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bots
07-07-2019, 04:25 AM
Sir Kim Darroch, one of Britain's top diplomats, used secret cables and briefing notes to impugn Trump's character, warning London that the White House was 'uniquely dysfunctional' and that the President's career could end in 'disgrace'.

His bombshell comments risk angering the notoriously thin-skinned President and undermining the UK's 'special relationship' with America.

In the memos, seen by The Mail on Sunday following an unprecedented leak, Sir Kim:

Describes bitter conflicts within Trump's White House – verified by his own sources – as 'knife fights';
Warns that Trump could have been indebted to 'dodgy Russians';
Claims the President's economic policies could wreck the world trade system;
Says the scandal-hit Presidency could 'crash and burn' and that 'we could be at the beginning of a downward spiral... that leads to disgrace and downfall';
Voices fears that Trump could still attack Iran.
In one of the most sensitive documents, Sir Kim writes: 'We don't really believe this Administration is going to become substantially more normal; less dysfunctional; less unpredictable; less faction riven; less diplomatically clumsy and inept.'

He also says that he doesn't think Trump's White House will 'ever look competent'.

In reference to Trump's ability to shrug off controversies in a life which has been 'mired in scandal', he says that the President may nonetheless 'emerge from the flames, battered but intact, like [Arnold] Schwarzenegger in the final scenes of The Terminator'.

He warns senior politicians in London: 'Do not write him off.'

The leak is embarrassingly timed for the British Government, coming just weeks after the Queen welcomed Trump and his family with a 41-gun salute and a State banquet at Buckingham Palace as part of a diplomatic drive to secure a post-Brexit free-trade deal.

In a memo sent after the visit, Sir Kim warned that while Trump and his team had been 'dazzled' by the visit, and the UK might be 'flavour of the month', Trump's White House remained self-interested: 'This is still the land of America First'.

The Washington Files span the period from 2017 to the present, covering everything from Trump's policy in the Middle East to his 2020 re-election plans.

One account of a Trump rally says that there is a 'credible path' for Trump to win a second term in the White House – but describes the crowd as 'almost exclusively white'.

In what is likely to be regarded as a patronising passage in the cache, officials in London are told that in order to deal with Trump effectively 'you need to make your points simple, even blunt'.

The most incendiary paper is a letter to National Security Adviser Sir Mark Sedwill sent on June 22, 2017 – 150 days into the Trump administration – and copied to what Sir Kim describes as a 'strictly limited' number of senior figures in Downing Street and the Foreign Office.

The document, sent ahead of a National Security Council discussion on the UK-US relationship, paints a damning picture of the President's personality and leadership style.

It says media reports of 'vicious infighting and chaos' inside the White House – dismissed by Trump as 'fake news' – are 'mostly true'.

And referring to allegations of collusion between the Trump camp and Russia – since largely disproved – the memo says: 'The worst cannot be ruled out.'

The cache also includes diplomatic telegrams – known as 'DipTel' in Foreign Office jargon – updating Downing Street on political events in the US and providing commentary on Trump's foreign policy decisions.

They reveal details of highly sensitive negotiations over efforts to curb Iran's nuclear weapons programme, as well as the disarray surrounding the President's handling of recent attacks on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz.

One memo, sent by Sir Kim on June 22, refers to 'incoherent, chaotic' US-Iran policy, adding: 'Its unlikely that US policy on Iran is going to become more coherent any time soon. This is a divided Administration'.

He questioned Trump's recent claim that he aborted a missile strike on Iran because it would have caused a predicted 150 casualties, saying it 'doesn't stand up'.

'It's more likely that he was never fully on board and that he was worried about how this apparent reversal of his 2016 campaign promises would look come 2020' – at the next Presidential election.

Another memo, sent on June 10, warns of tensions ahead over Brexit: 'As we advance our agenda of deepening and strengthening trading arrangements, divergences of approach on climate change, media freedoms and the death penalty may come to the fore.'

More at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7220335/Britains-man-says-Trump-inept-Cables-ambassador-say-dysfunctional.html

:hehe::hehe:

Ammi
07-07-2019, 06:28 AM
...did the Trump get the memo..?...

arista
07-07-2019, 06:35 AM
...did the Trump get the memo..?...



No he is in bed

Ammi
07-07-2019, 06:38 AM
...inept, insecure, incompetent and inbed...?...

arista
07-07-2019, 06:45 AM
...inept, insecure, incompetent and inbed...?...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-2iGyNXoAAvj3F.jpg

Ammi
07-07-2019, 06:51 AM
...obviously we didn’t know it until ‘our man in the US’ told us...as if we could have missed that, who would have thought...

