Italian police seize weapons cache (including air-to-air missle) from Far Right group

[Scarlett.]

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Anti-terrorism police in northern Italy have seized an air-to-air missile and other sophisticated weapons during raids on far-right extremist groups.

Three people were arrested, two of them near Forli airport. Neo-Nazi propaganda was also seized.

The raids were part of an investigation into Italian far-right involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine, the Turin police said.

The missile originated from the Qatari armed forces, the police said.

The Turin special police force, called Digos, led the operations, assisted by police in Milan, Varese, Forli and Novara.

Italian media named those arrested as Fabio Del Bergiolo, 50, an Italian ex-customs officer and far-right Forza Nuova party activist; Alessandro Monti, 42, a Swiss national; and Fabio Bernardi, 51, also Italian.

Initially, on 15 July, the police said the arrests were part of an investigation, started about a year ago, into far-right groups "who have fought in Ukraine's Donbass region against the separatists".

But the latest police statement did not mention groups fighting the pro-Russian separatists, referring only to an investigation into Italian extremists who had "taken part in the armed conflict in Ukraine's Donbass region". The police did not make it clear which side the Italians were on in this case.

The missile appears to be a French-made Matra Super 530 F.

"During the operation, an air-to-air missile in perfect working order and used by the Qatari army was seized," police said in a statement.

Separately, a court in Genoa jailed three men on 3 July who were found guilty of fighting alongside the Russian-backed separatists, who control a large swathe of Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

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The real threat is definately those lefties and their milkshakes though

[Liam-]

Nazis having missiles in 2019 is utterly terrifying

[Beso]

Morons would be pointing it up in the sky when they are all on boats.

[Kizzy]

Where is the media frenzy around the rise of the far right?....

[Liam-]

Where is the media frenzy around the rise of the far right?....

There won’t be one, because milkshakes and socialism are the things really threatening the country!

[Beso]

Where is the media frenzy around the rise of the far right?....

Stuck in 1980 something...

The far right is well under control in the UK. .the left is beginning to run as wild as the anti jew right was back then.

Be carefull you don't pick up any left over tags cause you were around in 2019 if you reach 2050

[Beso]

There won’t be one, because milkshakes and socialism are the things really threatening the country!

So tommy robinson launches a milkshake at a radical muslim preacher violently enough to cut him because he disagrees with him and his views....wouldn't make the news?

[Kizzy]

Stuck in 1980 something...

The far right is well under control in the UK. .the left is beginning to run as wild as the anti jew right was back then.

Be carefull you don't pick up any left over tags cause you were around in 2019 if you reach 2050

:joker:

[Tom4784]

Where is the media frenzy around the rise of the far right?....

It's easier to get clicks and sell papers when you tell white people that brown people are the enemy but they get unconfortable when faced with the reality that the biggest terrorist threat to us at the moment comes from the extreme right, not evil muslims but white people with extreme versions of popular viewpoints and people don't buy into media that paints a portrait of an enemy that reminds them of themselves.

[Tom4784]

Stuck in 1980 something...

The far right is well under control in the UK. .the left is beginning to run as wild as the anti jew right was back then.

Be carefull you don't pick up any left over tags cause you were around in 2019 if you reach 2050

Tell that to Jo Cox

Hell, let's make this international and tell that to the victims of attacks on abortion clinics in the US or the victim of the Charlottesville killer. Tell it to the people who would have been killed by the weapons seized in the story above.

Right Wing extremism is a growing threat and you should be shining a light on it, denouncing it, not protecting the extreme elements because you don't want to admit your political allignment has a dark side you should want to excise, not deny it exists.

[arista]

Nazis having missiles in 2019 is utterly terrifying



If they ever got
to use them , though.


In London Bridge 2017
3 Evil Muslims killed 8
and wounded 48 with knives tapped to their arms
Well done the Police Who Shot Dead all three
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49007472

[Twosugars]

If they ever got
to use them , though.


In London Bridge 2017
3 Evil Muslims killed 8
and wounded 48 with knives tapped to their arms
Well done the Police Who Shot Dead all three
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49007472

They were Muslim far right
Their aims are not much different: supremacy, hatred and division

[Beso]

Tell that to Jo Cox

Hell, let's make this international and tell that to the victims of attacks on abortion clinics in the US or the victim of the Charlottesville killer. Tell it to the people who would have been killed by the weapons seized in the story above.

