Tory MP Mark Field grabs climate protester by neck at Mansion House event

[Headie]

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https://news.sky.com/video/mp-mark-field-grabs-climate-protester-at-mansion-house-event-11745949

Yikes

[arista]

She was not meant to be there.

[sleleen]

She was not meant to be there.

And he was not meant to touch or shove her

[arista]

And he was not meant to touch or shove her


He had to get the Protester Out.

[sleleen]

He had to get the Protester Out.

Well he should have not thought about touching her

[Oliver_W]

Why weren't there bouncers or security?

[reece(:]

That's inappropriate

[arista]

Well he should have not thought about touching her


What Rubbish
A Protester must be Grabbed
and Removed Fast



Well Done that MP.

In Saudi Arabia
she would be put to death.
For Example.

[arista]

That's inappropriate


No it was not
it about time to get theses Protesters out FAST

[arista]

Why weren't there bouncers or security?


At the Entrance.

She was a guest that suddenly
put on a Protest


That MP is a Hero.

[Twosugars]

At the Entrance.

She was a guest that suddenly
put on a Protest


That MP is a Hero.

Ridiculous

[Ammi]

...I saw this earlier...his physical handling of her felt quite uncomfortable...and there looked as though there was anger on his face...someone shouldn’t be laying hands on another person in anger or any heightened emotion if they aren’t a personal threat to him...which she wasn’t....

[Twosugars]

Police began looking into the incident on Thursday night after footage seemed to show Mark Field pushing the female Greenpeace activist against a pillar and grabbing her neck. There were calls for Field to lose his position as a Foreign Office minister. In a statement, he apologised to the woman and said he would refer himself to the Cabinet Office over the incident.

He is in trouble

[Twosugars]

What Rubbish
A Protester must be Grabbed
and Removed Fast



Well Done that MP.

In Saudi Arabia
she would be put to death.
For Example.

Arista you worry me sometimes:eek:

[bots]

Reasonable force eh? I don't think so

[Jake.]

Absolutely disgusting. He should be sacked/arrested. No way to touch anybody.

[Cherie]

overly aggressive, he has to be toast

[bots]

it has to be asked .... why was there no security there, that's unbelievable in itself

[joeysteele]

He is in trouble and should be.

I accept there is a worry now if protesters or others invading a place or function, that they could be armed.

However, she didn't fight back and holding someone by the throat is totally threatening and unacceptable.
It actually was assault.

She shouldn't have been there, however they were able to just walk in.
So where was security?

He made no attempt to talk to her, he just jumped up aggressively and he grabbed her.
She didn't physically respond to him at all.

He should face action over this.
He actually assaulted her and caught on camera too.

Perhaps lock the doors to the rooms they are in for these functions in future, once you know all invited are in said room.

He looked angry too.
I think he needs to be made to rethink as to a political future at all now.

No one else acted as he did.
Yes, they were wrong to gatecrash the event but assaulting that woman was way out of line, and in my view assault.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Like others have said where was security? Its lucky they were not armed. I dont agree the way he is handling her by the throat but someone had to remove her, he should have done it another way.

[Kazanne]

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https://news.sky.com/video/mp-mark-field-grabs-climate-protester-at-mansion-house-event-11745949

Yikes

Does James Felton know it was one man who did this NOT tories !!!,love how they use it as an excuse to have a pop,it was a very bad way to handle it but he may have been scared at that point and she should have just left when asked,he will be dealt with and rightly so,lets hope she is too.

[Beso]

Nothing wrong with that imo..seen far worse on the club doors over the years..and with the current passion for hurling stuff at people he made the correct decision.

[Twosugars]

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero :skull:

[Nicky91]

Nothing wrong with that imo..seen far worse on the club doors over the years..and with the current passion for hurling stuff at people he made the correct decision.

:skull:

the poor lady looked quite scared how he grabbed her and shoved her against that pillar

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero :skull:

You can put her as a victim, again I dont agree with the way he handled her, but calling her defenceless is laughable. She was probably asked to leave but wouldn't. I can see where he is coming from, for all he knew she could have pulled out a knife or gun. She should have just left when asked too.

[Kazanne]

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero :skull:

Man or woman,makes no difference we are all equal now are we not ? or is that just when it suits.

[Twosugars]

The irony is climate crisis is infinitely more important than a dinner with a chancellor who wont be there tomorrow giving a speech which will be irrelevant when he goes

[bots]

there are 100 different ways that could have been handled better. Just think for a moment if the person had been armed and what the result might have been.

It is against the law to use excessive force, and with that video, there is plenty evidence for police to decide if a law was broken.

For there not to be security at an event like that is shocking. Thats where the real issue is.

[Twosugars]

Man or woman,makes no difference we are all equal now are we not ? or is that just when it suits.

He knows he did wrong and already apologised unreservedly to her. And referred himself to the cabinet office for investigation
But you carry on

[arista]

Manhandling a defenceless woman, what a hero :skull:


She could have had a weapon.


Perfect way to deal
with a Protester

[Twosugars]

She could have had a weapon.


Perfect way to deal
with a Protester

What a machete in her clutch bag? Or a gun up her fanny?
Have another look at how she was dressed and tell me where would she hide the weapon

[joeysteele]

Does James Felton know it was one man who did this NOT tories !!!,love how they use it as an excuse to have a pop,it was a very bad way to handle it but he may have been scared at that point and she should have just left when asked,he will be dealt with and rightly so,lets hope she is too.

Now now Kazanne, although you are correct overall.

However, I'm as sure as I can be, had this been a Labour MP doing this, this thread would be filled with viiolent left wing Labour thug or thugs comments.

This was a predominantly Conservative and business function.
It was a Conservative MP, representing his Party there as an invited guest.
Who chose to explode the way he did.

You say he'll be dealt with however.
I hope the law does that.
As I'd have concerns his Party will.

To his credit he has referred himself to the Cabinet office.
The Party should at the very least suspend him.
As I said, I hope the law acts on this.

He is a Foreign office Minister too.
This brings his Party by his actions into disrepute.
Be interesting to hear the 2 leadership's candidates decision as to their thoughts on this.

As I say however, and it stuns me he is getting defended, not by you admittedly on here,off here however.

Anyone condoning assault like this, well they are more possibly the real thugs.
In my view anyway.

In panic, it's true people can react out of character but he was the only one who took it to a whole new extreme.

I repeat however, had this been a Labour dominated function and a Labour MP manhandled and assaulted a woman in this way.
I'd bet most of all I have, the media, the Conservative Party and on here would have the language likely blue.
Against the whole Party,Corbyn,the MPs and Labour members, not just the offending MP.

As a firm Labour member, I get offensively lumped in on here to all the digs of supposed left wing thuggery and how we are revolutionaries and undesirable beings,.
It's tiresome.

If a Labour MP had done this, my view would be the exact same as now.
This man should be prosecuted.
He should be sacked as a Minister.
Really he maybe shouldn't be in Parliament at all.

If he can act like this in the glare of publicity, I'd be really concerned how he'd react in a more private setting.

I see nothing at all to support as to his action in any shape or form whatsoever.
The Conservative Party do have to act too.
He's one of their Ministers after all.

[Beso]

What a machete in her clutch bag? Or a gun up her fanny?
Have another look at how she was dressed and tell me where would she hide the weapon

She could easily have had a knife clutched in her left hand in amongst all those papers or in fact a bottle of acid..maybe even a gun.

[bots]

You cannot associate the actions of one person with that of an entire party, that's just plain silly. However, those in public life, and members of a political party have to be held responsible for their actions as they are representatives of that party. If this act goes unpunished then it is being condoned

[joeysteele]

She could have had a weapon.


Perfect way to deal
with a Protester

With respect.
It isn't the way to deal with a protester.

It's actually worrying anyone could think it is.

So if a group of pensioners protesting at a political event against say the licence change.
It would be fine for an MP of any party to grab one of them by the throat.

Not a chance.
What a sad indictment on this Country that his action is seen as acceptable.
By anyone.

[Beso]

I don't recall labours 2jags being dragged over the coals when he punched the bloke who threw an egg...I'm sure he was applauded

[joeysteele]

I don't recall labours 2jags being dragged over the coals when he punched the bloke who threw an egg...I'm sure he was applauded

Someone has just been recently and rghtly prosecuted for a milkshake assault on Farage.

You neglect to highlight, not surprisingly to me, the point that that egg thrower actually initiated and assaulted Prescott first.

This woman didn't assault this MP, nor try to fight back at him.
There's a world of a difference in your scenario.

As I said in earlier post.
Had this been a Labour MP who done this.
I feel sure you would possibly be one leading the outrage in thread after thread.
Wanting him near hung,drawn and quartered.

[Nicky91]

She could easily have had a knife clutched in her left hand in amongst all those papers or in fact a bottle of acid..maybe even a gun.

could is a very big word though

[MTVN]

MPs these days are routinely sent abuse, death threats etc. When there's a high level security breach at an event like this and one protestor heads straight to where the Chancellor is sat then its not surprising you might fear the worst

[Beso]

Someone has just been recently and rghtly prosecuted for a milkshake assault on Farage.

You neglect to highlight, not surprisingly to me, the point that that egg thrower actually initiated and assaulted Prescott first.

This woman didn't assault this MP, nor try to fight back at him.
There's a world of a difference in your scenario.

As I said in earlier post.
Had this been a Labour MP who done this.
I feel sure you would possibly be one leading the outrage in thread after thread.
Wanting him near hung,drawn and quartered.

You can feel as sure as you like, but my applauding of 2jags at the time dispels your myth.

[Kazanne]

He knows he did wrong and already apologised unreservedly to her. And referred himself to the cabinet office for investigation
But you carry on

i will,don't need your permission.

[Beso]

could is a very big word though

Oh well...best he didn't do anything incase she didn't have one. :nono:

[Liam-]

He definitely wouldn’t have been as aggressive and handsy if that was a bloke, get him gone

[Liam-]

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[Vicky.]

