible evidence of things, we probably wouldn’t have ended up holding hands with America in an illegal war in Iraq.

He’s an intelligent man asking the relevant questions rather than being a trigger happy war feind like everyone else.. imo.


Agree. Jeremy is being sensible about it.

[James]

Well he was, until quite recently, a paid contributor to the Iran government's 'Press TV'.....

[Twosugars]

Just dont believe Iran would be so naive
I'd say is a cia/mossad operation

[Twosugars]

Well he was, until quite recently, a paid contributor to the Iran government's 'Press TV'.....

Didn't Farage appear on RT

[chuff me dizzy]

Its Armed Forces day, lets see if Comrade Corbyn turns up and sings our national anthem, he never showed last year and chose to go to Glastenbury in 2017

[Cherie]

He will never get into power hopefully

[Oliver_W]

As much as I don't want him anywhere near power, he's not wrong here. No point in getting involved in middle eastern squabbles.

[chuff me dizzy]

He will never get into power hopefully

Everything crossed he doesn't !!

[arista]

Well he was, until quite recently, a paid contributor to the Iran government's 'Press TV'.....


Yes they have to broadcast online only , now

[Vicky.]

Tony Blair: *sends us into Iraq on flimsy / non-existent evidence.*

British Public: "Blair is a war criminal who should be locked up for the rest of his life!!"


Jeremy Corbyn: *suggests we should make sure we have solid evidence before pointing fingers at Iran*

British Public: "Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser who shouldn't be anywhere near politics!"

Yup.

[bots]

So we should just ignore all the other times that Corbyn has supported terrorists before believing others on countless occasions and assume he is genuine this time?

[user104658]

So we should just ignore all the other times that Corbyn has supported terrorists before believing others on countless occasions and assume he is genuine this time?It's not really about believing or not believing Corbyn, rather having the common sense to see that - regardless - jumping into action without being 100% sure is not a good idea either way, so the suggestion that we should wait is sensible.

You would think we had learned lessons from Iraq but apparently not. Like I said... People are still quick to demonise Bush and Blair for Iraq in one breath, then advocate condemning and dare I say invading Iran in the next.

[James]

There is a tendency with Corbyn-types to back any regime that opposes America and the West in general.

He did the same as this with the Salisbury poisoning and Russia, remember.

Didn't Farage appear on RT

Probably did. I noticed the other day that Alex Salmond still has a show on there. :shocked:

[Oliver_W]

I would say something about stopped clocks, but even twice a day is too much ...

An old calendar is right every eleven years or so!

[Twosugars]

There is a tendency with Corbyn-types to back any regime that opposes America and the West in general.

He did the same as this with the Salisbury poisoning and Russia, remember.



Probably did. I noticed the other day that Alex Salmond still has a show on there. :shocked:

True, Corbyn is blinkered

Used to like Salmond, disappointed how he ended up

[Twosugars]

Let's face it, trump and his neocon security adviser Bolton are spoiling for a war with Iran.

[MTVN]

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^ is why a lot of people get frustrated when Corbyn makes comments like this

Be interested to know what was not credible about the footage the US released yesterday

[Oliver_W]

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^ is why a lot of people get frustrated when Corbyn makes comments like this

Be interested to know what was not credible about the footage the US released yesterday

Yeah the UK is basically always in the wrong, and dodgy regimes are in the right.

[arista]

Let's face it, trump and his neocon security adviser Bolton are spoiling for a war with Iran.


Trump is still prepared to Talk with Iran,


Iran at this time , refuses.

[Twosugars]

Trump is still prepared to Talk with Iran,


Iran at this time , refuses.

What reasons are given for refusal?

[user104658]

Be interested to know what was not credible about the footage the US released yesterday

The US released it and the current US president has lied through his teeth on a regular basis since the moment he was sworn in?

[user104658]

Just wait for the screeching and whining of everyone who is currently desperate for Iraq 2.0 when the inevitable destruction sends waves of Iranian families our way as refugees.

"Reeeee get out of here we don't want you here nothing to do with us!! Freeloaders! Scum!"

... After y'all have been practically drooling over the prospect of bombing their homes to dust under Trump's banner.

[arista]

What reasons are given for refusal?


"Trust"

[Northern Monkey]

Yes Corbyn does have some very dodgy ‘friends’ and does enjoy siding with anyone but Britain a lot of the time.

Also i saw the footage and it definitely shows a boat of people doing something very suspicious to a tanker.
I do think it is probably Iran and i’d be inclined to believe US military intelligence.

However on this issue i think Corbyn is right.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised.
We DO NOT want to rush into war with Iran.
It would be massive and hugely costly and bloody with no quick victory.It would play out in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Iran is not like Iraq.It is a lot bigger with a much bigger population.
Its navy has a tactical advantage due to its location and the Persian gulf(an important oil route) would become a huge war zone.US ships could get trapped in there.
Iran has a big arsenal of missiles and a bigger army too.
Let’s try not to get into a war there.
I don’t think Trump wants war but the war mongers alongside him do.
It’s a dangerous situation and everything should be done to calm tensions.

[Oliver_W]

Just wait for the screeching and whining of everyone who is currently desperate for Iraq 2.0 when the inevitable destruction sends waves of Iranian families our way as refugees.

"Reeeee get out of here we don't want you here nothing to do with us!! Freeloaders! Scum!"

... After y'all have been practically drooling over the prospect of bombing their homes to dust under Trump's banner.

