Prince Harry on racism

[Twosugars]

Harry talks with Jane Goodall, a legendary biologist, in the September issue of Vogue guest-edited by his wife Meghan
Thoughtful prince and duchess :)





Prince Harry: unconscious bias affects whether you are racist
Perception is learned from family, advertising or surrounding environment, the duke says

Prince Harry has spoken of how “unconscious bias” can affect racism, saying that many people fail to acknowledge their own bias due to their upbringing and environment.

The Duke of Sussex made the remarks during an interview with conservationist and primatologist Jane Goodall.

He also spoke of his fears for the future of the planet, and that he and his wife planned to have a maximum of two children. Their first child, Archie, was born in May.

In the interview, printed in the September edition of British Vogue magazine which was guest-edited by the Duchess of Sussex, he and Goodall discuss how humans should live in harmony with the natural world, and aim to leave something better behind for the next generation.

Praising her work, and its focus on the younger generation, he said: “[When] you start to peel away all the layers, all the taught behaviour, the learned behaviour, the experienced behaviour … at the end of the day, we’re all humans.”

Goodall said: “Especially if you get little kids together, there’s no difference. They don’t notice: ‘my skin’s white, mine’s black’ until somebody tells them.”

Harry said: “But again, just as stigma is handed down from generation to generation, your perspective on the world and on life and on people is something that is taught to you. It’s learned from your family, learned from the older generation, or from advertising, from your environment.”

Asked whether her research on chimpanzees had affected how she felt about people, Goodall said it had shown her humans had a lot of instincts, and inherited aggressive tendencies. “They’re not learned. They’re just there,” she said.

Harry said: “It’s the same as an unconscious bias – something which so many people don’t understand, why they feel the way that they do. Despite the fact that if you go up to someone and say: ‘What you’ve just said, or the way that you’ve behaved, is racist,’ they’ll turn around and say: ‘I’m not a racist.’

I’m not saying that you’re a racist, I’m just saying that your unconscious bias is proving that, because of the way that you’ve been brought up, the environment you’ve been brought up in, suggests that you have this point of view – unconscious point of view – where naturally you will look at someone in a different way. And that is the point at which people start to have to understand.”



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/30/prince-harry-unconscious-bias-affects-people-racist

[arista]

Yes Good Views from Harry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

smh

[Marsh.]

That bolded bit is very true.

[Cherie]

They don’t notice: ‘my skin’s white, mine’s black’ until somebody tells them.”

me in the million pound gamer thread :laugh:

[GiRTh]

Interesting. :think:

[Nicky91]

Jane :love:

[Ammi]

Interesting. :think:

...yes, interesting..:laugh:...

[GiRTh]

...yes, interesting..:laugh:...Fascinating :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting. :think:

...yes, interesting..:laugh:...

Its nice in this day and age see two royalists on Tibb

:clap1:

[GiRTh]

Its nice in this day and age to see the royal family making such statements. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its nice in this day and age to see the royal family making such statements. :thumbs:

Lovely to see a supporting monarchist member

[GiRTh]

Lovely to see a supporting monarchist memberI never realised you were a royalist. When did this happen?

[GiRTh]

Harry said: “But again, just as stigma is handed down from generation to generation, your perspective on the world and on life and on people is something that is taught to you. It’s learned from your family, learned from the older generation, or from advertising, from your environment.” :clap1:

[Ammi]

Its nice in this day and age to see the royal family making such statements. :thumbs:

...yeah it’s all kinds of wonderful, Girth...to see such a prominent and popular member of the royals, address the issue of racism in such a direct way and with so much thoughtful and insightful wisdom...I guess to use a forum expression...Meghan did that..we could say...:flutter:...

[GiRTh]

...yeah it’s all kinds of wonderful, Girth...to see such a prominent and popular member of the royals, address the issue of racism in such a direct way and with so much thoughtful and insightful wisdom...I guess to use a forum expression...Meghan did that..we could say...:flutter:...I love the things he's said. Its quite difficult to break his argument down. Very thoughtful and insightful from Harry.

[joeysteele]

I'm very impressed by Prince Harry.

This is a very thoughtful speech.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm very impressed by Prince Harry.

This is a very thoughtful speech.

It's not a speech, its a pap piece piece in a rancid fashion magazine that is run by pure capitalism that exploits 3rd world countries

[Kizzy]

He's right of course ... and the worst thing is sometimes it's not even consciously you do this. There are psychological tests you can do to assess your level of bias. Harvard do one.

[joeysteele]

I love the things he's said. Its quite difficult to break his argument down. Very thoughtful and insightful from Harry.

Yes it is done in a thoughtful way.
That shines through in the words he's said.
Very impressive.

[Denver]

Is this the same guy who dressed up as a nazi?

[Marsh.]

Is this the same guy who dressed up as a nazi?

Person does something bad when immature and grows up eventually shocker.

[Denver]

Person does something bad when immature and grows up eventually shocker.

He should have been frowned up at 20

[Marsh.]

He should have been frowned up at 20

He's human. Are you really condemning him for his whole life for something he did when he was 20?

People can't make mistakes, learn and grow?

[Mystic Mock]

Is this the same guy who dressed up as a nazi?

I think that's why I find his comments interesting, he obviously must feel like at one time in his life that he had a subconscious bias, and probably didn't realise the severity of what he was doing when he jokingly wore the Nazi uniform.

Personally for me though I love trying to delve into people's psychology so Harry talking about this is highly fascinating to me.

[Swan]

I feel Sir Harry can get off his 'self righteous high horse'. I was never told or brought up to see the colour of ones skin and judge. Maybe in his privileged up bringing he was...And all this 'inspirational' PR BS is coming from a man who dressed as a Nazi, for a laugh!

Lets not be blinded by agendas here.

If you think these people are trying to be 'citizens of the world' look at the rules given to their neighbours!