Right Wing extremism is a growing threat and you should be shining a light on it, denouncing it, not protecting the extreme elements because you don't want to admit your political allignment has a dark side you should want to excise, not deny it exists.



Left wing extremism is the only thing I see on the rise in my country. But you don't want to admit that because you have a dark side regarding your political allignement regarding Jews.

[Ammi]

...thank the Lord they were seized and never used.../...well done to the Italian securities and police force...:love:..

[Twosugars]

Left wing extremism is the only thing I see on the rise in my country. But you don't want to admit that because you have a dark side regarding your political allignement regarding Jews.


On what basis are you implying Dezzy is antisemitic? How can you do that to a member who posted many times condemning antisemitism?

[smudgie]

Such hatred in the world.
Peace on Earth ain’t happening anytime soon.
Well done to the Italian security.

[Beso]

On what basis are you implying Dezzy is antisemitic? How can you do that to a member who posted many times condemning antisemitism?

Same basis he is using to imply what I'm all about..where the outrage at that?

[Kizzy]

Except nobody has suggested there's nothing to be addressed by Labour, yet you are clearly denying that there is an expanding far right issue regardless of very clear evidence there is.

[Livia]

Left wing extremism is the only thing I see on the rise in my country. But you don't want to admit that because you have a dark side regarding your political allignement regarding Jews.

The Far Right are figures of fun in the UK. Only likeminded people could ever agree with them. This episode happened in Italy... maybe that's why the media in this country isn't covering it... Italy probably doesn't cover much stuff from the Right or the Left in the UK.

I thought the glib "the Left and their milkshakes" in the OP wasn't called for. How about daubing swastikas on synagogues, or smashing Jewish gravestones? Because the Left is endorsing that behaviour by their reluctance to deal with anti-Semitism.

[Liam-]

The Far Right are figures of fun in the UK. Only likeminded people could ever agree with them. This episode happened in Italy... maybe that's why the media in this country isn't covering it... Italy probably doesn't cover much stuff from the Right or the Left in the UK.

I thought the glib "the Left and their milkshakes" in the OP wasn't called for. How about daubing swastikas on synagogues, or smashing Jewish gravestones? Because the Left is endorsing that behaviour by their reluctance to deal with anti-Semitism.

Your ability to create false narratives is actually quite impressive at this point

[Livia]

Your ability to create false narratives is actually quite impressive at this point

Jeremy Corbyn and his party have not dealt with anti-Semitism. Consequently they're being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. This is not my narrative.

[Liam-]

Jeremy Corbyn and his party have not dealt with anti-Semitism. Consequently they're being investigated by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. This is not my narrative.

No, your narrative is that the left endorse and condone antisemitism when it’s strictly not true in the slightest.

[Tom4784]

Left wing extremism is the only thing I see on the rise in my country. But you don't want to admit that because you have a dark side regarding your political allignement regarding Jews.

I've actually said early on in that anti-semitic thread that I think those elements and the people who enforce them should be excised from Labour, I believe I might have used something akin to the phrase of 'cut out the rot'?

That's the difference between me and you, I acknowledge issues and condemn them if I oppose them regardless of politics, you only condemn such things if they come from the opposition but never from your own side.

So yeah, nice try but an utter fail. Whataboutism is not going to work here. Right wing extremism is a growing threat and by continuing to pretend it doesn't exist, the right are only letting it thrive. Acknowledge the rot and excise it, don't blame the opposing side for it. That does nothing.

[Beso]

I've actually said early on in that anti-semitic thread that I think those elements and the people who enforce them should be excised from Labour, I believe I might have used something akin to the phrase of 'cut out the rot'?

That's the difference between me and you, I acknowledge issues and condemn them if I oppose them regardless of politics, you only condemn such things if they come from the opposition but never from your own side.

So yeah, nice try but an utter fail. Whataboutism is not going to work here. Right wing extremism is a growing threat and by continuing to pretend it doesn't exist, the right are only letting it thrive. Acknowledge the rot and excise it, don't blame the opposing side for it. That does nothing.