Who are you even talking to? No-one here has said they wanted action to be taken in Iran.

[Liam-]

The US released it and the current US president has lied through his teeth on a regular basis since the moment he was sworn in?

Just wait for the screeching and whining of everyone who is currently desperate for Iraq 2.0 when the inevitable destruction sends waves of Iranian families our way as refugees.

"Reeeee get out of here we don't want you here nothing to do with us!! Freeloaders! Scum!"

... After y'all have been practically drooling over the prospect of bombing their homes to dust under Trump's banner.

Exactly my thoughts :clap1:

#TS2022

[MTVN]

The US released it and the current US president has lied through his teeth on a regular basis since the moment he was sworn in?

Its a bit silly to dismiss any evidence, no matter how compelling, because you don't like the source

[Twosugars]

Trump is still prepared to Talk with Iran,


Iran at this time , refuses.

And as we know trump always tells the truth :laugh:

He's been after Iran from the start. Despite what our and other western governments have been telling him.
And now Iran conveniently "attacked" the tankers.

[James]

You can be against a war, and still not turn a blind eye to other countries wrong-doing.

It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[Beso]

He's just an insignificant nosey old man.

[joeysteele]

Yes Corbyn does have some very dodgy ‘friends’ and does enjoy siding with anyone but Britain a lot of the time.

Also i saw the footage and it definitely shows a boat of people doing something very suspicious to a tanker.
I do think it is probably Iran and i’d be inclined to believe US military intelligence.

However on this issue i think Corbyn is right.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised.
We DO NOT want to rush into war with Iran.
It would be massive and hugely costly and bloody with no quick victory.It would play out in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Iran is not like Iraq.It is a lot bigger with a much bigger population.
Its navy has a tactical advantage due to its location and the Persian gulf(an important oil route) would become a huge war zone.US ships could get trapped in there.
Iran has a big arsenal of missiles and a bigger army too.
Let’s try not to get into a war there.
I don’t think Trump wants war but the war mongers alongside him do.
It’s a dangerous situation and everything should be done to calm tensions.

Very fair post NM.
I can go with all you've said.

[Nicky91]

Yes Corbyn does have some very dodgy ‘friends’ and does enjoy siding with anyone but Britain a lot of the time.

Also i saw the footage and it definitely shows a boat of people doing something very suspicious to a tanker.
I do think it is probably Iran and i’d be inclined to believe US military intelligence.

However on this issue i think Corbyn is right.
Extreme caution needs to be exercised.
We DO NOT want to rush into war with Iran.
It would be massive and hugely costly and bloody with no quick victory.It would play out in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
Iran is not like Iraq.It is a lot bigger with a much bigger population.
Its navy has a tactical advantage due to its location and the Persian gulf(an important oil route) would become a huge war zone.US ships could get trapped in there.
Iran has a big arsenal of missiles and a bigger army too.
Let’s try not to get into a war there.
I don’t think Trump wants war but the war mongers alongside him do.
It’s a dangerous situation and everything should be done to calm tensions.

true but there has already been quite a lot of conflict in middle-east, and for that sake i hope they make correct decisions this time, everything like you say with calm tensions

and yeah going into war with Iran is stupid, they do have a big military force so that would most likely lead to the loss of many american soldiers


also Iran might have still an anger towards US that they (even though an accident) shot down a Iran Air passenger plane under stress, some years back, the USS Vincennes as i remember correctly

[bots]

Nobody wants a war with Iran, but equally, they cannot be allowed to continue down their current path.

If America did go in to a war with Iran, it wouldn't be a conventional war. Nukes would be used, so we cannot view it in the same light as previous conflicts.

[Beso]

I don't think it's fair to say that a man who has sat down with China and north Korea is looking to be starting wars.

[user104658]

Its a bit silly to dismiss any evidence, no matter how compelling, because you don't like the source

Who suggested "dismissing" evidence? I agree with you but it's also "a bit silly" to make a snap judgement based on ONE piece of evidence and without bothering to fully examine that piece of evidence.

Evidence should be weighed with a level-head and action taken with consideration and caution. Appartently, Corbyn saying that makes him "a terrorists sympathiser RrrreeeEEeehhh!!11!1!". People seem to just adore being reactionary, over-dramatic and illogical... it's a pretty worrying trend, but I don't think it's anything new really. The new and scary thing is that the "people in charge" have jumped on the same bandwagon in the last few years :facepalm:.

[Tom4784]

It doesn't read like he's 'supporting terrorists' to me, it just reads like he's telling people not to be rash. Plus isn't there a lot of doubt around those tanker attacks anyway? Germany doubts it, even the owner of one of the tankers doubts it was Iran.

Better to wait and see than to jump to conclusions but since it's Corbyn, people who are opposed to him will instantly use it to make out that he is supporting terrorism.

[Twosugars]

I don't think it's fair to say that a man who has sat down with China and north Korea is looking to be starting wars.

Every president since Nixon "sat down" with China. But trump started the trade war

[Nicky91]

Every president since Nixon "sat down" with China. But trump started the trade war

+ Trump also insulted North Korean leader kim jong-un first, calling him ''little rocket man''

[Livia]

So we should just ignore all the other times that Corbyn has supported terrorists before believing others on countless occasions and assume he is genuine this time?

That's about the size of it.

Every time he supports a terrorist or a terrorist regime, we have to give him the benefit of the doubt and discount all the other evidence.