Female CEO of ITV orders No More Comedy Writer Teams can only be men

[arista]

Trouble maker
there will be some Male Writer teams that do not want
a female on the table.



Sign Of The Times.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/18/head-of-itv-comedy-drops-all-male-writing-teams?CMP=share_btn_link

[Niamh.]

good for her

[arista]

good for her



But what about the Solid Men Only Comedy Teams
that do not need a additional Women Writer
adding pink dresses?

[Niamh.]

But what about the Solid Men Only Comedy Teams
that do not need a additional Women Writer
adding pinlk dresses?

Adding pink dresses? I don't understand what you mean here in regards to writing comedy? Or was this your attempt at some sort of sexist humour? If so I wouldn't be applying yourself to be one of the writing teams

[arista]

Carolyn McCall
the CEO of ITV
creates a war.

[Oliver_W]

Yawn. For all she knows she could be excluding the next Monty Python, all to signal about how 'inclusive' they're being.

The only question that should be asked is 'how much money will they make us?' Discriminating based on gender is just wrong.

[Niamh.]

Carolyn McCall
the CEO of ITV
creates a war.

oh fab much better than creating pink dresses

[arista]

Yawn. For all she knows she could be excluding the next Monty Python, all to signal about how 'inclusive' they're being.

The only question that should be asked is 'how much money will they make us?' Discriminating based on gender is just wrong.




Great Points
Oliver W.

[bots]

My understanding was that she reviewed the content and it was male centric. She then looked at the writers and there were 5 * as many male writers selected compared to women. Thats not a balanced situation.

[Firewire]

Yawn. For all she knows she could be excluding the next Monty Python, all to signal about how 'inclusive' they're being.

The only question that should be asked is 'how much money will they make us?' Discriminating based on gender is just wrong.

Why can't a woman be part of the next "Monty Python"?

[Alf]

If you can't win fairly, then you may as well cheat.

[bots]

If you can't win fairly, then you may as well cheat.

that's exactly what the male writers have been doing for decades

[Alf]

Why can't a woman be part of the next "Monty Python"?Nobody is stopping them.

However, this CEO is saying that she'll stop men.

[bots]

Yawn. For all she knows she could be excluding the next Monty Python, all to signal about how 'inclusive' they're being.

The only question that should be asked is 'how much money will they make us?' Discriminating based on gender is just wrong.

Arguably Cleese's best work, Faulty towers, was co-written with his wife a long time ago, so he had no issue with it.

[arista]

Why can't a woman be part of the next "Monty Python"?


There was one Sexy Blonde
that did appear on the show.

[Beso]

Has he not heard jo brands latest offering fgs

[arista]

Has he not heard jo brands latest offering fgs



She is on BBC
this is ITV

[Oliver_W]

Why can't a woman be part of the next "Monty Python"?

There could well be. Luckily such a team would be given the light, while a possible equally brilliant team will be discriminated against for their collective gender.

[Niamh.]

There could well be. Luckily such a team would be given the light, while a possible equally brilliant team will be discriminated against for their collective gender.

Comedy is a massively gender biassed area when it comes to women being fairly dealt with and represented. Sometimes intervention is needed to kick things into modern times

[Oliver_W]

Comedy is a massively gender biassed area when it comes to women being fairly dealt with and represented. Sometimes intervention is needed to kick things into modern times

All that's "needed" is for it to be funny, and to make money.

A comedy which has great commercial potential and has a sense of humour which has wider subjectivity should come before something more niche, regardless of which genders have written which.

[Alf]

Comedy is under attack, and being forced to die off. I've been saying it for ages.

There is still some life online, but they're coming for that too.

We must all be as miserable as the self diagnosed oppressed.

[Niamh.]

All that's "needed" is for it to be funny, and to make money.

A comedy which has great commercial potential and has a sense of humour which has wider subjectivity should come before something more niche, regardless of which genders have written which.

