Theresa May - Worst PM in British history?

[bots]

I think so, i'm struggling to think of a single thing she has handled competently. Poll incoming

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[Beso]

She didn't lie to us so she could start a war so no...I doubt she is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

+1

[Cherie]

She has introduced a milkshake tax :hehe:

I think it is unfair to judge her as the worst, she took over at the worst possible time when literally no one else stood up to the plate so she should be applauded for that at the very least, and yeah she didn't take us to war :laugh:

[Kazanne]

To be fair she was kind of overtaken by Brexit to do much else,I think she was ok but needed to do what the people voted for.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets not forget how bad Gordon Brown was

[Toy Soldier]

She has been ineffective but her hands have been tied by Brexit and the disteibutiin of MPs in Parliament. Under identical circumstances and party numbers, no one could really have done differently.

It is the most laughable and incompetent overall government, though.

But hey... We haven't had Boris yet so let's not jump the gun.

[Twosugars]

She reduced her own majority by calling general election

But let's wait for the blond clown antics before deciding :dance:

[Northern Monkey]

She has been ineffective but her hands have been tied by Brexit and the disteibutiin of MPs in Parliament. Under identical circumstances and party numbers, no one could really have done differently.

It is the most laughable and incompetent overall government, though.

But hey... We haven't had Boris yet so let's not jump the gun.

This really.It was a poisoned chalice for anyone.

However.Theresa has made some fatal errors which put her in the weak position she was in.

The snap election to try and strengthen her position after saying there would be no election.
Then after calling the election totally f’king up her campaign.
It should’ve been an easy win against Labour.They were against the ropes.All she had to do was run a competent middle of the road campaign and she had it in the bag.
But no,Theresa decided to try and introduce some dementia tax for social care and then had to do U-turn part way through her campaign and pretend nothing had changed.
Then she starts flirting with fox hunting again.
How the hell did she manage to make herself nearly as unpopular as Corbyn?

She’s probably at least the worst PM in recent history.

[Toy Soldier]

For me it's a stretch to believe that the snap election was really May's idea or that she had any meaningful say in whether or not it was happening, however, yes, some of the unpopular stuff she came out with at the time (e.g.fox hunting) was mind-boggling. WHY would anyone bring up fox hunting when running an election campaign? Surely they know the idea is only going to be popular with an absolutely miniscule niche? Just odd.

[Nicky91]

She reduced her own majority by calling general election

But let's wait for the blond clown antics before deciding :dance:

BspsgERuTuU

he isn't prime minister yet, but there are already protests ongoing against him :laugh2:

[chuff me dizzy]

Blair was worse than her

[chuff me dizzy]

lets not forget how bad Gordon Brown was

Yes him as well as Blair

[Liam-]

I mean, she obviously completely bungled Brexit, but that was in part due to the rest of the people in government who were hell bent on not letting her do anything on the issue, she was damned either way.

However, Brexit aside, she made some bad decisions too, the Windrush scandal being one of them, the deportation of gay immigrants back to countries that will kill them, the ‘go home’ bus, her time as PM will mainly be remembered for her incompetence, but her cruelty shouldn’t be forgotten as a conciquence.

[Toy Soldier]

Yes him as well as Blair

Blair wasn't an incompetent PM or leader in the same way as May, though, so I guess it depends on what we mean by "the worst". What makes Blair "the worst" isn't the day-to-day business, it's Iraq. Which obviously was a total cluster****.

That said I still maintain that Iraq went waaay beyond party politics and it doesn't matter who was in power (in the UK or the US) at the time, there were far greater tides in motion in the early 2000's and it would have gone down in EXACTLY the same way no matter who was in The White House / No.10.

[Northern Monkey]

Blair wasn't an incompetent PM or leader in the same way as May, though, so I guess it depends on what we mean by "the worst". What makes Blair "the worst" isn't the day-to-day business, it's Iraq. Which obviously was a total cluster****.

That said I still maintain that Iraq went waaay beyond party politics and it doesn't matter who was in power (in the UK or the US) at the time, there were far greater tides in motion in the early 2000's and it would have gone down in EXACTLY the same way no matter who was in The White House / No.10.

Yep.The project for the new American Century went above any president.

[Toy Soldier]

I mean, she obviously completely bungled Brexit, but that was in part due to the rest of the people in government who were hell bent on not letting her do anything on the issue, she was damned either way.

However, Brexit aside, she made some bad decisions too, the Windrush scandal being one of them, the deportation of gay immigrants back to countries that will kill them, the ‘go home’ bus, her time as PM will mainly be remembered for her incompetence, but her cruelty shouldn’t be forgotten as a conciquence.

