USA 'Send her back' crowd with attacks on the left wing 'The Squad'

[arista]

Please after the Last thread Got locked
no Fighting.
Talk about USA Politics , please


Also bear in mind one of those left wingers
used bad words M. F. at Trump
no need for that.

This about the Rally last night.

[Donald Trump has used an election rally to intensify his attacks on four congresswomen he described as "hate-filled extremists".
Speaking in North Carolina, Mr Trump accused Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib of "helping to fuel the rise of a dangerous, militant hard left".
Devoting 20 minutes of his 90-minute speech to the group - known as The Squad - he talked about each in turn, supported by a frenzied crowd.
At one point he was speaking about Ms Omar, who is born in Somalia but moved to the US as a child, when the crowd started to chant: "Send her back!".]

https://news.sky.com/story/send-her-back-trump-fires-up-crowd-with-attacks-on-the-squad-11765380

https://e3.365dm.com/19/07/512x512/skynews-ayanna-pressley-ilhan-omar_4719357.jpg
The Four Democrats

[Kizzy]

Whats wrong with calling him a mad fascist?...

[arista]

Whats wrong with calling him a mad fascist?...


Nothing at all.


The last thread was Locked as Posters
started to attack each other
This is about USA Politics

[Twosugars]

From the land of the free to having a cryptofascist as president

[arista]

From the land of the free to having a cryptofascist as president



He Won the 2016 Election
They need a better leader that real old creepy Biden
for 2020 Election in USA

[Nicky91]

:facepalm: at that ''send her back''


time for democrats to rise to power now, and pls give us Elizabeth Warren as a first female president, also someone who normal people can relate to, rather than the elite who support trump

[arista]

:facepalm: at that ''send her back''


time for democrats to rise to power now, and pls give us Elizabeth Warren as a first female president, also someone who normal people can relate to, rather than the elite who support trump


Old Biden is well above her in the polls

[Twosugars]

He Won the 2016 Election
They need a better leader that real old creepy Biden
for 2020 Election in USA

What's worrying is that someone like trump won once and may win again
That's theres enough support for someone like him

[arista]

What's worrying is that someone like trump won once and may win again
That's theres enough support for someone like him


Valid Points

[Nicky91]

Old Biden is well above her in the polls

:sad:

Liz and Bernie are better candidates than Biden honestly, but yeah Biden might have that Obama fanbase with him

[Kazanne]

Please after the Last thread Got locked
no Fighting.
Talk about USA Politics , please


Also bear in mind one of those left wingers
used bad words M. F. at Trump
no need for that.

This about the Rally last night.

[Donald Trump has used an election rally to intensify his attacks on four congresswomen he described as "hate-filled extremists".
Speaking in North Carolina, Mr Trump accused Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib of "helping to fuel the rise of a dangerous, militant hard left".
Devoting 20 minutes of his 90-minute speech to the group - known as The Squad - he talked about each in turn, supported by a frenzied crowd.
At one point he was speaking about Ms Omar, who is born in Somalia but moved to the US as a child, when the crowd started to chant: "Send her back!".]

https://news.sky.com/story/send-her-back-trump-fires-up-crowd-with-attacks-on-the-squad-11765380

https://e3.365dm.com/19/07/512x512/skynews-ayanna-pressley-ilhan-omar_4719357.jpg
The Four Democrats

I did hear that some of their comments were not so nice and they complained a lot,hence why he said 'If you hate America that much just leave', so I don't know why they are inflamed by his reaction , surely the best way to get at him is to ignore him.

[arista]

I did hear that some of their comments were not so nice and they complained a lot,hence why he said 'If you hate America that much just leave', so I don't know why they are inflamed by his reaction , surely the best way to get at him is to ignore him.


Yes its a Mega Distraction

[bots]

it was a rally inciting hate toward other citizens of the USA

The big problem we have these days is the lack of tolerance from ALL sides. Whatever happened to a little give and take

[Nicky91]

they don't hate america, they just dislike trump ;)

but donnie has twisted that :fan:

[Liam-]

Hearing a crowd chant ‘send her back’ about a democratically elected U.S official, because she’s brown and dare criticise the President (which is allowed, condoned and expected thanks to being in a democratic country) is not only unheard of, but reprehensible, truly unamerican, truly undemocratic and truly racist, absolutely appalling.

[Twosugars]

I'd like a native American to say to trump: why dont you **** off back to germany

[Liam-]

I did hear that some of their comments were not so nice and they complained a lot,hence why he said 'If you hate America that much just leave', so I don't know why they are inflamed by his reaction , surely the best way to get at him is to ignore him.

No, he originally told them to go back to their own countries and after seeing the deserved criticism, he changed it to ‘they’re free to leave’.

It’s a constitutional right to criticise the government if you’re unhappy about it, that’s the right to freedom of speech in a democratic country such as America and as Congresswomen it’s their job to speak their opinions and try to create change, so to have the president to throw out the oldest racist trope in the book of ‘go back home’ is indefensible and unamerican.

[Oliver_W]

Whats wrong with calling him a mad fascist?...
It would be inaccurate?
Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe

Call him bigoted instead.

[Toy Soldier]

Hearing a crowd chant ‘send her back’ about a democratically elected U.S official, because she’s brown and dare criticise the President (which is allowed, condoned and expected thanks to being in a democratic country) is not only unheard of, but reprehensible, truly unamerican, truly undemocratic and truly racist, absolutely appalling.

I honestly don't know how anyone can watch that video and not be truly horrified at the direction America is headed. The blinkers that are required must be absolutely gargantuan.

[Ammi]

Hearing a crowd chant ‘send her back’ about a democratically elected U.S official, because she’s brown and dare criticise the President (which is allowed, condoned and expected thanks to being in a democratic country) is not only unheard of, but reprehensible, truly unamerican, truly undemocratic and truly racist, absolutely appalling.

....and looking so smug and self satisfied when he heard the chants...a tactic similar to a horrible mob being whipped up in hatred, he knows exactly what he’s doing...

[Ammi]

I honestly don't know how anyone can watch that video and not be truly horrified at the direction America is headed. The blinkers that are required must be absolutely gargantuan.

..it really doesn’t resemble a western country ...

[Toy Soldier]

It would be inaccurate?
Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe

Call him bigoted instead.


"Authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power and forcible suppression of opposition"

But that is a completely accurate description of the Trump presidency? The only reason there ISN'T "strong regimentation of society and economy" is that the administration is also utterly incompetent, and there are some solid defences in place in the US constitution.

[Nicky91]

I'd like a native American to say to trump: why dont you **** off back to germany

or scotland :idc:

[Liam-]

I honestly don't know how anyone can watch that video and not be truly horrified at the direction America is headed. The blinkers that are required must be absolutely gargantuan.

The women said some nasty things about him innit, they clearly deserve it.

....and looking so smug and self satisfied when he heard the chants...a tactic similar to horrible mob being whipped up in hatred, he knows exactly what he’s doing...

As Obama once said, he’s not the condition, he’s one of the symptoms, he’s just taking advantage of the backwards feelings towards minorities that have always been and always will be present in America, they can say they’re the most forward, progressive, greatest country in the world all they want, but everyone knows it’s not true at this point, it’s utterly terrifying, but unfortunately not surprising

[Toy Soldier]

or scotland :idc:

:suspect: Wee Nic will keep him in check.

[Kazanne]

The women said some nasty things about him innit, they clearly deserve it.



As Obama once said, he’s not the condition, he’s one of the symptoms, he’s just taking advantage of the backwards feelings towards minorities that have always been and always will be present in America, they can say they’re the most forward, progressive, greatest country in the world all they want, but everyone knows it’s not true at this point, it’s utterly terrifying, but unfortunately not surprising

No one said that,stop lying,this is what causes discord on the forum,and starts the threads going off topic.Always in the right,(my arse)

[Nicky91]

:suspect: Wee Nic will keep him in check.

Donnie might like it in britain, he might see boris johnson and think, oh they even have a lookalike of mine here :laugh:

[arista]

I'd like a native American to say to trump: why dont you **** off back to germany



His Mother was Scottish

[Ammi]

The women said some nasty things about him innit, they clearly deserve it.



As Obama once said, he’s not the condition, he’s one of the symptoms, he’s just taking advantage of the backwards feelings towards minorities that have always been and always will be present in America, they can say they’re the most forward, progressive, greatest country in the world all they want, but everyone knows it’s not true at this point, it’s utterly terrifying, but unfortunately not surprising

...that is the terrifying thing and it really is terrifying...Trump is just doing Trump, he has no concept or understanding of life outside of the gilding on his cage and the prejudices he holds...but there are people actually cheering him, like something from a horror movie....and yet I presume they do have more understanding of the country around them...?...it can only be because he’s feeding them what they hunger for....

[Liam-]

No one said that,stop lying,this is what causes dicord on the forum,and starts the threads going off topic.Always in the right,(my arse)

If you look on Twitter, the general response from republicans and Trump supporters is that they deserve it for constantly bashing the president, I’m not lying about anything, so I’ll politely ask you to curb the attitude.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_w9nWmWwAEv0rY.jpg

A funny Joke

[Liam-]

...that is the terrifying thing and it really is terrifying...Trump is just doing Trump, he has no concept or understanding of life outside of the gilding on his cage and the prejudices he holds...but there are people actually cheering him, like something from a horror movie....and yet I presume they do have more understanding of the country around them...?...it can only be because he’s feeding them what they hunger for....

