Alan Turing is the face on the New Plastic £50 note out in a few years

[arista]

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https://news.sky.com/story/alan-turing-wwii-codebreaker-revealed-as-new-face-of-50-note-11763499


Due at the End of 2021

https://e3.365dm.com/19/07/768x432/skynews-alan-turing_4718790.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190715105510

[Liam-]

Here for this, the bigots will fume!

[Samm]

:love:

[Ammi]

...just brilliant really...:lovedup:..

[arista]

It will also have a Holgram on it,
The Power of a Plastic £50 note in 2021

[Ammi]

...obviously after Brexit, the average monthly salary will go down to around £49.99p a month ...:laugh:...but well...we’ll dream of those pretty notes...

[Shaun]

Has the £20 one been announced yet?

Great choice for the 50. :love:

[Ammi]

...fingers crossed Shaun...


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[arista]

Has the £20 one been announced yet?

Great choice for the 50. :love:


No not yet
and good point as that comes next year.

[arista]

...obviously after Brexit, the average monthly salary will go down to around £49.99p a month ...:laugh:...but well...we’ll dream of those pretty notes...


But I can walk to your House with a Case
(handcuffed)
of New £50notes
and buy your house

[Ammi]

But I can walk to your House with a Case
(handcuffed)
of New £50notes
and buy your house

...or just hand me the case would be lovely actually, thank you Arista...I knew you would save us all, you’re my hero..:lovedup:...

[Beso]

Should have been hawkins

[Livia]

It's about time Turing got some recognition. What he was put through because of his sexuality, after what he did for this country during the war was truly reprehensible. And also, let's put a statue of him on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar Square, lose the endless rotation of modern art and put a real hero on it.

[smudgie]

Perfect choice.
He was a true hero, and the way he was treated was disgusting.

[Shaun]

...fingers crossed Shaun...


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let's hope we don't have to wait five years :fc:

[Shaun]

Should have been hawkins

As great as Hawking (I assume you mean Stephen) was, he was much less of a man who provided service to his country than Turing so it makes sense from a "patriotic hero" standpoint.

I've just seen that the person chosen for the £20 note is JMW Turner. Interesting... bit leftfield, though.

[Cal.]

:love:

[Twosugars]

Gay icon, great news

[Tom4784]

Turing is a hero whose treatment at the hands of our country is a dark stain upon our history. If it weren't for Alan Turing, the world we live in could be very different and we drove him to suicide after he served his country because of who he loved.

I don't think anything will ever undo the damage what was done but this is a nice tribute, it's just a shame he never got the chance to see his redemption come to fruition.

[Twosugars]

Turing is a hero whose treatment at the hands of our country is a dark stain upon our history. If it weren't for Alan Turing, the world we live in could be very different and we drove him to suicide after he served his country because of who he loved.

I don't think anything will ever undo the damage what was done but this is a nice tribute, it's just a shame he never got the chance to see his redemption come to fruition.

Gay veterans and ex POWs were prevented from taking part in official commemoration parades well into the 80s.

[Livia]

Gay people weren't allowed to be in the army well into the eighties. Back then you had to sign to say that you understood it was unacceptable to be gay in the armed forces and you would thrown out if it was found you were gay. Women also had to sign a piece of paper to say that if they got pregnant they understood they would be required to leave immediately. Things have changed, thank God.

[Beso]

Gay veterans and ex POWs were prevented from taking part in official commemoration parades well into the 80s.

Are you sure.:shrug:

[Tom4784]

Gay veterans and ex POWs were prevented from taking part in official commemoration parades well into the 80s.

Also a dark stain on our history.

[Twosugars]

Are you sure.:shrug:

Go read about it, I have.

[Livia]

Are you sure.:shrug:

Gays weren't allowed to serve openly until 2000. This was after a couple of ex-forces gay people - a man and a woman - were thrown out for being gay and Stonewall took up their case. Only then really, did things start to change. So gay people wouldn't have been invited to any official commemorations or parades in the 80s anyway.

[Livia]

Go read about it, I have.

I'd be interested to look at this, do you have a link?

[Twosugars]

Gay people weren't allowed to be in the army well into the eighties. Back then you had to sign to say that you understood it was unacceptable to be gay in the armed forces and you would thrown out if it was found you were gay. Women also had to sign a piece of paper to say that if they got pregnant they understood they would be required to leave immediately. Things have changed, thank God.