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Sorry but yeah. Obviously not all of 'the right' but the overwhelming response to this I have seen from right wing people I know is 'no big deal, security breach' etc. And thse are the very same people who were wailing a few weeks back about a joke or milkshakes (actually, more over the robinson milkshake than farages oddly enough..). Mind, it should be expected I guess, given a few of these same people decided the video where robinson punched that guy to the ground randomly was 'clearly self defense' :umm2:

This was clearly not reasonable force, and the anger on his face is..a bit much too. I find it really odd that there were no security staff at a do like that? Unless they were but he wanted to show his big bollocks or something, which wouldn't shock me.

[Liam-]

Sorry but yeah. Obviously not all of 'the right' but the overwhelming response to this I have seen from right wing people I know is 'no big deal, security breach' etc. And thse are the very same people who were wailing a few weeks back about a joke or milkshakes (actually, more over the robinson milkshake than farages oddly enough..). Mind, it should be expected I guess, given a few of these same people decided the video where robinson punched that guy to the ground randomly was 'clearly self defense' :umm2:

This was clearly not reasonable force, and the anger on his face is..a bit much too. I find it really odd that there were no security staff at a do like that? Unless they were but he wanted to show his big bollocks or something, which wouldn't shock me.

There was a woman who tried to take her away from him and he rushed passed her to carry on pushing her out, seems to me like he enjoyed playing the big man by assaulting a woman, who clearly, posed no threat.

Let’s remember, trespassing isn’t illegal, so her only crime was wearing an ugly red dress to posh black tie event, maybe Mark is just a big secret fashionista and that’s why he got so mad?

[Livia]

He was probably furious. I would have been.... at a dinner at Mansion House and suddenly there's a stream of protestors. They could have been anyone or done anything. Where the bloody hell was security? And they're protesting to the wrong people.

[Livia]

MPs these days are routinely sent abuse, death threats etc. When there's a high level security breach at an event like this and one protestor heads straight to where the Chancellor is sat then its not surprising you might fear the worst

That's right, MTVN. When I worked for MPs there was always a bit of a panic about stuff being sent to them, to their homes, to their families... packets of sand or seeds that could be anything, padded envelopes that could have anything at all in them. And here we are at a dinner in the Mansion House and people are outraged because a protester was manhandled. She didn't look distressed to me, she probably thought it would get her more attention, and it has. She's lucky someone didn't punch her in the face or take her to the ground. I think security must have been having their dinner.

[arista]

What a machete in her clutch bag? Or a gun up her fanny?
Have another look at how she was dressed and tell me where would she hide the weapon



No a Knife
to stab you

[arista]

With respect.
It isn't the way to deal with a protester.

It's actually worrying anyone could think it is.

So if a group of pensioners protesting at a political event against say the licence change.
It would be fine for an MP of any party to grab one of them by the throat.

Not a chance.
What a sad indictment on this Country that his action is seen as acceptable.
By anyone.



These days
you never know until its too late
She was not Hurt.
It's given Left Wing Greenpeace Free Publicity.

[Vicky.]

I have to wonder..if he would have reacted the same way was it a bloke. I have my thoughts on that, but obviously 'what ifs' cannot really be proven either way.

[Kazanne]

I have to wonder..if he would have reacted the same way was it a bloke. I have my thoughts on that, but obviously 'what ifs' cannot really be proven either way.

If it had been a bloke ,nothing would have been said,do we want security at these functions or should we allow people to roam round willy nilly,seems like some want the latter, and to the person asking where could she hide anything :laugh: your kidding right,you'de be surprised what a bra or scarf can hide,even under the arms,IF someone had been hurt or killed people would be screaming we were too lax,we cant have both or one rule for guys and one rule for women,shes probably loving the attention its got.

[Twosugars]

These days
you never know until its too late
She was not Hurt.
It's given Left Wing Greenpeace Free Publicity.

Greenpeace are well known anyway. They dont need a tory mp to make them relevant
It's more the other way round. Who heard of him :shrug:

[Twosugars]

If it had been a bloke ,nothing would have been said,do we want security at these functions or should we allow people to roam round willy nilly,seems like some want the latter, and to the person asking where could she hide anything :laugh: your kidding right,you'de be surprised what a bra or scarf can hide,even under the arms,IF someone had been hurt or killed people would be screaming we were too lax,we cant have both or one rule for guys and one rule for women,shes probably loving the attention its got.

That sounds like something trump would say

[Vicky.]

Also, Hunt is this guys boss right? Not the best time for this to happen, given the situation right now D:

[Vicky.]

And she may well be loving the attention, its certainly made the protest more high profile. That does not excuse his actions though. And yeah, its one 'rule' for men and another for women, in that..a lot of men wouldn't dream of treating a guy like that but its fine to do to a woman as you know its easy to overpower them :idc:

[Niamh.]

And she may well be loving the attention, its certainly made the protest more high profile. That does not excuse his actions though. And yeah, its one 'rule' for men and another for women, in that..a lot of men wouldn't dream of treating a guy like that but its fine to do to a woman as you know its easy to overpower them :idc:

amen

[bots]

Foreign Office Minister Mark Field has been suspended from his post after he was filmed forcefully grabbing a climate change protester who gatecrashed an dinner at London's Mansion House.

A spokesperson for Prime Minister Theresa May said she seen the footage of the incident and "found it very concerning".

so, that's that then

[Rob!]

*Nigel Farage hit with milkshake*

The right: “THIS VIOLENT ASSAULT MUST NOT GO UNPUNISHED.”

*Jo Brand jokes about throwing acid*

The right: “SACK HER! LOCK HER UP!”

*Mark Field aggressively assaults woman on camera*

The right: “To be fair, she did interrupt his dinner.”

[arista]

so, that's that then



Yes Suspended
for now.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-mark-field-under-fire-after-grabbing-protester-by-neck-11745967

[MTVN]

*Nigel Farage hit with milkshake*

The right: “THIS VIOLENT ASSAULT MUST NOT GO UNPUNISHED.”

*Jo Brand jokes about throwing acid*

The right: “SACK HER! LOCK HER UP!”

*Mark Field aggressively assaults woman on camera*

The right: “To be fair, she did interrupt his dinner.”

That tweet was posted on this thread an hour ago

[Rob!]

That tweet was posted on this thread an hour ago

Well it bared repeating. :)

[Beso]

Well it bared repeating. :)

You tried to claim it as your own.:hehe:

[Rob!]

You tried to claim it as your own.:hehe:

No I didn’t?

[Kazanne]

[/B]

That sounds like something trump would say

Does it ? I wouldn't know as I'm not him:smug:

[Oliver_W]

It's been about a week since the three year anniversary of the murder of Jo Cox; if I was an MP, I'd always be cautious. The "protester" could have been a far left extremist with a knife for all he knew.

[joeysteele]

Absolutely unbelievable.
He was not employed as security.
No one else moved only him.

What an eye opener of hypocrisy this has borne out.

Saying she will be loving it.
As if that's known she would be.

The veiled attack on her while making excuses for him.
Wow, what an eye opener.

If a Labour MP says words out of line, on here they are then the devil incarnate.

This man assaulted this woman.
I hope she presses charges.
No one jumped up with him.
Only him.

Defend him all you like those who do and attack her.
I hope when you next climb on the hostile derogatory bandwagon should a Labour MP or even member offend.
You think yourselves and others may remind you.
You chose to support a man assaulting a woman this way.

MPs are in danger,.a lot of the time, one was brutally murdered.

This MPs action won't have helped in that one bit.
I'm shocked at some of the support he's got on here, while at the same time inferring she is likely loving it.

Absolutely disgraceful.

[Twosugars]

Theresa saw it, found it very concerning and suspended his ass. Good.

[joeysteele]

I've read she will not be reporting this to the police.
In my view, he's extremely fortunate in that.

[reece(:]

*Nigel Farage hit with milkshake*

The right: “THIS VIOLENT ASSAULT MUST NOT GO UNPUNISHED.”

*Jo Brand jokes about throwing acid*

The right: “SACK HER! LOCK HER UP!”

*Mark Field aggressively assaults woman on camera*

The right: “To be fair, she did interrupt his dinner.”

Louder for those at the back!

[King Gizzard]

Sack him and take him to court, that’s assault. This “she might have had a weapon” bull**** doesn’t stick, he wouldn’t have approached her if he knew she had a weapon he’d have cowered away like the coward he is. Interesting to see the right defending this but when there’s milkshake involved against those two ***** they’re all crying

[King Gizzard]

this “they might have a weapon!” Shire Is gonna he used by the right more and more going forward isn’t it? Convenient way to stop any protests

[Vicky.]

Sack him and take him to court, that’s assault. This “she might have had a weapon” bull**** doesn’t stick, he wouldn’t have approached her if he knew she had a weapon he’d have cowered away like the coward he is. Interesting to see the right defending this but when there’s milkshake involved against those two ***** they’re all crying

'She might have had a weapon' doesn't really work. Any person on the street could have a weapon, doesn't give people the right to basically attack them.

I mean, I could understand the defense more if she had, lunged at him or something so he really did think she was a threat. But he didn't think she was, sorry he didn't, and thats exactly why he behaved the way he did, as he knew she was NOT a threat.

[bots]

the anger on his face toward a member of the public that he is supposed to represent and who pays his wages is actually of more concern to me.

[King Gizzard]

He did it straight away which tells you all you need to know about what he thinks about women, tbh. I’m gonna guess he wouldn’t dare stand up to a bloke like that

[Cherie]

Man or woman,makes no difference we are all equal now are we not ? or is that just when it suits.

agree don't see what gender has to do with anything at all here

[Beso]

He did it straight away which tells you all you need to know about what he thinks about women, tbh. I’m gonna guess he wouldn’t dare stand up to a bloke like that

Yes he did it straight away...in the spur of the moment I think he said.....leaving him no time to weigh up the situation...all he saw was a possible danger and he acted on instinct...if only the security guArds and police had done the same a few years back when isis ran along the beach shooting everyone. ...they were the ones cowering away....the country needs more people like this bloke.

[Twosugars]

agree don't see what gender has to do with anything at all here

Plenty. Like others said he went for her bc he realized he could play a hero tackling a weaker woman. Disgusting

[Vicky.]

agree don't see what gender has to do with anything at all here

Equal does not mean the same tbh. And surely noone would deny the strength differences between males and females.