He’s allowing their racism and bigotry to come to the surface and giving them the voice they haven’t had since the 50’s and 60’s, the worst of America is definitely tearing its ugly head again, I said the other day and I fully stand by it, if he gets another term, which I think he will, I really don’t think it’ll be long before there’s some form of segregation again

[Kazanne]

If you look on Twitter, the general response from republicans and Trump supporters is that they deserve it for constantly bashing the president, I’m not lying about anything, so I’ll politely ask you to curb the attitude.

I wont argue with you but you never mentioned twitter and I rarely look on Twitter ,so obviously your post seemed to be a twist of mine if that was not the case,I apologise.

[bots]

The thing is, these people haven't changed their opinions because Trump said something, he is just stirring up like-minded people. America has always had these problems, it's just been hidden from view

[Ammi]

...this is why I feel and fear that it’ll take decades to right Trumps wrongs and how much his term of office is causing regression...the feelings he’s stirring up are not going to go quickly and the damage could be very far-reaching in the future, long after his office has gone...

[Liam-]

I wont argue with you but you never mentioned twitter and I rarely look on Twitter ,so obviously your post seemed to be a twist of mine if that was not the case,I apologise.

Accepted :p

[Toy Soldier]

The thing is, these people haven't changed their opinions because Trump said something, he is just stirring up like-minded people. America has always had these problems, it's just been hidden from view

Yes, he's emboldening bigotry which allows it to take hold and spread, and that is a massive problem.

[GiRTh]

They should go back cuz they moan too much eh? Does anyone who say that know how Donnie's political career started/? No one has done more moaning over the years about the state of American than Donnie himself but no one ever told him to go back to where he came from. Donnie is only a 2nd generation American while some of these women have families that have been American for 4-5 generations.

The fact he lapped it up showed what he's about. Every previous President would have tried to stop the chant, John MCCain did exactly that in 2008 when he ran against Obama and someone insisted Obama was not an American citizen, but not Donnie, this is what hes about and these rallies are becoming more and more extreme

[Kizzy]

It would be inaccurate?
Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe

Call him bigoted instead.

Yeah....it seems pretty bob on to me :shrug:

[Twosugars]

He's picking on them bc they're not white.
And he is a white supremacist

[bots]

This thread is so 24 hours ago, the orange one has moved on to Puerto Rico now

[Ammi]

8OWfcYR2qZI


...’when they chanted send her back, why didn’t you stop them...’....

...’I think I did, they were talking fast...well I think I did, I was not happy with it ...’...lie/lie/bluster/bluster/lie/lie ...

[joeysteele]

He stood there lapping it up as they were chanting it.

Honestly, he is as low as it's possible to get, in my view.

[GiRTh]

bhtMSQ7F0PUCuomo did this with a couple of guests the other day and the lack of response was telling. I'd actually respect them more if they said - Yes, I'd still support a racist- cus its clear they would. :shrug:

[Ammi]

bhtMSQ7F0PUCuomo did this with a couple of guests the other day and the lack of response was telling. I'd actually respect them more if they said - Yes, I'd still support a racist- cus its clear they would. :shrug:

...I couldn’t watch it all..the sickening gymnastic attempts of trying to excuse and deflect and deny and nothing he was saying was making sense...just silly excuses for someone whose beliefs are as one...

[GiRTh]

Exactly. There are only two answers to the question. The 'but, but what about' is not a valid answer. All of them struggled to give a yes or no.

[Toy Soldier]

...I couldn’t watch it all..the sickening gymnastic attempts of trying to excuse and deflect and deny and nothing he was saying was making sense...just silly excuses for someone whose beliefs are as one...Exactly. There are only two answers to the question. The 'but, but what about' is not a valid answer. All of them struggled to give a yes or no.Same diversion tactics we get in this forum every day at the moment :shrug:

[Liam-]

There was a republican on one of those news shows the other day who, when asked ‘would you vote for an openly racist republican candidate?’ And they answered ‘depends who was running against them’ that really says everything you need to know about the state of the Republican Party today, gone are the days of the respect and honour of John McCain

[montblanc]

8OWfcYR2qZI


...’when they chanted send her back, why didn’t you stop them...’....

...’I think I did, they were talking fast...well I think I did, I was not happy with it ...’...lie/lie/bluster/bluster/lie/lie ...

oh WHATEVER

his demeanor and facial expressions as they were chanting it say otherwise!

[Marsh.]

It would be inaccurate?
Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe

Sounds absolutely spot on.

[Tom4784]

Another day for the racist-in-chief.

[GiRTh]

There was a republican on one of those news shows the other day who, when asked ‘would you vote for an openly racist republican candidate?’ And they answered ‘depends who was running against them’ that really says everything you need to know about the state of the Republican Party today, gone are the days of the respect and honour of John McCainI'd respect that answer too. At least we know where we stand with these guys and what they think is important.

[Oliver_W]

tbh it is disappointing he didn't tell them to stop, and only voiced his displeasure about it the next day.

Call Omar a weirdo for marrying her brother, or criticize her antisemitism, don't say "send her back" when she's a legal citizen.

[Beso]

His Mother was Scottish

A strong protestant woman..if she knew how orange he was going to be she would have demanded he be called William.

[Twosugars]

tbh it is disappointing he didn't tell them to stop, and only voiced his displeasure about it the next day.

Call Omar a weirdo for marrying her brother, or criticize her antisemitism, don't say "send her back" when she's a legal citizen.

He only voiced the "displeasure " after realizing there was outrage.
By then the message of white supremacy has been received and understood by his supporters

[Beso]

He only voiced the "displeasure " after realizing there was outrage.
By then the message of white supremacy has been received and understood by his supporters

That's like saying all Scots are tight.(amongst other things)

[GiRTh]

tbh it is disappointing he didn't tell them to stop, and only voiced his displeasure about it the next day.

Call Omar a weirdo for marrying her brother, or criticize her antisemitism, don't say "send her back" when she's a legal citizen.Lie. I hope this is supposed to be ironic.

[Mokka]

Same diversion tactics we get in this forum every day at the moment :shrug:

Yep. It's the dredges of what the political landscape is now, on here and and on a wider scale. Nothing good can come of it

[Northern Monkey]

He should’ve shut that down there and then.
Not only because it was a terrifying thing to behold but because he probably can’t win with just his core voters and this will undoubtedly alienate his black and latino voters.

[Twosugars]

That's like saying all Scots are tight.(amongst other things)

Agreed, should have said "some supporters "
Not all trump supporters are racist but all racists are trump supporters

[armand.kay]

I did hear that some of their comments were not so nice and they complained a lot,hence why he said 'If you hate America that much just leave', so I don't know why they are inflamed by his reaction , surely the best way to get at him is to ignore him.

they're politicians... it's kinda their job to flag up issues with the running of the country... they don't deserve chants for their deportation for doing their job.

[Beso]

Agreed, should have said "some supporters "
Not all trump supporters are racist but all racists are trump supporters

Even the west hating muslims?

[Twosugars]

they're politicians... it's kinda their job to flag up issues with the running of the country... they don't deserve chants for their deportation for doing their job.

We had a bit of that here with judges being called enemies of the people and some mps branded as traitors
It's an old trick deployed by nationalists to try and grab a monopoly on patriotism
"You disagree with us therefore you hate your country"

[Twosugars]

Even the west hating muslims?

Whataboutery

I have heard no evidence they're racist otherwise why would they accept white converts?
They're religious extremists which is not the same thing
They certainly are guilty of muslim supremacy delusion but that's religion based not race

I'd imagine any west hating muslims living in america and entitled to vote would vote trump bc his intolerant agenda serves their ends very well

[Beso]

Whataboutery

I have heard no evidence they're racist otherwise why would they accept white converts?
They're religious extremists which is not the same thing
They certainly are guilty of muslim supremacy delusion but that's religion based not race

I'd imagine any west hating muslims living in america and entitled to vote would vote trump bc his intolerant agenda serves their ends very well


Next time you spk to me it better be posting a link in a pm to one of your new fangled facepalm smiley things you were bragging about before...then I will edit this post.....again.

[Livia]

I think it's hilarious that she called Trump a racist, while she herself is an anti-Semite. But that's not as bad, right? That's acceptable.

[Oliver_W]

I think it's hilarious that she called Trump a racist, while she herself is an anti-Semite. But that's not as bad, right? That's acceptable.
People probably overlook it because they saw a meme which told them racism=power+prejudice

[Crimson Dynamo]

He actually said go away and then report back - quite a different sentiment

but then the media trolled y'all with the first part of the tweet for financial gain (it worked)


Its the MSM that everyone should be angry with for false reporting tbh

[arista]

He actually said go away and then report back - quite a different sentiment

but then the media trolled y'all with the first part of the tweet for financial gain (it worked)


Its the MSM that everyone should be angry with for false reporting tbh


Yes LT he did say that.

[Kazanne]

He actually said go away and then report back - quite a different sentiment

but then the media trolled y'all with the first part of the tweet for financial gain (it worked)


Its the MSM that everyone should be angry with for false reporting tbh

Well people just love to have a go at someone ,the media and others are obsessed with Trump and now Boris. I don't believe a lot of things I hear now as so much of it is twisted and lies.

[Tom4784]

I think it's hilarious that she called Trump a racist, while she herself is an anti-Semite. But that's not as bad, right? That's acceptable.