They have. Although there was a survey lately showing acceptance towards lgbt actually going down. Worth watching

Not allowing gay ex concentration camps prisoners to parade with others was a low and mean blow

[Livia]

They have. Although there was a survey lately showing acceptance towards lgbt actually going down. Worth watching

Not allowing gay ex concentration camps prisoners to parade with others was a low and mean blow

Yes, that was a low blow, but attitudes have changes since the 80s.

My Dad was a soldier back in the 80s. There was a lad in his battalion who was gay. Everyone knew, not many cared, but it was a deathly secret because if it had got out, he would have been thrown out.

I wish Turing could have somehow known how future generations would see him.

[Beso]

Go read about it, I have.

Ive tried looking...I believe the gay part...but ex POWs? ..I can't find anything about it.

[Twosugars]

This is as late as 1997 when they were still not allowed to parade with others.
When I have more time I'll find the link I saw last year

http://outrage.org.uk/1997/11/queer-remembrance-day/


Nearly 300 lesbians and gay men attended a Ceremony of Remembance at the national war memorial, the Cenotaph, in London, on Sunday, 2nd. November. They were commemorating lesbian, gay, and bisexual people who died fighting Nazism and who perished in the concentration camps.

The ceremony was organised by OutRage!, who declared Sunday, 2nd. November “Queer Remembrance Day”.

The keynote speaker was 74-year-old Sharley McLean, a lesbian who fled to Britain as a refugee from Nazi Germany in 1939. Her gay uncle, Kurt Bach, was arrested by the Gestapo in a gay bar in Berlin in 1937, and died in Sachsenhausen concentration camp.

After the speeches, there was a minute’s silence. Then dozens of pink wreaths and bouquets were laid on the Cenotaph.

The commemoration was denounced by the ex-services association, the British Legion, as “distasteful” and “offensive”, and “bound to offend many former soldiers”.

Gay war veterans are never acknowledged by the ex-services association or by the official state-sponsored Remembrance Day ceremony. At least 250,000 gay people served in the British Armed Forces during 1939-45. The current ban on homosexuals in the military is an insult to their service and sacrifice.

The huge media coverage of Queer Remembrance Day has raised awareness about the contribution of lesbian and gay service personnel to the defeat of Nazism, and about the queer holocaust that has been suppressed by revisionist historians.

Coinciding with a campaign by the German SPD and Green parties, OutRage! has written to Chancellor Helmut Kohl, urging him to:

Apologise for the Nazi persecution of gay people
— successive German governments have always refused to apologise
Compensate gay holocaust survivors
— gays are denied compensation on the grounds that they were ‘common criminals’
Remedy the deficit in gay survivors’ pensions
— the service of SS guards is added to their pension entitlement; but the years spent in the camps by gays is dededucted from their pensions
Put on trial the Nazi doctors who were involved in barbaric experiments on gay concentration-camp prisoners

[Denver]

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

[Beso]

Got anything on ex POWs not being allowed to take part in these memorial parades?

[Twosugars]

Got anything on ex POWs not being allowed to take part in these memorial parades?

“Until the mid-1980s, it was forbidden to lay a pink triangle wreath at the Cenotaph in remembrance of the LGBT victims of fascism and of LGBT service personnel who fought to defeat Nazism. The wreaths we laid were swiftly removed. She helped me and others overturn the wreath ban.
“Prior to the late 1990s, the Royal British Legion refused to acknowledge that LGBT people has served and died in the armed forces. It would not allow a LGBT war veterans contingent to march in the official Remembrance Day parade.
https://lgbthistorymonth.org.uk/sharley-maclean-1923-2013/

if you want more, do you own research, I have no time to post more links for you

[Twosugars]

Turing was a tragic figure. Persecuted for homosexuality after the war, chemically castrated and refused security clearance and dropped by the government.
Eventually committed suicide.

Arguably his work might have saved the most lives ever saved by an individual.

[Twosugars]

Ive tried looking...I believe the gay part...but ex POWs? ..I can't find anything about it.

use logic, if gay veteran soldiers were banned from marching how POWs would be allowed since they were veteran soldiers that got captured?

[Beso]

use logic, if gay veteran soldiers were banned from marching how POWs would be allowed since they were veteran soldiers that got captured?

I'm confused!!

You said ex POWs were not allowed to March or attend these ceremonies prior to sometime in the 80s....I don't believe that at all...I've looked for news on it but like it said I can't see anything so I'm asking for clarification now as to who or what you meant!