Sex (not gender, sorry, bug bear of mine :laugh: ) does tend to matter, when its violence against women, oddly enough. Especially when..its highly unlikely the man would have reacted the same way had a bloke walked towards him.

[Twosugars]

Oop didn't know he used to bang Liz "we import too much cheese" Truss. The affair ended his first marriage.

[Vicky.]

Yes he did it straight away...in the spur of the moment I think he said.....leaving him no time to weigh up the situation...all he saw was a possible danger and he acted on instinct...if only the security guArds and police had done the same a few years back when isis ran along the beach shooting everyone. ...they were the ones cowering away....the country needs more people like this bloke.

If he saw a possible danger, why did he look angry? That was pure rage, from the start. Not being shocked, or scared..or even unsure. Rage. Thats why the 'he was worried she might attack him' just does not work.

[Niamh.]

If he saw a possible danger, why did he look angry? That was pure rage, from the start. Not being shocked, or scared..or even unsure. Rage. Thats why the 'he was worried she might attack him' just does not work.

Yeah just rewatched it, she wasn't going near the people sitting down and he grabbed her as she was walking passed him, he didn't look afraid

[Nicky91]

Oop didn't know he used to bang Liz "we import too much cheese" Truss. The affair ended his first marriage.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9668355/MPs-involved-in-scandals-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-calls-for-tougher-regulation-of-the-press.html?iframe=true&width=90%&height=90%

correct that is stated in this article, and it's also on his Wikipedia profile

[bots]

If he saw a possible danger, why did he look angry? That was pure rage, from the start. Not being shocked, or scared..or even unsure. Rage. Thats why the 'he was worried she might attack him' just does not work.

it was lost the plot anger that was on his face which just isn't acceptable given the events that happened. People are allowed to peaceful protest

[Matthew.]

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[Josy]

He was completely out of order and she shouldn't have been there that however does not excuse his actions in any way at all

[Kazanne]

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:joker::joker::joker: Love that gif

[Scarlett.]

Yes he did it straight away...in the spur of the moment I think he said.....leaving him no time to weigh up the situation...all he saw was a possible danger and he acted on instinct...if only the security guArds and police had done the same a few years back when isis ran along the beach shooting everyone. ...they were the ones cowering away....the country needs more people like this bloke.

He grabbed a woman walking past him for ****s sake, she posed no immediate threat, showed no signs of carrying a weapon. Can't believe people are making excuses for this thug

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[bots]

there were security scanners at the entrance too, everyone that entered was checked

[Liam-]

there were security scanners at the entrance too, everyone that entered was checked

Well there goes the ‘she could have had a weapon?!’ Line of defence, he would have been fully aware that she didn’t have a weapon, therefore he knew she posed no actual threat, it was assault, end of

[Beso]

I doubt the son of an army major would cower away if it was a bloke.

[Twosugars]

I doubt the son of an army major would cower away if it was a bloke.

It's not as if he himself was an ex soldier is it

[Cherie]

Equal does not mean the same tbh. And surely noone would deny the strength differences between males and females.

Sex (not gender, sorry, bug bear of mine :laugh: ) does tend to matter, when its violence against women, oddly enough. Especially when..its highly unlikely the man would have reacted the same way had a bloke walked towards him.

No but if he had manhandled a man in the same way there should be the same outcry

[Cherie]

Plenty. Like others said he went for her bc he realized he could play a hero tackling a weaker woman. Disgusting

That is peoples opinion, we don't know that for a fact at all, just because 'others have said it doesn't male it true', I don't agree with how he handled it at all, though having listened to the other side of the argument there is a heighted tension because of Jo Cox

[Vicky.]

No but if he had manhandled a man in the same way there should be the same outcry

If he had randomly attacked a man the same way I am sure there would be outcry, maybe not quite as much as basically..men are more able to stand up to male violence physically, than women are. But I agree there should be outcry regardless of sex, but him doing it to a woman does come across a little worse. I highly doubt he would have actually done it to a man, and thats part of the problem really, along with the visciousness of the attack and the rage on his face. It cannot be explained away as 'he was scared' as its blatantly obvious he was not.

[Cherie]

If he had randomly attacked a man the same way I am sure there would be outcry, maybe not quite as much as basically..men are more able to stand up to male violence physically, than women are. But I agree there should be outcry regardless of sex, but him doing it to a woman does come across a little worse. I highly doubt he would have actually done it to a man, and thats part of the problem really, along with the visciousness of the attack and the rage on his face. It cannot be explained away as 'he was scared' as its blatantly obvious he was not.

it depends on the stature of the man involved I suppose, if he were weedy and such :laugh:

[Niamh.]

it depends on the stature of the man involved I suppose, if he were weedy and such :laugh:

true but I bet there would be outcry too if he went for a frail looking man :p

[Vicky.]

it depends on the stature of the man involved I suppose, if he were weedy and such :laugh:

Well yes, am speaking in averages of course. Studies have shown the average bloke has 60% more strength than the average woman. Of course some women would be able to handle a bloke attacking them and maybe overpower them, but its unlikely on a..average level. Most blokes, even weedy ones tbh, can overpower most women easily. I was ****ing terrified when I found this out properly as basically..I am quite a big woman and fairly strong too, and we have this friend who is a tiny skinny bloke, and he basically slammed me against a wall and held me there, I could not move at all. He did it to prove to me that..well most blokes, even small ones are stronger than most women, as I had laughed at him and told him I could take him easily. He was clearly right though.

I actually asked Gavin to use his full strength on me a while after that just to see, and that terrified me even more tbh :umm2:

For ****s sake, even my 16 year old stepson is now stronger than me, and I would say that I am probably stronger than the average woman.

true but I bet there would be outcry too if he went for a frail looking man :p

Yup.

[arista]

He grabbed a woman walking past him for ****s sake, she posed no immediate threat, showed no signs of carrying a weapon. Can't believe people are making excuses for this thug

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He thought she would be a threat.

Also the SkyNewsHD Business Reporter
was there last night
He said someone let them in
so it was a inside job.

[Vicky.]

He thought she would be a threat.


Which is obviously just an excuse, to anyone who has watched the video.

[Tom4784]

Glad he's been suspended, don't know how anyone could watch that video and defend him. He had no reason to assume that she was armed or a threat so that excuse is pure bull****. The video speaks for itself. She was just walking past and he grabbed her.

[armand.kay]

people are really defending this behaviour omg...

[sleleen]

people are really defending this behaviour omg...

yeah its embarrasing

[joeysteele]

Sack him and take him to court, that’s assault. This “she might have had a weapon” bull**** doesn’t stick, he wouldn’t have approached her if he knew she had a weapon he’d have cowered away like the coward he is. Interesting to see the right defending this but when there’s milkshake involved against those two ***** they’re all crying


I 100% agree with you, 100%, totally right in all you say.

Very well expressed too.
She says she isn't going to the police, wish I could talk to her as I'd do all I could to change her mind on that.

He should be in trouble anywsy for assaulting someone where they were.
It wasn't his property after all.

[Niamh.]

I 100% agree with you, 100%, totally right in all you say.

Very well expressed too.
She says she isn't going to the police, wish I could talk to her as I'd do all I could to change her mind on that.

He should be in trouble anywsy for assaulting someone where they were.
It wasn't his property after all.

Yeah good point Joey, it wasn't his property she was on and she wasn't walking towards anyone so saying it some sort of defense shouldn't stand up either

[bots]

They can't afford to let him off for this. Obviously it's up to the police if there is a criminal charge, but he should at least be expelled from the conservative party

[arista]

Yeah good point Joey, it wasn't his property she was on and she wasn't walking towards anyone so saying it some sort of defense shouldn't stand up either


She was with a group that invaded via a side door
He stopped her getting near to the Chancellor
A door Alarm went off
He knew she was Trouble.

[arista]

They can't afford to let him off for this. Obviously it's up to the police if there is a criminal charge, but he should at least be expelled from the conservative party


No Way

[Niamh.]

She was with a group that invaded via a side door
He stopped her getting near to the Chancellor
A door Alarm went off
He knew she was Trouble.

It's not his place to act as a security guard

[arista]

It's not his place to act as a security guard


As a MP
he thought it was correct to stop the
Left Wing Greenpeace Protester.

[Cherie]

yeah its embarrasing

Well yes there are always people who see things differently that is how the world works.....

Personally I don't think he will survive this, but having listened to people on the other side defending his actions, I can sort of see a little of where they are coming from with regard to the security issue and the personal safety of the people there, you have to listen to both sides to have a fully informed view otherwise we are just all nodding dogs

[Matthew.]

This is not on

[Matthew.]

And let’s not pretend that he’d be getting this amount of praise in this thread if he was Diane Abbott

[Beso]

:skull:

the poor lady looked quite scared how he grabbed her and shoved her against that pillar

She's a lightweight protestor..she should have fought back for what she believes in instead of wimping out like a shrinking violet.

[Vicky.]

She's a lightweight protestor..she should have fought back for what she believes in instead of wimping out like a shrinking violet.

Oddly enough, many women do not stand up against men who randomly attack them, for whatever reason. I cannot imagine why, its not like male violence has the potential to escalate when someone retaliates or anything.

Didn't take long for the 'she should have reacted differently' though. I guess thats the next line of defence once 'he was scared' is chucked out because people have eyes and can watch it themselves..

[Tom4784]

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

[Niamh.]

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

:hehe:

[MTVN]

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

[Cherie]

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

A Labour MP in 2010 was stabbed by an innocuous looking 21 year old woman. Just because she doesn't look like she'd be armed or violent is no guarantee that she isn't. I don't really get why these cases always lead to endless 'what if' scenarios either or why there's endless comparisons about how people have reacted to other different incidents none of which is very relevant

Actually the woman in questions reaction has been pretty calm - she says she doesn't want to press charges and doesn't feel she was assaulted but she recommends that he gets anger management classes

I agree with this.

[Beso]

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

If he did do it for that then imo that was a fair and reasonable reaction.

[Vicky.]

