Birmingham City.

[Mystic Mock]

This is gonna be a rant thread from me so I do apologize, if you don't want to read it then that's fine, if you do then gladly contribute to the thread.

Anyway I am absolutely livid that we have sacked Monk, like Rowett he was starting to get the club respected again and was making the club tough to beat in matches, even in the FA Cup West Ham only got two goals against us which was better than what most people had predicted would happen.

Yet our genius board wants to sack him because we don't play beautiful Football! Who the **** cares if we play beautiful Football!? As long as we get 3 points that's all that should matter imo.

Also I know that nobody will agree with me on what I'm about to say, and some will find it rude, but I get quite mad to see us struggling to stay in the Championship whilst smaller teams like Cardiff, Bournemouth, and Huddersfield have had seasons in the Premier League, and Leicester having a Premier League title win that imo we should've been up there competing for that Premier League title, but instead we're struggling to hold off Burton Albion in recent times (again no offence to Burton) but it shouldn't even be close on who's the better team imo.

But yeah Blues and Villa should both be fighting for titles imo as both of them being second city teams, yet one struggles to hold off Rotherham United due to clownish ownership (who seriously needs to leave the club) and the other Birmingham club needed to be handheld every week by the Referees just to get to the Premier League this season.

In all honesty though I could handle us underachieving and not being a Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc if we actually had competent ownership who had our interests at heart and let us flourish to the point of actually being in the Premier League where we belong.

If the rumours are true then I wish Pep Clotet the best of luck, but his previous track record as Manager concerns me, and he'll have to fight off a bigger enemy than any Villa fan could ever hope to be and that's our owners.

[Beso]

Birmingham and heart of Midlothian have a strong fan connection.

[Mystic Mock]

Birmingham and heart of Midlothian have a strong fan connection.

I like Hearts.

I'll really love them if they can stop Celtic from winning another title.:joker:

[joeysteele]

I agree Mock.
As you know I've supported Birmingham all my time and before on here.

It is annoying and frustrating all that's gone on.
I understand totally, your anger, frustration and disillusionment.

Birmingham should be up there in the Premier league.
There was hope a short while last season where the play offs were a possibility.
So it can be achieved.

Good rant Mock from you and 100% justified.

[Dogeatdog]

I agree Mock, it seemed like Birmingham were turning a corner this season even after points deduction, they managed to finish in a decent-ish position in the table. It does seem like a hell of a daft reason to sack a manager though, made worse by the fact that a lot of fans had respect and faith in him that the board have totally ignored.

Also I know that nobody will agree with me on what I'm about to say, and some will find it rude, but I get quite mad to see us struggling to stay in the Championship whilst smaller teams like Cardiff, Bournemouth, and Huddersfield have had seasons in the Premier League, and Leicester having a Premier League title win that imo we should've been up there competing for that Premier League title, but instead we're struggling to hold off Burton Albion in recent times (again no offence to Burton) but it shouldn't even be close on who's the better team imo.

But yeah Blues and Villa should both be fighting for titles imo as both of them being second city teams, yet one struggles to hold off Rotherham United due to clownish ownership (who seriously needs to leave the club) and the other Birmingham club needed to be handheld every week by the Referees just to get to the Premier League this season.

In all honesty though I could handle us underachieving and not being a Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc if we actually had competent ownership who had our interests at heart and let us flourish to the point of actually being in the Premier League where we belong

I do understand your frustration here as well as this is how I felt a bit about Charlton last season. The issue just comes down to the owners and the way the clubs are being run by them. It’s a shame, I would also like to see Charlton return to the Premier League at some point but with our current owner it is not a possibility. In regards to teams like Bournemouth at the present time, they are a club that are better run and can also attract reasonably good players to keep them in the position they are in.

All you can really do as fans is just get behind team and hope that they can build on what was achieved last season but it’s hard, especially when owners just make really poor decisions.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree Mock.
As you know I've supported Birmingham all my time and before on here.

It is annoying and frustrating all that's gone on.
I understand totally, your anger, frustration and disillusionment.

Birmingham should be up there in the Premier league.
There was hope a short while last season where the play offs were a possibility.
So it can be achieved.

Good rant Mock from you and 100% justified.

Thanks Joey.

It did look promising at one point last season I know, but again the owners ****ed it up for us with the Embargo and the points deduction.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree Mock, it seemed like Birmingham were turning a corner this season even after points deduction, they managed to finish in a decent-ish position in the table. It does seem like a hell of a daft reason to sack a manager though, made worse by the fact that a lot of fans had respect and faith in him that the board have totally ignored.