[chuff me dizzy]

I feel Sir Harry can get off his 'self righteous high horse'. I was never told or brought up to see the colour of ones skin and judge. Maybe in his privileged up bringing he was...And all this 'inspirational' PR BS is coming from a man who dressed as a Nazi, for a laugh!

Lets not be blinded by agendas here.

If you think these people are trying to be 'citizens of the world' look at the rules given to their neighbours!

Totally agree Swan ,who are they to lecture ? God he's changed since he got with Meghan and not for the better

[Niamh.]

Great points made there by Harry, it's hard to admit that it's true but I do agree with him

[Ammi]

..racism and the rise in racism in the current political and social climate is something we’ve discussed so many times...but sadly with the click bait headline quality of the media, the discussions aren’t always what they could be...for Harry to talk openly about how the racist mindsets this country is still experiencing in 2019...how there are still family/environmental influences of prejudice etc...I mean even now in current times ..is just an amazing thing, he’s opening the way to conversations, proper conversations...not the click-bait stuff we’ve become accustomed to...and the response to that/to him...?...what about that nazi party dress of 15 yrs ago, how very dare you...oh my Lord in heaven, really...

[Crimson Dynamo]

bandwagonism of the worst kind

[Liam-]

Totally agree Swan ,who are they to lecture ? God he's changed since he got with Meghan and not for the better

Speaking out against racism is him changing in a negative way? :umm2:

[chuff me dizzy]

Speaking out against racism is him changing in a negative way? :umm2:

Nothing to do with "racism" he's changed as a person

[Liam-]

Nothing to do with "racism" he's changed as a person

Yep, he’s now a fully rounded grown up who knows how people should be treated, an enlightened royal is a good royal.

[Swan]

Sadly, people just cannot accept that certain people who don't fit 'their' criteria, think for themselves and don't conform to the 'how you SHOULD think and believe', are independent to all this fascist bollocks.

Im proud to admit i see people, for people, black, white, brown......Im always proud to admit that i don't give a ****e about how you feel about me because i don't conform to your hedonistic way thinking, and living.

The irony is astounding....

I am me, i am I, and i am ****ing proud!

[Swan]

You will never achieve equality by demanding it

[Niamh.]

bandwagonism of the worst kind

I don't think so, he's married a woman who is mixed race so obviously this is going to stir up new thoughts and certainly a new perspective on the subject, don't you think?

[Niamh.]

..racism and the rise in racism in the current political and social climate is something we’ve discussed so many times...but sadly with the click bait headline quality of the media, the discussions aren’t always what they could be...for Harry to talk openly about how the racist mindsets this country is still experiencing in 2019...how there are still family/environmental influences of prejudice etc...I mean even now in current times ..is just an amazing thing, he’s opening the way to conversations, proper conversations...not the click-bait stuff we’ve become accustomed to...and the response to that/to him...?...what about that nazi party dress of 15 yrs ago, how very dare you...oh my Lord in heaven, really...

Exactly he was 20 years old then, it's great to see how he's matured since then

[Niamh.]

You will never achieve equality by demanding it

Is he demanding it or speaking about it though?

[Swan]

Is he demanding it or speaking about it though?

It was a generalisation, he has a voice, granted, but who is he of all people to tell us how to 'think' and conduct ones self...

His 'actual' privileged opinion means nothing to me, because guess what, he'll be alright!

Lets have a nurse working long hours, for **** pay, writing in Vogue about the REAL world, and maybe i'll take note.

However, Harry in his ivory towers can piss right off.

[Liam-]

So only the average Joe soap can speak out against racism and it be acceptable? That’s not really how it works, the strongest voices help make change so a royal speaking out about it is a very good thing

[Swan]

So only the average Joe soap can speak out against racism and it be acceptable? That’s not really how it works, the strongest voices help make change so a royal speaking out about it is a very good thing

We'll see Harry and Megan at the next Black Lives Mater march, and Gay Pride then.

[bots]

We'll see Harry and Megan at the next Black Lives Mater march, and Gay Pride then.

and if they did, that would be up to them. They don't dictate how people should think, people don't need to take heed of anything that they do or say, so what's the problem?

[Niamh.]

It was a generalisation, he has a voice, granted, but who is he of all people to tell us how to 'think' and conduct ones self...

His 'actual' privileged opinion means nothing to me, because guess what, he'll be alright!

Lets have a nurse working long hours, for **** pay, writing in Vogue about the REAL world, and maybe i'll take note.

However, Harry in his ivory towers can piss right off.

He's a person with an opinion and he was expressing it, you don't have to listen to him but to say basically that people who are rich aren't allowed to speak is silly

[Beso]

Exactly he was 20 years old then, it's great to see how he's matured since then

He was a bloody twenty year old royal...it should have been drummed into him that the outfit was unnaceptable...and by then he should have been mature enough himself to realise how stupidly racist he was.

[Niamh.]

He was a bloody twenty year old royal...it should have been drummed into him that the outfit was unnaceptable...and by then he should have been mature enough himself to realise how stupidly racist he was.

No arguments here, I agree wholeheartedly which is why it's even more refreshing to see how far he's come and matured since then

[Swan]

He's a person with an opinion and he was expressing it, you don't have to listen to him but to say basically that people who are rich aren't allowed to speak is silly

It;s not about wealth, it's about his reality.

[Niamh.]

It;s not about wealth, it's about his reality.

Sure and don't you think marrying a mixed race woman would have had a profound effect on the reality he once knew?

[Beso]

No arguments here, I agree wholeheartedly which is why it's even more refreshing to see how far he's come and matured since then

Him being hen pecked isn't a sign of maturity in my eyes.

[Niamh.]

Him being hen pecked isn't a sign of maturity in my eyes.

I don't see him as hen pecked at all

[Livia]

Marrying a mixed race woman doesn't make him an authority on racism.