Matt, I would take that explanation IF he had seemed like..worried or unsure, rather than raging mad. Her was not hesitant in the slightest which you would be if you even thought it was possible someone was armed. There were security scanners also. I actually find it really sad that people seem to be using endless excuses to make out a guy who randomly attacked a woman was in 'self defense' or whatever, when the video kind of shows..it clearly was not.

Anything to excuse violence against women though, or even blame it on the woman. Twas ever thus.

[MTVN]

Matt, I would take that explanation IF he had seemed like..worried or unsure, rather than raging mad. Her was not hesitant in the slightest which you would be if you even thought it was possible someone was armed. There were security scanners also. I actually find it really sad that people seem to be using endless excuses to make out a guy who randomly attacked a woman was in 'self defense' or whatever, when the video kind of shows..it clearly was not.

Anything to excuse violence against women though, or even blame it on the woman. Twas ever thus.

I get that but there's no single way to react to what might be a threat, some people do react with anger in those circumstances rather than quivering fear or uncertainty. Given that numerous protestors were able to enter a room full of quite powerful and important people and roam freely suggests security was not particularly hot so there's no reason to assume it was impossible to get a weapon in

I'm not defending him but I think there's room for some understanding of the situation but it seems unless you get all angry and call him an evil Tory scumbag etc then you support violence against women so..

[Sticks]

I think this incident shows that his talents were wasted in the foreign office - he should be made Chief Whip to, as Francis Urquhart would say, "put a bit of stick about" then we might get the withdrawal agreement passed...

[joeysteele]

Maybe he did what he did because he feared she was armed with a milkshake. Manhandling someone is a-okay as long as you're a right wing politcian but throwing milkshake over them is akin to a murder attempt it seems.

:joker: like the first line adding humour.

I find it unbelievable.
The woman isn't calm.
She's just stated she isn't going to press charges.

A colleague of hers said earlier today, the lady was shaken up by it.

All being passed over to try to soften the seriousness of an unprovoked assault on a woman by a man.

Good grief, if Corbyn or one of his MPs had done this.
The anger on here against him and also lumping in the whole Labour movement, by the rabid right, would likely cause overload to the site.

[Vicky.]

I get that but there's no single way to react to what might be a threat, some people do react with anger in those circumstances rather than quivering fear or uncertainty. Given that numerous protestors were able to enter a room full of quite powerful and important people and roam freely suggests security was not particularly hot so there's no reason to assume it was impossible to get a weapon in

I'm not defending him but I think there's room for some understanding of the situation but it seems unless you get all angry and call him an evil Tory scumbag etc then you support violence against women so..

But..it really does look like that :laugh: People all over are finding thousands of ways to make out he did nothing wrong and the woman deserved it. Like usual tbh. Just grates after a while..thats all D:

[Twosugars]

The protester speaks to the Guardian
Looks like Vicky was right.


Bruised and still shaken, Janet Barker is incredulous at the violent reaction of the Foreign Office minister Mark Field to her peaceful protest with fellow Greenpeace activists at the chancellor’s Mansion House speech.

However, she has no plans to press criminal charges over the physical assault. “I think it is something best dealt with in the court of opinion,” she said, while welcoming his suspension as a minister.

Barker said she had been trying to deliver leaflets to guests on Thursday evening when she was grabbed by the neck and arm and forcibly ejected by Field, despite her pleas for him to release his grip and allow her to walk from the dining hall.

“I remember a chair being pushed out. Then being shoved. I was saying, over and over: ‘This is a peaceful protest, a peaceful protest.’ I was saying it quite audibly, certainly loud enough.”

She could not see the man’s face, and had no idea who he was: “I just knew it was a guy. And that he was very, very angry. You could hear that in the tone of his voice.

“I knew he wanted me out,” said Barker, 40, who was carrying a phone and a small handbag. “ I thought if I just keep saying ‘peaceful protest, peaceful protest’ you hope to defuse the situation. But there was no diffusion in his anger.

“He continued to grip me by the neck and the arm all the way to the door of the building. Then, when we got to the door, he shoved me outside on to the street, and said: ‘This is what happens when people like you disturb our dinner.’”

Barker, from Builth Wells, Powys, has been a Greenpeace volunteer for many years and had entered the dinner with 20-30 activists who were hoping to deliver a speech about the climate crisis.

Predominantly women, they wore red dresses with sashes stating: “Climate emergency”.

“We wanted to enter in a very dignified way,” Barker said. “We were respectful. We even ensured that our dresses were the correct length, because women who attend the Mansion House have to have a specific length.”

They entered as “a block of red”, said Barker, who works in environmental education and homelessness prevention, and runs a small holding and ethical angora business. “The doors were open as we were going in, and when security staff clocked what was happening they did start to close the doors.”

Each had their roles, and hers was to deliver copies of the climate emergency speech to guests in the form of sealed letters.

Barker, whose Greenpeace activism has included joining a protest against dams on the Tapajós River in the Brazilian Amazon in support of the Munduruku people, said she believed she was one of the last to get in.

She was to walk to the right of the room with several others, but they had been locked out. Other protesters, walking to the left of the room, were being detained by security staff, so she found herself alone.

She thought if she walked around the back of the diners, she could hand a copy of the speech to Philip Hammond. “Nobody bothered me. It was fine.”

She estimates she was about 10 metres from Hammond, just approaching the right-hand corner of the top table. “Then a gentleman in front pushed his seat out and just grabbed me.”

Asked if she was carrying or doing anything that could possibly have indicated she might be armed and threatening, she said: “I had a phone, and a tiny handbag, which was open and full of leaflets. The only thing I was armed with was peer-reviewed science.”

She made no sudden movements, she said. “I was walking past him just like a waitress or waiter would.”

Field refused to relinquish his grip, she said. “I kept saying: “Look, just let go. I will walk on my own. I am not about to start a wrestling match with you. I will walk.’ He said: ‘I’m not letting go until you are out of this building.’”

She said no one came to her defence. “I think people were taken aback, like ‘What?’”

She said Field’s anger shocked her; it was palpable in his voice and grip. “The pressure on my neck never eased all the way down the stairs and until we were outside.” The inside of the top of her right arm was still red on Friday morning.

Once at the door, he shoved her with such force, she said, she struggled not to fall over. A woman, also at the door, told her: “You’re not welcome here.”

Once outside, Barker realised she was trembling.

“I think he needs to seriously look at why he reacted like that, why his anger went from 0-60 in 0.2 seconds. He needs anger management. Because I worry maybe he’s on a bit of a simmer all the time, that just one or two things might tip him over, especially for him to be like that towards a woman. It makes me wonder what else might trigger him off, and who else might be at the receiving end,” she said.

“I want him to think about what he did, and why he did it. And address his behaviour.”

Barker said she had anticipated verbal resistance. “We thought we might be ushered out, politely.”

Looking back on the incident, she said it was the authoritarianism that angered her. “That’s what I felt. He was very domineering. He seemed to think he was in the right.

“Those in power are very privileged. They are very disconnected with the everyday struggles of everybody else. And I really felt that was apparent in his behaviour. They are in power. They believe they are right, and I was a silly little girl.

“I still find is unbelievable. We are in a climate emergency. Fossil fuels, the Greenland ice sheet is melting, the Himalayan ice caps are melting, there’s going to be massive water shortages in the future and they are worried about their dinner being disturbed.

“I think we should remember that protest is a legitimate part of our democracy. It helps us evolve. Good things come from it. Look at the suffragettes, India democracy and Gandhi, the Black Power movement.

“And behaviour like this is trying to crush it, and we will keep rising up, because we have got to.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/21/greenpeace-activist-mark-field-needs-anger-management

[Oliver_W]

Is that lunatic seriously comparing her little protest to Suffrage, Gandhi, and the abolition of slavery? :laugh:

[GiRTh]

Nah he cant get away with that. She should be prosecuted too but to lay hands on her and walk her out like that is assault. She didnt seem enough of a threat for him to plead self defence so he's in trouble.

[Twosugars]

Is that lunatic seriously comparing her little protest to Suffrage, Gandhi, and the abolition of slavery? :laugh:

Well, climate change is serious enough dont you think?
It certainly wont be combated by doing nothing and criticising everything

[Sticks]

But he showed that he has what it takes to be chief whip and get reluctant MP's to vote the way they are told.

[Oliver_W]

Well, climate change is serious enough dont you think?
It certainly wont be combated by doing nothing and criticising everything

Sure. But the better way to do that would be to suggest -or even better, pioneer- viable alternatives and strategies. Do they think the government is gonna push the button labelled "make everything better" once a certain number of roads have been blocked?

[Kazanne]

Sure. But the better way to do that would be to suggest -or even better, pioneer- viable alternatives and strategies. Do they think the government is gonna push the button labelled "make everything better" once a certain number of roads have been blocked?

Well said Oliver:wavey:

[Ammi]

Nah he cant get away with that. She should be prosecuted too but to lay hands on her and walk her out like that is assault. She didnt seem enough of a threat for him to plead self defence so he's in trouble.

..yeah she obviously shouldn’t have been there...and he was angry that she was and used unreasonable force...just because he wanted to and because he could...

[joeysteele]

Well, climate change is serious enough dont you think?
It certainly wont be combated by doing nothing and criticising everything

It is very serious.
Many things have had to have more prominent and intrusive action taken to right wrongs.
Or to win just causes.

Some seem to want to remove from anyone,(who is not on a right wing agenda), the right to protest.

They really are unbelievable.
I'm actually sickened people on here are dressing up what this man did.

Probably just because he's a Conservative MP.

Because had this been a Labour MP.
Their statements would be likely a whole turnaround.

I would be saying all I've said no matter what Party this man was from.
He was out of order 100% and he initiated and committed an assault.
On someone who made no move to him or even attempted to harm him by fighting back either.

To read of people putting her down for her cause rather than condemning an unprovoked assault.
Fills me with despair for the UK.

Is that the gutter level we've sunk to.
Disgraceful.

[Twosugars]

Sure. But the better way to do that would be to suggest -or even better, pioneer- viable alternatives and strategies. Do they think the government is gonna push the button labelled "make everything better" once a certain number of roads have been blocked?