That is so untrue, spoken like a man though, well done

[Oliver_W]

That is so untrue, spoken like a man though, well done

Why do you think comedies on a commercial platform don't need to be funny or profitable?

[Liam-]

A gender balance in comedy is always a good thing, the more women in writing teams the less sexist comedy get put on screen, however, I fail to remember the last time itv actually put a good comedy out so a refresh in writers is probably needed

[Alf]

History clearly tells us that men are just funnier than women.

Facts don't care about your feelings

[Niamh.]

Why do you think comedies on a commercial platform don't need to be funny or profitable?

Are you purposely misunderstanding my point or do you genuinely not understand it?

[Alf]

I think a gender balance in Boxing is a must.

[Oliver_W]

Are you purposely misunderstanding my point or do you genuinely not understand it?

You've not actually made a point, apart from "we needs more representation"

Let's assume I misunderstand it, go ahead and reiterate :)

[Niamh.]

Why do you think comedies on a commercial platform don't need to be funny or profitable?

History clearly tells us that men are just funnier than women.

Facts don't care about your feelings

Actually here you go, Alf perfectly illustrates what women are up against when they try to get a foot in the door but pretend that sort of sexist bias doesn't exist if you like

[Alf]

Smack the Pony

[Niamh.]

I think a gender balance in Boxing is a must.

Katie Taylor is leading the way for that

[GiRTh]

ITV isnt really known for its comedy so I'm surprised they have USA type 'teams'. The best comedies this country has produced usually have writers who are familiar with each other and not random comedy writers hired for the job.

This is to be encouraged if the comedy is becoming too laddish. Female writers are sadly underused in comedy.

[Twosugars]

Great idea, long overdue

[Liam-]

I think the last original comedy thing they put out was Plebs wasn’t it? That was ****ing dire so if someone could put a stop that it would have been lovely

[Alf]

Caroline Aherne was a woman and a comedy genius, as was Victoria Wood.

No sexist man could admit to that.

I don't want French and Saunders to be forced to write with men. Do you?

[Oliver_W]

Actually here you go, Alf perfectly illustrates what women are up against when they try to get a foot in the door but pretend that sort of sexist bias doesn't exist if you like

That's separate to my point though. I wasn't saying women don't face problems when it comes to comedy. I was saying the only things that should be considered are comedic value and profitability.

Opening doors should be a happy coincidence, not an aim.

[Niamh.]

That's separate to my point though. I wasn't saying women don't face problems when it comes to comedy. I was saying the only things that should be considered are comedic value and profitability.

Opening doors should be a happy coincidence, not an aim.

But you said "all that's needed" and that isn't accurate because what's also needed is to be allowed a seat at the table so you can have a voice to fulfil the other requirements ie. being funny and making money

[Oliver_W]

But you said "all that's needed" and that isn't accurate because what's also needed is to be allowed a seat at the table so you can have a voice to fulfil the other requirements ie. being funny and making money

Nope, not needed. Comedy shows have no obligation to provide seat and voices for anyone.

[Niamh.]

Nope, not needed. Comedy shows have no obligation to provide seat and voices for anyone.

again spoken like a man..........

[Liam-]

Men have been writing bad comedy for decades, let women have a go, it might even improve

[Oliver_W]

again spoken like a man..........

What does my gender have to do with anything? You don't see anyone saying "spoken like a woman" when you're calling for women to be included for the sake of representation.

[Niamh.]

What does my gender have to do with anything? You don't see anyone saying "spoken like a woman" when you're calling for women to be included for the sake of representation.

I would have no problem with you saying "spoken like a woman" to me. Infact absolutely 100% I'm speaking like a woman on this because clearly alot of men (not you BOTS ;) ) don't understand what it feels like to be at an automatic disadvantage on alot of things like this

[Liam-]

Some men do unfortunately feel like the only place for a woman in Comedy is to have their bras randomly pop off or to play the sexy secretary that the boss gropes for a laugh, it’s sad

[Mystic Mock]

Gender balance in Comedy writing teams can only be a good thing because it means more different types of humour possibly being represented in Comedies.

