The U.S. Supreme Court allowed President Donald Trump to begin building the wall

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/7/27/7bf98b2d377b49b6bf6605415c5e6a5b_18.jpg

The U.S. Supreme Court allowed President Donald Trump to begin
building the wall on the U.S.-Mexico border using emergency funds, lifting an
injunction Friday that had been imposed by a district court in California and
upheld by the Ninth Circuit.

After Congress refused to appropriate enough funding to build a barrier along
the border earlier this year, President Trump declared a national emergency to
allow the administration to access more money. In total, he ordered $8 billion
spent — though, only $3.6 billion needed an emergency declaration.


The president was exultant on Twitter:

Wow! Big VICTORY on the Wall. The United States Supreme Court overturns
lower court injunction, allows Southern Border Wall to proceed. Big WIN for
Border Security and the Rule of Law!

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EvergreenClosedGilamonster-small.gif

The decision was largely along partisan lines, with all five Republican-
appointed justices voting to lift the injunction, while all three liberal justices
were opposed. Justice Stephen Breyer sought to have it both ways, allowing
the process to go forward but not the construction: “There is a
straightforward way to avoid harm to both the Government and respondents
while allowing the litigation to proceed. Allowing the Government to finalize
the contracts at issue, but not to begin construction, would al- leviate the
most pressing harm claimed by the Government without risking irreparable
harm to respondents.”


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2019/07/supreme-court-lets-trump-military-funds-border-wall-190727055453344.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49135255
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/07/26/supreme-court-lets-trump-build-the-wall-lifts-injunction/

[arista]

Yes they like a Wall in Texas
slows down the illegals.

[Twosugars]

Thanks to the right wing judges he picked. I'm shocked.

Breitbart as news source again :laugh:

[Nicky91]

now come on Donnie, put the first section of the wall up yourself

it's your wall after all you've fought and cried over for a very long time, so show some initiative and other workers will follow you

[Tom4784]

A ridiculous waste of money that just shows the Right Wing have turned the Supreme Court into a tool to push their bull****. Using Emergency funds to do it is just beyond gross.

[Crimson Dynamo]

now come on Donnie, put the first section of the wall up yourself

it's your wall after all you've fought and cried over for a very long time, so show some initiative and other workers will follow you

Nicky he is in his 70s

heave a heart?

[bots]

they haven't spent the money allocated for the wall in 2018 yet, so it's all a bit premature :laugh:

[Nicky91]

Nicky he is in his 70s

heave a heart?

well he is currently at a stressful job as leader of the free world

and his medical check up was fine, the other day what we heard

[Oliver_W]

FINALLY!

[Shaun]

So Mexico aren't paying for it, then? :hehe:

[Marsh.]

Building a step for the Mexicans. :love:

[Tom4784]

FINALLY!

You're happy about money that's used for emergencies being wasted on a wall that is essentially a monument to the worst president the US will ever have?

[Liam-]

Cause **** the hurricanes, earthquakes and wildfires right? Gotta keep out those Mexicans.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cause **** the hurricanes, earthquakes and wildfires right? Gotta keep out those Mexicans.

that does not make any sense ?

[Tom4784]

that does not make any sense ?

Ignoring the fact that Trump went back on his word to make Mexico pay for the wall and is instead using funds from the emergency fund (that is both used to help prepare areas for natural disasters and to aid in their recovery) doesn't make it so that Liam isn't speaking sense, it just means you are ignoring facts that don't benefit your views.

[Oliver_W]

You're happy about money that's used for emergencies being wasted on a wall that is essentially a monument to the worst president the US will ever have?

Limiting illegal migration to the USA will mean fewer people are held in the detention centres. Surely that's a good thing?

[Marsh.]

Limiting illegal migration to the USA will mean fewer people are held in the detention centres. Surely that's a good thing?

Nobody has a problem with immigration procedures. Humane immigration procedures.

An expensive and even more pointless wall that serves no purpose and is using emergency funds is nothing more than an ego trip.