Ive condemned plenty, you just fail to see it cause it gives you nothing to leap about with your pearls as though someone had shat under your nose with

..the side I sit on is not the right...nor indeed the left....so I'm sorry but even if you think it...it's really not an issue that interests me...we all know tommy robinson is a cock...we all know trump is a cock...we all know boris is a cock..we all know Jeremy is a cock....we all know there are right wing fascists..we all know there are left wing fascists.....but because you think I have fascist or racist views you aotomatically assume I sit on the right.....


Assume away...

[Scarlett.]

News: Police find far right with LIVE MISSILES
TiBB: But what about Corbyn?

[Livia]

News: Police find far right with LIVE MISSILES
TiBB: But what about Corbyn?

Police IN ITALY find the far right with live missiles.

[Twosugars]

News: Police find far right with LIVE MISSILES
TiBB: But what about Corbyn?

:laugh:
Priorities

[Livia]

:laugh:
Priorities

This happened in a foreign country, that's why it's not all over the news.

In the UK there are more pressing issues right now than the lunatic Right of a foreign country.

[Twosugars]

This happened in a foreign country, that's why it's not all over the news.

In the UK there are more pressing issues right now than the lunatic Right of a foreign country.

You are aware that far right is forming a pan European pact? They held a meeting in italy not long ago. I think it is relevant

[Livia]

You are aware that far right is forming a pan European pact? They held a meeting in italy not long ago. I think it is relevant

Well of course you would!

Let's talk about the Far Right in Italy so we don't have to talk about Brexit and anti-Semitism. And if someone says hey, this isn't really that relevant here, laugh at them and question their priorities.

[Twosugars]

Well of course you would!

Let's talk about the Far Right in Italy so we don't have to talk about Brexit and anti-Semitism. And if someone says hey, this isn't really that relevant here, laugh at them and question their priorities.

Are you for real? So we can only discuss one topic at the time?

[Oliver_W]

It's a bit concerning that any non-uniformed citizens managed to get hold of that, let alone them nutters....

News: Police find far right with LIVE MISSILES
TiBB: But what about Corbyn?

News: From over a thousand miles away
TiBB: What about UK?

[Twosugars]

It's a bit concerning that any non-uniformed citizens managed to get hold of that, let alone them nutters....



News: From over a thousand miles away
TiBB: What about UK?

Aren't there enough threads about UK issues? If not why don't you create more?
Why every single thread in SD has to be hijacked to discuss the same thing?

[Oliver_W]

Aren't there enough threads about UK issues? If not why don't you create more?
Why every single thread in SD has to be hijacked to discuss the same thing?

The very first post was deriding concern about assaults by the far left in order to make their point although it had nothing to do with the topic, so let's not worry about conversations wandering.

[Twosugars]

The very first post was deriding concern about assaults by the far left in order to make their point although it had nothing to do with the topic, so let's not worry about conversations wandering.

no, let's do worry
I don't want to discuss the ****ing brexit in every thread
antisemitism has its own thread which is strangely quiet today
haven't seen any new posts there by you or Livia and yet you go on about it in threads where it's offtopic :shrug:

[MTVN]

I don't think Corbyn is relevant to this thread but I also don't see why milkshakes are relevant either like the initial posts were about, hardly as if anyone would claim that milkshake throwers are worse than neo-Nazi terrorists but it also doesn't make the former right

The involvement of neo-Nazism on the pro-Government side in Ukraine is interesting though and something that never really gets talked about here

[Twosugars]

I don't think Corbyn is relevant to this thread but I also don't see why milkshakes are relevant either like the initial posts were about, hardly as if anyone would claim that milkshake throwers are worse than neo-Nazi terrorists but it also doesn't make the former right

The involvement of neo-Nazism on the pro-Government side in Ukraine is interesting though and something that never really gets talked about here
then post about it
we have a dedicated far right thread in SD, an excellent work by Slim Reaper who sadly got fed up since and is taking a long break

[Oliver_W]

then post about it
we have a dedicated far right thread in SD

Then this thread should have been part of that one.