Lies.

She criticised Israel which we are all entitled to do and considering the HUGE disparity between civilian deaths when it comes to Palestine and Israel, criticism of how they've handled the conflict is more than apt.

Trying to make her out to be an anti-semite for criticising Israel sets a dangerous precedent and is just another example of the right wing doing what they do best, lying, cheating, misleading and spinning the facts into falsities to suit their agenda.

You are so defensive when it comes to people accusing others of racism but you are so easy to slap people with the anti-semite label when you disagree with their views, Livia. Sort out your hypocrisy, please.

[Tom4784]

People probably overlook it because they saw a meme which told them racism=power+prejudice

Or, you know, they did their research into what was actually said and didn't hang on to the false right wing narrative like you have?

[Tom4784]

Well people just love to have a go at someone ,the media and others are obsessed with Trump and now Boris. I don't believe a lot of things I hear now as so much of it is twisted and lies.

Keep defending what is widely accepted as racism, I guess?

[chuff me dizzy]

He actually said go away and then report back - quite a different sentiment

but then the media trolled y'all with the first part of the tweet for financial gain (it worked)


Its the MSM that everyone should be angry with for false reporting tbh

Yes,those were his actual words, but the media twisted it as per

[Liam-]

Lies.

She criticised Israel which we are all entitled to do and considering the HUGE disparity between civilian deaths when it comes to Palestine and Israel, criticism of how they've handled the conflict is more than apt.

Trying to make her out to be an anti-semite for criticising Israel sets a dangerous precedent and is just another example of the right wing doing what they do best, lying, cheating, misleading and spinning the facts into falsities to suit their agenda.


x2

[Kizzy]

Lies.

She criticised Israel which we are all entitled to do and considering the HUGE disparity between civilian deaths when it comes to Palestine and Israel, criticism of how they've handled the conflict is more than apt.

Trying to make her out to be an anti-semite for criticising Israel sets a dangerous precedent and is just another example of the right wing doing what they do best, lying, cheating, misleading and spinning the facts into falsities to suit their agenda.

You are so defensive when it comes to people accusing others of racism but you are so easy to slap people with the anti-semite label when you disagree with their views, Livia. Sort out your hypocrisy, please.

X3

[Marsh.]

People probably overlook it because they saw a meme which told them racism=power+prejudice

You probably don't know what prejudice even means given some of your comments on racism.

[Twosugars]

Lies.

She criticised Israel which we are all entitled to do and considering the HUGE disparity between civilian deaths when it comes to Palestine and Israel, criticism of how they've handled the conflict is more than apt.

Trying to make her out to be an anti-semite for criticising Israel sets a dangerous precedent and is just another example of the right wing doing what they do best, lying, cheating, misleading and spinning the facts into falsities to suit their agenda.

You are so defensive when it comes to people accusing others of racism but you are so easy to slap people with the anti-semite label when you disagree with their views, Livia. Sort out your hypocrisy, please.

X4

It's like saying criticising a muslim country is Islamophobia

[joeysteele]

Lies.

She criticised Israel which we are all entitled to do and considering the HUGE disparity between civilian deaths when it comes to Palestine and Israel, criticism of how they've handled the conflict is more than apt.

Trying to make her out to be an anti-semite for criticising Israel sets a dangerous precedent and is just another example of the right wing doing what they do best, lying, cheating, misleading and spinning the facts into falsities to suit their agenda.

You are so defensive when it comes to people accusing others of racism but you are so easy to slap people with the anti-semite label when you disagree with their views, Livia. Sort out your hypocrisy, please.

100% right.

This brandishing of being antisemite to any seen as undesirable by whoever accuses them of being.
Is a truly dangerous precedent as you point out.

It also however does a massive disservice to genuine antisemitism.

In the present, not just UK climate but elsewhere in the World.
This careless accusations of antisemitism by anyone is, in my view, and should be wholly unacceptable.
Shocking.

[armand.kay]

People probably overlook it because they saw a meme which told them racism=power+prejudice

that definition of racism has been part of scholarly discourse since the 80s luv, most people who don't rely on alt-right YouTubers for their info already know that though x

[Tom4784]

100% right.

This brandishing of being antisemite to any seen as undesirable by whoever accuses them of being.
Is a truly dangerous precedent as you point out.

It also however does a massive disservice to genuine antisemitism.

In the present, not just UK climate but elsewhere in the World.
This careless accusations of antisemitism by anyone is, in my view, and should be wholly unacceptable.
Shocking.

Quite right, it makes light of anti-semitism and it gives actual anti-semites a weapon in which to devalue any accusations against them.

If someone have grounds to make such an accusation, then do so but if they throw the label around to try to shame people into silence then they turn their cause into a joke.

[Oliver_W]

that definition of racism has been part of scholarly discourse since the 80s luv, most people who don't rely on alt-right YouTubers for their info already know that though x

It's not the actual working definition, anyone can be racist against anyone else.

[armand.kay]

It's not the actual working definition, anyone can be racist against anyone else.

if you want to ignore decades of discourse around racism and instead hold onto a basic dictionary definition then hun that you prerogative. I don't really care to change your mind or debate you over it. I just wanted to point out that you were actually very wrong about people getting the racism=power+prejudice definition from a meme. :hee:

[Oliver_W]

if you want to ignore decades of discourse around racism and instead hold onto a basic dictionary definition then hun that you prerogative. I don't really care to change your mind or debate you over it. I just wanted to point out that you were actually very wrong about people getting the racism=power+prejudice definition from a meme. :hee:

Some younger people might have :shrug: most people don't spend a lot of time thinking about racism and researching discussions about it. So they might see the meme, and just take it as read.

[Livia]

No anti-Semitism here... Some anti-Semitism in the Labour party, but only a little tiny bit....

[Marsh.]

Some younger people might have :shrug: most people don't spend a lot of time thinking about racism and researching discussions about it. So they might see the meme, and just take it as read.

You mention this a lot. Almost as though to understand racism and... not be racist, you need a 5 year degree or something.

It doesn't take a lot of time to understand.

[Tom4784]

No anti-Semitism here... Some anti-Semitism in the Labour party, but only a little tiny bit....

You've made several posts that pretty much said that people who support labour are anti-semitic in other topics. You've made suggestive comments of the same nature to other people for disagreeing with you.

You use anti-semitism as a weapon to try to silence view points you dislike.

[Livia]

The Anti-Semitic BDS Movement Advocates Illegal Discrimination
By David French

July 18, 2019 3:59 PM


Yesterday, in a rather stunning feat of what looks like malicious trolling, Representative Ilhan Omar co-sponsored a resolution designed to support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against the state of Israel. The resolution itself is clever. It doesn’t mention Israel, and is crafted as an ode to free speech. Its key operative provision merely “affirms that all Americans have the right to participate in boycotts in pursuit of civil and human rights at home and abroad, as protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.”

Well, yes. Free expression is free expression. Individual anti-Semites have just as much a constitutional right to boycott Israeli products as individual racists have a constitutional right to refuse to patronize black-owned businesses. The fact that the Constitution protects such conduct doesn’t render it any less repugnant, and lest you doubt the underlying intention of Omar’s actions, she made it very clear in an interview with Al-Monitor that the resolution was an “opportunity for us to explain why it is we support a nonviolent movement, which is the BDS movement.”

Supporters of BDS, however, must reckon with some inconvenient facts and some rather important laws: The movement’s anti-Semitism often leads it to advocate violations of the law.

Before I came to National Review, I served as a senior counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice, and we intervened directly to inform BDS-supporting institutions of both the movement’s anti-Semitic roots and its unlawful conduct toward Israeli students and academics.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/the-anti-semitic-bds-movement-advocates-illegal-discrimination/

[Tom4784]

The Anti-Semitic BDS Movement Advocates Illegal Discrimination
By David French

July 18, 2019 3:59 PM


Yesterday, in a rather stunning feat of what looks like malicious trolling, Representative Ilhan Omar co-sponsored a resolution designed to support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement against the state of Israel. The resolution itself is clever. It doesn’t mention Israel, and is crafted as an ode to free speech. Its key operative provision merely “affirms that all Americans have the right to participate in boycotts in pursuit of civil and human rights at home and abroad, as protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.”

Well, yes. Free expression is free expression. Individual anti-Semites have just as much a constitutional right to boycott Israeli products as individual racists have a constitutional right to refuse to patronize black-owned businesses. The fact that the Constitution protects such conduct doesn’t render it any less repugnant, and lest you doubt the underlying intention of Omar’s actions, she made it very clear in an interview with Al-Monitor that the resolution was an “opportunity for us to explain why it is we support a nonviolent movement, which is the BDS movement.”

Supporters of BDS, however, must reckon with some inconvenient facts and some rather important laws: The movement’s anti-Semitism often leads it to advocate violations of the law.

Before I came to National Review, I served as a senior counsel at the American Center for Law and Justice, and we intervened directly to inform BDS-supporting institutions of both the movement’s anti-Semitic roots and its unlawful conduct toward Israeli students and academics.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/the-anti-semitic-bds-movement-advocates-illegal-discrimination/

That writer puts far too much of their own opinion in to consider this a valid article and it seems mostly to be an exercise in tarring people with the same brush.