It's about showing people wont let them compromise on the urgency for action

And in this case is about raising awareness among business leaders

It all leads to developing critical mass for the movement and also making a nuisance of themselves so that everybody understands the protest wont go away.
Very much like the other causes she compared it to did. Those activists were also called lunatics in their time.

[Northern Monkey]

He was too rough.
Although he was right to react before she reached the chancellor he should’ve reacted calmer and blocked her then lead her out or if she refused then got a licensed security staff member to kick her out.
He seems to have not assessed the situation properly and acted purely on instinct.
The frightening thing for me is the total lack of security.He should never have been put in that situation.That could have been any nutter.
Nobody unauthorised should be able to get anywhere near that table or even in that room.

[Oliver_W]

The frightening thing for me is the total lack of security.He should never have been put in that situation.That could have been any nutter.
Nobody unauthorised should be able to get anywhere near that table or even in that room.
Yeah, that is much scarier than some woman being removed from a room.

[GiRTh]

It's about showing people wont let them compromise on the urgency for action

And in this case is about raising awareness among business leaders

It all leads to developing critical mass for the movement and also making a nuisance of themselves so that everybody understands the protest wont go away.
Very much like the other causes she compared it to did. Those activists were also called lunatics in their time.:clap1:

[Tom4784]

Is that lunatic seriously comparing her little protest to Suffrage, Gandhi, and the abolition of slavery? :laugh:

Good job on completely missing the point to focus on one tiny bit to try to discredit her.

[Beso]

Matt, I would take that explanation IF he had seemed like..worried or unsure, rather than raging mad. Her was not hesitant in the slightest which you would be if you even thought it was possible someone was armed. There were security scanners also. I actually find it really sad that people seem to be using endless excuses to make out a guy who randomly attacked a woman was in 'self defense' or whatever, when the video kind of shows..it clearly was not.

Anything to excuse violence against women though, or even blame it on the woman. Twas ever thus.

It wasn't in self defense....it was to get the noisy **** out the party. ..and boy did he do that.:joker:

[Twosugars]

It wasn't in self defense....it was to get the noisy **** out the party. ..and boy did he do that.:joker:

Somehow May and party chairman disagree with your assessment saying his actions are very concerning and hard to defend.
Now, who is better informed them or you?

[Beso]

Somehow May and party chairman disagree with your assessment saying his actions are very concerning and hard to defend.
Now, who is better informed them or you?

Me.

[Twosugars]

Night night

[Beso]

Night night

Why do you think he did it then?


And don't you think he made a good job of it?

[Withano]

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Tea

:joker: true

[Oliver_W]

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Tea

- Farage was making political appearances, no danger to anyone

- Brand jokingly incited violence, but chimping over that is stupid

- woman broke into a political meeting and was striding over toward one of the members. She could easily have been a threat.

[Beso]

:joker: true

What is the right? ?

Can you explain to me what "the right" is.?

[Withano]

What is the right? ?

Can you explain to me what "the right" is.?

Have a strong feeling you’re already prepared to argue back at any answer given

[Withano]

- Farage was making political appearances, no danger to anyone

- Brand jokingly incited violence, but chimping over that is stupid

- woman broke into a political meeting and was striding over toward one of the members. She could easily have been a threat.


Jokingly inciting violence is worse than actual, literal violence

Ok oliver

[Oliver_W]

Jokingly inciting violence is worse than actual, literal violence

Ok oliver

and then I said that chimping out over it was stupid. It's right there in the post. I was addressing all three points from the tweet.

[Withano]

and then I said that chimping out over it was stupid. It's right there in the post. I was addressing all three points from the tweet.

I literally have no idea what point you was trying to make.

[Ammi]

...she didn’t ‘stride over to one of the members’...she tried to continue her walking past of the people there when his hand went out and pushed her against a column...and he continued his physical assault of her...no one else acted with such hostility, no one else seemed to feel she was some type of threat who needed physical aggression to be stopped...I do actually find it quite worrying that a male act of such aggression and dominance toward a female would be thought of as ....’some woman being removed from a room’..../..in a not that big a deal kind of a way is how it feels...

[joeysteele]

...she didn’t ‘stride over to one of the members’...she tried to continue her walking past of the people there when his hand went out and pushed her against a column...and he continued his physical assault of her...no one else acted with such hostility, no one else seemed to feel she was some type of threat who needed physical aggression to be stopped...I do actually find it quite worrying that a male act of such aggression and dominance toward a female would be thought of as ....’some woman being removed from a room’..../..in a not that big a deal kind of a way is how it feels...

It was an unprovoked assault.
I wish she'd press charges.

She shouldn't have been there but they were already in.
It wasn't his own property.

I say again, she made no move to him.
She made no fightback or resistance to his assault.

You have covered all too in your post.

This was in public too, it's worrying to think how he'd react in a more private setting.

It most certainly was not just a woman being removed from a room.
It was assault, unprovoked assault.

He was NOT security, he is NOT the police.

Since this was seen in public and is all across the media.
It's astounding he may get away with this not going to court.

He should at the very least never hold public political office again.

I find the veiled and clearer defence of him sickening and dismaying.
He was totally out of order and I repeat in my view this was assault.
No ordinary citizen would not be hauled into court.

The guy throwing a milkshake on Farage ended up in court and he never physically touched Farage.

I'd question if this man should be allowed to remain an MP.

[Kazanne]

Lets hope next time someone walks in and blows the bloody lot of them up, afterall it was a lady who was dressed in fine linen who could never hurt anyone.pfft no wonder people get attacked too many people turning a blind eye.

[joeysteele]

Lets hope next time someone walks in and blows the bloody lot of them up, afterall it was a lady who was dressed in fine linen who could never hurt anyone.pfft no wonder people get attacked too many people turning a blind eye.

There were lots of women there and he'd seen them too.
All dressed in red.
Hardly wanting to be quietly infiltrating.
She had climate change all over her sash.

Someone walking in to blow all up including themself would not be in an entourage like she was with.

You have astounded me Kazanne.
Because if this had been a Labour MP.
You'd have been likely jumping in applauding all those jumping in to totally condemn him on here.

I'd be saying all I'm saying no matter what Party he was from, or even if he wasn't an MP at all.

A suicide bomber you say she could have been now.
Really reaching in your defence of him now that is.

[user104658]

The excuses being made for this one too, would be utterly hilarious if they weren't a symptom of a rapidly approaching dystopian nightmare.

[Kazanne]

There were lots of women there and he'd seen them too.
All dressed in red.
Hardly wanting to be quietly infiltrating.
She had climate change all over her sash.

Someone walking in to blow all up including themself would not be in an entourage like she was with.

You have astounded me Kazanne.
Because if this had been a Labour MP.
You'd have been likely jumping in applauding all those jumping in to totally condemn him on here.

I'd be saying all I'm saying no matter what Party he was from, or even if he wasn't an MP at all.

A suicide bomber you say she could have been now.
Really reaching in your defence of him now that is.


Joey, prepare to be astounded again,lol,I m NOT defending the bloke,never heard of him before,i don't care what party he is from,i didn't know that either, all I am saying is when people are surprised in that sort of environment we react in different ways,sometimes when one of my kids have scared me I have reacted in a irrational way and shouted at them in the heat of that moment, yes he looked to be too rough,but the woman herself thinks its no big deal so why is everyone making it one, it's like the milkshake argument many see it as harmless which of course milk shake is but acid is not and it well have been that,surely its best to be safe than sorry,that's all,I am not defending his actions but can see it from both sides.

[user104658]

Joey, prepare to be astounded again,lol,I m NOT defending the bloke

...

all I am saying is when people are surprised in that sort of environment we react in different ways,sometimes when one of my kids have scared me I have reacted in a irrational way and shouted at them in the heat of that moment, yes he looked to be too rough,but the woman herself thinks its no big deal so why is everyone making it one, it's like the milkshake argument many see it as harmless which of course milk shake is but acid is not and it well have been that,surely its best to be safe than sorry,that's all,I am not defending his actions but can see it from both sides.


You are literally defending him right after stating that you're not defending him. :think:

[joeysteele]

Joey, prepare to be astounded again,lol,I m NOT defending the bloke,never heard of him before,i don't care what party he is from,i didn't know that either, all I am saying is when people are surprised in that sort of environment we react in different ways,sometimes when one of my kids have scared me I have reacted in a irrational way and shouted at them in the heat of that moment, yes he looked to be too rough,but the woman herself thinks its no big deal so why is everyone making it one, it's like the milkshake argument many see it as harmless which of course milk shake is but acid is not and it well have been that,surely its best to be safe than sorry,that's all,I am not defending his actions but can see it from both sides.

Honestly.
You are trying to tell me, you didn't know he was a Conservative MP.
When the very first headlines stated either Tory MP or Cabinet Minister.

I reiterate.
Had this have been a Labour MP.
You and others would have branded him a thug and representative of left wing Labour extremism.

From the first seconds of this being made known, the one clear headline was he is a Conservative MP.

Someone would need to be on a desert island not to have known that from the start.

Then you in your last section go on to make a further veiled defence of him.
The protesters were annoying but not there to harm or manhandle anyone.
He did, only him.
No one else.

She's okay about it now but was shaken at the time.
You completely unfairly overlook that.

You were absolutely right in your opening line however.
For me to prepare to be astounded again.
I certainly am and totally dismayed staring in disbelief too.

[Withano]

Lets hope next time someone walks in and blows the bloody lot of them up, afterall it was a lady who was dressed in fine linen who could never hurt anyone.pfft no wonder people get attacked too many people turning a blind eye.

Violently handle people everywhere you go just in case they’re a terrorist says Kazanne.

[Vicky.]

The excuses being made for this one too, would be utterly hilarious if they weren't a symptom of a rapidly approaching dystopian nightmare.

100% agree. The sheer amount of excuses coming out is worrying me a lot. I mean, theres the usual tribalism thats expected but..this is really something else.

Along with people simultaneously defending this WHILE still saying milkshake throwing should earn life in prison. Really? Cognitive dissonance at its finest..

[Livia]

She was heading for the head of the Bank of England, and for the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Just because she was a white woman, are we to assume she wouldn't do something crazy and murderous? Are we all really sure about that?

