Brother of Manchester Arena bomber extradited to UK

[arista]

Arrived , arrested
in court Tomorrow.


Libya sent him over to us.

https://news.sky.com/story/brother-of-manchester-arena-bomber-salman-abedi-being-extradited-to-uk-11764971

[Oliver_W]

Human garbage.

[Kazanne]

Another tosser added to the list of unwanted vermin.

[user104658]

Human garbage.

Another tosser added to the list of unwanted vermin.

Did you know that Twitter has recently announced that dehumanising comments may now be classed as hate speech? Just saying. A similar policy wouldn't go amiss on here.

Not that anyone involved in that attack isn't a detestable example of humanity, or that he shouldn't face the full force of the law if he was in any way involved.

Just that there's a very good reason to avoid the extreme rhetoric and the wider internet is thankfully starting to catch onto that.

[Ammi]

...I imagine so much work has been tirelessly done to bring him back ...and if he played a part then justice can be done, this is so important for the families and loved ones...

[Livia]

Did you know that Twitter has recently announced that dehumanising comments may now be classed as hate speech? Just saying. A similar policy wouldn't go amiss on here.

Not that anyone involved in that attack isn't a detestable example of humanity, or that he shouldn't face the full force of the law if he was in any way involved.

Just that there's a very good reason to avoid the extreme rhetoric and the wider internet is thankfully starting to catch onto that.

I would say that anyone involved in terrorism, anyone involved with bombing and killing so many young people, has kind of dehumanised himself. Who gets to decide how strong the rhetoric can be? Can we think it? Is that okay?

[bots]

i will happily call people who bomb, kill and maim young innocent people vermin every day of the week, because they have lost the right to be considered human beings

[Oliver_W]

Did you know that Twitter has recently announced that dehumanising comments may now be classed as hate speech? Just saying. A similar policy wouldn't go amiss on here.

I said he was human garbage, so if anything I humanised him :)

[Kazanne]

Did you know that Twitter has recently announced that dehumanising comments may now be classed as hate speech? Just saying. A similar policy wouldn't go amiss on here.

Not that anyone involved in that attack isn't a detestable example of humanity, or that he shouldn't face the full force of the law if he was in any way involved.

Just that there's a very good reason to avoid the extreme rhetoric and the wider internet is thankfully starting to catch onto that.

So you don't want us to call these 'people' what they are, is that it? as for Twitter :laugh: why would I care about what they say :shrug:

[user104658]

I would say that anyone involved in terrorism, anyone involved with bombing and killing so many young people, has kind of dehumanised himself. Who gets to decide how strong the rhetoric can be? Can we think it? Is that okay?You can think whatever you want. As for "who gets to decide"... That would be the owners of the platforms (so whoever owns Twitter, or Tibb, or whichever site is publishing the comments).

The reasons for not doing it have nothing to do with the rights of the individuals involved but rather, it's to stop the inevitable knock-on effect of people using dehumanising language in broad strokes.

Obviously I can't stop anyone saying whatever they want for the time being. I just hope that the major platforms at least do go ahead with banning it. Hopefully James will agree with their judgement and ban hate speech on here too.

[Amy Jade]

He's worthless, evil scum and I hope he gets battered every night in prison.

[user104658]

So you don't want us to call these 'people' what they are, is that it? as for Twitter [emoji23] why would I care about what they say :shrug:I don't think it's constructive to refer to human beings - even the awful ones - as "vermin" or "garbage", no. Obviously it's not literally what they are. What nonsense.

[hijaxers]

I don't think it's constructive to refer to human beings - even the awful ones - as "vermin" or "garbage", no. Obviously it's not literally what they are. What nonsense.

What is he then ? How would you describe this vile excuse for a human being ?

[Kazanne]

I don't think it's constructive to refer to human beings - even the awful ones - as "vermin" or "garbage", no. Obviously it's not literally what they are. What nonsense.


I wouldn't class them as human, I would class them as they are scum who should be eradicated .

[hijaxers]

He's worthless, evil scum and I hope he gets battered every night in prison.

Yes mercilessly

[Cherie]

Scum is used here on a regular basis and used to be used to describe BB housemates so very over used, it is a word I don't use lightly but scum is a very apt word on this occasion

[user104658]

I wouldn't class them as human, I would class them as they are scum who should be eradicated .

I know you would Kazanne, and that's what makes you part of the ongoing and escalating problem of vast swathes of people being degraded to less-than-human status on a daily basis without a second thought.