[Toy Soldier]

What I don't understand I suppose... Is how is it NOT anti-semitic to imply that "Jews" and "Israeli people" are one and the same thing? How is boycotting Israel or being critical of Israeli policy in any way anti-semitic? And are we not entering seriously worrying territory if we start accepting that political stances (such as some of those of the Israeli government) are immune to criticism because of completely unrelated implications?

It feels like as recently as a few years ago there was a broad understanding that "Jews" and "Israel" were not the same thing but there's been a lot of very successful twisting and turning in recent years to make it so that anything other than praise of Israel is "hating on Jews". Which is obviously just not the case?

[Toy Soldier]

Even the article right there has a glaring false equivalency - equating boycotting Israeli products to boycotting local black-owned businesses. :think:. The equivalent would be boycotting local Jewish-owned businesses? If anyone is suggesting doing that then yes, obviously, that's antisemitic.

[Twosugars]

What I don't understand I suppose... Is how is it NOT anti-semitic to imply that "Jews" and "Israeli people" are one and the same thing? How is boycotting Israel or being critical of Israeli policy in any way anti-semitic? And are we not entering seriously worrying territory if we start accepting that political stances (such as some of those of the Israeli government) are immune to criticism because of completely unrelated implications?

It feels like as recently as a few years ago there was a broad understanding that "Jews" and "Israel" were not the same thing but there's been a lot of very successful twisting and turning in recent years to make it so that anything other than praise of Israel is "hating on Jews". Which is obviously just not the case?

So that the state of Israel can steal more land without worrying about the public opinion? Just a thought.

[Northern Monkey]

Yeah i think it’s saying that supporting the BDS movement is antisemitic because the movement has antisemitic roots,not because boycotting Israeli goods in itself is antisemitic.
Though why it brings black owned shops into it is confusing.Israel is a country not a race.

[Tom4784]

What I don't understand I suppose... Is how is it NOT anti-semitic to imply that "Jews" and "Israeli people" are one and the same thing? How is boycotting Israel or being critical of Israeli policy in any way anti-semitic? And are we not entering seriously worrying territory if we start accepting that political stances (such as some of those of the Israeli government) are immune to criticism because of completely unrelated implications?

It feels like as recently as a few years ago there was a broad understanding that "Jews" and "Israel" were not the same thing but there's been a lot of very successful twisting and turning in recent years to make it so that anything other than praise of Israel is "hating on Jews". Which is obviously just not the case?

Exactly, I think we're just heading in a direction in which you can't criticise Israel because the Right are pushing this narrative that to criticise them is anti-semitic. It feels like they are weaponsing anti-semitism because they don't like that, in today's world, they will be called out for racism and such. It's like 'Well if you're gonna call us out on our racism, I'm gonna say you hate Jews!'.

The conflict between Israel and Palestine is a long and complicated one in which neither side comes out smelling like roses but it's important that we see the forest for the trees and not paint out one side to be the heroes and the other villains of this story. Israel have done terrible things during this conflict, they have abused human rights and they have targeted civilians and their actions must be acknowledged for what they are and criticising those actions will never be anti-semitic. There is always a lot made out about Palestine with the focus being on things such as Hamas but it's important that we all acknowledge the wrongs on both sides.

[Livia]

Yeah i think it’s saying that supporting the BDS movement is antisemitic because the movement has antisemitic roots,not because boycotting Israeli goods in itself is antisemitic.
Though why it brings black owned shops into it is confusing.Israel is a country not a race.

Jews consider themselves a separate race.

[arista]

Many are saying
Trump is keeping these 4 women in the news
as they represent the Hard Left
that no one would elect that in USA.

[Oliver_W]

Many are saying
Trump is keeping these 4 women in the news
as they represent the Hard Left
that no one would elect that in USA.

To be fair they're running Republican campaigns rather effectively:)

[Toy Soldier]

Jews consider themselves a separate race.Again though, NM said "Israel" is not a race, not that Jews are not a race. Are Jews Israel? Is Israel Jews? Are they one and the same? I know there are plenty of non-Israeli *Jews* who would very firmly make the distinction and considering the two to be one and the same is a HUGE problem because while Jews are a race and a religion, Israel and the Israeli government are political entities and its vital that they ARE open to criticism.

[Northern Monkey]

Jews consider themselves a separate race.

I know that Jews are a race and that boycotting shops because the owner is Jewish would definitely be antisemitic.
Boycotting goods from a country only because of their policies is’nt the same thing though.
Whether these BDS people are antisemitic and using Israeli policy as a cover I don’t know as I don’t know enough about them.

[Livia]

Again though, NM said "Israel" is not a race, not that Jews are not a race. Are Jews Israel? Is Israel Jews? Are they one and the same? I know there are plenty of non-Israeli *Jews* who would very firmly make the distinction and considering the two to be one and the same is a HUGE problem because while Jews are a race and a religion, Israel and the Israeli government are political entities and its vital that they ARE open to criticism.

I said Jews consider themselves to be. Jews have thought themselves a race for thousands of years.

[Toy Soldier]

I said Jews consider themselves to be. Jews have thought themselves a race for thousands of years.But it was in response to NM saying that Israel is not a race... Not that Jews are not a race.

[bots]

I think many have become complacent. They have taken democracy for granted for too long, they have taken anti discrimination progress for granted for too long. These things need constant attention to ensure they are maintained. When things slip, activists gain a voice, it's up to the majority to take a stand and make sure standards are upheld.

[Oliver_W]

When things slip, activists gain a voice, it's up to the majority to take a stand and make sure standards are upheld.

I do wonder how many of the Foursome will still have their seats after the next election cycle.

[Tom4784]

I do wonder how many of the Foursome will still have their seats after the next election cycle.

I imagine most of them, the right wing/republican spin isn't really working against them. The whole push to make Ilhan Omar seem anti-semitic repeatedly falls flat, the focus on AOC just makes the right look weak and every time they mock her for being a bartender, they alienate their base. Every attack against them is s kamikaze attack since the right hurt themselves more than they hurt them.

Trump's actions have pretty much insured that, barring any **** ups, they'll likely hold on to their seats for a long time to come.

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.facebook.com/Traynor.KR/videos/924525444550395/UzpfSTE0NDY3NTA2ODc6MTAyMjA2NTc1MTUyOTQ5MjM/

[Oliver_W]

I imagine most of them, the right wing/republican spin isn't really working against them. The whole push to make Ilhan Omar seem anti-semitic repeatedly falls flat, the focus on AOC just makes the right look weak and every time they mock her for being a bartender, they alienate their base. Every attack against them is s kamikaze attack since the right hurt themselves more than they hurt them.
Unless the Dems decide to get rid of AOC in damage control for the party:

New York Democrats Could Eliminate Ocasio-Cortez’s District After 2020 (https://theintercept.com/2019/02/09/ocasio-cortez-district-redistricting-2020/)
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is prepared for the possibility that Democrats in New York could redraw her district after the 2020 election, she told The Intercept in an interview.

Following the 2020 census, every state will draw new district boundaries to reflect changes in the population, the political implications of which will stretch for at least the next decade. In 2014, New York approved a constitutional amendment establishing a nonpartisan redistricting commission, which is set to take over the redistricting process starting in 2020. The 10-member commission, meant to be independent from the legislature, is made up of individuals selected by leaders from the state Senate and Assembly, and the original eight members pick two additional members.

But Ocasio-Cortez’s most determined adversaries are not partisan Republicans, but Democrats who say that she has been a disruptive influence. The Hill recently reported that at least one member of Congress has been urging New York party leaders to recruit a Democratic primary challenger to Ocasio-Cortez. But the news led to a surge of donations to Ocasio-Cortez, suggesting that a more efficient means of ousting her might be simply to eliminate her district.

[Nicky91]

Unless the Dems decide to get rid of AOC in damage control for the party:

don't give in to Trump, stand your ground Democrats please

you can't give the orange giant baby what he wants, he can't have his way all the damn time


and yeah i know that nickname can be seen as an insult but i stand my ground in my views against trump

he just is unfit for presidency, way more suited for reality tv :laugh: with his desire for over the top drama tweets

[Oliver_W]

don't give in to Trump, stand your ground Democrats please

you can't give the orange giant baby what he wants, he can't have his way all the damn time


To be fair I think he'd love AOC to stay :joker:

In most ways they're polar opposites, but they're both literal case studies for Kruger Dunning.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1152633486081220610/bEJsq5eh?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

Again though, NM said "Israel" is not a race, not that Jews are not a race. Are Jews Israel? Is Israel Jews? Are they one and the same? I know there are plenty of non-Israeli *Jews* who would very firmly make the distinction and considering the two to be one and the same is a HUGE problem because while Jews are a race and a religion, Israel and the Israeli government are political entities and its vital that they ARE open to criticism.

All right TS, take a breath.

No, I understand Israel is not a race.

I was merely saying that Jews, even though there are white Jews, black Jews, all shades of Jew, we still consider ourselves a race. That's all...

Israel is open to criticism and it should be open to it, just like every other country in the world. But it depends how you criticise it and what for, just like every other country.

[Tom4784]

Unless the Dems decide to get rid of AOC in damage control for the party:

That seems unlikely, she is way too popular and if she is removed from her position through political manoeuvring rather than losing an election then the Dems would deal more damage to themselves for very little benefit. I don't think AOC is going anywhere and that scenario is more of a right wing wet dream rather than anything else.

At the end of the day, AOC has a huge supporter base that the democrats do not want to alienate and they won't redraw lines and risk losing a district to get rid of someone who is a rising star in their office, someone who is a lightning rod to the Right Wing but is immune to Right Wing bull****.