...adorable Archie on the front page...:lovedup:..

arista
07-07-2019, 07:14 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-2qmvNXsAAdSxJ.jpg
Sir Kim Darroch
who has said all this.

arista
07-07-2019, 08:52 AM
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Withano
07-07-2019, 09:44 AM
...inept, insecure, incompetent and inbed...?...

Haa

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 10:01 AM
Sir Kim didn't lie :laugh:

user104658
07-07-2019, 10:50 AM
WHAT???!?!?

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 10:53 AM
The commenters in DM are not convinced and blame the ambassador :hehe:

user104658
07-07-2019, 10:58 AM
The commenters in DM are not convinced and blame the ambassador :hehe:It's Feke Nooz

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 11:01 AM
It's Feke Nooz

Indeed

They bleat about how refreshing trump is etc etc :laugh:

Oliver_W
07-07-2019, 11:10 AM
This is interesting, no-one has ever criticised Trump before so thankfully this is full of substance and elucidation; we should take it very serious.

arista
07-07-2019, 11:42 AM
This is interesting, no-one has ever criticised Trump before so thankfully this is full of substance and elucidation; we should take it very serious.


He knows when Johnson
becomes New PM on 23 of this month
his job is Gone

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 01:35 PM
He knows when Johnson
becomes New PM on 23 of this month
his job is Gone

The new ambassador will be reporting the same. That's what they paid for, telling as it is.

Shaun
07-07-2019, 01:50 PM
This is interesting, no-one has ever criticised Trump before so thankfully this is full of substance and elucidation; we should take it very serious.

Weird sarcastic note to take when it's from the mouth of a literal ambassador but OK

arista
07-07-2019, 01:52 PM
The new ambassador will be reporting the same. That's what they paid for, telling as it is.

But he will be Pro Trump
Pro Johnson.
Big difference

Tom4784
07-07-2019, 02:05 PM
Nothing we don't already know. The stupid ****er thinks that there were airports in the 1700's.

He is destined to be remembered as one of the most incompetent and worst presidents in US history.

bots
07-07-2019, 02:19 PM
But he will be Pro Trump
Pro Johnson.
Big difference

that's not how the diplomatic service works. They are there to report the FACTS

arista
07-07-2019, 02:29 PM
that's not how the diplomatic service works. They are there to report the FACTS


This Fella Knows his job is gone
New PM 23rd of this month
so he does not care.

The Next fella
will not be so stupid

Oliver_W
07-07-2019, 02:33 PM
Nothing we don't already know. The stupid ****er thinks that there were airports in the 1700's.

Oh come on, surely even you can't possibly believe he actually thinks that :joker:

He was clearly squinting and staring off at nothing, probably trying to read an autocue through the rain. He probably misread or couldn't see it clearly.

But I guess it's another flub for people to mock for weeks on end to make themselves feel clever :)

bots
07-07-2019, 02:36 PM
This Fella Knows his job is gone
New PM 23rd of this month
so he does not care.

The Next fella
will not be so stupid

but the leaked reports go back to the beginning of Trump's presidency, he has been reporting facts all that time. That's what he is paid to do. So it has nothing to do with change of Tory leader.

bots
07-07-2019, 02:38 PM
Oh come on, surely even you can't possibly believe he actually thinks that :joker:

He was clearly squinting and staring off at nothing, probably trying to read an autocue through the rain. He probably misread or couldn't see it clearly.

But I guess it's another flub for people to mock for weeks on end to make themselves feel clever :)

If it were a one off, that could be considered an excuse, but it's not, he makes similar ludicrous statements all the time.

Oliver_W
07-07-2019, 02:40 PM
If it were a one off, that could be considered an excuse, but it's not, he makes similar ludicrous statements all the time.

Nothing quite as ridiculous as that though :joker:

arista
07-07-2019, 03:30 PM
but the leaked reports go back to the beginning of Trump's presidency, he has been reporting facts all that time. That's what he is paid to do. So it has nothing to do with change of Tory leader.


It has a Great Deal
with the New PM,
as the Next in the Job
Will not make rude comments.

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 04:19 PM
Nothing quite as ridiculous as that though :joker:

He claimed his own father was born in Germany. Twice.
In fact he was born in the US.