I'm willing to bet more people are against Meghan not because she's mixed race, but because she's a shameless self-promotor in the California stylie.

[Alf]

The guy is under the thumb. He needs to put his foot down and get his missus in line.

Did I read somewhere that they plan to only have 2 children, because of climate change. Harry didn't think this way before she came into his life

If Harry doesn't put his foot down, then the Queen should. .

[AnnieK]

Anything that gets people thinking or talking about issues that minority groups or the world as a whole face can only be a good thing surely? He has a massive platform to get his message across, whether you agree with it or not. In my opinion, this is what the Royals should be doing, not playing polo and going hunting. Get people talking about issues that affect us all - like it or not some people respect the Royal Family (mainly in other countries tbh) so if they take heed of what he is saying - surely it can only be a good thing, no?

[Swan]

Sure and don't you think marrying a mixed race woman would have had a profound effect on the reality he once knew?

Yes, im sure it would, so their reality then?!

Because their reality will be forever one of privileged, a life where money matters not.

[Livia]

Prince Charles has taken shtick for years because he is involved in the environment. Meghan does it and it's relevant.

How fickle are people?

[Niamh.]

Marrying a mixed race woman doesn't make him an authority on racism.

I'm willing to bet more people are against Meghan not because she's mixed race, but because she's a shameless self-promotor in the California stylie.

Of course not but it certainly would give a person a different perspective

[Niamh.]

The guy is under the thumb. He needs to put his foot down and get his missus in line.

Did I read somewhere that they plan to only have 2 children, because of climate change. Harry didn't think this way before she came into his life

If Harry doesn't put his foot down, then the Queen should. .

1954 called and they want you back

[bots]

Harry doesn't strike me as being hen pecked at all. The reality is that he was one of the most eligible bachelors in the world. The choice was his. His wealth and status put him in a position of power, not Meghan. I think people choose to use the phrase hen pecked when they don't like the persons opinion and want to blame someone else for it. Like Harry isn't capable of his own mind and choices .... That's ridiculous given what he has done for various charities around the world with his brother.

[chuff me dizzy]

The guy is under the thumb. He needs to put his foot down and get his missus in line.

Did I read somewhere that they plan to only have 2 children, because of climate change. Harry didn't think this way before she came into his life

If Harry doesn't put his foot down, then the Queen should. .

Totally agree, he's her mouthpiece and very much under her thumb ,It wont be long before the Queen steps in as she has in the past ... Double standards on climate change ! Has she forgot her private jet to USA just for a baby shower ?

[Niamh.]

Yes, im sure it would, so their reality then?!

Because their reality will be forever one of privileged, a life where money matters not.

The point is racism effects all classes, imo anyway

[Livia]

Of course not but it certainly would give a person a different perspective

Marrying an American gave me a different perspective but I don't feel qualified to apply my findings to everyone.

[Niamh.]

Harry doesn't strike me as being hen pecked at all. The reality is that he was one of the most eligible bachelors in the world. The choice was his. His wealth and status put him in a position of power, not Meghan. I think people choose to use the phrase hen pecked when they don't like the persons opinion and want to blame someone else for it. Like Harry isn't capable of his own mind and choices .... That's ridiculous given what he has done for various charities around the world with his brother.

Totally agree BOTS, always the voice of reason

[Niamh.]

Marrying an American gave me a different perspective but I don't feel qualified to apply my findings to everyone.

Well, as famous as you are on TiBB I presume in r/l you don't regularly do TV and Magazine interviews where they ask for your opinions? :p

[Swan]

My political Independence is free.........Wonder if the left would be for Harry hadn't his wife be black, and left herself.

[Livia]

I love Harry, not keen on Meghan. I wasn't bothered really when taxpayers footed the bill for their extensive house alterations despite the fact that they seem to be doing quite well financially. I don't need them to educate me on green issues, Harry's father has been doing that for decades. They say their child will be raised in private and yet they are quite happy to manipulate the press for their own issues.

[Livia]

Well, as famous as you are on TiBB I presume in r/l you don't regularly do TV and Magazine interviews where they ask for your opinions? :p

I think the word you're looking for is 'infamous'. Or so it's being spun at the moment.

[Swan]

I love Harry, not keen on Meghan. I wasn't bothered really when taxpayers footed the bill for their extensive house alterations despite the fact that they seem to be doing quite well financially. I don't need them to educate me on green issues, Harry's father has been doing that for decades. They say their child will be raised in private and yet they are quite happy to manipulate the press for their own issues.

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Anyone care to try.. honestly?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html&ved=2ahUKEwiahoLmg9_jAhUVEcAKHSqGATsQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0_JBOPkA9tKKNor9hduAHV

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone care to try.. honestly?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html&ved=2ahUKEwiahoLmg9_jAhUVEcAKHSqGATsQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0_JBOPkA9tKKNor9hduAHV

kizzy stop spamming the thread

[Kizzy]

I think the word you're looking for is 'infamous'. Or so it's being spun at the moment.

Infamy! Infamy! ....They've all got it infamy!!

[Kizzy]

kizzy stop spamming the thread

Look, this link is for people who's bias is unconscious... its not for you :smug:

[Twosugars]

Anyone care to try.. honestly?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html&ved=2ahUKEwiahoLmg9_jAhUVEcAKHSqGATsQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw0_JBOPkA9tKKNor9hduAHV

I'll do it. Thanks for this, Kizzy

[Niamh.]

Look, this link is for people who's bias is unconscious... its not for you :smug:

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for African Americans over European Americans.

[user104658]

People sure are angry about someone making a level-headed comment about subconscious racial bias. I mean I get that it's something that some will understand, and others might struggle to get their heads around but.... Outrage? Just why :joker:.

[Kizzy]

I love Harry, not keen on Meghan. I wasn't bothered really when taxpayers footed the bill for their extensive house alterations despite the fact that they seem to be doing quite well financially. I don't need them to educate me on green issues, Harry's father has been doing that for decades. They say their child will be raised in private and yet they are quite happy to manipulate the press for their own issues.