I do understand your frustration here as well as this is how I felt a bit about Charlton last season. The issue just comes down to the owners and the way the clubs are being run by them. It’s a shame, I would also like to see Charlton return to the Premier League at some point but with our current owner it is not a possibility. In regards to teams like Bournemouth at the present time, they are a club that are better run and can also attract reasonably good players to keep them in the position they are in.

All you can really do as fans is just get behind team and hope that they can build on what was achieved last season but it’s hard, especially when owners just make really poor decisions.

Thanks Dogeatdog.

At least you've kept Lee Bowyer as Manager which hopefully means he can mitigate any damage that your owners can do to your team which as you said should also be in the Premier League imo.

And tbh our owners never listen to the fans or the Managers it seems, I think if I've read it correctly Monk still hadn't met up with some of our board members before they sacked him, it's truly shoddy business imo.

[KamLerce]

Lots of talk about Birmingham being £7m over the FFP threshold and might have go in front a disciplinary committee before the end of the month, with a possible points deduction.

[Mystic Mock]

Lots of talk about Birmingham being £7m over the FFP threshold and might have go in front a disciplinary committee before the end of the month, with a possible points deduction.

I seriously would not be surprised if this is true as our owners are pricks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

humped by Pompey

[Mystic Mock]

humped by Pompey

Tbf and I mean this as no disrespect to Portsmouth's achievement, but they beat our reserve team.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mock i hope you will be supporting the Villa as your prem team this season?


:fc:

[Mystic Mock]

Mock i hope you will be supporting the Villa as your prem team this season?


:fc:

I'll leave it to my Dad to support the darkspawn.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

I am absolutely fuming.

0 goals today, 0 shots on target, and conceded 3. That is absolutely disgraceful stats, and it is not the first time that we've lost 3-0 away from home this season either.

We've even got some Stoke fans on Social Media thinking that they'll get an easy win against us on Saturday and their team has been playing like they're more dead than the Walkers out of TWD, yet their fans are fancying their chances with us because we were that bad today.

I can't 100% blame the players though as Jutkiewicz gave his all but can't do it all by himself, Gimenez getting injured was unfortunate, and Bellingham looks promising but we need to put more faith in him.

I personally think that if Nathan Jones stays as Stoke Manager on Saturday that we could crush Stoke with ease, but we need to play the right tactics that suit us which is 4-4-2, and this would be the team that I'd send out with the current situation of the squad.

Formation - 4-4-2
Starting 11:
Lee Camp - He isn't the best goalkeeper in the world, but he is more dependable than Stockdale or Trueman.
Wes Harding - I quite like Harding, and he brings a bit of pace to the team.
Harlee Dean - Our best Defender.
Marc Roberts - We are quite short in this area with Michael Morrison sold to Reading, so Roberts is the only other one good enough to partner Dean.
Pedersen - Prone to the odd error, but still good enough to handle Stoke imo.
Mrabti - He hasn't played much this season, but he would suit the formation well, and he would have pace in the team which is what we desperately need.
Gary Gardner - Not the most entertaining player in the world, but he is a solid player that gets the job done in most games, and again would be too good for Stoke.
David Davis - The more attacking Midfielder out of him and Gary Gardner, again Stoke wouldn't handle him very well when we're in a well balanced 4-4-2 formation.
Seddon - The David Beckham/Kevin De Bruyne of the Championship when it comes to how good he is at crossing the ball, obviously not as good as the two names mentioned, but his crosses to the two strikers would be deadly to the Stoke defenders.
Jude Bellingham - With Gimenez possibly injured and Che Adams and Isaac Vassell being sold, I think that we should take a shot at Jude Bellingham, he has pace and big teams like Barcelona and Bayern Munich have been looking at him so he must be a very good player, and to me he looks like the perfect Che Adams replacement.
Lukas Jutkiewicz - He always deserves to be in the team, and he currently is our leading goalscorer this season.

I don't know what the bench should look like, especially with players like Maghoma, Kieftenbeld, and now possibly Gimenez being out injured, but if we go 4-4-2 with that starting 11 against Stoke on Saturday with the way that they've been playing, I honestly think we could win the game 3-1 as I am assuming that one of Camp, Roberts, or Pedersen will make a mistake, but Jutkiewicz, Bellingham, and Mrabti would hopefully deal them blows at the other end.