[Livia]

he current system is clearly not working well. Like Oliver says, completing the wall will mean no detention centres. People from poor countries will always try to get into richer, developed countries. There isn't enough room for everyone.

After the conquistadors, maybe Mexico and others should be thinking about asking Spain for help? Like countries once in the Empire and now in the Commonwealth? We're constantly told we're responsible for all the ills in these countries why is Spain not getting it in the neck? It makes as much sense as blaming any other country who once had an empire.

[Livia]

My husband is Texan. He hates Trump... but he does say that illegal immigration is a massive problem. And I believe him.

[Marsh.]

he current system is clearly not working well. Like Oliver says, completing the wall will mean no detention centres. People from poor countries will always try to get into richer, developed countries. There isn't enough room for everyone.

Of course a solution needs to be found. But is this wall that solution? Not very likely.

And using the country's emergency funds? It's just barbaric tbh.

[chuff me dizzy]

He is fulfilling a promise he made to the American people ,what's not to applaud by him doing this ?

[Tom4784]

Limiting illegal migration to the USA will mean fewer people are held in the detention centres. Surely that's a good thing?

Except most security experts agree that a wall would do nothing and so it's essentially a monument to Trump's incompetence that will eat up money that should be used for disaster relief.

'If we build a wall that won't do anything then we'll have no need for concentration camps!' What kind of grim ****ing dystopia? It's also a useless statement since people are being detained in these camps when they try to seek immigration legally, hell, there are incidents in which US citizens have been detained in these camps for weeks based purely on their race.

How about the US do that they wrote into their own law and adhere to the Flores Agreement? Every other president has had to deal with immigration crises and none of them have ever resorted to concentration camps. No amount of spin can change the fact that what is going on in the US is rotten and is a result of the current administration's continued racism and dehumanisation of non-white immigrants.

[Marsh.]

He is fulfilling a promise he made to the American people ,what's not to applaud by him doing this ?

He's not fulfilled a single promise. He promised the American people they wouldn't pay a cent for it.

[Tom4784]

He is fulfilling a promise he made to the American people ,what's not to applaud by him doing this ?

He isn't fulfilling a promise, Mexico isn't paying for it and the money is coming out of the emergency fund, a fund that is used to help areas in the US recover from natural disasters and these disasters happen every year, it's not a rainy day fund that Trump can dip into guilt free because it's never used. It's used frequently and there's not enough money in it to begin with.

Do you think he should be applauded for taking money away from future victims who will have nothing when disaster strikes? Do you?

[Oliver_W]

Except most security experts agree that a wall would do nothing and so it's essentially a monument to Trump's incompetence that will eat up money that should be used for disaster relief.
Of course a solution needs to be found. But is this wall that solution? Not very likely.

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99% (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/), Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar % (https://en.s4c.news/2018/11/02/__trashed-3/), and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold (https://www.novinite.com/articles/168926/Turkey%e2%80%99s+Ambassador+to+Bulgaria+Voices+Dis satisfaction+with+Border+Fence).


'If we build a wall that won't do anything then we'll have no need for concentration camps!'
They're still not concentration camps :)

[Livia]

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99% (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/), Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar % (https://en.s4c.news/2018/11/02/__trashed-3/), and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold (https://www.novinite.com/articles/168926/Turkey%e2%80%99s+Ambassador+to+Bulgaria+Voices+Dis satisfaction+with+Border+Fence).


They're still not concentration camps :)

Agree with all of this 100%.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and just occassionaly, security "experts" get things wrong..

[Livia]

and just occassionaly, security "experts" get things wrong..

Yes... 'ex' as in has-been, 'spert' as in a drip under pressure.

[Tom4784]

Yes... 'ex' as in has-been, 'spert' as in a drip under pressure.

and just occassionaly, security "experts" get things wrong..

The arrogance of tossing aside widespread expert opinions because they don't suit your agenda.

[Tom4784]

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99% (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/), Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar % (https://en.s4c.news/2018/11/02/__trashed-3/), and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold (https://www.novinite.com/articles/168926/Turkey%e2%80%99s+Ambassador+to+Bulgaria+Voices+Dis satisfaction+with+Border+Fence).