And the decision to ask the public purse for renovations will have been hers alone?...That was a genuine point for criticism the fact that happened but to point the finger at Meghan alone is silly.
As you say they are not the first royal to raise awareness so criticism there is unjustified.
Using this medium to do it is genius,the arts and fashion world have long been obsessed with young stylish royals. This is a way of giving back, they are modern royals who dont choose to sit in an ivory castle forever.
This Vogue cover has nothing to do with manipulating the press. The hacks themselves are the manipulators here.

[Kizzy]

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for African Americans over European Americans.

OK how do you feel about that... did you realise you had a slight bias towards black people Niamh?

[Livia]

kizzy stop spamming the thread

LOL... like we need a website to tell us who's racist, and how deeply, when we have all the finger pointers at TiBB!

I'm wondering if the same kind of thing exists for anti-Semitism.

[Niamh.]

OK how do you feel about that... did you realise you had a slight bias towards black people Niamh?

No not at all, I don't know how I feel about that, am I unintentionally over compensating maybe?

[Niamh.]

LOL... like we need a website to tell us who's racist, and how deeply, when we have all the finger pointers at TiBB!

I'm wondering if the same kind of thing exists for anti-Semitism.

There's a religious one on the website too

[Crimson Dynamo]

I rarely if at all see a black person in any week and could not tell you the last time I spoke with one (years) its jst not an issue that remotely comes on my radar I get its an issue in the USA but for most of the UK and Ireland out with London and Birmingham its not imo.

[Livia]

There's a religious one on the website too

Good. Because some people might not realise they're anti-Semitic and need a website quiz to tell them.

[Twosugars]

People sure are angry about someone making a level-headed comment about subconscious racial bias. I mean I get that it's something that some will understand, and others might struggle to get their heads around but.... Outrage? Just why :joker:.

I know. The vitriol... :laugh:

[Kizzy]

No not at all, I don't know how I feel about that, am I unintentionally over compensating maybe?

The idea of unconscious bias is that you're not aware of it so if you were I guess you wouldn't know?... My head hurts :(

[Twosugars]

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European Americans over African Americans.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for African Americans over European Americans" if you were faster responding when African Americans and Good are assigned to the same response key than when European Americans and Good were classified with the same key. Your score is described as an "Automatic preference for European Americans over African Americans" if the opposite occurred.

Your automatic preference may be described as "slight", "moderate", "strong", or "no preference". This indicates the strength of your automatic preference.

The IAT requires a certain number of correct responses in order to get results. If you made too many errors while completing the test you will get the feedback that there were too many errors to determine a result.

Note that your IAT result is based only on the categorization task and not on the questions that you answered.



wow, that is a clever test

so I'm unintentionally moderately racist
not surprised tbh, i was brought up in 100% white environment.
glad that i'm intentionally not racist so can compensate as much as I'm aware of it

[Crimson Dynamo]

The test doesnt work for me i cant make the e and I bit work, maybe its Firefox?

:oh:

[Kizzy]

wow, that is a clever test

so I'm unintentionally moderately racist
not surprised tbh, i was brought up in 100% white environment.
glad that i'm intentionally not racist so can compensate as much as I'm aware of it

It's really interesting isn't it? We were asked to do this on my degree course, some were stunned at their results :laugh:

[Twosugars]

The test doesnt work for me i cant make the e and I bit work, maybe its Firefox?

:oh:

I had to do it on the desktop, in chrome browser bc on the tablet the keyboard wouldn't pop up
Can't help with firefox though

[Twosugars]

It's really interesting isn't it? We were asked to do this on my degree course, some were stunned at their results :laugh:

I'm so glad you posted it!
Will have to give some thought to my result
And will do all other tests at some point

[Crimson Dynamo]

bloody hell that took ages, phew


Here is your result:

Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for Black people over White people.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Black people over White people" if you were faster responding when Black people and Good are assigned to the same response key than when White people and Good were classified with the same key. Your score is described as an "Automatic preference for White people over Black people" if the opposite occurred.

Your automatic preference may be described as "slight", "moderate", "strong", or "no preference". This indicates the strength of your automatic preference.

The IAT requires a certain number of correct responses in order to get results. If you made too many errors while completing the test you will get the feedback that there were too many errors to determine a result.

:omgno: and i promise i did it right


Harry eat your heart out

[Twosugars]

Your fetish for black disabled lesbians skewed the result LT :idc:

[Livia]

bloody hell that took ages, phew


Here is your result:

Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for Black people over White people.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Black people over White people" if you were faster responding when Black people and Good are assigned to the same response key than when White people and Good were classified with the same key. Your score is described as an "Automatic preference for White people over Black people" if the opposite occurred.

Your automatic preference may be described as "slight", "moderate", "strong", or "no preference". This indicates the strength of your automatic preference.

The IAT requires a certain number of correct responses in order to get results. If you made too many errors while completing the test you will get the feedback that there were too many errors to determine a result.

:omgno: and i promise i did it right


Harry eat your heart out

I see this in the same league as one of those multiple choice quizzes in Cosmo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see this in the same league as one of those multiple choice quizzes in Cosmo.

no that one said "you make the KKK look like the Lib Dems"

:shrug:

[Niamh.]

I rarely if at all see a black person in any week and could not tell you the last time I spoke with one (years) its jst not an issue that remotely comes on my radar I get its an issue in the USA but for most of the UK and Ireland out with London and Birmingham its not imo.

Plenty of black people in Cork now

[Kizzy]

I see this in the same league as one of those multiple choice quizzes in Cosmo.

I'm sure Harvard will be thrilled with that comparison.

[GiRTh]

I see we're now attacking Harry and Meghan. We've reached phase two in this thread :thumbs:

His comments though are hard to fault :think:

[Marsh.]