She's not going anywhere unless she loses.

[Oliver_W]

That seems unlikely, she is way too popular and if she is removed from her position through political manoeuvring rather than losing an election then the Dems would deal more damage to themselves for very little benefit. I don't think AOC is going anywhere and that scenario is more of a right wing wet dream rather than anything else.

The right wing don't hate or fear her, no-one's threatened by her ... she's just a living meme generator who says dumb stuff.

But oh sure, there are some knuckle-draggers who can't stand a prominent Latina speaking out, but they're the minority.

[Twosugars]

The right wing don't hate or fear her, no-one's threatened by her ... she's just a living meme generator who says dumb stuff.

But oh sure, there are some knuckle-draggers who can't stand a prominent Latina speaking out, but they're the minority.

King of dumb stuff is the current president and his title is unassailable so

[Oliver_W]

King of dumb stuff is the current president and his title is unassailable so

Like I said before, the two things they have in common is saying dumb stuff and Kruger Dunning :)

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1152633486081220610/bEJsq5eh?format=jpg&name=small

Inspired

[Toy Soldier]

The right wing don't hate or fear her, no-one's threatened by her ... she's just a living meme generator who says dumb stuff.


Like I said before, the two things they have in common is saying dumb stuff and Kruger Dunning :)

Can you actually quote some of this "dumb stuff", and outline your understanding of the Dunning-Kruger effect? Or is this just yet another thing you've heard someone say on Reddit :idc:. Because also, I've never actually seen referred to as "Kruger Dunning", because that's not what it's called, making me wonder if you have any idea what you're talking about.

[GiRTh]

Can you actually quote some of this "dumb stuff", and outline your understanding of the Dunning-Kruger effect? Or is this just yet another thing you've heard someone say on Reddit :idc:. Because also, I've never actually seen referred to as "Kruger Dunning", because that's not what it's called, making me wonder if you have any idea what you're talking about.:laugh::laugh:

I bet in a dumb stuff saying contest, no matter what she said, she cant beat Donnie.

[Tom4784]

The right wing don't hate or fear her, no-one's threatened by her ... she's just a living meme generator who says dumb stuff.

But oh sure, there are some knuckle-draggers who can't stand a prominent Latina speaking out, but they're the minority.

Right Wing Media can't keep her name out of their mouths. Everything she does, they cover extensively and they look for any reason (and when they can't find one, they make one up) to slate or disaparage her. Fox News has mentioned her more times then they've mentioned the democratic presidential candidates.

You don't focus so much energy on trying to ruin someone if you don't fear them. The Right Wing are terrified of what she represents and how much of a following she has.

I think the fact you think she's just a meme generator says it all, you don't know much about her at all, you brand what she says dumb but a lot of the stuff she's fighting for are things we enjoy. Do you think the NHS is dumb? Do you not think that the US should have similar healthcare? A living wage so that teachers don't have to work two jobs? ETC. Are these two concepts dumb to you? You need to stop listening to your right wing youtubers that tell you what you want to hear and start looking up the facts. If you think a lot of what AOC wants to achieve is dumb then you believe that a lot of the rights and services we have in the UK are dumb as well.

[arista]

A German Magazine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_813W6WkAYRbLc?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Ammi]

Donald Trump has retweeted videos posted by Katie Hopkins supporting his recent attacks on four US congresswomen.

The president shared two messages featuring Hopkins defending his leadership.

Hopkins also took aim at Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and her fellow Democrat Congresswomen, known as “the squad”.

Hopkins’ original tweet read: “How I wish we had such leadership in the UK.

“Don’t like this country? Don’t like what it gives you? Then leave.”

“Trump does not give offence. #TheSquad choose to take it. #TheSquad need to make better decisions.”


Minutes later, the firebrand president shared a second post from Hopkins, again weighing in on London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

Hopkins’ Tweet read: “The Met Police. Officers says they have lost control of London streets.

“Apparently they lost control of their twitter account too."

But Mr Trump commented: “With the incompetent Mayor of London, you will never have safe streets!

The President previously told Democrats Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib to “go back” to their home countries - even though all are citizens and three were born in the US.

Despite the Democratic-led House of Representatives voting to condemn Trump's "racist comments”, the President doubled down and continued his attack.


It comes after the Metropolitan Police's Twitter account was targeted by hackers who posted multiple bizarre and unauthorised messages.

Late on Friday night, a number of posts were sent from the force's Twitter account, which has more than 1.22 million followers, calling for the release of drill rap artist Digga D.

[Ammi]

...the Donald needs to look at his own streets instead of spending so much time tweeting about other countries.../...imagine all of that tweeting time spent, if he actually attempted to do something presidential...hmmmmm, no actually...he still couldn’t manage presidential behaviour no matter how much extra time...

[lime]

I still have stomach churning when I hear the chant "Send her back"



It's facisim 101.It still is bizzare that in 2019 this is considered normal.He is not even bothered about the fact he will be known as a racist ...in fact he enjoys it:sad::sad::sad:

[Ammi]

...sadly it’s a significant part of his support structure/his prejudices, which is why he ‘enjoys it’...his smug face at the sickening chants of the crowd...if only we knew it would take so many decades to get nowhere...:sad:..

[Ammi]

...he said that Europe was losing its culture because of immigration...but immigration is what forges so much of the world and what moulds countries and what makes them what they are and what we love about them...we would live in ignorance if we lived in isolation and insulation...and then we regress...

[Livia]

A German Magazine

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_813W6WkAYRbLc?format=jpg&name=900x900


https://blogs.georgefox.edu/dminlgp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2016.11.28-Pot-Kettle-300x231.jpg

[Niamh.]

...he said that Europe was losing its culture because of immigration...but immigration is what forges so much of the world and what moulds countries and what makes them what they are and what we love about them...we would live in ignorance if we lived in isolation and insulation...and then we regress...Exactly

[Livia]

Do we think it's a coincidence that in the countries where people have been admitted en masse, without any consultation with the public, the far Right are on the rise. And I don't mean just refugees from Africa and the Middle East, I mean the massive move west of millions of people from eastern Europe who disseminated all over western Europe after the massive and quick expansion of the EU in 2004.

[Elliot]

but they're the minority.

source?

[Oliver_W]

Do we think it's a coincidence that in the countries where people have been admitted en masse, without any consultation with the public, the far Right are on the rise. And I don't mean just refugees from Africa and the Middle East, I mean the massive move west of millions of people from eastern Europe who disseminated all over western Europe after the massive and quick expansion of the EU in 2004.

I see what you mean - islamic culture is completely contrary to our own, and admitting millions of people from said culture isn't the best idea. Unfortunately, the only voices in politics talking about this are far right, so this gives them support from otherwise moderate people.

[Niamh.]

Do we think it's a coincidence that in the countries where people have been admitted en masse, without any consultation with the public, the far Right are on the rise. And I don't mean just refugees from Africa and the Middle East, I mean the massive move west of millions of people from eastern Europe who disseminated all over western Europe after the massive and quick expansion of the EU in 2004.I don't think the right is on the rise here, that I've noticed anyway, Polish are the highest non Irish nationality here and they slotted in very easily :shrug:

[Livia]

I see what you mean - islamic culture is completely contrary to our own, and admitting millions of people from said culture isn't the best idea. Unfortunately, the only voices in politics talking about this are far right, so this gives them support from otherwise moderate people.

Yes, that's been my feeling all along. Any time there's any kind of discussion about immigrants, anyone who doesn't want an open door policy is a bigot and a racist, and that's an end to it. No discussion, working class people's areas are transformed, businesses close, pubs shut, mosques open and suddenly you're a stranger in your own land. And if you haven't experienced that, well... you have no idea.

I'm not against immigration and I'm certainly not against letting in genuine refugees... but they need to be less condensed. People say, well, obviously they're going to want to live with their own people. And that's fine. Unless they're white English.... and then it's racist.

[Livia]

I don't think the right is on the rise here, that I've noticed anyway, Polish are the highest non Irish nationality here and they slotted in very easily :shrug:

There are loads of Poles in my area and they're really hard working. Also, they tend to make friends in the wider community as well as in their own.

[Niamh.]

There are loads of Poles in my area and they're really hard working. Also, they tend to make friends in the wider community as well as in their own.Yes and I think that really makes a difference actually, the fact that they do integrate with the locals a lot.

[Livia]

Yes and I think that really makes a difference actually, the fact that they do integrate with the locals a lot.

I think it makes a massive difference too.

[Twosugars]

https://blogs.georgefox.edu/dminlgp/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2016.11.28-Pot-Kettle-300x231.jpg

They know what they're talking about

[Twosugars]

There are loads of Poles in my area and they're really hard working. Also, they tend to make friends in the wider community as well as in their own.

Yes and I think that really makes a difference actually, the fact that they do integrate with the locals a lot.

On a personal level, it's very nice tor me to read these comments.

[Kizzy]

Do we think it's a coincidence that in the countries where people have been admitted en masse, without any consultation with the public, the far Right are on the rise. And I don't mean just refugees from Africa and the Middle East, I mean the massive move west of millions of people from eastern Europe who disseminated all over western Europe after the massive and quick expansion of the EU in 2004.

So you have an issue with eastern Europeans now? I'm sure you said your decended from Transylvanians.