The only people here who should be explaining themselves is the security team. Because obviously no one is going to want to the protestors to have to explain themselves, they can pretty much do as they please until it affects you personally... then it's a whole other story.

[Livia]

Violently handle people everywhere you go just in case they’re a terrorist says Kazanne.

Just in case? They had unlawfully entered an event at Mansion House, she was heading toward people who could easily be described as targets... but hey, she's a middle-class white woman, she could never be a terrorist, says Withano.

[Withano]

Just in case? They had unlawfully entered an event at Mansion House, she was heading toward people who could easily be described as targets... but hey, she's a middle-class white woman, she could never be a terrorist, says Withano.

Well if this thread shows anything, I’m a better judge of character than you, so.

[Livia]

Well if this thread shows anything, I’m a better judge of character than you, so.


In your own mind.

[Kazanne]

Honestly.
You are trying to tell me, you didn't know he was a Conservative MP.
When the very first headlines stated either Tory MP or Cabinet Minister.

I reiterate.
Had this have been a Labour MP.
You and others would have branded him a thug and representative of left wing Labour extremism.

From the first seconds of this being made known, the one clear headline was he is a Conservative MP.

Someone would need to be on a desert island not to have known that from the start.

Then you in your last section go on to make a further veiled defence of him.
The protesters were annoying but not there to harm or manhandle anyone.
He did, only him.
No one else.

She's okay about it now but was shaken at the time.
You completely unfairly overlook that.

You were absolutely right in your opening line however.
For me to prepare to be astounded again.
I certainly am and totally dismayed staring in disbelief too.

Joey I am too busy to look too deeply into things,I am not a liar I am quite upset that you of all people would think that,I didn't know who he was ,you can believe that or not I don't even know what the occasion was ,I only skim through things sometimes but I did see the incident on the news and have said several times he handled it wrong, so I am NOT defending him at all.

[Withano]

In your own mind.

You’ll agree one day.

[Kazanne]

In your own mind.

As always :laugh:

[Livia]

You’ll agree one day.

Don't hold your breath.

[Withano]

Don't hold your breath.

Be more optimistic, Liv.

[Livia]

Be more optimistic, Liv.

Sigh.

I'm just going to post this, then you can answer it with some nonsensical one-liner and have the last word. Okay?

[Sticks]

Mark Field MP for Chief Whip, as he is not afraid to "Put a bit of stick about"
It's what they do in the Whip's Office...

[joeysteele]

Joey I am too busy to look too deeply into things,I am not a liar I am quite upset that you of all people would think that,I didn't know who he was ,you can believe that or not I don't even know what the occasion was ,I only skim through things sometimes but I did see the incident on the news and have said several times he handled it wrong, so I am NOT defending him at all.



No one called you a liar.
However you always insist on others getting full facts before judging.

Every news report stated a Cabinet minister.
It's astounding anyone wouldn't just from that deduce he was a Conservative MP.

I say again.
He was NOT security.
He is NOT the police.
No one else was remotely bothered, they all just stayed sitting there.

She wasn't the only woman there, there were several and some were engaged talking with others there.
Just looking round would have shown him this was a climate change protest group.

The truth more likely is, some don't think people should now have any right to protest.
They complain about marches in the street too.

Any trouble, and its called thuggery from far left Labour members or supporters.

This was overreaction on a grand scale, his action and assault inappropriate, I'd say criminal if she were to press charges.

I really think decency is doomed in the UK when his disgraceful behaviour, ONLY his, no one else's there at all, gets any defence.
It speaks volumes about those trying to defend his actions too in my view.

I find it sickening, a disgrace.

[Twosugars]

To all who defend him all I have to say is this.

Listen and take on board what was said of his behaviour

The PM said: very concerning
The party chairman said: hard to defend

These people are well briefed, security conscious and on the same side politically.
Enough said.

[Tom4784]

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

[joeysteele]

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

Dezzy, you are one who talks the most sense on here honestly.
I agree with all you say.

Only this guy had that reaction.
He grabbed a Woman by the neck.
Not try to escort her out by her arm.
That in itself is a threatening act.

I'd be saying all this no matter who it was, an MP or not.
Irrespective if Party.

He was wrong in his response as a person and it is assault as no one acted as he did.
No one else even seemed bothered.

This thread made, even before anyone posted it has at its head.
Tory MP in the heading.
TORY MP, clear as day

Had it said Labour MP.
Those with the irrational venomous spite against the Labour movement, would be screaming this was something Corbyn needs to stamp out in Labour and that the assault was from the usual left wing thug element.
I'd bet most of all I have on that..

Yet they cry out at times for reasoned debate.

Once this heading of Tory MP was there.
The sad defence of this assault has flowed.
Showing total double standards.

I've had my eyes well and truly opened on this thread, I'm left frankly stunned and sickened.

The law tells you, you cannot legally and shouldn't take the law into your own hands.
That's what he did, against a Woman.

She shouldn't have been there, to some on here protestors shouldn't be anywhere.
The women, a whole group of them were there, people there were talking to the other women.

This angry individual was the only one to assault any of them.

It's a disgrace anyone is trying to defend him as to his menacing and threatening response to that woman.
[Sickening totally.

[Cherie]

Dezzy, you are one who talks the most sense on here honestly.
I agree with all you say.

Only this guy had that reaction.
He grabbed a Woman by the neck.
Not try to escort her out by her arm.
That in itself is a threatening act.

I'd be saying all this no matter who it was, an MP or not.
Irrespective if Party.

He was wrong in his response as a person and it is assault as no one acted as he did.
No one else even seemed bothered.

This thread made, even before anyone posted it has at its head.
Tory MP in the heading.
TORY MP, clear as day

Had it said Labour MP.
Those with the irrational venomous spite against the Labour movement, would be screaming this was something Corbyn needs to stamp out in Labour and that the assault was from the usual left wing thug element.
I'd bet most of all I have on that..

Yet they cry out at times for reasoned debate.

Once this heading of Tory MP was there.
The sad defence of this assault has flowed.
Showing total double standards.

I've had my eyes well and truly opened on this thread, I'm left frankly stunned and sickened.

The law tells you, you cannot legally and shouldn't take the law into your own hands.
That's what he did, against a Woman.

She shouldn't have been there, to some on here protestors shouldn't be anywhere.
The women, a whole group of them were there, people there were talking to the other women.

This angry individual was the only one to assault any of them.

It's a disgrace anyone is trying to defend him as to his menacing and threatening response to that woman.
[Sickening totally.

I tell you what I find sickening and astounding Joey, you have laboured the same point over and over on this thread, making if very clear that you are attacking someone that considers you a good friend, I think most people could argue their point without resorting to the crushing insults you have heaped on the head of someone who considers you a friend. If I were Kazanne I would have told you where to shove your attitude by now but she is far too nice to do that.

[joeysteele]

I tell you what I find sickening and astounding Joey, you have laboured the same point over and over on this thread, making if very clear that you are attacking someone that considers you a good friend, I think most people could argue their point without resorting to the crushing insults you have heaped on the head of someone who considers you a friend. If I were Kazanne I would have told you where to shove your attitude by now but she is far too nice to do that.

Really.
Well I need no lectures from you as to labouring the same point.

I will make my points as I wish and if I make or do anything that is wrong.
I will be told by the mods not YOU.

My post clearly states they not one person.
The plural meaning several people not just one.

I think you should post on the topic and stop playing a self appointed mod status.
Frankly since you have come to get at me yet again as in the past.

If you are sickened by me and my valid points.
That is satisfying to me, very much so.

Back to the topic that you have veered from to
I get at someone personally.
I state again, I feel it is wrong to defend this man.
No matter who or what he is.

I have not attacked anyone personally, only the views they express.

You mention someone too by name.
I won't.
However on political issues we battle constantly on here.
Other things we agree 100% on..

Over all my years on here I have raced to defend said individual and will do so likely many tines in the future too.
So I respectfully suggest you mind your own business.

Something you seem to have a problem with doing.

[Cherie]

There were lots of women there and he'd seen them too.
All dressed in red.
Hardly wanting to be quietly infiltrating.
She had climate change all over her sash.

Someone walking in to blow all up including themself would not be in an entourage like she was with.

You have astounded me Kazanne.
Because if this had been a Labour MP.
You'd have been likely jumping in applauding all those jumping in to totally condemn him on here.

I'd be saying all I'm saying no matter what Party he was from, or even if he wasn't an MP at all.

A suicide bomber you say she could have been now.
Really reaching in your defence of him now that is.


No you have never attacked anyone personally on this thread, have you Joey, which is quite ironic given your stand on the thread

[joeysteele]

No you have never attacked anyone personally on this thread, have you Joey, which is quite ironic given your stand on the thread

I was replying directly to her on that post.
What has that got to do with you.
However since you are not going to let this drop.
I will endeavour never to respond to or mention said member again.

Just mind your own business however with respect Cherie.

You are NOT a mod.
I didn't attack her, I was responding TO her.
With my views.
As to her view.

Just, really mind your own business.
I really don't give a jot as to what you think of me.
Not a single jot.

[Kazanne]

Cherie , Please don't get into bother because of me, but thankyou I know you are just looking out for me and a good friend, and Joey I may be a lot of things but I am loyal and I get the hint.

[Oliver_W]

It's sad when people place their political allegiances above morality. There are people in this thread who acted like getting a milkshake thrown on their idol was akin to an acid attack, there are people in this thread who reacted with outrage when Jo Brand made an edgy joke on a comedy show yet these same people are engaging in some incredibly acts of mental gymnastics to try to absolve someone who is politically on their side of blame when he assaulted someone for no reason. It wasn't self defense, it wasn't justified and if his own allies can see that, why can't you?

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.

[joeysteele]

Cherie , Please don't get into bother because of me, but thankyou I know you are just looking out for me and a good friend, and Joey I may be a lot of things but I am loyal and I get the hint.

Kazanne, I've said it often enough.
You and I as I do with others disagree intensely on politics.
Most of the time, out of respect for you, I even avoid even engaging with you on it.