Marrying a mixed race woman doesn't make him an authority on racism.

I'm willing to bet more people are against Meghan not because she's mixed race, but because she's a shameless self-promotor in the California stylie.

Nobody said he was an authority. It's a magazine piece.

[Marsh.]

Sadly, people just cannot accept that certain people who don't fit 'their' criteria, think for themselves and don't conform to the 'how you SHOULD think and believe', are independent to all this fascist bollocks.

Im proud to admit i see people, for people, black, white, brown......Im always proud to admit that i don't give a ****e about how you feel about me because i don't conform to your hedonistic way thinking, and living.

The irony is astounding....

I am me, i am I, and i am ****ing proud!

Did Harry personally accuse you of racism?

If not, you've completely missed the point he made.

[Twosugars]

I see this in the same league as one of those multiple choice quizzes in Cosmo.

Dont worry if you got the wrong result, nobody is perfect :)

[Marsh.]

Him being hen pecked isn't a sign of maturity in my eyes.

So offensive Harry is an out of touch idiot immature royal.
Grown up mature Harry is hen pecked?

He can't win basically.

[Niamh.]

The idea of unconscious bias is that you're not aware of it so if you were I guess you wouldn't know?... My head hurts :(

I'm so confused now :laugh:

[Cherie]

bloody hell that took ages, phew


Here is your result:

Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for Black people over White people.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Black people over White people" if you were faster responding when Black people and Good are assigned to the same response key than when White people and Good were classified with the same key. Your score is described as an "Automatic preference for White people over Black people" if the opposite occurred.

Your automatic preference may be described as "slight", "moderate", "strong", or "no preference". This indicates the strength of your automatic preference.

The IAT requires a certain number of correct responses in order to get results. If you made too many errors while completing the test you will get the feedback that there were too many errors to determine a result.

:omgno: and i promise i did it right


Harry eat your heart out


well well well

[Beso]

I've been saying the same since reality TV began in the UK.

[Niamh.]

bloody hell that took ages, phew


Here is your result:

Your data suggest a strong automatic preference for Black people over White people.

Your result is described as an "Automatic preference for Black people over White people" if you were faster responding when Black people and Good are assigned to the same response key than when White people and Good were classified with the same key. Your score is described as an "Automatic preference for White people over Black people" if the opposite occurred.

Your automatic preference may be described as "slight", "moderate", "strong", or "no preference". This indicates the strength of your automatic preference.

The IAT requires a certain number of correct responses in order to get results. If you made too many errors while completing the test you will get the feedback that there were too many errors to determine a result.

:omgno: and i promise i did it right


Harry eat your heart out

That's not the wording the quiz uses :idc:

[Twosugars]

That's not the wording the quiz uses :idc:

:omgno: Niamh uncovers cheating
I'm shocked...

[GiRTh]

Well spotted Niamh. Why change the wording though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's not the wording the quiz uses :idc:

It sure is I cut and paste it

No edit

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well spotted Niamh. Why change the wording though?

I did not, it's results no edit


Looks like some people can handle the truth

[GiRTh]

Your keyboard must be magic then. :thumbs:

[Niamh.]

It sure is I cut and paste it

No edit

the wording they use is European American and African American

[Twosugars]

I did not, it's results no edit


Looks like some people can handle the truth

Why would they change the wording for you?

[GiRTh]

I did not, it's results no edit


Looks like some people can handle the truthDoesn't sound believable. Sorry. :thumbs:

[Nicky91]

i also do copy and paste and never words get changed for me :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's what I cut and paste. I am the least racist person on Tibb

Suck it up people. Harvard says so

:thumbs:

[Niamh.]

It's what I cut and paste. I am the least racist person on Tibb

Suck it up people. Harvard says so

:thumbs:

mmhhmm

[GiRTh]

It's what I cut and paste. I am the least racist person on Tibb

Suck it up people. Harvard says so

:thumbs:If you say so mate, fine. But we know though dont we :wink:

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you say so mate, fine. But we know though dont we :wink:

Feel free to contact them and ask why, I suspect it's to do with the qualifying questions. But they will tell you that is what the results say word for word, I can promise you that

:thumbs:


And I'm not your mate

[Niamh.]

Feel free to contact them and ask why, I suspect it's to do with the qualifying questions. But they will tell you that is what the results say word for word, I can promise you that

:thumbs:


And I'm not your mate

I can't believe you're still denying that you edited it. They don't use Black and white, they use European and African American. Caught.by.the.balls.

[Marsh.]

LT's computer is consciously un-PC?

[AnnieK]

Easily proved - post a screen shot :wink:

[Twosugars]

i also do copy and paste and never words get changed for me :laugh:

You need to press alt and right :hehe:

[Jordan.]

It sure is I cut and paste it

No edit

I did not, it's results no edit


Looks like some people can handle the truth

It's what I cut and paste. I am the least racist person on Tibb

Suck it up people. Harvard says so

:thumbs:

Feel free to contact them and ask why, I suspect it's to do with the qualifying questions. But they will tell you that is what the results say word for word, I can promise you that

:thumbs:


And I'm not your mate

_nSRYE3lxFs

[Twosugars]

Easily proved - post a screen shot :wink:

Sure, once he learns HTML :laugh:

[user104658]

Hahaha, this is gold.

[Redway]

smh

Why are you shaking your head?

[Marsh.]

Why are you shaking your head?

He's shaking TS' ham.

[user104658]

He's shaking TS' ham.Stroking*

[Marsh.]

Stroking*

I do apologise.

[user104658]

I do apologise.It is a gentle arrangement and you made it sound quite aggressive actually

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't believe you're still denying that you edited it. They don't use Black and white, they use European and African American. Caught.by.the.balls.

I did not and anyone is welcome to check with the source of they wish

[Niamh.]