Rant over anyway.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I am absolutely fuming.

0 goals today, 0 shots on target, and conceded 3. That is absolutely disgraceful stats, and it is not the first time that we've lost 3-0 away from home this season either.

We've even got some Stoke fans on Social Media thinking that they'll get an easy win against us on Saturday and their team has been playing like they're more dead than the Walkers out of TWD, yet their fans are fancying their chances with us because we were that bad today.

I can't 100% blame the players though as Jutkiewicz gave his all but can't do it all by himself, Gimenez getting injured was unfortunate, and Bellingham looks promising but we need to put more faith in him.

I personally think that if Nathan Jones stays as Stoke Manager on Saturday that we could crush Stoke with ease, but we need to play the right tactics that suit us which is 4-4-2, and this would be the team that I'd send out with the current situation of the squad.

Formation - 4-4-2
Starting 11:
Lee Camp - He isn't the best goalkeeper in the world, but he is more dependable than Stockdale or Trueman.
Wes Harding - I quite like Harding, and he brings a bit of pace to the team.
Harlee Dean - Our best Defender.
Marc Roberts - We are quite short in this area with Michael Morrison sold to Reading, so Roberts is the only other one good enough to partner Dean.
Pedersen - Prone to the odd error, but still good enough to handle Stoke imo.
Mrabti - He hasn't played much this season, but he would suit the formation well, and he would have pace in the team which is what we desperately need.
Gary Gardner - Not the most entertaining player in the world, but he is a solid player that gets the job done in most games, and again would be too good for Stoke.
David Davis - The more attacking Midfielder out of him and Gary Gardner, again Stoke wouldn't handle him very well when we're in a well balanced 4-4-2 formation.
Seddon - The David Beckham/Kevin De Bruyne of the Championship when it comes to how good he is at crossing the ball, obviously not as good as the two names mentioned, but his crosses to the two strikers would be deadly to the Stoke defenders.
Jude Bellingham - With Gimenez possibly injured and Che Adams and Isaac Vassell being sold, I think that we should take a shot at Jude Bellingham, he has pace and big teams like Barcelona and Bayern Munich have been looking at him so he must be a very good player, and to me he looks like the perfect Che Adams replacement.
Lukas Jutkiewicz - He always deserves to be in the team, and he currently is our leading goalscorer this season.

I don't know what the bench should look like, especially with players like Maghoma, Kieftenbeld, and now possibly Gimenez being out injured, but if we go 4-4-2 with that starting 11 against Stoke on Saturday with the way that they've been playing, I honestly think we could win the game 3-1 as I am assuming that one of Camp, Roberts, or Pedersen will make a mistake, but Jutkiewicz, Bellingham, and Mrabti would hopefully deal them blows at the other end.

Rant over anyway.:laugh:

[Denver]

That Bellingham is some players, coming on off the bench then later scoring his first goal which ended up being the winning goal at 16 years old

[Mystic Mock]

That Bellingham is some players, coming on off the bench then later scoring his first goal which ended up being the winning goal at 16 years old

He is gonna be a fantastic player for us this season.

I don't really see him being with us next season though as I reckon that Man Utd will want him as they're lacking a player like him.

[Denver]

Bellingham has scored again 2 goals in 2 games for a 16 year old, could be Birminghams saviour but can they keep hold of him ?

[Beso]

I like Hearts.

I'll really love them if they can stop Celtic from winning another title.:joker:

Well that's not going to happen any time soon as we are being run by a tartan blanket wearing auld hoor...bringing tea and biscuits to a stadI'm that was once renowned for being a formidable cauldron..

At least you got a result today...with this lot at hearts we could be relagated. Not that that would bother me cause we like a cup run whatever league we play in and since 1985/6.... the only time we came close to winning the league again since then we sacked our manager at new year as we sat proudly at the top of the league..George burley..bit of a drinking problem but a great manager....


But now anne budge and Craig levien bringing us down with thier mutual admiration for eachother...weirdos. ..God knows what goes on under that tartan blanket. :shrug:

[Nicky91]

are Hearts still owned by that lithuanian?

[Beso]

are Hearts still owned by that lithuanian?

No...we are ran by everyone's old auntie who smells a bit. The one you still have to be nice to,but feel a little more distant compared to jolly auntil joyce..


Our manager, a club legend in my era...**** manager though...but auntie annie won't budge him....