[chuff me dizzy]

Do we think it's a coincidence that in the countries where people have been admitted en masse, without any consultation with the public, the far Right are on the rise. And I don't mean just refugees from Africa and the Middle East, I mean the massive move west of millions of people from eastern Europe who disseminated all over western Europe after the massive and quick expansion of the EU in 2004.

100% Whats causing it, people are sick and tired of it and esp when a working man sees what they get for free that he has to work overtime for

[Niamh.]

On a personal level, it's very nice tor me to read these comments.Are you Polish TS?

[chuff me dizzy]

There are loads of Poles in my area and they're really hard working. Also, they tend to make friends in the wider community as well as in their own.

A lot of Poles work with my husband ,he says they are really hard workers and all of them get on with the English workers, we have 2 families of Poles near us, they are constantly cleaning, gardening and also say good morning or good afternoon ,I have no problem with them at all

[Oliver_W]

Some Poles are fairly regular in my mum's bookies, and they're basically more British than half my mates haha - they run a business (builders), they're part of the community, they even play bloody cricket! There are two or three nuclear families who are all one family (if that makes sense), and you can tell which houses are theirs because they're the nicest and best kept on their streets :)

[Kizzy]

Are you Polish TS?

Oh no dont ask that... next thing it'll be you don't know this your not British... you can't understand that your not British.
Unless your at least 3rd generation not British you don't know anything!

[Twosugars]

Are you Polish TS?
Half Polish and brought up there, only moved here in my early twenties.
Oh no dont ask that... next thing it'll be you don't know this your not British... you can't understand that your not British.
Unless your at least 3rd generation not British you don't know anything!

True:laugh:
Still have a bit of an accent and get treated as a foreigner a lot which usually is not pleasant.

[Niamh.]

Half Polish and brought up there, only moved here in my early twenties.


True:laugh:
Still have a bit of an accent and get treated as a foreigner a lot which usually is not pleasant.

ah I didn't know that :love:

[Niamh.]

Oh no dont ask that... next thing it'll be you don't know this your not British... you can't understand that your not British.
Unless your at least 3rd generation not British you don't know anything!

:laugh:

[Twosugars]

ah I didn't know that :love:

I took brexit very personally. Still haven't got over it really.

[Niamh.]

I took brexit very personally. Still haven't got over it really.

I can imagine :(

[Kizzy]

I took brexit very personally. Still haven't got over it really.

Aw ts please don't, see.. this is how brexit has impacted on our European cousins, its revolting how its fractured further our collective relationship.
Mind you to me being English we've always had an island mentality, a fear of forigners that was only slightly improved by the invention of the package holiday :)

[Twosugars]

A lot of Poles work with my husband ,he says they are really hard workers and all of them get on with the English workers, we have 2 families of Poles near us, they are constantly cleaning, gardening and also say good morning or good afternoon ,I have no problem with them at all

Some Poles are fairly regular in my mum's bookies, and they're basically more British than half my mates haha - they run a business (builders), they're part of the community, they even play bloody cricket! There are two or three nuclear families who are all one family (if that makes sense), and you can tell which houses are theirs because they're the nicest and best kept on their streets :)

:)

[Ammi]

I took brexit very personally. Still haven't got over it really.

....:hug:...sadly there are many others who would feel that as well...I didn’t know your heritage, there’s no reason why I should have known though...

[Ammi]

...so was it the Polish bit of you that was the influence for your excessive sugar habit, I’m wondering...

[Kizzy]

Polar opposite some opinions aren't they? Lovely polite people that are responsible for the rise of the far right in the UK.

[Twosugars]

Aw ts please don't, see.. this is how brexit has impacted on our European cousins, its revolting how its fractured further our collective relationship.
Mind you to me being English we've always had an island mentality, a fear of forigners that was only slightly improved by the invention of the package holiday :)

Oh I know. We had some British history at school (shoutout for Polish education).
But you sort of hope all in Europe have moved on from the past and realized we're strongest together. So it hurts you know.
Especially as I'm convinced that the working class who voted for it was lied to (immigration will continue but from outside Europe) and Britain will have less control as a junior partner of the US or China or the EU. It's a lose-lose situation for britain and europe. Putin must be happy though.

[Twosugars]

...so was it the Polish bit of you that was the influence for your excessive sugar habit, I’m wondering...

:laugh:

[Kizzy]

Oh I know. We had some British history at school (shootout for Polish education).
But you sort of hope all in Europe have moved on from the past and realized we're strongest together. So it hurts you know.
Especially as I'm convinced that the working class who voted for it was lied to (immigration will continue but from outside Europe) and Britain will have less control as a junior partner of the US or China or the EU. It's a lose-lose situation for britain and europe. Putin must be happy though.

Well this was my first thought when the discussion on brexit was first started here, what if free trade is tied to free movement outside the EU... how will that impact on 'culture'? Then there were the suggestions for working visas for those sectors such as farming or nursing, they won't be granted citizen status but can work here. So as to employment laws are they employed here or in their contr of origin via agencies?
How's that going to go down here, how will that help anyone? I know what it sounds like to me, modern day slavery! Disadvantaged people with reduced rights...what else is it?

[Twosugars]

Well this was my first thought when the discussion on brexit was first started here, what if free trade is tied to free movement outside the EU... how will that impact on 'culture'? Then there were the suggestions for working visas for those sectors such as farming or nursing, they won't be granted citizen status but can work here. So as to employment laws are they employed here or in their contr of origin via agencies?
How's that going to go down here, how will that help anyone? I know what it sounds like to me, modern day slavery! Disadvantaged people with reduced rights...what else is it?

India will deffo want Visa restrictions lifted.

[Kizzy]

Well of course, outside of the EU we'll be aligning ourselves with the BRIC... and the US.
Which is just going to be fantastic for our human rights record :/

[Tom4784]

100% Whats causing it, people are sick and tired of it and esp when a working man sees what they get for free that he has to work overtime for

Oh, the whole 'THESE MUSLIMS GET A MANSION AND 10MILLION IN BENEFITS WHILE ____ IS ON THE STREETS' is just propaganda for the gullible and for people trying to validate their hatred.

No, muslims or immigrants aren't getting more than you are.

[Tom4784]

Do we think it's a coincidence that in the countries where people have been admitted en masse, without any consultation with the public, the far Right are on the rise. And I don't mean just refugees from Africa and the Middle East, I mean the massive move west of millions of people from eastern Europe who disseminated all over western Europe after the massive and quick expansion of the EU in 2004.

It's more to do with the fact that these people don't like diversity or progress and they want to turn the clock back. Immigration is just the excuse. There was a film I watched recently, can't remember the name of it but it was about the financial crisis and at the end one of the characters spoke about how he feared that the poor and immigration would end up being blamed for it all and the film ended not long after with a few written sentences detailing what happened next and at first they were like 'Banks were held accountable for their screwups and were dissolved for it, PSYCH! We blamed poor people and immigration instead!'. Same thing is happening again and will always happen.

The US doesn't have an issue with immigration, they have an issue with brown immigrants. Trump isn't making out that white European immigrants are the problem, he's not said a word about it. Immigration, as ever, is just the excuse.

[Twosugars]

It's more to do with the fact that these people don't like diversity or progress and they want to turn the clock back. Immigration is just the excuse. There was a film I watched recently, can't remember the name of it but it was about the financial crisis and at the end one of the characters spoke about how he feared that the poor and immigration would end up being blamed for it all and the film ended not long after with a few written sentences detailing what happened next and at first they were like 'Banks were held accountable for their screwups and were dissolved for it, PSYCH! We blamed poor people and immigration instead!'. Same thing is happening again and will always happen.

The US doesn't have an issue with immigration, they have an issue with brown immigrants. Trump isn't making out that white European immigrants are the problem, he's not said a word about it. Immigration, as ever, is just the excuse.

Completely agree, well said.

[Swan]

Oh, the whole 'THESE MUSLIMS GET A MANSION AND 10MILLION IN BENEFITS WHILE ____ IS ON THE STREETS' is just propaganda for the gullible and for people trying to validate their hatred.

No, muslims or immigrants aren't getting more than you are.

Incorrect...People working full time are getting nothing, being made to sit on council housing lists for 10 years plus (even when prepared to pay full rent), all the while their tax money is paying to house the above.

Just stating fact :)

[Tom4784]

Incorrect...People working full time are getting nothing, being made to sit on council housing lists for 10 years plus (even when prepared to pay full rent), all the while their tax money is paying to house the above.

Just stating fact :)

Clickbaity facebook memes that beg you to share if you are outraged are not reliable news sources.

[Swan]

Clickbaity facebook memes that beg you to share if you are outraged are not reliable news sources.

I don't have facebook so i wouldn't know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clickbaity facebook memes that beg you to share if you are outraged are not reliable news sources.

"It's more to do with the fact that these people don't like diversity or progress and they want to turn the clock back. Immigration is just the excuse."

and what is your source for this bold statement?

[Marsh.]

"It's more to do with the fact that these people don't like diversity or progress and they want to turn the clock back. Immigration is just the excuse."

and what is your source for this bold statement?

Their racist statements?

[Tom4784]

"It's more to do with the fact that these people don't like diversity or progress and they want to turn the clock back. Immigration is just the excuse."

and what is your source for this bold statement?

I'm going to explain some things to you, so settle in.

What Swan stated was not an opinion nor a statement, he was stating a falsity as a fact based on typical outrage media that distorts the truth for clicks. No, immigrants are not being given mansions and millions of pounds in benefits and to make out that's the case is just perpetuating a lie.