If he was involved then he is a criminal, a despicable person who should spend the rest of his life in prison at the very least. Disgusting? Incomprehensible? Vile? Sure. But is he human? Yes, obviously. But we should never forget that anyone is human, because it opens the door to deciding that all sorts of other people are also "less than human". Accept people referring to terrorists as "vermin" today and you leave the door wide open to the likes of Katie Hopkins referring to drowned children as "cockroaches" tomorrow. Though I'm sure there are plenty here who have no real problem with that, either :idc:.

I understand WHY people do it, and I've also been here long enough to be painfully aware that most people won't be able to comprehend my issue with it, and that I'll be accused of "sympathizing" or whatever else, but it's not going to stop me making the point :shrug:.

[Kazanne]

Scum is used here on a regular basis and used to be used to describe BB housemates so very over used, it is a word I don't use lightly but scum is a very apt word on this occasion

I agree Cherie,during the BB years housemates were called all sorts of terrible names, and they never killed anyone ,so to call these murdering terrorists scum etc, they are getting off really lightly.

[user104658]

I agree Cherie,during the BB years housemates were called all sorts of terrible names, and they never killed anyone ,so to call these murdering terrorists scum etc, they are getting off really lightly.Oh well if I had known that members were dehumanising housemates for years, of course I would have known this was acceptable too, you're right, so sorry.

[Beso]

In other news.....5 members have wished another person to die in another thread.

[Beso]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10630522&posted=1#post10630522



Just for you ts...go and rant at people who actually want someone dead.

[Beso]

Page one pal.

[Oliver_W]

I guess putting makeup on which is darker than one's own skintone is worse than getting people killed?

[Beso]

For some forum users it does look like that.

[user104658]

In other news.....5 members have wished another person to die in another thread.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10630522&posted=1#post10630522



Just for you ts...go and rant at people who actually want someone dead.

Page one pal.

I guess putting makeup on which is darker than one's own skintone is worse than getting people killed?

Is this the new trendy tactic in SD? Avoid a thread topic by making comments about something completely unrelated? :umm2:

"Well yes Trump etc etc but have you SEEN the price of Kinder Eggs these days?? And you're here kicking off about politics when there's a ROBBERY on the HIGH STREET under our very noses."

[Beso]

I don't know why you linked my posts to oliver when they were clearly directed to you ts.

[user104658]

I don't know why you linked my posts to oliver when they were clearly directed to you ts.

Because you and Oliver are both doing the same boring, daft "trick" of trying to deflect the thread onto something completely unrelated, so I directed my response at both of you.

[Beso]

Because you and Oliver are both doing the same boring, daft "trick" of trying to deflect the thread onto something completely unrelated, so I directed my response at both of you.

You brought twitter into a thread about the brother of the Manchester arena bomber....:shrug:

[Beso]

More concerned about dehumanising people who target teenagers music events...I don't get that at all...why?

[user104658]

More concerned about dehumanising people who target teenagers music events...I don't get that at all...why?

Because opening the door to dehumanising anyone at all leads to a snowball effect where all sorts of things are justified. I feel like I've been quite clear on that so I don't really feel the need to justify it further to those who don't "get it". I know a lot of people don't get it. But I also know they don't want to "get it" so there's little point trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole all day.

Twitter is relevant to this thread because Twitter - like TiBB - is a social media platform. It is looking at banning dehumanisation as hate speech. I hope TiBB follows suit. That is perfectly relevant and I again can't say it any more clearly.

"Anton off Love Island getting non-serious death threats on another random thread" has absolutely nothing at all to do with this thread... it's just a ham-fisted attempt to redirect the conversation onto something else, and that seems to be happening constantly in threads lately. Trump threads full of "Yeah well what about CORBYN!", or threads about racist Trump tweets full of "Yeah well there IS a problem at the border!".

And now I'm not supposed to comment on this thread because you think I should be over in the Love Island subforum kicking off at kids being over dramatic about a contestant? No Parm, you don't get to tell me where and when I should be posting, or what I should be posting about.

[Kazanne]

Because opening the door to dehumanising anyone at all leads to a snowball effect where all sorts of things are justified. I feel like I've been quite clear on that so I don't really feel the need to justify it further to those who don't "get it". I know a lot of people don't get it. But I also know they don't want to "get it" so there's little point trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole all day.