I did not and anyone is welcome to check with the source of they wish

Sure Jan

[AnnieK]

Sure Jan

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

What is funny is I thought it would say im a massive racist and I was looking forward to posting the results and watch all the "tell us something we don't " know post from all my fans but it spat out the opposite.

Not that I am surprised. I love how rather than accept you are and have been wrong you just question the result :joker:

You couldn't make it up


And all thanks to Kizzy

[Niamh.]

What is funny is I thought it would say im a massive racist and I was looking forward to posting the results and watch all the "tell us something we don't " know post from all my fans but it spat out the opposite.

Not that I am surprised. I love how rather than accept you are and have been wrong you just question the result :joker:

You couldn't make it up


And all thanks to Kizzy

:hehe:

[Cherie]

What is funny is I thought it would say im a massive racist and I was looking forward to posting the results and watch all the "tell us something we don't " know post from all my fans but it spat out the opposite.

Not that I am surprised. I love how rather than accept you are and have been wrong you just question the result :joker:

You couldn't make it up


And all thanks to Kizzy

:clap1:

[AnnieK]

Its just strange that in all the people who have done it on here, the wording has been different and only yours had Black and White rather than African and European. :shrug: Odd it is

[Cherie]

I did it but did the wrong one :fist: I did Asian American, I'm tired and need a lie down

[Niamh.]

Its just strange that in all the people who have done it on here, the wording has been different and only yours had Black and White rather than African and European. :shrug: Odd it is

Screen shot was a good idea actually

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its just strange that in all the people who have done it on here, the wording has been different and only yours had Black and White rather than African and European. :shrug: Odd it is

No as we have only seen a couple of results and why on earth would I change that bit?

If I would have changed it I at least would have made it a little but humourous. But I did not change anything. I did it on sea monkey browser as it did not work in Firefox.

As I am fed up saying. Anyone who is bothered, check with the source and ask them.

Meanwhile I'll be polishing my halo if you need me

[GiRTh]

I rarely if at all see a black person in any week and could not tell you the last time I spoke with one (years) its jst not an issue that remotely comes on my radar I get its an issue in the USA but for most of the UK and Ireland out with London and Birmingham its not imo.Fascinating post, so much to pick up on.

You say you dont come into contact with black people on a regular basis and racism is not something you think about but you then go on to state, with a degree of certainty, that racism isnt an issue. How can you possibly say that with such certainty when you admit you dont think much about it?

[GiRTh]

Lt I've personally called you out for changing newspaper articles and posting them on here so this comes as no surprise. :thumbs:

[Twosugars]

Kizzy's harvard test keeps on giving :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lt I've personally called you out for changing newspaper articles and posting them on here so this comes as no surprise. :thumbs:

Only adding a humorous bit for fun. Never changing information. :thumbs:

And usually if not exclusively in the DM

Keep trying

[Cherie]

Kizzy's harvard test keeps on giving :laugh:

have you posted your results yet?

[Niamh.]

have you posted your results yet?

he did :p

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kizzy's harvard test keeps on giving :laugh:

It has to me, I expect a call from Harry to ask what he needs to do to be as unracist as I am

[Crimson Dynamo]

he did :p

Compared to me TSII is Steve Bannon

[GiRTh]

Only adding a humorous bit for fun. Never changing information. :thumbs:

And usually if not exclusively in the DM

Keep tryingYeah keep trying to claim you didnt change it:joker:

That keyboard of yours has a mind of its own It changes things without you doing anything

[Niamh.]

Give us the screen shot LT, don't be shy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you done it Girth, did you get a bad result?

[GiRTh]

I think tests like that are easy to beat. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Give us the screen shot LT, don't be shy

I'm in Fife as it's weds. Pc is off as I left in a massive thunderstorm. I will contact them in morning as I can't be arsed to do the whole thing again as it look like 20 mins. I'm sure they will explain and I bet it's to do with the ancillary questions not the face bit.

[Niamh.]

I think tests like that are easy to beat. :thumbs:

Actually that's true, LT if you wanted that result you could have just lied or purposely pressed the wrong buttons, you wouldn't have got caught that way :hehe:

[Vicky.]

Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European Americans over African Americans.

Hmm.

[Twosugars]

Hmm.

Yup, me too Vicky

[Twosugars]

I think it's to do with speed you press the e and I.
You could cheat if you slow down and press your desired combos faster

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh wait doubters. I googled it and guess what

:laugh2:

Read it and weep

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remind me never to employ any of you lot as detectives

[Niamh.]

Oh wait doubters. I googled it and guess what

:laugh2:

Read it and weep

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781

That's a newspaper article not the quiz Jan

[Cherie]

Oh wait doubters. I googled it and guess what

:laugh2:

Read it and weep

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-40124781

:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's a newspaper article not the quiz Jan

Read it, it posts the journalist results

And guess what

[Niamh.]

Read it, it posts the journalist results

And guess what

Not a screen shot though, what he'd typed, presumably editing it from Americans to Black/white people because it's for a British Article. the actual screen shots posted on that article show use of the words European and African Americans

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13DC7/production/_96315318_presseforbad976.jpg

[GiRTh]

Only adding a humorous bit for fun. Never changing information. :thumbs:

And usually if not exclusively in the DM

Keep tryingThere was one article where you cut out about half of the thing. Why? I have no idea but you did. Maybe cuz it was Breitbart and the bit you cut out would have been ripped to shreds if you had posted it

[Crimson Dynamo]

There was one article where you cut out about half of the thing. Why? I have no idea but you did. Maybe cuz it was Breitbart and the bit you cut out would have been ripped to shreds if you had posted it

Sorry mate the BBC say you are wrong.

[Twosugars]

Read it, it posts the journalist results

And guess what

Why not post the screen shot then?

Until then we'll have to wait and see if somebody can prove the wording.

As you always say, LT, evidence :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why not post the screen shot then?

Until then we'll have to wait and see if somebody can prove the wording.