As for my opinion, look at the world. Trump, despite people predicting he would stick people seeking immigration and asylum in concentration camps and that he would be defined by racism, he still won because people disregarded the signs because they wanted a reason to validate their own hatred and anyone who went with him because they bought his bull**** about Hillary have since disavowed him. The only people left in Trump's corner now are people who are fine with concentration camps and racist sentiments. Places that have seen progress are seeing the Right Wing double down with hatred to try to take back a foothold. Look at Bolsonero in Brazil, the controversy over Puerto Rico's governer, the countries in Europe that are seeing a rise of far right extremism on a wave of hatred for diversity and equality. Immigrants aren't to blame, equality is not to blame, diversity is not to blame, it's the fault of hatred and bigotry and nothing more.

If you're trying to demand a source for an opinion, go relearn what an opinion is because you misunderstand what it entails but all you have to do to see that I'm right is to open your eyes and look at the state of the world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm going to explain some things to you, so settle in.

What Swan stated was not an opinion nor a statement, he was stating a falsity as a fact based on typical outrage media that distorts the truth for clicks. No, immigrants are not being given mansions and millions of pounds in benefits and to make out that's the case is just perpetuating a lie.

As for my opinion, look at the world. Trump, despite people predicting he would stick people seeking immigration and asylum in concentration camps and that he would be defined by racism, he still won because people disregarded the signs because they wanted a reason to validate their own hatred and anyone who went with him because they bought his bull**** about Hillary have since disavowed him. The only people left in Trump's corner now are people who are fine with concentration camps and racist sentiments. Places that have seen progress are seeing the Right Wing double down with hatred to try to take back a foothold. Look at Bolsonero in Brazil, the controversy over Puerto Rico's governer, the countries in Europe that are seeing a rise of far right extremism on a wave of hatred for diversity and equality. Immigrants aren't to blame, equality is not to blame, diversity is not to blame, it's the fault of hatred and bigotry and nothing more.

If you're trying to demand a source for an opinion, go relearn what an opinion is because you misunderstand what it entails but all you have to do to see that I'm right is to open your eyes and look at the state of the world.

ok so just your subjective opinion based on your own worldview, my bad - it just read like it had come from some source as you were so sure? I am sure that plenty will disagree, especially in America.

[Tom4784]

ok so just your subjective opinion based on your own worldview, my bad - it just read like it had come from some source as you were so sure? I am sure that plenty will disagree, especially in America.

People are free to close their eyes to events if it bothers them but it doesn't change what's happening. Trump IS a racist, denying it is just denying reality at this point.

[Oliver_W]

Trump's approval rating is currently in the 40s - not exactly high, but also more than just people who are okay with the imaginary concentration camps:)

[Tom4784]

Trump's approval rating is currently in the 40s - not exactly high, but also more than just people who are okay with the imaginary concentration camps:)

Imaginary? Are you trying to pretend that there aren't camps filled with immigrants that have been split up from their families? That at LEAST 7 children haven't died thus far? That the people running these camps haven't been caught in a private facebook group mocking the people they should be protecting and making out that AOC should be raped?

You can't just say something doesnt' exist because you don't want to acknowledge it, these camps are very ****ing real and by denying it you are putting yourself on the wrong side of history.

As for Trump's supporters, anybody that still supports him supports his racism and the rampant human rights abuses occuring at the border. It's just a dark sign that 40% of Americans are racist.

[Oliver_W]

Of course the holding centres exist, but to call them "concentration camps" isn't really accurate.

Why would you automatically assume the approval rating means they're all racist? Maybe some people can look at more than one detail at a time, and they like the job he's doing aside from how the holding centres are run.

[Twosugars]

Of course the holding centres exist, but to call them "concentration camps" isn't really accurate.

Why would you automatically assume the approval rating means they're all racist? Maybe some people can look at more than one detail at a time, and they like the job he's doing aside from how the holding centres are run.

And what job would that be? American economy runs itself with gentle prodding by the Federal Reserve
The man is an idiot, you heard him enough times. You think he actually manages anything? :laugh: he has no ****ing clue

[Oliver_W]

And what job would that be? American economy runs itself with gentle prodding by the Federal Reserve
The man is an idiot, you heard him enough times. You think he actually manages anything? :laugh: he has no ****ing clue

I'm sure paying less tax is appreciated :D

[Tom4784]

Of course the holding centres exist, but to call them "concentration camps" isn't really accurate.

Why would you automatically assume the approval rating means they're all racist? Maybe some people can look at more than one detail at a time, and they like the job he's doing aside from how the holding centres are run.

You're arguing whether the concentration camps should be called concentration camps, you are more concerned with their name then the human rights abuses going on there. Think about that.

Trump IS a racist, it's undeniable at this point and the only people trying are people in denial and don't want to admit that they agree with his racism or at least they want to excuse it. He is not bothered about white immigrants, he has not told opposition of european heritage to go back home, only people of arabic or south american descent. His whole shtick is about demonsing latin and arabic people and he has done it freely before the election and since. He has told american citizens to 'go home' based purely on their race. Trump is a racist, you can pretend that he isn't all you want but that's not gonna change the truth.

Trump has pretty much done nothing of note during his administration aside from riding on the coattails of the previous administration. He has increased the deficit and used tax reforms to give his friends a pay cut and he's given those friends positions in his cabinet so you have the likes of Betsy Devos ****ing up education for the whole country. The only notable thing of his entire administration is his racism and his cruelty so if people are still supporting him, they are supporting him based on that.

If anyone can look at what has transpired over the past few years and still say they support Trump then they are most likely a racist.

[GiRTh]

I'm sure paying less tax is appreciated :DBy whom? Working people are paying more and the tax cut has blown the deficit.

[GiRTh]

Of course the holding centres exist, but to call them "concentration camps" isn't really accurate.

Why would you automatically assume the approval rating means they're all racist? Maybe some people can look at more than one detail at a time, and they like the job he's doing aside from how the holding centres are run.That is an astonishing statement. If his supporters choose to ignore his clear racism and think his bumbling corrupt administration is doing good despite treating so many people so poorly then, that tells all we need to know about them.

[Tom4784]

I'm sure paying less tax is appreciated :D

You really need to do some research instead of watching Right Wing youtubers that tell you what you want to hear. Trump's Tax strategy has been an utter flop.

[GiRTh]

You really need to do some research instead of watching Right Wing youtubers that tell you what you want to hear. Trump's Tax strategy has been an utter flop.Agree. Its at the point where some right wingers are trying to discredit the new figures. They complained when Obama raised the deficit but Trump has set it at a new record high.

[Twosugars]

You're arguing whether the concentration camps should be called concentration camps, you are more concerned with their name then the human rights abuses going on there. Think about that.

Trump IS a racist, it's undeniable at this point and the only people trying are people in denial and don't want to admit that they agree with his racism or at least they want to excuse it. He is not bothered about white immigrants, he has not told opposition of european heritage to go back home, only people of arabic or south american descent. His whole shtick is about demonsing latin and arabic people and he has done it freely before the election and since. He has told american citizens to 'go home' based purely on their race. Trump is a racist, you can pretend that he isn't all you want but that's not gonna change the truth.

Trump has pretty much done nothing of note during his administration aside from riding on the coattails of the previous administration. He has increased the deficit and used tax reforms to give his friends a pay cut and he's given those friends positions in his cabinet so you have the likes of Betsy Devos ****ing up education for the whole country. The only notable thing of his entire administration is his racism and his cruelty so if people are still supporting him, they are supporting him based on that.

If anyone can look at what has transpired over the past few years and still say they support Trump then they are most likely a racist.

He called for more immigration. From Norway. He likes the Nordic type - blond hair, blue eyes.
Sounds familiar ..:think:

[Ammi]

...I find it so terrifying that it’s being said 40% of American people agree with Trump ...I mean Trump is Trump and it’s easy to see what he is and who he is...but that’s a staggering amount of voices who match his...when those in agreement really think about what he’s said then they’re approving those who they may work with or who may be neighbours ...people they may have known all of their lives to ‘go back home’...if that’s an accurate representation of America’s voice, rather than just Trump’s voice...then it’s easy to see how eyes and ears can be closed to the conditions of those camps and the children in them...I fear for years to come there are going to be so many children still searching for their parent’s and so many parents still searching for their children while people cheered ‘go back home’...and he dares lay criticism at other countries ...

[GiRTh]

2 officers fired for Facebook post suggesting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "needs a round"

After reading a false headline on Facebook, a Louisiana police officer suggested Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-New York, should be shot. His Facebook post, which was spotted by the news site NOLA.com over the weekend, comes amid heightened scrutiny of racist and violent social media posts from police officers nationwide.

Gretna Police Department officer Charlie Rispoli shared a fake news story with a headline that quoted Ocasio-Cortez as saying U.S. soldiers are "getting paid too much." Snopes.com disproved the story as completely fabricated, but Rispoli went ahead and shared it on his Facebook page with a threatening comment.

"This vile idiot needs a round... and I don't mean the kind she used to serve," he wrote, referring to the freshman congresswoman's previous job as a bartender, while also insinuating Ocasio-Cortez should be shot.

"These officers certainly acted in a manner which was unprofessional alluding to a violent act to be conducted against a sitting U.S. congressman," Lawson said.