[Twosugars]

I'm confused!!

You said ex POWs were not allowed to March or attend these ceremonies prior to sometime in the 80s....I don't believe that at all...I've looked for news on it but like it said I can't see anything so I'm asking for clarification now as to who or what you meant!

No gays were allowed in official parades commemorating the wars
What's not to understand?
I dont believe you're confused

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/nov/13/juliahartleybrewer

Gays plan 'queer' Cenotaph tribute
Julia Hartley-Brewer

Sat 13 Nov 1999 02.17 GMT

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Gay campaigners protesting on behalf of the "forgotten" homosexual war dead will join former servicemen and women at the Cenotaph for the Remembrance Day service tomorrow.
Homosexual veterans and activists for gay and lesbian rights yesterday condemned the Royal British Legion as "homophobic", claiming the veterans' organisation has refused to acknowledge the sacrifices made by gay people during the second world war.

They plan to follow the main ceremony and two minutes' silence with a special "queer remembrance day" service, with gay campaigners marching directly behind war veterans laying wreaths of poppies at the Cenotaph, but instead holding pink flags and laying pink triangle wreaths before observing another minute's silence.

Peter Tatchell, the Outrage campaigner, who will join the ceremony, accused the British Legion of excluding the partners of gay war veterans from the official Remembrance Sunday parade, while welcoming the widows and widowers of heterosexuals in military service.

He said: "The Royal British Legion refuses to acknowledge that an estimated 500,000 lesbian, gay and bisexual people served in the armed forces during the second world war. Accounting for about 10% of enlisted strength, queer military personnel made a significant but still unrecognised contribution to the defeat of Hitlerism."

During the gay service, a short oration will be delivered by Ray Harvey-Amer, 64, a homosexual veteran who served as a nurse in the Royal Navy from 1957. He said: "There were a lot of gay men and lesbians who did a very good job of fighting the Nazis but were terrified to be out and proud about their sexuality."

The service was arranged after an approach to Outrage by the partner of a gay serviceman who had recently died, who claimed the British Legion told him he could not join the widows and widowers on the parade past the Cenotaph because same-sex partners were not recognised.

The legion denied homophobia. Retired Lieutenant Colonel Bobby Hanscomb, assistant secretary, said: "There isn't a policy. We have never excluded anybody from the service as it is a national event representing everybody."

He added: "I don't think it is right to make a political point at a ceremony to mark the deaths of 1.7m people. We are just anxious the dignity and solemnity of the occasion will be given proper regard."

https://uk.lush.com/article/qa-peter-tatchell

During the 1980s you battled to allow pink triangle wreaths to be placed outside The Cenotaph War Memorial at Whitehall, can you tell us a little bit about the history of the pink triangle and what it represents?


Until the mid-1980s there was an unofficial ban on the laying of pink triangle wreaths at Britain’s main war memorial The Cenotaph. For many years, we had laid wreaths but they had always been removed within a few hours. The Royal British Legion denounced pink triangle wreaths as an insult to the war dead. It refused to allow a gay veterans contingent to march in Remembrance Day parades. It was only in 1985, on the 40th anniversary of VE day, that the government finally relented and allowed us to lay pink triangle wreaths

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/C39E/production/_117687005_whatsubject.jpg


[The design of the Bank of England's new £50 note,
featuring the computer pioneer and
codebreaker Alan Turing, has been revealed.
The banknote will enter circulation on 23 June,
which would have been the mathematician's birthday.
It will be the last of the Bank's collection to switch
from paper to polymer. In keeping with
Alan Turing's work, the set is its most secure yet.

Old paper £50 notes will still be accepted in shops for some time.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56503741

[arista]

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?


I do on Big Contracts

[Cherie]

I do on Big Contracts

Not seen one for a while, send me one Arista

[user104658]

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years? :think:

[user104658]

As nice as it is who even uses 50 notes?

Bookies and mid-range (£300 - £1000 per bet) gamblers. I had a Chinese customer who would ONLY bet with £50 notes, because "red is lucky".

[Cherie]

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years? :think:

Never even thought of that :worry:

[user104658]

Never even thought of that :worry:

Yeah The Queen has been around so long that not many people now will remember any note that didn't have Queen Liz 2 on it, so I think we all just... think of that as being "what money looks like" and forget that it'll change :omgno:.