Again similar to above; I don't think anyone could have done any different re: Brexit. Parliament is stuck in quicksand with it, it's not a problem that anyone could have fixed, and it's not over yet. The idea that a new PM is going to have it sorted by October is full-on hilarious. There are literally only two possibilities in October. One is that it's still not sorted and we ask for yet more time, two is that we crash out in a disastrous slapstick fall Brexit.

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[bots]

For me it's a stretch to believe that the snap election was really May's idea or that she had any meaningful say in whether or not it was happening, however, yes, some of the unpopular stuff she came out with at the time (e.g.fox hunting) was mind-boggling. WHY would anyone bring up fox hunting when running an election campaign? Surely they know the idea is only going to be popular with an absolutely miniscule niche? Just odd.

don't forget the stitch up on the elderly either with her payments cap ... ideal vote winner :laugh:

May was entirely responsible for calling the election, nobody outside her circle of 2 others (no mp's were involved) That's why the tory mp's looked at the manifesto and said ... what? :laugh:

This is one of the main reasons i think she is the worst in history

[joeysteele]

Yes.
Up to now that is.

Worse may be coming through the door of power this week.

[reece(:]

She's diabolical but BoJo will be worse

[Oliver_W]

It's not really fair to judge, to be honest. With parliament and the EU being as uncooperative as possible over Brexit, she couldn't just get it over with and then get on with her premiership, she was shackled by that nonsense.

[Mitchell]

Not anymore!

[Nicky91]

It's not really fair to judge, to be honest. With parliament and the EU being as uncooperative as possible over Brexit, she couldn't just get it over with and then get on with her premiership, she was shackled by that nonsense.

:notimpressed: EU gave you guys a lot of time, and btw we are already long prepared for that ''no deal brexit'' so the british scare tactics towards us are irrelevant

[Mitchell]

:notimpressed: EU gave you guys a lot of time, and btw we are already long prepared for that ''no deal brexit'' so the british scare tactics towards us are irrelevant

I’m so glad that we have Angela Merkel on TiBB

[Tom4784]

It would be unfair to call her that given that I don't think anyone could have made Brexit work in that period of time given that Brexiters can't agree on what Brexit means. There's only so much a PM can do if every option that's presented is voted down, not even voting on every possibility turned up any viable options.

[Kizzy]

She's diabolical but BoJo will be worse

This

[Livia]

She didn't lie to us so she could start a war so no...I doubt she is.

Excellent point.

[Livia]

:notimpressed: EU gave you guys a lot of time, and btw we are already long prepared for that ''no deal brexit'' so the british scare tactics towards us are irrelevant

Nicky91 - the Mouthpiece of the European Union.

[Liam-]

Going out with a bang I guess

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[Twosugars]

:notimpressed: EU gave you guys a lot of time, and btw we are already long prepared for that ''no deal brexit'' so the british scare tactics towards us are irrelevant

:laugh:
Nicky, deluded brexiters believe eu will beg them on its knees to stay :laugh: they can't understand everyone in Europe is tired of their antics and can't wait for them to **** right off :hee:

[Livia]

:laugh:
Nicky, deluded brexiters believe eu will beg them on its knees to stay :laugh: they can't understand everyone in Europe is tired of their antics and can't wait for them to **** right off :hee:

And that's all of them, yes?

But not you... You imagine yourself far too clever for that. You understand Europe so much better than someone like me who voted to leave....

and you call other people deluded.

[chuff me dizzy]

:laugh:
Nicky, deluded brexiters believe eu will beg them on its knees to stay :laugh: they can't understand everyone in Europe is tired of their antics and can't wait for them to **** right off :hee:

Can I ask how old you are ?

[Kizzy]

Can I ask how old you are ?

So you can denigrate their opinion for being under 24?

[Kizzy]

And that's all of them, yes?

But not you... You imagine yourself far too clever for that. You understand Europe so much better than someone like me who voted to leave....

and you call other people deluded.

God forbid anyone should presume they know more than you on anything...I think it's good to have members from other EU states to get an objective opinion, this fetid gene pool of 'British' opinion stinks sometimes.

[Kazanne]

BspsgERuTuU

he isn't prime minister yet, but there are already protests ongoing against him :laugh2:

Who cares ? let them protest all they like, it will make not a bit of difference only some of them might get sunburnt , it's laughable how some throw their dummies out when things don't go there way, give the guy a chance at least.

[Kazanne]

:laugh:
Nicky, deluded brexiters believe eu will beg them on its knees to stay :laugh: they can't understand everyone in Europe is tired of their antics and can't wait for them to **** right off :hee:

The politition that never was :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Can I ask how old you are ?