[Twosugars]

Then this thread should have been part of that one.

no, it's a news story, the other one is for in-depth stuff

otherwise let's merge everything brexit related into the referendum thread :nono:

[Tom4784]

Ive condemned plenty, you just fail to see it cause it gives you nothing to leap about with your pearls as though someone had shat under your nose with

..the side I sit on is not the right...nor indeed the left....so I'm sorry but even if you think it...it's really not an issue that interests me...we all know tommy robinson is a cock...we all know trump is a cock...we all know boris is a cock..we all know Jeremy is a cock....we all know there are right wing fascists..we all know there are left wing fascists.....but because you think I have fascist or racist views you aotomatically assume I sit on the right.....


Assume away...

You basically responded to this thread with 'what about the left?!' You sit on the right because you are opposed to the left. When I and others brought up the fact that right wing terrorism exists, you basically refused to acknowledge it. You're just trying to backtrack without admitting you were wrong.

[Tom4784]

Police IN ITALY find the far right with live missiles.

Far right terrorists in Italy were found with missiles but that's okay since it's not here and Livia demands that we all only speak about UK issues for some reason.

[Oliver_W]

You basically responded to this thread with 'what about the left?!'
Instead of commenting on the article she posted, all the op had to say amounted to a sarcastic "lol milkshakes", which are used by the left. So the bar had already been lowered, and the left had already been brought into it.

[MTVN]

then post about it
we have a dedicated far right thread in SD, an excellent work by Slim Reaper who sadly got fed up since and is taking a long break

I did post about it just then because that's what this thread is about actually - Italian neo-Nazis and their involvement in Ukraine. No need for me to go into another thread

[Beso]

Instead of commenting on the article she posted, all the op had to say amounted to a sarcastic "lol milkshakes", which are used by the left. So the bar had already been lowered, and the left had already been brought into it.

This.

[Kizzy]

The Far Right are figures of fun in the UK. Only likeminded people could ever agree with them. This episode happened in Italy... maybe that's why the media in this country isn't covering it... Italy probably doesn't cover much stuff from the Right or the Left in the UK.

I thought the glib "the Left and their milkshakes" in the OP wasn't called for. How about daubing swastikas on synagogues, or smashing Jewish gravestones? Because the Left is endorsing that behaviour by their reluctance to deal with anti-Semitism.
Hang on, one minute your saying the far right are figures of fun in the UK then you say there are swastikas being sprayed and gravestones smashed. are you suggesting it's Labour supporters doing this and not the far right? ...

[Kizzy]

Far right terrorists in Italy were found with missiles but that's okay since it's not here and Livia demands that we all only speak about UK issues for some reason.

Are we allowed to mention the murder of Jo Cox...Or the plots to murder Rosie Cooper and Prince George I wonder. Are they deemed relevant enough?

[Livia]

I don't think Corbyn is relevant to this thread but I also don't see why milkshakes are relevant either like the initial posts were about, hardly as if anyone would claim that milkshake throwers are worse than neo-Nazi terrorists but it also doesn't make the former right

The involvement of neo-Nazism on the pro-Government side in Ukraine is interesting though and something that never really gets talked about here

You should be President of TiBB MTVN.

[Tom4784]

Instead of commenting on the article she posted, all the op had to say amounted to a sarcastic "lol milkshakes", which are used by the left. So the bar had already been lowered, and the left had already been brought into it.

More whataboutism.

[Tom4784]

The Far Right are figures of fun in the UK. Only likeminded people could ever agree with them. This episode happened in Italy... maybe that's why the media in this country isn't covering it... Italy probably doesn't cover much stuff from the Right or the Left in the UK.

I thought the glib "the Left and their milkshakes" in the OP wasn't called for. How about daubing swastikas on synagogues, or smashing Jewish gravestones? Because the Left is endorsing that behaviour by their reluctance to deal with anti-Semitism.

Oh, so it's not just Labour that hates Jews now it's everyone on the left is it? A ridiculous statement and one that tarnishes any good intentions you may have.

Stop using the threat of branding people anti-semitic if they don't agree with yours views, it's gross and it makes light of actual anti-semitism.

[Oliver_W]

More whataboutism.

The o/p was whataboutism.

[Vicky.]