[arista]

Bookies and mid-range (£300 - £1000 per bet) gamblers. I had a Chinese customer who would ONLY bet with £50 notes, because "red is lucky".


Lucky Red.

[MTVN]

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless

[Marsh.]

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king

Probably longer than his potential reign.

[Niamh.]

Know what's going to be really weird? Charles' big ol' mug on banknotes. We're all likely to live to see King William banknotes too - although maybe banknotes won't exist at all in 20 years? :think:

Do you think Charles will get a go? I could almost see the Queen out living him :laugh:

Great news for Alan Turing just a shame he was treated so horribly while he was alive though

[arista]

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashless


You may be.


Millions will Not.

[user104658]

Do you think Charles will get a go? I could almost see the Queen out living him :laugh:

Great news for Alan Turing just a shame he was treated so horribly while he was alive though

Probably, but by the time they print his notes they'll be like "Oh ffs, reset the printers for William..." :laugh:

[James]

Wonder how long it'd actually take for Charles to start appearing on notes and coins after becoming king, I guess the Queens currency would still be dominant for a long time. Something like the £50 note and 1p/2p coins I doubt they'd bother redesigning at all as both would be the first currency to be phased out if we were moving cashlessI'm pretty sure we used pre-decimal coins like the shilling for years after decimalisation in 1971.

[James]

I'm pretty sure we used pre-decimal coins like the shilling for years after decimalisation in 1971.The*pre-decimal*sixpence, shilling and two shilling*coins, which had continued to circulate alongside the*decimal coinage*with values of ​2*1⁄2p, 5p and 10p respectively,*were*finally withdrawn in 1980, 1990 and 1993 respectively.

From Google.

[user104658]

My gran had a massive jar of 1/2 penny coins that she'd been saving up for decades, went right back to WW2 era. I used to play with them as a kid because by that time they were worthless :joker:.

Although they seem to sell for 50p - £1 each on eBay now :oh: ... there were hundreds if not thousands of them in that jar! God knows what happened to it.

[bots]

I'm pretty sure we used pre-decimal coins like the shilling for years after decimalisation in 1971.

we did indeed, the shilling was just equivalent to 5 pence and the same applied for all the other coins too. As I recall, nobody wanted the half penny even when it was first introduced, the old penny was much more substantial :laugh:

[James]

we did indeed, the shilling was just equivalent to 5 pence and the same applied for all the other coins too. As I recall, nobody wanted the half penny even when it was first introduced, the old penny was much more substantial [emoji23]I remember the half-pence. It was about the size of the 5 pence now.

[arista]

The New £50 note is out today.

Fantastic Cash,

[Ammi]

…good choice…:love:….I very rarely see cash notes anymore …since COVID times, many prefer card only payments and I shop mostly online anyway so cash feels a bit of a thing of past gone days….I’m emptying a money box thing for parking change atm but once that’s all gone, I’ll need to get more parking coins ….

[arista]

…good choice…:love:….I very rarely see cash notes anymore …since COVID times, many prefer card only payments and I shop mostly online anyway so cash feels a bit of a thing of past gone days….I’m emptying a money box thing for parking change atm but once that’s all gone, I’ll need to get more parking coins ….


Yes Like Greggs using Covid
to cancel Cash.

Thats so wrong,

[GoldHeart]

The New £50 note is out today.

Fantastic Cash,

I think I've only ever seen a £50 once properly up close,and weirdly it was some people trying to pay with them in a pound shop of all places :rolleyes: . The retail worker called it "monopoly money" . I think they got worried it could be counterfeit.

[Dogeatdog]

Is it mentioned when the older £50 will be phased out?

[arista]

I think I've only ever seen a £50 once properly up close,and weirdly it was some people trying to pay with them in a pound shop of all places :rolleyes: . The retail worker called it "monopoly money" . I think they got worried it could be counterfeit.



Yes Only use in Big Stores
are banks or contracts.


The Old £50 note must be changed by October 2022
after that, no longer legal,


If you have one after that,
try to change it in your bank only.

[GoldHeart]

I've never owned a £50 note lol . But anyway it's good to see Alan Turing get this bit of recognition.

[Dogeatdog]

£50’s we’re always a pain, some places didn’t accept them (which I don’t blame since from my experience working in retail, it was always common to come across fake £50’s than any other note) and you couldn’t use them at some self service machines.

[arista]

I use them alot on Contracts