They're still not concentration camps :)

Again, you speak out more against the term 'concentration camp' then you ever have of the cruelty that goes on within them. Says it all really.

Your stats also operate under the assumption that everyone in these concentration camps are illegal immigrants, they are not always. People seeking legal migration or asylum are also placed in these camps, as are latin people that ICE suspects of being illegal based purely on their race.

There's also vital difference between those examples you've listed and the US, the mere size of the borders. A wall of brick or mortar will never be effective because the US/Mexico border is too big to man a wall properly. There was a republican Governer, I believe, I ccan't recall his name but he completely shat on the idea of the wall because it wouldn't do anything unless it was manned and doing so would be impossible. He instead offered up the idea of a digital wall that would be cheaper and more effective at identifying smugglers and illegal immigrants.

But then again, focusing on illegal immigrants doesn't really reflect the full image of who is incarcerated at these concentration camps. A wall won't stop the US from flouting the Flores Agreement and detaining immigrants who are trying to seek asylum or start a life in the US legally. The illegal reasoning is just an excuse to dehumanise the people whose human rights are being eroded.

[Livia]

They're still not concentration camps :)

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

[Tom4784]

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

The lack of awareness is ridiculous, truly laughable.

So focusing on a name and screeching 'It's not a concentration camp!' instead of the abuse that goes on within isn't a diversionary tactic in your blinkered view but pointing out that focusing on the name instead of the abuses is a diversionary tactic?

What the **** am I creating a diversion about exactly? Explain it to me. I'm highllighting the abuse in these camps after all, do you think human rights abuse is a diversion and the real issue is what we call the camps that enable these abuses? Because if you do... I don't need to say a godamn thing because your words speak for themselves.

Also, it's so obvious you're reading my posts given how pointed your post was so be mature and actually respond for once instead of pretending you are actually ignoring anyone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The arrogance of tossing aside widespread expert opinions because they don't suit your agenda.

you have not provided any just alluded to it. expert security opinion led us into a war in Iraq

[Oliver_W]

you have not provided any just alluded to it. expert security opinion led us into a war in Iraq
Google it!! Do your own research to back up everything you're told!!


What the **** am I creating a diversion about exactly? Explain it to me. I'm highllighting the abuse in these camps after all
I don't think you've ever actually described the abuse which happens in the facilities? Help us understand why you think they're concentration camps?

[Marsh.]

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99% (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/), Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar % (https://en.s4c.news/2018/11/02/__trashed-3/), and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold (https://www.novinite.com/articles/168926/Turkey%e2%80%99s+Ambassador+to+Bulgaria+Voices+Dis satisfaction+with+Border+Fence).

Yeah. We'll see.

They don't even have enough money to build any form of substantial barrier across the entire border so good luck with that little fantasy.

[Marsh.]

Google it!! Do your own research to back up everything you're told!!

Why not? People have to do their own research and provide their own sources every time LT creates a thread.

[Marsh.]

People know that, that's why they use the term even though it's wrong. And they accuse you of reacting more to the word than the actual problem. Diversionary tactics of the most basic kind.

Almost as diversionary as this...

Yes... 'ex' as in has-been, 'spert' as in a drip under pressure.

[Livia]

Almost as diversionary as this...

Oh come on... that was funny! I'm going to keep on posting it till you laugh....

[Oliver_W]

There's also vital difference between those examples you've listed and the US, the mere size of the borders. A wall of brick or mortar will never be effective because the US/Mexico border is too big to man a wall properly. There was a republican Governer, I believe, I ccan't recall his name but he completely shat on the idea of the wall because it wouldn't do anything unless it was manned and doing so would be impossible. He instead offered up the idea of a digital wall that would be cheaper and more effective at identifying smugglers and illegal immigrants.

Yeah. We'll see.

They don't even have enough money to build any form of substantial barrier across the entire border so good luck with that little fantasy.