Instead of commenting on the article she posted, all the op had to say amounted to a sarcastic "lol milkshakes", which are used by the left. So the bar had already been lowered, and the left had already been brought into it.

Agree with this tbh. Ridiculous opening post IMO and not really something to be laughed at either.

Yes, the far right are a huge problem..and seem to be getting worse.

[Scarlett.]

The Far Right are figures of fun in the UK.

Why the government have started issuing far right terrorism alerts then? (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/19/uk-to-start-issuing-far-right-terrorism-alerts)

Also, yeah my milkshake comment was dumb in retrospect.

[Livia]

Why the government have started issuing far right terrorism alerts then? (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/19/uk-to-start-issuing-far-right-terrorism-alerts)

Also, yeah my milkshake comment was dumb in retrospect.

The far right in the UK are a small faction, and the main instigators will be known to the police and the security services otherwise they wouldn't be issuing alerts. I am not in any way playing them down, most people surely think they're dinosaurs, trying to hang onto a society that thankfully doesn't exist anymore. And yes, they're dangerous... but I have faith in the people of the UK... the kind of people who threw Moseley and his ridiculous black shirts out of Cable street in the 1930s are the same kind of people who will not now bow white supremacists any more than they would bow to Islamic extremists.

[Twosugars]

Why the government have started issuing far right terrorism alerts then? (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/19/uk-to-start-issuing-far-right-terrorism-alerts)

Also, yeah my milkshake comment was dumb in retrospect.

Dont think it was that dumb.
It drew a comparison between lighthearted milkshake and brutality of the far right.
They dont know how to protest without brutality. And so weapons or violence from tommy and his supporters
The bottom line is a milkshake wont kill, a thrown bottle or a fist may.

[Livia]

A lighthearted milkshake LOL.... thrown to humiliate someone with whom you disagree. Let's hope everyone doesn't start finding clear cut assault "lighthearted" or acceptable.

[Twosugars]

A lighthearted milkshake LOL.... thrown to humiliate someone with whom you disagree. Let's hope everyone doesn't start finding clear cut assault "lighthearted" or acceptable.

and yet you refused to brand the carjacker killing as murder
curious take on the law :think:

you missed my point entirely btw
as unpleasant as a milkshake is I'd rather be attacked by that than by a far-right activist with bottle or his fist

[Tom4784]

The o/p was whataboutism.

Except it isn't because Dia is not trying to discredit the story by making out that the left is the same. Whataboutism is when you see an argument or story and you try to undermine it by trying to refute it by highlighting false hypocrisy without directly handling the point that's being made.

[Tom4784]

and yet you refused to brand the carjacker killing as murder
curious take on the law :think:

you missed my point entirely btw
as unpleasant as a milkshake is I'd rather be attacked by that than by a far-right activist with bottle or his fist

Or a missile...

[Twosugars]

Or a missile...
but that was in Italy don't you know :nono: ;)
the far right in the UK is well under control as some reassured as here
it doesn't matter that the police and intelligence services warn of a growing threat and of increasing sophistication of far right networks

[Northern Monkey]

I’m assuming they got these from the Ukraine.F’king maniacs.What the hell are they going to do with an air to air missile?They presumably don’t have a fighter jet to launch it from?

[Livia]

and yet you refused to brand the carjacker killing as murder
curious take on the law :think:

you missed my point entirely btw
as unpleasant as a milkshake is I'd rather be attacked by that than by a far-right activist with bottle or his fist

What the hell has that got to do with this.
I didn't miss your point, you had no point.

[Livia]

but that was in Italy don't you know :nono: ;)
the far right in the UK is well under control as some reassured as here
it doesn't matter that the police and intelligence services warn of a growing threat and of increasing sophistication of far right networks

You're not good at clever sarcasm, you come across as spiteful and childish.

[Nicky91]

why the hell Always the need to go offtopic about topics in the UK when it's not about those :bored:

[Twosugars]

You're not good at clever sarcasm, you come across as spiteful and childish.

Here's me caring what you think about me :laugh:

Btw stop going personal its against the rules

[Twosugars]

What the hell has that got to do with this.
I didn't miss your point, you had no point.

Oh I do have a point but you choose to ignore it. Out of arguments I take