As you always say, LT, evidence :hee:

:facepalm:

[GiRTh]

Sorry mate the BBC say you are wrong.What? Where am I wrong? That you once cut out half an article? :shrug: No, that happened.

Interesting that the BBC article says 'European' and 'African' not 'black' and 'white.'

[Twosugars]

:facepalm:

Yup LT you have to back up your claims. Your circumstantial "evidence" is not good enough.
:hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not a screen shot though, what he'd typed, presumably editing it from Americans to Black/white people because it's for a British Article. the actual screen shots posted on that article show use of the words European and African Americans

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13DC7/production/_96315318_presseforbad976.jpg

Nope as my e and I screen said black and white only in the test

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yup LT you have to back up your claims. Your circumstantial "evidence" is not good enough.
:hee:

The BBC journo got my results and it's in parenthesis imafraid it's in black and white :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Your data suggests a slight automatic preference for white people over black people."

That was hardly the result I'd hoped for. So am I racist? A bigot? That would be rather at odds with my self-image. But perhaps it's something I need to own up to?

[Twosugars]

The BBC journo got my results and it's in parenthesis imafraid it's in black and white :hee:

Fake news, he edited it for his piece, as Niamh said

[Niamh.]

Nope as my e and I screen said black and white only in the testBut that screen shot is from the article you claim backs you up

[GiRTh]

Feel free to contact them and ask why, I suspect it's to do with the qualifying questions. But they will tell you that is what the results say word for word, I can promise you that

:thumbs:


And I'm not your mateI didnt see this on first run. Sorry mate but I feel like we're friends. Are we not friends? :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fake news, he edited it for his piece, as Niamh said

Do you understand what iteans when a journalist uses parenthesis?

[Twosugars]

But that screen shot is from the article you claim backs you up

LT digging deeper? :laugh:

[Cherie]

Lets face it even if that result is proved to be correct, some will still find a way to discredit it and call LT a racist, the word is thrown around so casually on here along with bigot its not even worth the effort to deny it :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

But that screen shot is from the article you claim backs you up

Indeed and his results, which you questioned about mine are the same proving you wrong.

I don't know why my bit with the faces said just black and white card well but it did and there is no reason to lie about it. It's something to do with the answers one gives prior is my guess.

[Twosugars]

Do you understand what iteans when a journalist uses parenthesis?

I know what a quote is
But I agree with Niamh that he edited the quote for the article. He couldn't edit the screenshot though so the original wording there remain.
And you say yours was different which would suggest a third version of the same test

[Niamh.]

Indeed and his results, which you questioned about mine are the same proving you wrong.



I don't know why my bit with the faces said just black and white card well but it did and there is no reason to lie about it. It's something to do with the answers one gives prior is my guess.His results are typed though, all the screen shots he posted in article use the wording European and African American [emoji23]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets face it even if that result is proved to be correct, some will still find a way to discredit it and call LT a racist, the word is thrown around so casually on here along with bigot its not even worth the effort to deny it :laugh:

I'm off to watch a box set of Luther now

[Niamh.]

Indeed and his results, which you questioned about mine are the same proving you wrong.



I don't know why my bit with the faces said just black and white card well but it did and there is no reason to lie about it. It's something to do with the answers one gives prior is my guess.The ones with your location etc? Presumably if they effected the wording, we all would have got black and white since we're all in Europe and not America

[Twosugars]

Lets face it even if that result is proved to be correct, some will still find a way to discredit it and call LT a racist, the word is thrown around so casually on here along with bigot its not even worth the effort to deny it :laugh:

Theres nothing to face :shrug:
Fyi, I dont consider LT a racist though his insistence on aligning himself with the alt right forces him into very dubious positions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His results are typed though, all the screen shots he posted in article use the wording European and African American [emoji23]

The parenthesis indicate a direct quote, not his words.

You are wrong neem, just accept it and move on.

[Niamh.]

The parenthesis indicate a direct quote, not his words.



You are wrong neem, just accept it and move on.Screen shots LT, screen shots

[GiRTh]

Lets face it even if that result is proved to be correct, some will still find a way to discredit it and call LT a racist, the word is thrown around so casually on here along with bigot its not even worth the effort to deny it :laugh:Let me get this straight - The problem here is not that LT edits articles and tests but that people use the word bigot too often? Is that what you're saying?

[Twosugars]

Screen shots LT, screen shots

Hear hear

[Twosugars]

have you posted your results yet?

Have you?

[Marsh.]

Lets face it even if that result is proved to be correct, some will still find a way to discredit it and call LT a racist, the word is thrown around so casually on here along with bigot its not even worth the effort to deny it :laugh:

Who called him racist?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who called him racist?

I did

[Twosugars]

Wheres the screenshot LT?

[Kizzy]

Well I missed all the drama as per... ;)

[MTVN]

The parenthesis indicate a direct quote, not his words.

You are wrong neem, just accept it and move on.

Parenthesis are brackets tho

[Beso]

Well I'm not Bernard manning, so that fancy questionaire can **** off.

[GiRTh]

Here is your result:
Your data suggest a slight automatic preference for European Americans over African Americans.

https://i.imgur.com/hpyu8an.png

:laugh:

I'm an Uncle Ruckus

[Alf]

:laugh:

I'm an Uncle Ruckus

https://i.imgur.com/hpyu8an.pngI had to Google that.

Never heard of The Boondocks before. Is it good?

[GiRTh]

Its quite crude but does have its moments. He's great though, his self loathing racism is so obvious and he's funny with it.

[Beso]

Its quite crude but does have its moments. He's great though, his self loathing racism is so obvious and he's funny with it.

Your result shows **** all....in fact everyone's does.


It's surely all down to how that individual is built inside and how they react to those emotions..

Total waste of time you posting your results or doing the test...but it made you feel good...well done.