[Mystic Mock]

Well that's not going to happen any time soon as we are being run by a tartan blanket wearing auld hoor...bringing tea and biscuits to a stadI'm that was once renowned for being a formidable cauldron..

At least you got a result today...with this lot at hearts we could be relagated. Not that that would bother me cause we like a cup run whatever league we play in and since 1985/6.... the only time we came close to winning the league again since then we sacked our manager at new year as we sat proudly at the top of the league..George burley..bit of a drinking problem but a great manager....


But now anne budge and Craig levien bringing us down with thier mutual admiration for eachother...weirdos. ..God knows what goes on under that tartan blanket. :shrug:

It's horrible when your club goes through bad ownership and management imo, hopefully one of your senior players will lift the rest of the team's spirits with great performances within the next few weeks like how Jutkiewicz and Maghoma did for us near the end of the 2017/18 season.

And thanks, I can't believe that we're only 3 points off top of the table, I know not to probably get too carried away yet, but one can only dream.

[Mystic Mock]

5 points off West Brom at the top of the table after 14 games.

I don't know if I should get carried away or be prepared for the worst, but I am liking how the table is shaping up for us at the moment.

It would be funny if us and Charlton were the top 2 teams at the end of the season.:joker:

realistically though I hope that we just avoid the bottom three.

[Dogeatdog]

5 points off West Brom at the top of the table after 14 games.

I don't know if I should get carried away or be prepared for the worst, but I am liking how the table is shaping up for us at the moment.

It would be funny if us and Charlton were the top 2 teams at the end of the season.:joker:

realistically though I hope that we just avoid the bottom three.

The top half of the Championship is really close still, I’m very happy with Charlton’s position (as well as Birmingham) in the table at the moment especially as our striker is still out injured. We still have some tough games coming up though so I expect us to possibly dip further down the table a little but hopefully that won’t be the case :fc:

I would be amazed if both teams could pull that off Mock :laugh: but as you already mentioned, realistically I would like us to focus on staying above the drop zone and if we manage to finish in the top half of the table (and above Millwall :hehe:) that will be a nice added bonus.

[Mystic Mock]

The top half of the Championship is really close still, I’m very happy with Charlton’s position (as well as Birmingham) in the table at the moment especially as our striker is still out injured. We still have some tough games coming up though so I expect us to possibly dip further down the table a little but hopefully that won’t be the case :fc:

I would be amazed if both teams could pull that off Mock :laugh: but as you already mentioned, realistically I would like us to focus on staying above the drop zone and if we manage to finish in the top half of the table (and above Millwall :hehe:) that will be a nice added bonus.

I know, it's very rare to say that the top 11 of a league are all fighting to be champions, it's exciting though.

And Charlton have done an incredible job so far Big Evil, especially as you've already said, your main striker isn't even playing, just imagine what Charlton can do once he is fit again.

And tbh I would be too.:joker:

But roll on the Cardiff and Preston games this weekend and see what happens.

[Mystic Mock]

Last night I finally got around to watching EFL Quest and it got around to the Cardiff vs Birmingham game.

And just when you're thinking that the Referees can't get any worse, they do.

Cardiff's first penalty (when we were 1-0 up) makes no sense why it was given, the Ref tried to say that we was pulling a Cardiff player's shirt, but you look at the replay and both teams players are manhandling each other, so where the penalty comes from I don't know as the Referee should be able to tell what's a penalty and what isn't a penalty. Even EFL Quest themselves had to try and make a guess at what happened because it still wasn't very clear what had actually happened.:joker:

And interestingly no complaints from Neil Warnock about the Referees when wrong decisions benefit his team I see.

And I know that we arguably got away with one against Luton, but at least it was arguable.

I'm interested to see if the Referee let us down again against Fulham today.

[Mystic Mock]

So it's okay for Mitrovic to knock into one of our defenders to the lead up to the goal.

Hopefully we get a decent Referee against Huddersfield on November 23rd.

And Lee Camp doesn't lose confidence as I know that a lot of Blues fans can be quite nasty about him when he makes howlers.

[Mystic Mock]

Okay I'm rounding up all of the incompetent Referee decisions to do with Blues this season as we always seem to get the ****test Referees in all of the UK.

Bad Referee decisions that have favoured us so far:
1. Jutkiewicz's goal standing against Luton Town to make it 2-1 when he was leaning on top of the Luton defender to head the ball into the back of the net.