Twitter is relevant to this thread because Twitter - like TiBB - is a social media platform. It is looking at banning dehumanisation as hate speech. I hope TiBB follows suit. That is perfectly relevant and I again can't say it any more clearly.

"Anton off Love Island getting non-serious death threats on another random thread" has absolutely nothing at all to do with this thread... it's just a ham-fisted attempt to redirect the conversation onto something else, and that seems to be happening constantly in threads lately. Trump threads full of "Yeah well what about CORBYN!", or threads about racist Trump tweets full of "Yeah well there IS a problem at the border!".

And now I'm not supposed to comment on this thread because you think I should be over in the Love Island subforum kicking off at kids being over dramatic about a contestant? No Parm, you don't get to tell me where and when I should be posting, or what I should be posting about.

I just think if you are going to pull people up about hate speech,pull them all up.

[user104658]

I just think if you are going to pull people up about hate speech,pull them all up.

On threads that I'm not even involved in? :facepalm:

[Beso]

Because opening the door to dehumanising anyone at all leads to a snowball effect where all sorts of things are justified. I feel like I've been quite clear on that so I don't really feel the need to justify it further to those who don't "get it". I know a lot of people don't get it. But I also know they don't want to "get it" so there's little point trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole all day.

Twitter is relevant to this thread because Twitter - like TiBB - is a social media platform. It is looking at banning dehumanisation as hate speech. I hope TiBB follows suit. That is perfectly relevant and I again can't say it any more clearly.

"Anton off Love Island getting non-serious death threats on another random thread" has absolutely nothing at all to do with this thread... it's just a ham-fisted attempt to redirect the conversation onto something else, and that seems to be happening constantly in threads lately. Trump threads full of "Yeah well what about CORBYN!", or threads about racist Trump tweets full of "Yeah well there IS a problem at the border!".

And now I'm not supposed to comment on this thread because you think I should be over in the Love Island subforum kicking off at kids being over dramatic about a contestant? No Parm, you don't get to tell me where and when I should be posting, or what I should be posting about.

I get all that...and I did see your concern for the 2 posters when you posted...


Which is why I posted the other thread for you.... so you could advise the young ones a lot better than me jumping in with my size nines....but pop off.

[Kazanne]

On threads that I'm not even involved in? :facepalm:

I'm sure you have seen some before ,anyway back on topic,I have no regards or empathy that blows little kids up,imo they are scum

[Dogeatdog]

Hopefully the families of victims can finally get some justice.

[AnnieK]

I have very little feelings towards him, him and his brother mean nothing to me. If bringing him to justice brings even a little bit of solace to the families then that is the only positive thing

[Beso]

Hopefully the families of victims can finally get some justice.

I'm sure there are some members of the family wishing these men a slow and painful death....unfortunately they won't get the justice they want.

[AnnieK]

I'm sure there are some members of the family wishing these men a slow and painful death....unfortunately they won't get the justice they want.

That won't bring their loved ones back though. I've just watched our local news in Manchester and two families were on, one said it won't change anything whether he lives, dies or is brought to justice as his wife will still be dead, the other guy said to get some semblance of justice will not make him feel better per se but will give his family a small sense of relief and closure

[Beso]

That won't bring their loved ones back though. I've just watched our local news in Manchester and two families were on, one said it won't change anything whether he lives, dies or is brought to justice as his wife will still be dead, the other guy said to get some semblance of justice will not make him feel better per se but will give his family a small sense of relief and closure

Wise words.


Dare I say he has been dehumanised in the first families response.:shrug:

[Livia]

I'm sure there are some members of the family wishing these men a slow and painful death....unfortunately they won't get the justice they want.

And even some people who didn't lose anyone. My first husband died as a direct result of an attack by Islamic terrorists. And I'm supposed to worry about them being dehumanised??

I wonder whether people's attitudes might change if their own family was affected. I wonder if the focus then would be on the welfare of the murderer.

[Beso]

And even some people who didn't lose anyone. My first husband died as a direct result of an attack by Islamic terrorists. And I'm supposed to worry about them being dehumanised??

I wonder whether people's attitudes might change if their own family was affected. I wonder if the focus then would be on the welfare of the murderer.





I didn't know that about you livia, that is so heartbreaking to hear..

[Livia]

I didn't know that about you livia, that is so heartbreaking to hear..

Oh, I thought it was common knowledge. He was wounded in Afghan. Eight years ago now.