[Kizzy]

https://i.imgur.com/hpyu8an.png

:laugh:

I'm an Uncle Ruckus

I thought you meant remus... had to Google too :laugh:

[GiRTh]

https://i.imgur.com/FnvyCBi.jpg

Might change my avatar to Stephen from Django Unchained.

[GiRTh]

Your result shows **** all....in fact everyone's does.


It's surely all down to how that individual is built inside and how they react to those emotions..

Total waste of time you posting your results or doing the test...but it made you feel good...well done.What on earth?

No it didnt cuz there is a completely neutral result too. :thumbs:

Try it Parmy I bet the results will be fascinating.

[Beso]

What on earth?

No it didnt cuz there is a completely neutral result too. :thumbs:

Try it Parmy I bet the results will be fascinating.

I did...got bored cause I could have answered more than once for a lot of questions.

[GiRTh]

I thought you meant remus... had to Google too :laugh:Its a very crude show and the language will shock most but he is very funny.:hee:

[Niamh.]

https://i.imgur.com/FnvyCBi.jpg



Might change my avatar to Stephen from Django Unchained.I never heard of uncle rukus either but Samuel's character from Django was who came in to my head too [emoji23]

[Beso]

https://i.imgur.com/FnvyCBi.jpg

Might change my avatar to Stephen from Django Unchained.

That's deep...:joker:

[GiRTh]

I did...got bored cause I could have answered more than once for a lot of questions.I actually agree with you. On any given day any individual may get different results hence why I said those test are too easy to beat.

[Ammi]

https://i.imgur.com/hpyu8an.png

:laugh:

I'm an Uncle Ruckus

...I’ve just googled Uncle Ruckus and watched part of a clip...:laugh:...I reckon I’ll watch some more a bit later...I might start reading all of your posts in the voice of Samuel L Jackson now, Girth...:cool:...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parenthesis are brackets tho

I mean 66and 99

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I missed all the drama as per... ;)

Kizzler your link proved quite the drama maker

[GiRTh]

...I’ve just googled Uncle Ruckus and watched part of a clip...:laugh:...I reckon I’ll watch some more a bit later...I might start reading all of your posts in the voice of Samuel L Jackson now, Girth...:cool:...
I'll send you a clip. :hee:

[Ammi]

I'll send you a clip. :hee:

...:love:...much appreciated sir...

[Kizzy]

I mean 66and 99

Nope they're inverted commas.

[Kizzy]

Kizzler your link proved quite the drama maker

Well it only works if your honest and give your gut initial reaction.. if you don't its not really unconscious bias is it?

[Beso]

Well it only works if your honest and give your gut initial reaction.. if you don't its not really unconscious bias is it?

You can't give your gut instinct when there's about ten choices to read.:joker:

[Beso]

I actually agree with you. On any given day any individual may get different results hence why I said those test are too easy to beat.

Sorry...I disn't see you say that, the threads been much like the test for me.

[GiRTh]

Sorry...I disn't see you say that, the threads been much like the test for me.No problem :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well it only works if your honest and give your gut initial reaction.. if you don't its not really unconscious bias is it?

Indeed I did it as quickly as poss as it took me ages

[Twosugars]

You can't give your gut instinct when there's about ten choices to read.:joker:

Clearly you didn't do the important part of the test which follows the questions
The multiple choice questions are just to establish your conscious bias, not the unconscious :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think i get black and white due to my age :think:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4672&stc=1&d=1564651095

[Niamh.]

Aren't we the same age ish?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aren't we the same age ish?

its all i could think of as it cant be a UK/Ireland thing as TSII is UK and he got the eurasian thing?

[AnnieK]

Have you used the same browser as yesterday LT? Wonder if that is the issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

nope i just did the intro again and set my dob as 1984 and got black and white

using the same browser seamonkey

[Ammi]

...a different survey, there are a few race related surveys...?...I couldn’t get any to work for me...I could get so far but then when the ‘i’ and ‘e’ page came up, I couldn’t get a keyboard so that I could proceed...

[Niamh.]

its all i could think of as it cant be a UK/Ireland thing as TSII is UK and he got the eurasian thing?

Well my sincerest apologies for wronging you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

actually even the desription of the test states black and white:

Race ('Black - White' IAT). This IAT requires the ability to distinguish faces of European and African origin. It indicates that most Americans have an automatic preference for white over black.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ive opened a thread to get some more replies to see if we can work it out

[Niamh.]

nope i just did the intro again and set my dob as 1984 and got black and white

using the same browser seamonkey

weird, my DOB is 1978 so if it's an age thing I should have got black/white too

[AnnieK]

I've just tried on of the other quizzes - on the weapons one it comes up with "Black Americans" and "White Americans" but not people - which specific quiz did you do LT?

[Cherie]

I didnt give any of my details but it came up with Black/White rather than European or American

[Beso]

Clearly you didn't do the important part of the test which follows the questions
The multiple choice questions are just to establish your conscious bias, not the unconscious :laugh:

Clearly, as I got bored with the early stuff.

[user104658]

I fell like there's a more pressing question here, and that is "Why is LT using SeaMonkey". Talk about an obscure browser choice.

"Firefox or Chrome"

"no"

"Oh surely you don't use Miscrosoft Edge!"

"no :)"

"...Opera?"

"Nah"

"One of the spin-offs like Quantum or Iridium?"

"No way sir! I'm on SeaMonkey"

[AnnieK]

I fell like there's a more pressing question here, and that is "Why is LT using SeaMonkey". Talk about an obscure browser choice.

"Firefox or Chrome"

"no"

"Oh surely you don't use Miscrosoft Edge!"

"no :)"

"...Opera?"

"Nah"

"One of the spin-offs like Quantum or Iridium?"

"No way sir! I'm on SeaMonkey"

:laugh:

[Marsh.]

I did

Cherie took issue with you calling yourself a racist? :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cherie took issue with you calling yourself a racist? :think:

Yes, she thinks I am too hard on myself