36, self employed and a house-owner
Your point?

[Nicky91]

:laugh:
Nicky, deluded brexiters believe eu will beg them on its knees to stay :laugh: they can't understand everyone in Europe is tired of their antics and can't wait for them to **** right off :hee:

:clap1:

exactly, and next one who needs to get the hell out of our EU is Hungary after UK, since people in EU are tired of that sexist, racist bitch Orban too

[Twosugars]

And that's all of them, yes?

But not you... You imagine yourself far too clever for that. You understand Europe so much better than someone like me who voted to leave....

and you call other people deluded.

You are aware that political leaders in and out of europe including us, Japan and china said uk is better off in the eu?
Only trump and putin are in favour of brexit
All serious economists criticized the idea too.
Attack me all you want though :laugh:

[Twosugars]

The politition that never was :laugh:

What is politition?

[Kazanne]

What is politition?

Surely you are not pulling me up on a spelling error, lol, ah yes of course its TS of course you would ,is this better politician.

[Kizzy]

What is politition?

I think you're the politician that never was... for daring to have an opinion contrary to the status quo.

[Twosugars]

Surely you are not pulling me up on a spelling error, lol, ah yes of course its TS of course you would ,is this better politician.

I'm not, just wanted to check. My autocorrect gets in the way too.

I'd never go into politics, dont have it what it takes

[Ammi]

....I don’t think she’s a fair measure for judgement because of what she inherited...not the greatest PM but not the worst either, I don’t think...for me David Cameron was worse and then just dropped his hot potato...no courage at all...

[Jigs]

Nah loved her. She was a hun and a half tbh x

[James]

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[MTVN]

There's no real reason to consider her the worst ever - what's her crime apart from failing to convince parliament to back her Brexit deal? And that's not surprising with no majority and so many stubborn factions in parliament. Everyone is an expert in hindsight of how she should have done things but not many of them had better ideas at the time.

[chuff me dizzy]

Who cares ? let them protest all they like, it will make not a bit of difference only some of them might get sunburnt , it's laughable how some throw their dummies out when things don't go there way, give the guy a chance at least.

Its a pity they've no jobs to go too the lazy parasites !

[reece(:]

There's no real reason to consider her the worst ever - what's her crime apart from failing to convince parliament to back her Brexit deal? And that's not surprising with no majority and so many stubborn factions in parliament. Everyone is an expert in hindsight of how she should have done things but not many of them had better ideas at the time.
Her entire legacy will be defined as one big humiliation after another.

Windrush scandal
Grenfell handling
Got into bed with DUP, paid them off
A faction of own party tried to oust her then she pandered to them with brexit
Police cuts / knife crime pressure
55 minister resignations
Utter failure at public speeches

[bots]

Most successful leaders are not successful for the decisions they make or the situations they find themselves in, they are successful because of how they navigated it. Many PM's have had to deal with difficult situations and turned them into a success for at least a portion of the political community. May didn't succeed in pleasing anyone.

[Beso]

Sexiest...
Pm in history.

[Beso]

Her entire legacy will be defined as one big humiliation after another.

Windrush scandal
Grenfell handling
Got into bed with DUP, paid them off
A faction of own party tried to oust her then she pandered to them with brexit
Police cuts / knife crime pressure
55 minister resignations
Utter failure at public speeches




Just how instrumental was this inept woman in all that?

Taking into account she was surrounded by the vultures who ran away from the carcass then, perhaps to let it nourish itself for a final feast once it's flesh has fattened.

[Kizzy]

Thatcher without a shadow of a doubt, she set about the managed decline of every town and city outside London.

[Toy Soldier]

Thatcher without a shadow of a doubt, she set about the managed decline of every town and city outside London.Indeed. Thatcher oversaw the planting of the neoliberal seeds that are now 3 decades later really starting to fruit in spectacular style.

[Kizzy]

When do you think they'll stop putting up statues of her in the vain hope we won't notice that her policies have systematically rotted the fabric of society, manufacturing and industry in the UK?
She was an evil twisted woman who should go down as a western tyrant the impact she had for post war Britain.

[Mystic Mock]

No one is worse than David Cameron in my eyes.

[joeysteele]

No one is worse than David Cameron in my eyes.

I had had high hopes for Cameron and the coalition at first.
Then came the NHS reorganisation and degrading, humiliating worse testing of the sick and disabled.

He did however abandon his duty almost to deal with the referendum result.
So close a result 3.8%, he may have turned that round.

He was in my view only marginally better than May.