[Oliver_W]

I would have no problem with you saying "spoken like a woman" to me. Infact absolutely 100% I'm speaking like a woman on this because clearly alot of men (not you BOTS ;) ) don't understand what it feels like to be at an automatic disadvantage on alot of things like this

Sure. That sucks. But comedy shows don't need to address this. They need to be funny and profitable. Enforced quotas aren't going to improve anything.

Some men do unfortunately feel like the only place for a woman in Comedy is to have their bras randomly pop off or to play the sexy secretary that the boss gropes for a laugh, it’s sad
Nice strawman there.

[Liam-]

Nice strawman there.

No, it’s sadly true, you see a lot of it online these days, it seems hip in certain circles to look down on women, nice attempt yourself though ;)

[Alf]

No, it’s sadly true, you see a lot of it online these days, it seems hip in certain circles to look down on women, nice attempt yourself though ;)Women are the most privileged sex in the Western World, by far.

[Oliver_W]

No, it’s sadly true, you see a lot of it online these days, it seems hip in certain circles to look down on women, nice attempt yourself though ;)

Literally no-one here expressed such views, so you were addressing no-one x

[Liam-]

Literally no-one here expressed such views, so you were addressing no-one x

I didn’t say anyone here had expressed those views? Bit paranoid there, unless stated otherwise, always assume I’m not referencing anyone personally :love:

[arista]

History clearly tells us that men are just funnier than women.

Facts don't care about your feelings


Thats True.

[Twosugars]

We have two genders, the default position should be both are represented, simple as.

Men got used to being the privileged gender and some hate making room for women. Sad.
The equality is inevitable and dinosaurs will die out or evolve

[Twosugars]

Thats True.

You're confusing female underrepresentation for objective truth

[Oliver_W]

We have two genders, the default position should be both are represented, simple as.

Men got used to being the privileged gender and some hate making room for women. Sad.
The equality is inevitable and dinosaurs will die out or evolve

Would you put the "need" for representation above the need for a good product?

imo if the best team only has one gender, it should be chosen. If the best team has both genders, that should be chosen. But the gender balance shouldn't be a deciding factor, and I'm yet to hear a reason it should be.

[hijaxers]

If you can't win fairly, then you may as well cheat.

Some of the best new comedy is being written by women .

[hijaxers]

Smack the Pony

Fleabag !

[Oliver_W]

Some of the best new comedy is being written by women .

Then I guess we should keep it as a meritocracy and leave it at that.

[Alf]

Some of the best new comedy is being written by women .That might be true, but most of the best new comedy is written by men.

[hijaxers]

I used to love 3 non blondes and Titty Bang Bang ( 2nd series was a lot better than 1st)

[Elliot]

People want so desperately for straight white rich men to stay in power

[Alf]

People want so desperately for straight white rich men to stay in powerFinally, the race baiter brigade arrive in this debate. What took you so long?

[Twosugars]

People want so desperately for straight white rich men to stay in power

True. The current far right surge is all about that really

[Alf]

True

Because, reasons

[Alf]

I'm so sorry for being born a straight, White man.

Can you ever forgive me for this?

[Twosugars]

I'm so sorry for being born a straight, White man.

Can you ever forgive me for this?

Why do you see equality as an existential threat?
It's not about persecution of straight white males but about giving everybody equal rights :shrug:

[Alf]

Why do you see equality as an existential threat?
It's not about persecution of straight white males but about giving everybody equal rights :shrug:Everybody has equal rights, the law of the land says so.

What are you actually fighting for?

Think about that one, I'm off to watch a film, be back in 2-3 hours.

[Marsh.]

Trouble maker
there will be some Male Writer teams that do not want
a female on the table.