Bad Referee decisions that have gone against us so far this season:
1. The mysterious Cardiff penalty that Andrew Madley gave that still makes no sense as to where the infringement was, anyway it sent us from a 1-0 victory to a 4-2 defeat. Thanks a lot Andrew if you're for some reason reading TIBB.

2. Mitrovic getting away with shoving our player away from the ball so he couldn't clear it, meaning we lost 1-0 to Fulham instead of drawing 0-0 as the Referee and the Assistant Referee were both so incompetent that they couldn't tell that it was supposed to be a free kick to us.

3. We should've got a penalty yesterday for a shirt pull, but as usual the Referee that we get is too blind to see it.:facepalm: it meant that we would've been 1-0 up.

4. We should've had a penalty against Preston to make it 1-1, but clearly the Referee must think that your head is in your hand these days.

5. And we should've had a penalty against Stoke for a shirt pull that would've seen us win 3-1 instead of 2-1, but as usual our Referee was horrendous and didn't give it.

So basically instead of being on 25 Points we should be on 31 points and between 6th-7th place on the table (roundabouts anyway) instead of 15th.

No wonder VAR has had to be slowly drafted in.

[Denver]

Bellingham is fantastic and I've only just found out he was born in my hometown :clap1:

Time for Klopp to sign him and sent him back to Bormingham on loan

[Mystic Mock]

Bellingham is fantastic and I've only just found out he was born in my hometown :clap1:

Time for Klopp to sign him and sent him back to Bormingham on loan

Is Bormingham a typo?:laugh:

Anyway Bellingham will be helping us reach promotion this season and then Champions League Football the following season.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Okay so after finally getting two games in a row where all of the officials were on form during the Reading and QPR games where the results were fair and square. We now get one of the ****test Assistant Referees in the Championship who can't tell that West Brom's first goal was offside.:facepalm:

So these should be the results for us.

Birmingham 1-1 Luton - Referee mistake - Birmingham 2-1 Luton (The only time this season so far that a Referee mistake has favoured us)
Birmingham 1-1 Preston - Referee mistake - Birmingham 0-1 Preston
Cardiff 0-1 Birmingham - Referee mistake - Cardiff 4-2 Birmingham
Birmingham 0-0 Fulham - Referee mistake - Birmingham 0-1 Fulham
Birmingham 1-0 Millwall - Referee mistake - Birmingham 1-1 Millwall
Birmingham 3-1 Stoke - Referee Mistake - Birmingham 2-1 Stoke
Birmingham 1-0 West Brom - Referee mistake - Birmingham 2-3 West Bromwich

I know that I'm repeating myself here to some extent, but this is why VAR is needed in the Championship.

Just in our games alone, the Referee and his assistant have made 7 errors out of 21 games (which is quite high) 6 of those errors have hurt us and if corrected by VAR would see us on 40 Points and puts us in third place.:shocked:

Luton would still be in 21st place, but on the same points as Middlesbrough, and I don't know if they've received any other injustices throughout the season, I know that they don't seem to have much go their way though with the Referees.

Good goals by Charlie Austin though.

[Mystic Mock]

Before the game kicks off I'm gonna make a prediction on today's game between us and Wigan and see if it happens, and nobody can accuse me of cheating if it does happen.

My guess is that we'll win 2-1, I just have a feeling that we'll finally win a game, especially after the way we played against Leeds and West Brom, a home victory is coming hopefully.

[Mystic Mock]

The Referee is at it again I see.:facepalm:

So if I add the mistake of wrongly disallowing our goal to the other cesspool of Refereeing mistakes this season, we would have 46 points and would currently be in Seventh place (behind Preston on goal difference) give or take depending on errors that have happened to other teams throughout the season.

In fairness I understand that we also have to take some responsibility for the incompetent Refereeing decisions having such a large impact on the outcome of our matches, but the Referees also shouldn't be disallowing goals because of a player falling to the ground like tonight, or mythical fouls in the penalty area like in our first fixture against Cardiff this season.

Basically we should be killing games off, and the Referees need an incentive to perform better, especially if people don't want VAR around.

[Dogeatdog]

Mock I’m sorry to say this but I’m actually glad you’s drew tonight so we at least stand a bit of a chance on trying to catch you tomorrow when we play Fulham :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Mock I’m sorry to say this but I’m actually glad you’s drew tonight so we at least stand a bit of a chance on trying to catch you tomorrow when we play Fulham :laugh:

I understand, it's dog eat dog for both teams at the moment.