Now, hands up, I have disliked May since I came across her in politics.
Bitontheslide and I don't agree much, however he has summed all up as to her perfectly.
I think history will, to this point, record her as the worst ever to now.
You could rarely rely on a word she says.
There was to be no election she repeatedly said,then held one and lost her majority after only 2 years in to the term.

Her even more cruel and heartless discrimination against the sick and disabled, in any decent society was disgraceful.

She was too uncompromising and in my view her judgements of Ministers the worst in politics.
She's lost fair Ministers and kept, I'm sorry for this, an idiot in Chris Grayling in Cabinet through her premiership.
I see not a single positive to her but then I've been against her from me being interested in politics.

This one moving in now, could do a lot worse.
However that has yet to unfold.
If he bings back to Cabinet the people who had to quit being under a very grey cloud on their time as Ministers.
Like Patel or the truly extreme Esther McVey, then that will indicate how hardline and still heartless, his government will be.

Politics is in an almighty mess.
I hope there's no election imminent.
A hung Parliament with a number of the hateful Brexit party in it.
Would be I think a nightmare.


I wish Labour would look at supporting PR in elections, make every vote more valid and count.
Removing extremes from government for good likely.

That will never come from the Conservative party.
Never from May or Johnson.
It could be a real vote winner for the official opposition however.

So overall, I could agree Cameron was near as bad but I'm glad to see this endlessly deceitful politician, Theresa May, out at last.
For me, she should never have been a Minister ever, never mind PM.

Admittedly I'm not an unbiased view on her its fair to say..
I've never liked the woman.

[Nicky91]

i hear no one about Thatcher, who i did read was quite a controversial PM, divided a nation back in her day

[AnnieK]

i hear no one about Thatcher, who i did read was quite a controversial PM, divided a nation back in her day

Thatcher was probably the most divisive PM we ever had. People either loved or loathed her, there was very little in between. However, she was the first female PM and had balls....she made decisions and didn't pussy foot about

[joeysteele]

Thatcher was probably the most divisive PM we ever had. People either loved or loathed her, there was very little in between. However, she was the first female PM and had balls....she made decisions and didn't pussy foot about

I have to say and I was nowhere near being thought of never mind born when Thatcher was PM.

However I think she had to bring success to a failing Nation full of extremes at the time too.
The Unions had even helped bring down their own Labour government in an election year too.

I rate her privatisation policies as disastrous.

She was however a strong advocate and supporter of the EU single market.

She never attacked and humiliated the sick and disabled like the last 2 PMs have done.

However, she looked the statesperson and did represent strength.

In comparison to May she's many miles ahead of her as a competent and strong Prime Minister.
In my view anyway.

May was a disaster from day one, following on from being an awful Home secretary.
Where she even infuriated the Police force.

[bots]

Thatcher had the balls to do things that others refused to do, she was also blessed with an amazing array of talented people in her cabinet. Thatcher was instrumental in forcing the end of the cold war and the liberation of europe. The problem with Thatcher was that she didn't know when to stop, she took things too far and pushed the balance of workers versus employers in the wrong direction. She moved from listening to her cabinet to only trusting her own judgement, and that's when it all fell apart.

[joeysteele]

Thatcher had the balls to do things that others refused to do, she was also blessed with an amazing array of talented people in her cabinet. Thatcher was instrumental in forcing the end of the cold war and the liberation of europe. The problem with Thatcher was that she didn't know when to stop, she took things too far and pushed the balance of workers versus employers in the wrong direction. She moved from listening to her cabinet to only trusting her own judgement, and that's when it all fell apart.


That's a strong post.
I agree with it all.

[chuff me dizzy]

Thatcher had the balls to do things that others refused to do, she was also blessed with an amazing array of talented people in her cabinet. Thatcher was instrumental in forcing the end of the cold war and the liberation of europe. The problem with Thatcher was that she didn't know when to stop, she took things too far and pushed the balance of workers versus employers in the wrong direction. She moved from listening to her cabinet to only trusting her own judgement, and that's when it all fell apart.

Thatcher would have sorted Brexit, she took no **** off anyone

[joeysteele]

Thatcher would never have needed to deliver brexit.
She never believed in referenda which she saw as a failure of government.

Neither would she have acted on a referendum result of only a 3.8% majority.
As she dismissed when coming into power in 1979, the narrow result in favour of devolution, in the Scottish devolution referendum implemented by Labour.
She rejected acting on it and didn't accept the result.

She also I think would have got reforms in the EU, however she was a supporter and extremely strong advocate of the EU single market in any event.

[Kizzy]

She made decisions that had a multi generational impact, I don't understand the hero worship of these pig headed leaders. She surrounded herself with yes men and bully boys...and saville.