Sign Of The Times.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/18/head-of-itv-comedy-drops-all-male-writing-teams?CMP=share_btn_link

So some men don't want to work with women and the head of itv is the trouble maker?

[Marsh.]

Yawn. For all she knows she could be excluding the next Monty Python, all to signal about how 'inclusive' they're being.

The only question that should be asked is 'how much money will they make us?' Discriminating based on gender is just wrong.

Because Monty Python only worked because they were all men?

[Marsh.]

However, this CEO is saying that she'll stop men.

No, she is not. She's creating opportunities for female writers.

[Marsh.]

History clearly tells us that men are just funnier than women.

Facts don't care about your feelings

I find funny things funny, my sense of humour doesn't evaluate the gender of the person writing/performing the comedy before finding it funny.

All history tells us is men were the ones in all of the privileged positions being allowed to play their material to the masses.

[Marsh.]

Everybody has equal rights

:joker: Prove it.

[Oliver_W]

Because Monty Python only worked because they were all men?

No, and that's obviously not what I meant.

There could be an amazing comedy writing team, poised to make their pitch for ITV ... but they wouldn't even be considered, due to their gender.

Discrimination.

[Ammi]

...she wants comedy collaborations with males and females so that the humour will attract different audiences...to make it more inclusive and more diverse....and not to exclude or have it pigeon holed into a type of humour that she feels would be mainly male oriented....and would possibly restrict the audience...it seems a reasonable mindset tbh and will hopefully produce some good and diverse comedy...as oppose to the ‘one kind of joke’ stuff she feels is being produced atm by all Male comedy teams...


Writer Brona C Titley, who works on Celebability, told the festival: “If you have the same type of writers in terms of race or sexual orientation or gender, then you’re only getting one kind of joke.”

[Marsh.]

No, and that's obviously not what I meant.

There could be an amazing comedy writing team, poised to make their pitch for ITV ... but they wouldn't even be considered, due to their gender.

Discrimination.

It's not discrimination at all.

She's had a very male centric slate of commissions, so now wants to broaden the range of content so is requesting a more gender balanced input. It's the entire opposite of discrimination. She hasn't put a big sign up saying "No Men!!"

More TV execs need to take a long hard look at their entire output and see what is repetitive and very samey and work towards broadening the range of voices being given the opportunity to add their voices to the choir.

More diversity is only a good thing, not just for opening up opportunities for more talent behind the scenes, but also giving the viewer a wider range of products to enjoy.

If everyone writing for TV comes from the same backgrounds/experiences, you're going to get an extremely vanilla output.

[Alf]

In 1975 John Cleese and Connie Booth wrote Fawlty Towers together. Nobody complained.

In 1997 Craig Cash and Caroline Aherne wrote The Royle Family together. Nobody complained.

In 2007 James Corden and Ruth Jones wrote Gavin and Stacey together. Nobody complained.

These all happened naturally, and comedy, written and performed by men and women has been happening for almost the entirety of television. nobody was forced into it.

This is just 4th wave feminism in action and nothing else.

[Twosugars]

In 1975 John Cleese and Connie Booth wrote Fawlty Towers together. Nobody complained.

In 1997 Craig Cash and Caroline Aherne wrote The Royle Family together. Nobody complained.

In 2007 James Corden and Ruth Jones wrote Gavin and Stacey together. Nobody complained.

These all happened naturally, and comedy, written and performed by men and women has been happening for almost the entirety of television. nobody was forced into it.

This is just 4th wave feminism in action and nothing else.

You're confusing partnerships with teams. Teams are almost never chosen as a bunch of mates. Never watched the Larry Sanders Show?

[Redway]

But what about the Solid Men Only Comedy Teams
that do not need a additional Women Writer
adding pink dresses?

Pink used to be a manly colour before the trashy 1950s generation cane about and brought with them rigid gender dichotomy. Did you know that?