It doesn't necessarily need to stretch across the entire border, but if it blocks off the main routes, it should be effective enough. Maybe it could be electrified or have some kind of barbed wire and anti-climb paint.

[Marsh.]

Oh come on... that was funny! I'm going to keep on posting it till you laugh....

Well tbf, that's not the point. You can't lambast a FM for diverting from a point when you're doing it yourself madam. :nono:

[Marsh.]

It doesn't necessarily need to stretch across the entire border, but if it blocks off the main routes, it should be effective enough. Maybe it could be electrified or have some kind of barbed wire and anti-climb paint.

Yeah, let's electrocute them. :umm2:

"The main routes" Lol. And when the main routes cease being the main routes? Is the wall on wheels?

[Nicky91]

It doesn't necessarily need to stretch across the entire border, but if it blocks off the main routes, it should be effective enough. Maybe it could be electrified or have some kind of barbed wire and anti-climb paint.

:umm2: oh electrocute them is good suddenly


why not a sort of toll section at the wall, make money out of them if they insist on visiting the US and only make them visit on tourist passports not work visa's

i've seen on border security, with tourist visa's/passports you cannot work in that country you visit, for work you need an extra working visa for a specific number of days so they can just revoke working rights, that should stop them from living in US but still good for tourism income for US

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, let's electrocute them. :umm2:

:umm2: oh electrocute them is good suddenly

No they'd electrocute themselves, I don't condone forcing them to try and break in.

[bots]

the main routes for narcotics are through points of entry, so a wall makes no difference ... but there will be a nice wall with slats so it's all cool :laugh:

[Marsh.]

the main routes for narcotics are through points of entry, so a wall makes no difference ... but there will be a nice wall with slats so it's all cool :laugh:

Blown down by the next hurricane and then unable to be repaired because he's blown the funds. :joker:

[Beso]

Another trump idea that's making America great again.

[Kizzy]

Walls work.

The border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99% (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/), Hungary found erecting a border wall cut illegal immigration by a similar % (https://en.s4c.news/2018/11/02/__trashed-3/), and Bulgaria's border wall saw illegals decrease seven-fold (https://www.novinite.com/articles/168926/Turkey%e2%80%99s+Ambassador+to+Bulgaria+Voices+Dis satisfaction+with+Border+Fence).


They're still not concentration camps :)

What's your source?... breitbart?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What's your source?... breitbart?

its there in front of you Politifact?

[Oliver_W]

What's your source?... breitbart?

Once source for each stat, the underline parts are links you Boomer ;)

[Marsh.]

I take it the Mexicans will handle the leccy bill?

[arista]

I take it the Mexicans will handle the leccy bill?


Nope

[Kizzy]

Once source for each stat, the underline parts are links you Boomer ;)

Boomer?.... my son calls me that when he want to pee me off I'm gen X!! Ok?
I knew the links were there.. I was just making a point that the advocation of that kind of segregation was slightly right of right wing :smug:

[Marsh.]

Slightly? That's an understatement.

[Oliver_W]

Boomer?.... my son calls me that when he want to pee me off I'm gen X!! Ok?
If it makes you feel better ;)

I was just making a point that the advocation of that kind of segregation was slightly right of right wing :smug:
Absolutely no-one has been advocating segregation, and having borders isn't inherently right wing, just like supporting immigration isn't left wing.

[Tom4784]

you have not provided any just alluded to it. expert security opinion led us into a war in Iraq

Lies by the governments on both sides of the atlantic led us into the war with Iraq, get it right. There were a lot of expert sceptics out there throughout the whole thing.

Google it!! Do your own research to back up everything you're told!!



I don't think you've ever actually described the abuse which happens in the facilities? Help us understand why you think they're concentration camps?

It should be easy enough to google but since you want to be lazy... At least 6 children have died in ICE custody in roughly a year I believe? I believe before that, a child hadn't died in custody in over ten years. At least six children in a relatively small time frame, that should set off alarms, should it not?