[Livia]

Which PM was it who took us to war on a lie? Who laid on the line the lives and safety of British troops? And after that bit of deceit, became a Middle East peace envoy. It's like a sick joke... Blair was the worst PM we've ever had.

[chuff me dizzy]

Which PM was it who took us to war on a lie? Who laid on the line the lives and safety of British troops? And after that bit of deceit, became a Middle East peace envoy. It's like a sick joke... Blair was the worst PM we've ever had.

Labour PM and traitor to the UK ( See the pattern here with Commie Cobyn ?) Blair ,he has thousands of young soldiers blood on his hands

[Livia]

Labour PM and traitor to the UK ( See the pattern here with Commie Cobyn ?) Blair ,he has thousands of young soldiers blood on his hands

He does. How he can hold up his head is beyond me.

[Oliver_W]

Which PM was it who took us to war on a lie? Who laid on the line the lives and safety of British troops? And after that bit of deceit, became a Middle East peace envoy. It's like a sick joke... Blair was the worst PM we've ever had.

That's a point yeah. There's a difference between "most bad" and "least good"

You could argue that May was the latter, but she certainly wasn't the former.

[Toy Soldier]

That's a point yeah. There's a difference between "most bad" and "least good"

You could argue that May was the latter, but she certainly wasn't the former.

Even in recent history I think it could be argued that Thatcher, Blair, Brown AND Cameron have all been worse than May in many ways. May is sort of unique in having been more or less a "single issue" PM - her entire time has been taken up by Brexit and everything else has sort of been sidelined, even some fairly major things.

If the vote was "most ineffective PM" on the other hand... it's hard to argue that it isn't May. She's mostly not managed to do anything at all, and the few things she's managed to act on have gone horribly for her as well as everyone else.

[chuff me dizzy]

He does. How he can hold up his head is beyond me.

How does he sleep at night ?

[Twosugars]

How does he sleep at night ?

This is what happens when a british PM gets in with an idiot US president.

Let's see what the blond clown and the orange moron cook up together:skull:

[Kizzy]

Blair is as bad I admit that.

[Tom4784]

This is what happens when a british PM gets in with an idiot US president.

Let's see what the blond clown and the orange moron cook up together:skull:

Pretty much, with our dependency on the US all but assured come October, we'll likely be marched into a war with Iran for the purpose of keeping Trump in office.

Blair was terrible but I do hope that the people who rubbish him for the reasons they do (Fair as they are) will do the same if Johnson repeats the same mistakes in leading us into another war on a lie. Hopefully they won't just play partisan and ignore such a thing just because Boris is politically alligned with them.

[Oliver_W]

Blair is as bad I admit that.

"As bad" ... How are they comparably bad?

[Denver]

Its unfair to judge May with everyone else when she didnt have the chance to have a brexit free reign

[Denver]

I think Theresa is a really nice person but lacks the strength and confidence needed and let others force her hand

[Livia]

Its unfair to judge May with everyone else when she didnt have the chance to have a brexit free reign

I think Theresa is a really nice person but lacks the strength and confidence needed and let others force her hand

I agree with both those points.

[Kizzy]

"As bad" ... How are they comparably bad?

In different respects they were both the worst...

[chuff me dizzy]

I think Theresa is a really nice person but lacks the strength and confidence needed and let others force her hand

My feelings exactly, too nice for her own good

[joeysteele]

This is what happens when a british PM gets in with an idiot US president.

Let's see what the blond clown and the orange moron cook up together:skull:


Definitely.

That was the undoing of Blair.
Mind you, I found Blair smug and infuriating.

However on the social side, he never humiliated and degraded the sick and disabled.
His pension credit brought in to help poorer pensioners.
Plus the increasing of cold weather payments and winter fuel allowance.

Also turning around the long waiting lists in the NHS.

I could go on but no doubt, running after President Bush was a major mistake.
Not that a Conservative PM wouldn't have taken us in with Bush to the 2nd Iraq conflict either.

So the likely outcome wouldn't probably have been any different.

I could never see a Conservative PM not following a Republican President of the USA.
By any means available to get support to either.

[Kizzy]

Blairs idol was thatcher, personally I think pension credit was brought in to assess the savings and assets of pensioners with a view to charge them for services in the future. Basically I believe he infiltrated labour, he was as blue as they come.

[Tom4784]

I disagree with May on everything politically but she really was put in an impossible position and made to suffer for it. Nobody could have delivered brexit in that timeframe and with such a divided Parliament and I don't think Boris will either but Boris won't get half the criticism May did.... Oh, I wonder why?

I respect her for sticking to her guns regarding brexit and weathering the storm for as long as she did.