[Dogeatdog]

I understand, it's dog eat dog for both teams at the moment.

We’ve won once in our last 16 games (I think it’s 16 now) so I don’t think you’ll have too much to worry about :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

We’ve won once in our last 16 games (I think it’s 16 now) so I don’t think you’ll have too much to worry about :laugh:

Our form recently hasn't been that much better tbh, ever since we've put Camp back in goal though we have stopped conceding quite so many goals, although I doubt that many Blues fans will want to acknowledge that.:joker:

And with Charlton, I think that you guys will either get a shock victory against Fulham (as they can be that kinda team for the struggling teams) or they'll annihilate you's.

I doubt that it'll be a middling game, but I have been wrong about that in the past.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

A Beautiful thing happened yesterday afternoon.

We won a game of Football.:dance::bawling:

Aston Villa won't know what will hit them next season in the Premier League now that we've gone on our winning run of 1.

Also I've forgotten to update the Referee blunder in the Birmingham vs Cardiff game where Gary Gardner should've been sent off and more than likely would've seen us lose 2-1.

So we should be on 49 points and give or take we'd be around 7th place in the table if the Referees were a lot better at their job.

[Mystic Mock]

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Without Referee blunders we'd be on 52 points and be in fourth place (only behind Fulham on goal difference) give or take depending on bad Refereeing decisions harming or helping the other teams throughout the season.

But sadly as it is we're in 14th place with 40 points, which I will take if it means that we stay up at the end of the season.

We played fantastic last night, we really deserved the victory.

[Mystic Mock]

So we come up with the only real quality moment of the game, we also achieve the aim of the game fair and square by putting the ball in the back of the net, and yet David Webb decides to recreate Andrew Madley's invisible penalty to Cardiff earlier in the season by coming up with an invisible foul by Harlee Dean that disallows our goal.

We really should be talking about our victory tonight, but instead we'll be talking about how we "drew" the game, and of course some idiot being racist to Jeremie Bela.

#Blueswererobbed

[Dogeatdog]

At least you managed to get a point last night unlike Charlton who were 0-0 all the way to the 94th minute of the match and then conceded a goal :facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

At least you managed to get a point last night unlike Charlton who were 0-0 all the way to the 94th minute of the match and then conceded a goal :facepalm:

Yeah I don't know what's going on at Charlton at the moment, hopefully they'll pick up.

I've heard about Lucy Kerr btw, RIP to her, 2020 is seriously becoming the most gloomy year of all time.

[Mystic Mock]

So if we add the goal that should've stood and seen us win 1-0 against Millwall, and the penalty that should've been given to see us win 3-2 against QPR, and of course what should've been a 2-1 win to us against Middlesbrough (before the Referee ****ed up as usual)

We'd be on 59 points and be in 5th place give or take.

Basically after 36 games the Referees have made 11 mistakes that have altered the results in games involving Birmingham City Football Club, 9 of those mistakes have seen the Blues be negatively effected, whilst only 2 mistakes have actually favoured us throughout the season so far.

And the Pundits try and say that it all evens itself out.:smug:

And in fairness to Luton, Cardiff, Middlesbrough, Millwall, and West Brom, they've all had bad Refereeing mistakes this season too which would see them on.

Luton would be on 35 points and be 23rd in the table so there isn't a large difference to their fate in the table.

Cardiff would be on 54 points and would see them in 7th place with 2 decisions negatively effecting their season (Gary Gardner not being sent off + no penalty being given against Birmingham at St Andrews) And no penalty being given against Brentford. But they would obviously lose all 3 points against Birmingham at the Cardiff City Stadium. So overall 3 Referee mistakes in games involving Cardiff this season. 2 Against and 1 in favour of Cardiff.

Middlesbrough would be on 40 points and be in 19th place (ahead of Wigan on goal difference) with 2 Referee mistakes in their games, 1 in favour of them, and 1 against them last night where Forest's equalizer unfairly was allowed to stand imo.

Millwall would be on 50 points and would be in 11th place, 2 mistakes favouring them (ironically both against us) and 1 mistake going against them against Bristol City this week which should've seen them have a penalty and win 2-1.

And West Brom would be on 67 points and it would mean that they drop to 2nd in the table. They'd have lost all 3 points against us, but they would've most likely drawn with Wigan this weekend if they'd correctly been given the penalty.