I see little point in wasting energy yours or others or mine, when being so poles apart means political tensions.

You and I agree elsewhere on near all other matters.
That has been so from me joining.

However, it is nothing to do with the other one who poked her nose in.

Now I can not respond to your posts if YOU wish,not her.
I know you are loyal, you were the 2nd person on here who I befriended.

By the way, no one gets in bother because of me.
I would not report anyone now.
Or take any disputes anywhere either.
No point in that.
However if I'm talking to you or vice versa it's for you to confront me or me you vice versa.
Not possible hostile meddling others.


You and I could have a strong political disagreement then totally be at one on all else.
Sadly it's how the political state is.
We had as I recall many disputes even in the 2015 election.
To avoid having unnecessary unwelcome interference from others however, I will endeavour to avoid political points between us and not respond.

[lime]

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.

But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.

Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.
This BS irks me more than it should.

She was not armed and nobody else at that table felt threatend ..only him.


Politicians do have reason to be cautious..Many MP's face peaceful...abusive and aggresive protesters leaving Westminster every day and don't react like this.

[user104658]

I agree that the reaction over Jo Brand's joke was ridiculous.



But can you not see the difference between political canvassing and breaking into a room full of politicians? Farage wasn't harming anyone and there was no reason to think he might; the woman forced her way into a room full of top politicians, and was actively approaching the chancellor.



Field's reaction was a bit over the top, but in the aftermath of Jo Cox politicians have reason to be cautious.The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

[Oliver_W]

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all.
Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x

[lime]

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy x
Oliver if we all held opinions that he/she might be a threat we would never leave our homes.I'm starting to thing folk are terrorising themselves.

Nobody but him felt that the woman was a threat only him

[Cherie]

I was replying directly to her on that post.
What has that got to do with you.
However since you are not going to let this drop.
I will endeavour never to respond to or mention said member again.

Just mind your own business however with respect Cherie.

You are NOT a mod.
I didn't attack her, I was responding TO her.
With my views.
As to her view.

Just, really mind your own business.
I really don't give a jot as to what you think of me.
Not a single jot.

You posted on a public forum, so no I wont be minding my own business if I think someone is being attacked, Kaz had already said she felt upset but you carried on with your thinly passive aggressive veiled insults, you are ASTOUNDED, you feel SICKENED, I mean really? are you sitting reading TiBB gasping at what you are reading, or clutching your pearls do give me a break. and as for referring to me 'as the other one' lmfao....you can call me what you want, I am neither astounded nor sickened as just what I have come to expect from you, this is my last post to you on this topic, but do feel free to have the last word

[lime]

The "excuse" that he genuinely believed she was going to physically attack someone when he grabbed her is just disingenuous to be honest. It's so far-fetched that I can't believe anyone actually believes it? He was annoyed that they were interrupting his nice evening, and that's all. It's bad enough that people want to justify his violent actions, but we also have people keen to brand him some sort of have-a-go hero? Really, really grim.

:clap1::clap1:

[Ammi]

....I think for me what he did went beyond anything that could be considered reasonable force...but it worries me as to what society we live in would become if the stance was...’be prepared for a personal attack by attacking first..’....even when all the ‘apparent attacker’ has done is to approach you...we cannot live our lives in the assumption that a person/people are going to harm us...because of specific isolated incidents...being vigilant is important...but attacking and assaulting someone....no...

[Ammi]

...Kaz and Joey...:love:..I know you have always had a great friendship and huge respect for each other..I hope that continues for you both..:hug:...

[user104658]

Thank god we still have genuine psychics, your mind reading skills could come in handy xThe idea that you have to be "psychic" to assess a social situation is disingenuous nonsense, too.

"How was I supposed to know that the screaming, crying person was upset tho? I'm not a psychic herpdy derpdy doo, I couldn't possibly make a guess at anyone's intentions without them being explicitly explained by that person"

[arista]

....I think for me what he did went beyond anything that could be considered reasonable force...but it worries me as to what society we live in would become if the stance was...’be prepared for a personal attack by attacking first..’....even when all the ‘apparent attacker’ has done is to approach you...we cannot live our lives in the assumption that a person/people are going to harm us...because of specific isolated incidents...being vigilant is important...but attacking and assaulting someone....no...


He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

[Twosugars]

Not Cherie lecturing others about sarky comments :laugh:
Kazanne is also happy to make fun of posts she disagrees with.
Joey your posts are always interesting and well reasoned, dont let anybody silence you :love:

[Ammi]

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

...no she’s not pressing charges ...whether or not charges are being brought against her for entering Mansion House, is something I’m not sure...but maybe not if she doesn’t bring charges, who knows...but her being ok doesn’t change how aggressively he grabbed her...I really do hope Arista that you’re not suggesting that ‘assault’ is determined on whether blood is drawn or not...

[bots]

...no she’s not pressing charges ...whether or not charges are being brought against her for entering Mansion House, is something I’m not sure...but maybe not if she doesn’t bring charges, who knows...but her being ok doesn’t change how aggressively he grabbed her...I really do hope Arista that you’re not suggesting that ‘assault’ is determined on whether blood is drawn or not...

i think the seriousness of the crime is determined by the quantity of milkshake splatter

[Twosugars]

i think the seriousness of the crime is determined by the quantity of milkshake splatter

:laugh:

[lime]

He did not
draw blood.

She is OK
not pressing charges.

When Nigel Farage had a milkshake thrown at him...there was no blood drawn,,but the judge still found it was assualt (I agree)

[arista]

When Nigel Farage had a milkshake thrown at him...there was no blood drawn,,but the judge still found it was assualt (I agree)


Yes The Judge got that right.

[Oliver_W]

When Nigel Farage had a milkshake thrown at him...there was no blood drawn,,but the judge still found it was assualt (I agree)

She has the right to press charges too.

[lime]

She has the right to press charges too.But she choose not to.He apolagised and promised to attend anger management.


fair play to her for not taking this though the criminal courts

[Twosugars]

But she choose not to.He apolagised and promised to attend anger management.


fair play to her for not taking this though the criminal courts

She has class
Unlike farage

[Liam-]

Yes The Judge got that right.

So you class a thrown milkshake as assault, but not someone using physical, aggressive force?

[Beso]

So you class a thrown milkshake as assault, but not someone using physical, aggressive force?

Two totally different incidents...one was an unprovoked attack, the other was something else.

[Cherie]

Not Cherie lecturing others about sarky comments :laugh:
Kazanne is also happy to make fun of posts she disagrees with.
Joey your posts are always interesting and well reasoned, dont let anybody silence you :love:

hey whatsyourface, not sure Joey will appreciate your interfering in his business :hee:

[Matthew.]

Two totally different incidents...one was an unprovoked attack, the other was something else.

They were both unprovoked.

[user104658]

the other was something else.

Yes the other was an aggressive bloke who had probably swiped a glass too many at the champagne reception grabbing a peaceful protester by the throat because he felt like she was being a bit rude interrupting his evening.

[lime]

Two totally different incidents...one was an unprovoked attack, the other was something else.


really?induldge me .What was the "something else"

[joeysteele]

...Kaz and Joey...:love:..I know you have always had a great friendship and huge respect for each other..I hope that continues for you both..:hug:...

It will and can for me Ammi.
Friends can really intensely disagree on one thing but the bond stays solid.
I have many political and law related arguments with many friends.

Then fully socialise with them too.

I don't break friendships either in real life or on paper.
I will never seek it or want that with said individual.

What isn't needed however, (whoever or how many it may be), are the meddling, only self appointed thinking they are mods, as interfering and unwelcome others.

As a further thought,
I agree with all you say on this thread too.
It is worrying if this was the norm, what kind of society we'd then have.
Very dismaying.

[Oliver_W]

They were both unprovoked.

Breaking into a room full of top politicians is closer to provocation than walking down a street.

[Twosugars]

hey whatsyourface, not sure Joey will appreciate your interfering in his business :hee:

He sure doesn't appreciate yours. So take your own advice :hehe:

[MTVN]

I think Cherie makes some fair points. There's been a lot of flogging of the same horse on here with the milkshake comparisons and the 'if it was a Labour MP..' posts and there are certainly undertones of insults in some posts accusing members of basically being hypocrites and spiteful is not very helpful

Its just another example of how polarised we seem to be atm and respecting opposing view points seems to have gone out the window

[Cherie]

He sure doesn't appreciate yours. So take your own advice :hehe:

I don't need to I don't mind people getting involved with what I post on the forum if they see the need.

[Cherie]

I think Cherie makes some fair points. There's been a lot of flogging of the same horse on here with the milkshake comparisons and the 'if it was a Labour MP..' posts and there are certainly undertones of insults in some posts accusing members of basically being hypocrites and spiteful is not very helpful

Its just another example of how polarised we seem to be atm and respecting opposing view points seems to have gone out the window

Thank you, and completely agree with your last point

[Twosugars]

I don't need to I don't mind people getting involved with what I post on the forum if they see the need.

So you won't mind me saying you should butt out of political disagreements between friends :hee:

[Cherie]

So you won't mind me saying you should butt out of political disagreements between friends :hee:

I don't mind you saying that at all, but I won't be changing how I post

[lime]

Breaking into a room full of top politicians is closer to provocation than walking down a street.


You do of course know how protests work?


Be it Apartheid in my case ...breaking into a room of top politicicans is how it works..

You could of course put the protesters in a field in the middle of nowhere....but what would be the point of that protest?.


sad to see in 2019 the young see protest as provocation

[Twosugars]

I don't mind you saying that at all, but I won't be changing how I post

I wasn't holding my breath :hehe:

[Sticks]

It seems my posts are like

https://media1.giphy.com/media/sRAtnOcketBAY/giphy.gif

[joeysteele]

I think Cherie makes some fair points. There's been a lot of flogging of the same horse on here with the milkshake comparisons and the 'if it was a Labour MP..' posts and there are certainly undertones of insults in some posts accusing members of basically being hypocrites and spiteful is not very helpful

Its just another example of how polarised we seem to be atm and respecting opposing view points seems to have gone out the window

Actually I think everyone has made fair comments not just one person.