Lawson told NOLA.com over the weekend that he was "not going to take this lightly and this will be dealt with on our end." Rispoli has been with the department since 2005. Lawson said he does not think the comment is an actual threat, but that it appeared to violate the department's social media policy.

"Whether you agree or disagree with the message of these elected officials and how frustrated you may or may not get, this certainly is not the type of thing that a public servant should be posting," Lawson said.

The post was taken down by Friday afternoon, and Rispoli's page was down by Saturday, NOLA.com reported. CBS News reached out to the Gretna police department for further comment.

Rispoli's post comes as law enforcement agencies across the U.S. are reviewing troubling social media posts by officers that were compiled by a watchdog group called The Plain View Project. Investigations are underway in all eight jurisdictions the group reviewed, the Plain View Project told CBS News, including Philadelphia and Dallas.

Ocasio-Cortez is one of four progressive congresswomen of color known as "the Squad" who have become a target for President Trump and his supporters. During a meeting with Pakistan's prime minister at the White House Monday, Mr. Trump continued his attacks, calling the congresswomen "bad for the country."


2 officers fired for Facebook post suggesting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "needs a round" (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charlie-rispoli-lousiana-gretna-city-police-department-officer-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/)

[Twosugars]

2 officers fired for Facebook post suggesting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "needs a round"




2 officers fired for Facebook post suggesting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "needs a round" (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/charlie-rispoli-lousiana-gretna-city-police-department-officer-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/)

American police, a branch of KKK, folks

[GiRTh]

The strategy's working, these four women are now a target.

[Oliver_W]

American police, a branch of KKK, folks
They were (rightly) fired for saying what they did ... Worst. KKK. Ever.

[Twosugars]

If something happens to them that pathetic excuse for a man will have blood on his hands

[Kizzy]

If something happens to them that pathetic excuse for a man will have blood on his hands

No doubt at all about that 2s.

[Oliver_W]

An otherwise normal cop wouldn't even think of turning their gun onto an innocent politician simply because the President said dumb things about them. If a cop decides to kill one of #TheSquad, it's on whoever pulled the trigger.

[Ammi]

...first there was chanting..and then....

[Ammi]

...all inspired by the Grand President of the USA...

[Crimson Dynamo]

American police, a branch of KKK, folks


:facepalm:

[Nicky91]

American police, a branch of KKK, folks

doesn't surprise me, you got quite a lot of racist idiot police officers in america honestly

:idc:

good that these got fired, when hopefully democrats retake power in america that police section needs a huge clean up, no more racists in law enforcement pls

[Crimson Dynamo]

doesn't surprise me, you got quite a lot of racist idiot police officers in america honestly

:idc:

good that these got fired, when hopefully democrats retake power in america that police section needs a huge clean up, no more racists in law enforcement pls

what about the racists in the medical profession and the ones in the legal profession?

[Kazanne]

If something happens to them that pathetic excuse for a man will have blood on his hands

So are you saying people are not responsible for their own actions and thoughts ? a bit like the UK ,if anything goes wrong , blame the government, of course the perpetrators are never to blame ,ah well it will give plenty something else to moan about.

[Kazanne]

:facepalm:

:laugh::laugh: some people have been watching too many movies LT.:wavey:

[Kazanne]

An otherwise normal cop wouldn't even think of turning their gun onto an innocent politician simply because the President said dumb things about them. If a cop decides to kill one of #TheSquad, it's on whoever pulled the trigger.

Exactly, too many eager to blame anyone else but the perbortarors.:wavey:

[Nicky91]

what about the racists in the medical profession and the ones in the legal profession?

them too, no racists there either

[Crimson Dynamo]

them too, no racists there either

what about in ones in the democratic party?

[Nicky91]

:laugh::laugh: some people have been watching too many movies LT.:wavey:

oh yeah Kaz, really it's seems quite coincidental unarmed black people getting shot by police officers in america

or police officers here in my country sitting on top of a unarmed black person, while he shouts 7 times ''i can't breathe''

and i've seen up close, a unarmed guy with autism who lives across where i live in a apartment was smothered to death by police officers, they sat on top of him for like 20 to 25 minutes

[Nicky91]

what about in ones in the democratic party?

:conf:

the only thing what i know most in there are against is Trump and other rich people who don't pay enough tax

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/49758/menken-rep-omars-anti-israel-resolution-proves-rabbi-yaakov-menken?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

[Kazanne]

oh yeah Kaz, really it's seems quite coincidental unarmed black people getting shot by police officers in america

or police officers here in my country sitting on top of a unarmed black person, while he shouts 7 times ''i can't breathe''

and i've seen up close, a unarmed guy with autism who lives across where i live in a apartment was smothered to death by police officers, they sat on top of him for like 20 to 25 minutes

A random few cops , the majority of policemen are good people don't tar them all with the same brush ,and while, its unfortunate some people die,many policemen and women have died in the line of duty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh yeah Kaz, really it's seems quite coincidental unarmed black people getting shot by police officers in america

or police officers here in my country sitting on top of a unarmed black person, while he shouts 7 times ''i can't breathe''

and i've seen up close, a unarmed guy with autism who lives across where i live in a apartment was smothered to death by police officers, they sat on top of him for like 20 to 25 minutes

"they sat on top of him for like 20 to 25 minutes"

have you a link or any evidence to support that claim?

[Nicky91]

A random few cops , the majority of policemen are good people don't tar them all with the same brush ,and while, its unfortunate some people die,many policemen and women have died in the line of duty.

no but they all stick up for each other :idc:

but don't be sad Kaz, police never get charged for anything, they are above the law themselves :bored:

[Tom4784]

So are you saying people are not responsible for their own actions and thoughts ? a bit like the UK ,if anything goes wrong , blame the government, of course the perpetrators are never to blame ,ah well it will give plenty something else to moan about.

Well.... Yes, if something goes wrong we generally do look to the people in charge Kazanne...... JFC.....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well.... Yes, if something goes wrong we generally do look to the people in charge Kazanne...... JFC.....

no we dont

[Twosugars]

no we dont

In this case we will
Trump will have blood on his tiny fat hands

[Crimson Dynamo]

In this case we will
Trump will have blood on his tiny fat hands

if by being mean about someones hands it makes you feel better...


what next are you going to be mean about their skin colour or their age or their gender?

because they are all things they cant help

[Nicky91]

if by being mean about someones hands it makes you feel better...


what next are you going to be mean about their skin colour or their age or their gender?

because they are all things they cant help

as for his orange skin colour well he could've stayed off the tan honestly, so he could've prevented that

[Tom4784]

no we dont

Yes, we do. If the leadership of a country is putting out rhetoric that could inspire violence then the blood is on their hands as much as the person who committed the violence.

If someone's in charge and something goes terribly wrong in a way that they likely brought about, you would hold them responsible, no?

Trying to shield governments from criticism is pointless. Dissent is the ultimate form of patriotism.

[Twosugars]

as for his orange skin colour well he could've stayed off the tan honestly, so he could've prevented that

and drop that ridiculous comb-over

[Kazanne]

no but they all stick up for each other :idc:

but don't be sad Kaz, police never get charged for anything, they are above the law themselves :bored:

Yes they do get charged for crimes,so stop fabricating .

[Kazanne]

as for his orange skin colour well he could've stayed off the tan honestly, so he could've prevented that

Whats his skin colour got to do with anything, I see loads of tanned people around and over tanned , whats the problem, do you not like the colour ? people lose their arguments when they start calling peoples appearances.

[Kizzy]

Whats his skin colour got to do with anything, I see loads of tanned people around and iver tanned , whats the problem, do you not like the colour ? people lose their arguments when they start calling peoples appearances.

Like saying people look like letterboxes and that?....

[Tom4784]

Yes they do get charged for crimes,so stop fabricating .

Most of the time they don't though or they'll get slap on the wrists which they wouldn't get if they committed these same crimes as civilians. It's really rare for these incidents of police misconduct or police brutality to conclude with the same justice that would come about if they weren't police officers.

They always get treated with more respect then the people they hurt and kill.

[Kizzy]

Yes they do get charged for crimes,so stop fabricating .

Look how many autistic, mentally ill and epileptic people have died in restraint. Were many charged?

[Kazanne]

Look how many autistic, mentally ill and epileptic people have died in restraint. Were many charged?

There are bad apples in all professions ,to say none of them get charged is wrong.

[Kazanne]

Like saying people look like letterboxes and that?....

I never said it wasn't :shrug:

[Tom4784]

Look how many autistic, mentally ill and epileptic people have died in restraint. Were many charged?

It's becoming more common to see autistic people have to take precautions against police officers in the US, I've seen a lot of stories where homes with autistic residences put signs up outside to make sure the police know and even then you still hear brutality stories.

The whole '#bluelivesmatter' movement is just dumb. With authority comes responsibility and officers who are not up to the task shouldn't be protected by ignorant people making out that punishing those that defy the law is the same as judging all officers as the same.

[Kizzy]

There are bad apples in all professions ,to say none of them get charged is wrong.

Have you read of any bad apples being charged?

[Kizzy]

I never said it wasn't :shrug:

people lose their arguments when they start calling peoples appearances.

If its good enough for the pm though?...

[lime]

100% Whats causing it, people are sick and tired of it and esp when a working man sees what they get for free that he has to work overtime for

I trully beleive no one can make another racist ..they are what what they are.Who is they you talk about??Don't know why you only mention "working man".I work just as hard as my husband.