The list of his lies stretches to over 1000. All logged and verified by the Washington Post

bots
07-07-2019, 04:38 PM
there are rumours going around that it was a stitch up to get Farage in the job

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 04:42 PM
there are rumours going around that it was a stitch up to get Farage in the job

The DM journalist who authored the piece is his pal

GiRTh
07-07-2019, 04:42 PM
Nothing quite as ridiculous as that though :joker:Its one of many.

Donald Trump Quotes The Outrageous and the Ridiculous (https://www.liveabout.com/donald-trump-quotes-2733859)

JoshBB
07-07-2019, 06:24 PM
I meannnnn did he lie

Tom4784
07-07-2019, 06:54 PM
Trump's downfall is coming, especially with Jeffrey Epstein's arrest. It's been too long in the making but maybe there's hope of Trump's rape victims getting the justice they're deserved.

Oliver_W
07-07-2019, 07:04 PM
Trump's downfall is coming, especially with Jeffrey Epstein's arrest. It's been too long in the making but maybe there's hope of Trump's rape victims getting the justice they're deserved.

Alleged*

Tom4784
07-07-2019, 07:10 PM
Alleged*

You should do some research into the story, it's difficult to read and even more difficult to doubt especially considering how much it lines up with all the other **** around Trump as well. He raped a thirteen year old girl with Jeffrey Epstein, he raped his ex-wife and he has a list of women who have put forth their stories against him and most of all, we have his words that detail how he thinks he can grab women because of who he is.

Let's not defend a child rapist because he happens to align with you politically, shall we?

Oliver_W
07-07-2019, 07:16 PM
You should do some research into the story, it's difficult to read and even more difficult to doubt especially considering how much it lines up with all the other **** around Trump as well. He raped a thirteen year old girl with Jeffrey Epstein, he raped his ex-wife and he has a list of women who have put forth their stories against him and most of all, we have his words that detail how he thinks he can grab women because of who he is.

Let's not defend a child rapist because he happens to align with you politically, shall we?

Someone who looked into the case doubts the 13 year old even exists (https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/the-day-after-my-interview-baer-forwarded-me-a-letter-johnson-looked-to-have-written-that-day/15), so let's not jump the gun.

Tom4784
07-07-2019, 07:24 PM
Someone who looked into the case doubts the 13 year old even exists (https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/the-day-after-my-interview-baer-forwarded-me-a-letter-johnson-looked-to-have-written-that-day/15), so let's not jump the gun.

That is a nothing article. A victim wants to remain anonymous because she's accusing the president and this is cause to doubt her when her story and the facts line up? How long did you have to google to find such an article, I wonder?

Trump is a rapist, even if the conspiracy theories around Jane Doe are true, he still raped Ivana Trump and he still has victims in his wake crying out for justice.

Oliver_W
07-07-2019, 07:32 PM
Who knows for sure? A guilty verdict is the only thing which will keep him out of the White House until 2024, so it's obviously gonna be the drum his detractors keep banging, no matter how much truth there is in it.

Twosugars
07-07-2019, 11:16 PM
It was amusing to hear Hunt throwing the ambassador under the bus and kissing the giant orange arsehole. We're fast becoming a vasal state of america. Getting back control? More like handing it over to the orange moron.

arista
09-07-2019, 07:43 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D---h2SXoAA900p.jpg


Today's Times



https://news.sky.com/story/what-a-mess-trump-attacks-theresa-mays-handling-of-brexit-11759207
The Current PM's word
is not valid, she is gone by couple of weeks

arista
09-07-2019, 07:57 AM
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/z3GrUZwSBERfyCn_y6Wfhw/https/media.fyre.co/k06FqqEnSo2CPA6YFxvu_0907%20Metro.JPG

Twosugars
09-07-2019, 12:53 PM
New tweets from trump calling Darroch a very stupid man and talking about theresa's foolish ways. And boasting about America's military and economy :laugh:

Nicky91
09-07-2019, 12:56 PM
New tweets from trump calling Darroch a very stupid man and talking about theresa's foolish ways. And boasting about America's military and economy :laugh:

1148559443845668864

you're right, LMAO i can see a deal between USA and UK after that ''no deal brexit'' not happening, since what america to gain, if they already doing well economy, military wise

i doubt they want the UK's problems on their shoulders

user104658
09-07-2019, 01:14 PM
He "refuses to deal with" anyone who has any criticism of him. Honestly, at this point, we're just lucky that the US does have some very robust basic laws woven into their political and legal system, because Trump would LOVE to be a classic dictator. Thankfully - whilst somewhat powerful - the POTUS doesn't have that sort of unilateral control or the world would be in real trouble.