Unless you're saying her comments attacking me are the fairer ones rather than her general comments.
Since I used the word spiteful in a post it's clear where your possible leaning is in your post in that then.

I can tell you, as a strong Labour supporter on here. I have had shocking statements made as to myself personally and Labour members of wich I am one.
I don't recall you jumping in against that before.


No matter who may have done this, Conservative or Labour MP or Mickey Mouse with this woman.
To me it's indefensible.
Worrying for society and overall too.

[Twosugars]

It seems my posts are like

https://media1.giphy.com/media/sRAtnOcketBAY/giphy.gif

I like your posts Sticks, both those funny and serious :love:

[Livia]

So you class a thrown milkshake as assault, but not someone using physical, aggressive force?

Throwing a milkshake is assault in the eyes of the law. There is no doubt about that.

The man who used force to stop the protestor had no way of knowing what she was going to do. Security should have been all over the place and they weren't, and she was making her way to the top table. You can't just say, but she's a middle class white woman in an evening dress.... she's not a threat. I imagine there might well have been some security sackings and so should there be. If security had been on the ball she might have ended up face down on the floor with plasticuffs on.

[lime]

Throwing a milkshake is assault in the eyes of the law. There is no doubt about that.

The man who used force to stop the protestor had no way of knowing what she was going to do. Security should have been all over the place and they weren't, and she was making her way to the top table. You can't just say, but she's a middle class white woman in an evening dress.... she's not a threat. I imagine there might well have been some security sackings and so should there be. If security had been on the ball she might have ended up face down on the floor with plasticuffs on.

But Livia.She was no physical threat to anyone...The fact that he ..and nobody else thought so is on him.Perception is not a cause for assault..I Know you are a lawyer and I am not.She broke the law ..Do I think she should have ended up "Face down on the floor".NO


It's a shame that we now judge siuations after we we check who we voted for

[Tom4784]

Throwing a milkshake is assault in the eyes of the law. There is no doubt about that.

The man who used force to stop the protestor had no way of knowing what she was going to do. Security should have been all over the place and they weren't, and she was making her way to the top table. You can't just say, but she's a middle class white woman in an evening dress.... she's not a threat. I imagine there might well have been some security sackings and so should there be. If security had been on the ball she might have ended up face down on the floor with plasticuffs on.

Have you even watched the video, Livia? You can't say it was self defense or he feared she was dangerous judging by how he acted. That's just a bull**** excuse peddled by him to try and worm his way out of trouble.

Anybody that is offended by a milkshake being thrown CANNOT explain away Mark Field manhandling a person without being a massive hypocrite, you just can't.

You can't choose when to be morally outraged when it suits, anyone who acted like Farage getting a milkshake thrown over him as an attempt on his life can't pick and choose not to take offense at this incident. That is the price to pay when you choose to use moral outrage to try to undermine someone, you have got to live and die by it, you can't pick and choose.

[Beso]

Yes the other was an aggressive bloke who had probably swiped a glass too many at the champagne reception grabbing a peaceful protester by the throat because he felt like she was being a bit rude interrupting his evening.

Didn't look like the throat to me...it looked like he spun her round by the shoulder..

[Beso]

If this was a bearded asian, dressed in black and not the woman adorned in red..would his reaction have been ok.

[Twosugars]

Didn't look like the throat to me...it looked like he spun her round by the shoulder..

Look again

[Tom4784]

If this was a bearded asian, dressed in black and not the woman adorned in red..would his reaction have been ok.

No because racial profiling isn't a good thing either, that should be obvious. What a weird question to ask....

[Oliver_W]

H
Anybody that is offended by a milkshake being thrown CANNOT explain away Mark Field manhandling a person without being a massive hypocrite, you just can't.
Not the same.


No-one who's been milkshaked were in a place they shouldn't be, and weren't possibly a threat. She wasn't meant to be there, and could have been concealing a weapon.

[Tom4784]

Not the same.


No-one who's been milkshaked were in a place they shouldn't be, and weren't possibly a threat. She wasn't meant to be there, and could have been concealing a weapon.

Mental gymnastics in order to justify hypocrisy and nothing more.

It was a peaceful protest, there was no reason to believe that she was a danger and they wouldn't have gotten past security if they were. She's literally saying 'peaceful protest' as he throws her about.

I'm tired of the hypocritical bull****, if that was Jeremy Corbyn or a remainer or anyone else that they don't have political loyalty to, the same people who have posted on this thread justifying such a response would be out for his blood. I'm just tired of the pick and choose approach to morality that depends on who the topic is about.

If you act like throwing milkshake at someone is assault then throwing someone around when you have no grounds to is also assault. There is no ifs or buts about this, if you take offense at the milkshake then you can't try and explain this away without being hypocritical.

[Liam-]

She was peacefully handing out leaflets, she wasn’t shouting, wasn’t swearing, wasn’t being aggressive, she was simply handing out pieces of paper, yeah she probably shouldn’t have been there, but trespassing isn’t illegal, the way that ‘man’ reacted was totally disproportionate to what she was doing, he saw who it was and decided to do what he did because he knew he could manhandle her, he’s very lucky she’s a bigger person and didn’t decide to press charges because she would have been well within her rights to.

[Oliver_W]

I hope the Conservative party sue the venue or the security firm, no way should an intruder have been allowed to get that close to the main table, she could have been anyone :(

[Elliot]

That MP is a Hero.

eek

[user104658]

Throwing a milkshake on Nigel Farage wasn't assault either, because actually, for all the milkshake thrower knew, Nigel may have doused himself in petrol before leaving that morning and he might have had a lighter in his pocket, ready to turn himself into a terrifying human fireball, running around the streets grabbing innocent civilians in a firey frenzy. Had that been the case, then NOT throwing the milkshake on him to neutralise the accelerant could have resulted in many deaths.

You just never know.

Hashtag milkshake HERO.

[Liam-]

Throwing a milkshake on Nigel Farage wasn't assault either, because actually, for all the milkshake thrower knew, Nigel may have doused himself in petrol before leaving that morning and he might have had a lighter in his pocket, ready to turn himself into a terrifying human fireball, running around the streets grabbing innocent civilians in a firey frenzy. Had that been the case, then NOT throwing the milkshake on him to neutralise the accelerant could have resulted in many deaths.

You just never know.

Hashtag milkshake HERO.

Some heroes don’t wear capes

[Matthew.]

Throwing a milkshake on Nigel Farage wasn't assault either, because actually, for all the milkshake thrower knew, Nigel may have doused himself in petrol before leaving that morning and he might have had a lighter in his pocket, ready to turn himself into a terrifying human fireball, running around the streets grabbing innocent civilians in a firey frenzy. Had that been the case, then NOT throwing the milkshake on him to neutralise the accelerant could have resulted in many deaths.

You just never know.

Hashtag milkshake HERO.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Tony Montana]

Throwing a milkshake on Nigel Farage wasn't assault either, because actually, for all the milkshake thrower knew, Nigel may have doused himself in petrol before leaving that morning and he might have had a lighter in his pocket, ready to turn himself into a terrifying human fireball, running around the streets grabbing innocent civilians in a firey frenzy. Had that been the case, then NOT throwing the milkshake on him to neutralise the accelerant could have resulted in many deaths.

You just never know.

Hashtag milkshake HERO.

:joker:

[Kazanne]

Not Cherie lecturing others about sarky comments :laugh:
Kazanne is also happy to make fun of posts she disagrees with.
Joey your posts are always interesting and well reasoned, dont let anybody silence you :love:

Nobodies tried too :shrug: No one has made fun of anything quite the opposite

[Kazanne]

hey whatsyourface, not sure Joey will appreciate your interfering in his business :hee:

Just what I was thinking,:laugh::laugh:

[Twosugars]

Just what I was thinking,:laugh::laugh:

But you weren't thinking that when Cherie interfered first, were you :laugh::laugh:

[Kazanne]

But you weren't thinking that when Cherie interfered first, were you :laugh::laugh:

Cherie didn't interfere,its a forum where people are supposed to be able to air their opinions, she had my back as you have your friends:smug:

[Vicky.]

Ugh right, enough of the petty sniping at each other please..this threads actually quite interesting so turning it into the same repetitive rubbish we get in SD constantly..is not good :laugh:

[lime]

I hope the Conservative party sue the venue or the security firm, no way should an intruder have been allowed to get that close to the main table, she could have been anyone :(



But she was someone Oliver....She was a protester..You might not agree what she was protesting over ,,,but surely for the love of all things sacred she is allowed protest...Is this now a new thing?Sue those who don't agree with us?,
:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[Marsh.]

Not the same.


No-one who's been milkshaked were in a place they shouldn't be, and weren't possibly a threat. She wasn't meant to be there, and could have been concealing a weapon.

She "could" have been concealing a weapon?

Everyone "could" be many things. That doesn't justify assault.

[lime]

If this was a bearded asian, dressed in black and not the woman adorned in red..would his reaction have been ok.

FFS any wonder we laugh at you in the EU.

All your type can see is an Asian dressed in black.In Europe we see Europeans.I wont lie though...The Far right is on the rise in Europe :yuk::yuk::yuk::yuk:

[Marsh.]

I hope the Conservative party sue the venue or the security firm, no way should an intruder have been allowed to get that close to the main table, she could have been anyone :(

All these coulds. Let's stick to the facts, eh, not the fairytales.

[arista]

I hope the Conservative party sue the venue or the security firm, no way should an intruder have been allowed to get that close to the main table, she could have been anyone :(



Reports are saying someone let them in
via a side door
Security were at the Entrance
Long way away.

A Worker at the event let the protesters in.

[Twosugars]

Reports are saying someone let them in
via a side door
Security were at the Entrance
Long way away.

A Worker at the event let the protesters in.

Lucky they were some peaceful "leftie" protesters
Imagine if it was far right... Tommy and his thugs, for example


Lefties throw milkshakes and leaflets
Far right beats up people

[Beso]

No because racial profiling isn't a good thing either, that should be obvious. What a weird question to ask....

I'm afraid racial profiling is ingrained in the minds of about 95 percent of the population. ...which is a good thing as it keeps the population wary of others..which in this day and age is the only way to survive travelling around our large cities.