Also, The US citizen who was falsely detained in one of these camps for three weeks confirmed reports of abuse, he wasn't allowed to shower for his entire stay and they withheld things that should have been covered in the Flores Agreement. We also know from people who have inspected the sites that the guards are abusive (they bragged about it to these inspectors no less) and that prisoners have been forced to drink out of toilets because water is otherwise withheld. Children and Pregnant women have been forced to sleep outside without cover or alternatively on the floor and families are STILL being split up for no good reason. Plus you have the whole hidden group that had thousands of ICE members posting racist memes and laughing about the abuse the people they should be caring for have suffered.

You can either accept it or deny it but all it takes is for you to actually do a google search for yourself to see it but I don't think you want to see it.

As I said before, I refuse to do research for people who will disregard it based on their agenda.

[Kizzy]

If it makes you feel better ;)


Absolutely no-one has been advocating segregation, and having borders isn't inherently right wing, just like supporting immigration isn't left wing.

It does...
Borders and walls are not the same thing...you can have borders without walls.

[Vicky.]

Sure this was a storyline on house of cards, except the emergency fund as raided to..well help people get jobs (or/and the president stay in power, or something) rather than it pretty much literally being pissed up the wall

[Marsh.]

Sure this was a storyline on house of cards, except the emergency fund as raided to..well help people get jobs (or/and the president stay in power, or something) rather than it pretty much literally being pissed up the wall

:joker:

[Tom4784]

Sure this was a storyline on house of cards, except the emergency fund as raided to..well help people get jobs (or/and the president stay in power, or something) rather than it pretty much literally being pissed up the wall

Even before the Kevin Spacey scandal, that show suffered for the fact that reality had become stranger than fiction :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Borders and walls are not the same thing...you can have borders without walls.

True, but using physical barriers to mark and maintain borders isn't akin to segregation.

[Marsh.]

True, but using physical barriers to mark and maintain borders isn't akin to segregation.

It's literally the definition of the word.

[Oliver_W]

It's literally the definition of the word.

Segregation is typically used to describe separating races within the same country (like the busses), not separating different countries.

[Marsh.]

Segregation is typically used to describe separating races within the same country (like the busses), not separating different countries.

Segregation means to separate one group of people from another.

[Kizzy]

Segregation means to separate one group of people from another.

It's ok Marsh he's using the far right definition...

[Oliver_W]

Segregation means to separate one group of people from another.

They're allowed to use legal routes to get from one country to another, using barriers to uphold boundaries between countries shouldn't be classes as segregation, unless we're going to say the concept of having individual countries is segregation.

[user104658]

THE ACTUAL SEA hasn't stopped illegal immigration into the uk but people are arguing blue in the face that a 18ft wall is going to obliterate immigration into the US by 99%? Its a joke. But I just can't even find it funny any more because its so ****ing sad.

[Oliver_W]

THE ACTUAL SEA hasn't stopped illegal immigration into the uk but people are arguing blue in the face that a 18ft wall is going to obliterate immigration into the US by 99%? Its a joke. But I just can't even find it funny any more because its so ****ing sad.

See the stats I posted upthread. Walls have historically worked in other countries, so if a wall was designed for that specific area, no reason it wouldn't work.

And the sea isn't much of a barrier if people keep bloody helping the illegals break in :joker:

[user104658]

You have two possibilities.

One, the whole thing is fully patrolled from end to end. Which has been confirmed to be logistically impossible in terms of cost and manpower.

Two, the whole thing isn't manned and its constantly being punched full of holes and in an endless cycle of repair for a couple of years, costing more billions, until Trump is out of office and repairs are abandonned leaving a big ol' untold-billions-of-dollars lump of metal swiss cheese running across the US-Mexico border.

Experts know this. COMMON SENSE dictates this. But nah who needs experts or common sense let's just get that bad boy up yeeeeehaaawwww show dem Mexicans whut frr.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You have two possibilities.

One, the whole thing is fully patrolled from end to end. Which has been confirmed to be logistically impossible in terms of cost and manpower.