Northern Monkey
09-07-2019, 01:18 PM
A British ambassador that’s worse at diplomacy than Boris Johnson.Who’d have thunk it.

user104658
09-07-2019, 01:31 PM
A British ambassador that’s worse at diplomacy than Boris Johnson.Who’d have thunk it.

Sounds like he was just being honest - it's not like he said these things publicly, the communications were leaked.

Twosugars
09-07-2019, 01:46 PM
A British ambassador that’s worse at diplomacy than Boris Johnson.Who’d have thunk it.

That's just silly. He's meant to be honest in private.
You forgot the stuff Americans were saying when their diplomatic cables were leaked few years ago?

Tom4784
09-07-2019, 02:03 PM
It's funny how much of a snowflake Trump is given how much the right like to sling that term around. Their king is fragile af.

Oliver_W
09-07-2019, 03:39 PM
Trump's being a bit thin-skinned there, but Sir Kim was being rather unprofessional and undiplomatic.

Liam-
09-07-2019, 03:43 PM
Trump's being a bit thin-skinned there, but Sir Kim was being rather unprofessional and undiplomatic.

He was making private notes and judgement of the President and reporting back to his bosses, that’s what he’s supposed to do, the only one being unprofessional is the one who leaked it.

bots
09-07-2019, 06:10 PM
1148626614479130625

1148626829684744192

arista
09-07-2019, 06:15 PM
The Next PM
Johnson will change the Ambassador

Liam-
09-07-2019, 06:17 PM
The Next PM
Johnson will change the Ambassador

Of course he will, he’ll do anything to be in Trump’s pocket

Twosugars
09-07-2019, 06:30 PM
Of course he will, he’ll do anything to be in Trump’s pocket

Pocket? He will be so far up his arse he'll see daylight when trump opens his mouth

How low this country has fallen

Liam-
09-07-2019, 06:35 PM
Pocket? He will be so far up his arse he'll see daylight when trump opens his mouth

How low this country has fallen

Right? It’s one thing being America’s allies, but Johnson will turn us into their bitch

Kizzy
09-07-2019, 07:21 PM
Not surprised to see isabelle oakeshott is up to her neck in this...

Livia
10-07-2019, 09:32 AM
Maggie was Reagan's poodle.
Tony Blair was Bush's poodle.
I see no reason why detractors won't say that whoever takes over as PM is Trump's poodle. It's tiresomely predictable.

bots
10-07-2019, 11:22 AM
if anything, reagan was the poodle, it certainly wasn't reagan in charge

arista
10-07-2019, 11:28 AM
Good
Darroch Resigns


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-kim-darroch-quits-as-uk-ambassador-to-us-amid-memos-row-11760290

arista
10-07-2019, 11:36 AM
https://e3.365dm.com/19/07/768x432/skynews-donald-trump-sir-kim-darroch_4712436.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190708080600

bots
10-07-2019, 11:40 AM
Good
Darroch Resigns


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-kim-darroch-quits-as-uk-ambassador-to-us-amid-memos-row-11760290

not good at all, and the person who leaked the documents should be on trial for treason

arista
10-07-2019, 11:45 AM
not good at all, and the person who leaked the documents should be on trial for treason



Rubbish its Great News
He was unable to do his job.


The Leak , sure wrong
but his words destroyed his job.

Liam-
10-07-2019, 11:47 AM
It’s great news that a man just doing his job, has lost his job because someone leaked documents not meant for public viewing, then was bullied by Trump because his feelings were hurt? Your bias is showing Arista.

This is a travesty, whoever leaked the documents needs to be held accountable and punished appropriately.

bots
10-07-2019, 11:48 AM
Rubbish its Great News
He was unable to do his job.


The Leak , sure wrong
but his words destroyed his job.

you clearly don't understand what job he was doing and are letting your infatuation with trump and boris cloud your judgement

arista
10-07-2019, 11:59 AM
you clearly don't understand what job he was doing and are letting your infatuation with trump and boris cloud your judgement


Bollocks
I fully understand his job.

But as he got Leaked
his job was cancelled
The President made sure he
could not attend anything.


He did the right thing
and Resigned.

Saving Johnson
the next PM from sacking him.

Liam-
10-07-2019, 12:02 PM
The leak was most definitely an inside job to get rid of him to get someone in who’d be more pro-Johnson, pro-Trump and pro-Brexit, absolute travesty that it’s worked too, this country is going to **** for the sake of the Trumps

arista
10-07-2019, 12:04 PM
1148910732744036354


1148909788899794945

Liam-
10-07-2019, 12:05 PM
1148910732744036354




Ah and looky here

Kazanne
10-07-2019, 12:20 PM
People are funny, a few weeks ago they were agreeing with Trump that TM did a bad job on Brexit , and now he has put it out there ,Oh ,how very dare he:laugh::laugh:

Twosugars
10-07-2019, 01:00 PM
People are funny, a few weeks ago they were agreeing with Trump that TM did a bad job on Brexit , and now he has put it out there ,Oh ,how very dare he:laugh::laugh:

Is that all you took from this affair? :laugh3:

Northern Monkey
10-07-2019, 01:17 PM
The leak was most definitely an inside job to get rid of him to get someone in who’d be more pro-Johnson, pro-Trump and pro-Brexit, absolute travesty that it’s worked too, this country is going to **** for the sake of the Trumps

Either that or,
This goes beyond Brexit and is more aimed at Trumps presidency and trying to expose him or give the Dems more ammo.
This Darroch may just be the fall guy.
Somebody might have paid money for these leaked cables.

Oliver_W
10-07-2019, 02:56 PM
Either that or,
This goes beyond Brexit and is more aimed at Trumps presidency and trying to expose him or give the Dems more ammo.
This Darroch may just be the fall guy.
Somebody might have paid money for these leaked cables.

There was no real ammo in there though. There was more complaining about how Trump is incompetent and a big baby, but nothing substantive the Dems could use.

Whoever leaked ti should be dragged across the coals instead of Sir Tim taking the fall.

Northern Monkey
10-07-2019, 03:23 PM
There was no real ammo in there though. There was more complaining about how Trump is incompetent and a big baby, but nothing substantive the Dems could use.

Whoever leaked ti should be dragged across the coals instead of Sir Tim taking the fall.

True but it could be a kind of ‘look,The Brits even think you’re **** too’.

I don’t think the ambassador was the target.Only because he’s apparently retiring at Christmas anyway.Plus if a new PM wanted to get a new ambassador then they really would’nt need to go to all that trouble.

Kizzy
10-07-2019, 03:52 PM
We all know I love a good conspiracy. .. this has far right written all over it. The fact it was leaked, who it was leaked to, who reported it.

Tom4784
10-07-2019, 04:00 PM
We all know I love a good conspiracy. .. this has far right written all over it. The fact it was leaked, who it was leaked to, who reported it.

Of course, it's underhanded and cheap and it stinks of the brexteering tactics. They've moved on from lying on the side of buses to risking international incidents just to get someone in who will be Pro-Trump. EU is bad but gagging on Trump's chode is perfectly fine.

Oliver_W
10-07-2019, 04:04 PM
Of course, it's underhanded and cheap and it stinks of the brexteering tactics. They've moved on from lying on the side of buses to risking international incidents just to get someone in who will be Pro-Trump. EU is bad but gagging on Trump's chode is perfectly fine.

Oh yeah I forgot that ambassadors the the USA have full control over the UK's departure of a trade partnership in Europe.

bots
10-07-2019, 04:16 PM
it was most probably Aaron Banks that leaked it to the press and he was probably fed the information by a tory MP. Banks is a good chum of Farage .... so it was most probably a brexit led leak, backed up by Boris not supporting the diplomat. Why they decided to do it remains to be seen, but I hope it doesn't get brushed under the carpet.

Tom4784
10-07-2019, 04:20 PM
Oh yeah I forgot that ambassadors the the USA have full control over the UK's departure of a trade partnership in Europe.

Read what I said again, nothing you said here in a failed attempt to clap back really applies to what I'm saying.

Also don't be obtuse in not seeing the benefit for brexiteers in having an ambassador favourable to brexit and Trump in the US.

Twosugars
10-07-2019, 04:41 PM
Of course, it's underhanded and cheap and it stinks of the brexteering tactics. They've moved on from lying on the side of buses to risking international incidents just to get someone in who will be Pro-Trump. EU is bad but gagging on Trump's chode is perfectly fine.

:clap1:

arista
10-07-2019, 11:19 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_JGFHpW4AAM91Z.jpg

Twosugars
11-07-2019, 12:06 AM
Preferably someone with a long tongue, to better lick that giant orange arsehole