Two, the whole thing isn't manned and its constantly being punched full of holes and in an endless cycle of repair for a couple of years, costing more billions, until Trump is out of office and repairs are abandonned leaving a big ol' untold-billions-of-dollars lump of metal swiss cheese running across the US-Mexico border.

Experts know this. COMMON SENSE dictates this. But nah who needs experts or common sense let's just get that bad boy up yeeeeehaaawwww show dem Mexicans whut frr.

Just speculation TS
Nothing more. What is your SOLUTION!
??????

[user104658]

See the stats I posted upthread. Walls have historically worked in other countries, so if a wall was designed for that specific area, no reason it wouldn't work.



And the sea isn't much of a barrier if people keep bloody helping the illegals break in :joker:They can't realistically afford to properly man or fully maintain it even in the short term and definitely won't as soon as Trump is out. It is a colossal, if not criminal, waste of funds on a vanity project.

[Oliver_W]

Maybe instead of a wall they could do the opposite - a moat :D

Make it twelve feet deep, twenty feet wide, and use the dug up mud (or whatever) to build a barrier on the USA side. Fill the moat with alligators <3

[user104658]

Just speculation TS

Nothing more. What is your SOLUTION!

??????I don't have a solution to global warming either LT but if someone starts saying that we should all make some ice cubes and throw them in the sea I'm going to call them a ****ing idiot.

[Marsh.]

They're allowed to use legal routes to get from one country to another, using barriers to uphold boundaries between countries shouldn't be classes as segregation, unless we're going to say the concept of having individual countries is segregation.

Barriers that serve no purpose other than a futile attempt to "keep the brown people out". Damn right it is.

[Oliver_W]

Barriers that serve no purpose other than a futile attempt to "keep the brown people out". Damn right it is.

They don't have to be kept out, they just need to migrate in a normal way:)

It's a bit weird you're bringing skin colour into it, when that's not the issue.

We just wanna keep them out of the detention centres :)

[Marsh.]

It's a bit weird you're bringing skin colour into it, when that's not the issue.


Really? Because the only immigration Trump has a problem with is the migration of non-white people. To state otherwise is a lie.

Hence the only solution he has is to build a cage around Mexico.


We just wanna keep them out of the detention centres :)

The fact you know this is a ridiculous comment via use of that smiley is actually sick and not funny in the slightest.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't have a solution to global warming either LT but if someone starts saying that we should all make some ice cubes and throw them in the sea I'm going to call them a ****ing idiot.

That comparison doesn't work I'm afraid

[Crimson Dynamo]

Really? Because the only immigration Trump has a problem with is the migration of non-white people. To state otherwise is a lie.

Hence the only solution he has is to build a cage around Mexico.



The fact you know this is a ridiculous comment via use of that smiley is actually sick and not funny in the slightest.

But you accept mexican illegal immigration and drugis a massive problem. Yes?

[Withano]

****ing idiot

[Twosugars]

Maybe instead of a wall they could do the opposite - a moat :D

Make it twelve feet deep, twenty feet wide, and use the dug up mud (or whatever) to build a barrier on the USA side. Fill the moat with alligators <3

What is it with you and your desire to kill immigrants?
First you suggested drowning them, now alligators

Hope mods are keeping an eye on you bc advocating murder must be against the forum rules

[user104658]

That comparison doesn't work I'm afraidI'm pointing out that "WUTZ UR SOLUTION THEN??" isn't a valid argument against pointing out that Trump's solution is stupid. Which really should be obvious but it's just another daft shutdown attempt isn't it. "If you can't solve all the problems then your opinion on other people's solution is not valid".

Disingenuous and dumb.

[Marsh.]

But you accept mexican illegal immigration and drugis a massive problem. Yes?

Illegal immigration is a problem for many different reasons.

That is not a Mexican-only issue. But you know that.

And it's most certainly not going to be cured by a useless wall.

[arista]

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For Two Sugars
and Kizzy.

[Kizzy]

Hahaha! Brilliant :joker: