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reece(:
02-08-2019, 01:00 PM
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Not one of them respondents lied!

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 01:09 PM
Sugar ****ed up, no question

Liam-
02-08-2019, 01:24 PM
Tasteless, classless moron, using the victims of religious genocide to try and make a political point is something he’d probably be against if it was the other way around, absolute cockwomble

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 01:26 PM
This is blasphemy @TwitterSupport This man is literally unhinged, deeply disturbed, deeply disturbing.
And of course a Member for Life of the British Parliament #Lords.hite


:laugh2:

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 01:27 PM
I take Sugar is on holiday in Italy :idc:

Oliver_W
02-08-2019, 01:28 PM
Comparing those martyrs to that shower is truly disgusting.

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 01:28 PM
This emoticon seems a good summary of this affair :skull:

Livia
02-08-2019, 01:29 PM
Alan Sugar is Jewish. He has no time for Corbyn, and while is joke is in poor taste look at all the people outraged at what a Jew has said about their leader.

Matthew.
02-08-2019, 01:45 PM
#Lord****e :joker:

arista
02-08-2019, 01:47 PM
Sugar is Fool
at times

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 01:50 PM
Alan Sugar is Jewish. He has no time for Corbyn, and while is joke is in poor taste look at all the people outraged at what a Jew has said about their leader.

They seem more offended at the disrespect shown to the martyrs than Corbyn himself.

Your whataboutery has no limit.

Livia
02-08-2019, 02:05 PM
They seem more offended at the disrespect shown to the martyrs than Corbyn himself.

Your whataboutery has no limit.

And this thread seems the same... people worried about dead martyrs, although if he'd mentioned anyone but Corbyn this thread wouldn't exist, while being okay with the state of anti-Semitism in the Labour party.

This doesn't count as whataboutery, my post was about Corbyn, the subject of Jewish Sugar's tweet.

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 02:06 PM
They seem more offended at the disrespect shown to the martyrs than Corbyn himself.

Your whataboutery has no limit.

disrepsct for martyrs?


that is probably remains from a plague pit - and martyrs to what - do you seriously believe the Catholic church?

bots
02-08-2019, 02:22 PM
Can no-one take a joke these days?

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 02:29 PM
disrepsct for martyrs?


that is probably remains from a plague pit - and martyrs to what - do you seriously believe the Catholic church?

Have some decency!
It's not a plague pit, educate yourself
And even if it was, human remains deserve some respect.

If he wanted to compare corbyn to a skull he could find a pic of a plastic one.
If it was a teenager ok, but Sugar should know better

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 02:30 PM
Can no-one take a joke these days?

But why drag remains that a sacred to some into it?

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 02:43 PM
Have some decency!
It's not a plague pit, educate yourself
And even if it was, human remains deserve some respect.

If he wanted to compare corbyn to a skull he could find a pic of a plastic one.
If it was a teenager ok, but Sugar should know better

Its common knowledge that almost 99.99% of "martyr" remains and artefacts are fake

Id imagine these remains are from paupers graves. And i have no respect whatsoever for the Catholic church

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 03:10 PM
Its common knowledge that almost 99.99% of "martyr" remains and artefacts are fake

Id imagine these remains are from paupers graves. And i have no respect whatsoever for the Catholic church

Do you know these are fake?
Have respect for human remains, not the church
Your frequent attempts to show contempt for believers are tedious. They are people too.
Holding every believer as responsible for the worst excesses of their religious hierarchy is wrong

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 03:12 PM
disrepsct for martyrs?


that is probably remains from a plague pit - and martyrs to what - do you seriously believe the Catholic church?

:facepalm: It's not about what you do or don't believe.

They were innocent people slaughtered for their beliefs. Yet he's using them to make cheap jokes.

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 03:14 PM
And this thread seems the same... people worried about dead martyrs, although if he'd mentioned anyone but Corbyn this thread wouldn't exist, while being okay with the state of anti-Semitism in the Labour party.

This doesn't count as whataboutery, my post was about Corbyn, the subject of Jewish Sugar's tweet.

So you're making it about members and not the topic?
How do you know what reece would have posted? :unsure:

Nobody's "worried" about dead martyrs. They're pointing out a sick tweet where they see it.

Kizzy
02-08-2019, 03:16 PM
And this thread seems the same... people worried about dead martyrs, although if he'd mentioned anyone but Corbyn this thread wouldn't exist, while being okay with the state of anti-Semitism in the Labour party.

This doesn't count as whataboutery, my post was about Corbyn, the subject of Jewish Sugar's tweet.

Corbyn wasn't the subject of the tweet... the shadow cabinet was. You're so quick to make an Anti Corbyn comment I don't think you even realised.
Sugar was anti Corbyn as party leader way before the issue of antisemitism in the party membership, therefore the suggestion that Sugar being Jewish is the only reason for his rude comments is not a given.
Further to that the fact he is Jewish is not a green light to be as offensive as possible to those who serve in the shadow cabinet :/.

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 03:21 PM
:facepalm: It's not about what you do or don't believe.

They were innocent people slaughtered for their beliefs. Yet he's using them to make cheap jokes.

Yes and i am saying that it is highly likely its total BS, just like the made up man in the sky. Its much more likely to be hearsay and random bones. Churches used "martyr porn" to give then power and status

This is a cult that hides paedos rather than get bad PR

bots
02-08-2019, 03:21 PM
Corbyn wasn't the subject of the tweet... the shadow cabinet was. You're so quick to make an Anti Corbyn comment I don't think you even realised.
Sugar was anti Corbyn as party leader way before the issue of antisemitism in the party membership, therefore the suggestion that Sugar being Jewish is the only reason for his rude comments is not a given.
Further to that the fact he is Jewish is not a green light to be as offensive as possible to those who serve in the shadow cabinet :/.

Her are the skulls in the cathedral in Otranto Italy . Looks like @jeremycorbyn shadow cabinet

That very much mentions jeremy corbyn

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 03:24 PM
Yes and i am saying that it is highly likely its total BS, just like the made up man in the sky. Its much more likely to be hearsay and random bones. Churches used "martyr porn" to give then power and status

This is a cult that hides paedos rather than get bad PR

That's an awful lot of ifs and maybes to attempt to justify Sugar disrespecting the dead.

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 03:29 PM
Her are the skulls in the cathedral in Otranto Italy . Looks like @jeremycorbyn shadow cabinet

That very much mentions jeremy corbyn

With corbyn in genitive and shadow cabinet as the object. Grammar, bots.
He is talking about the shadow cabinet of corbyn

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 03:31 PM
That's an awful lot of ifs and maybes to attempt to justify Sugar disrespecting the dead.

You are welcome to verify what I have posted with some online research and you will find it all in order

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 03:33 PM
Next smashing religious cemeteries bc who cares?

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 03:33 PM
You are welcome to verify what I have posted with some online research and you will find it all in order

An opinion on whether Sugar's tweet was in bad taste needs verifying with online research?

Sure Jan.

Kizzy
02-08-2019, 03:48 PM
Her are the skulls in the cathedral in Otranto Italy . Looks like @jeremycorbyn shadow cabinet

That very much mentions jeremy corbyn

I didn't say it didn't mention him...I said he wasn't the subject...

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 03:51 PM
An opinion on whether Sugar's tweet was in bad taste needs verifying with online research?

Sure Jan.

Taste is just an opinion not a fact

Kizzy
02-08-2019, 03:52 PM
'Look at all the people outraged at what a Jew has said about their leader.'

In this instance he said nothing about the party leader.

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 03:53 PM
Taste is just an opinion not a fact

Erm...

An opinion on whether Sugar's tweet was in bad taste needs verifying with online research?

Sure Jan.

Read it again.

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 04:58 PM
Why are some people going on about respecting the dead when we have a thread where you have to guess the day people die !!! and get points for any that are correct.

reece(:
02-08-2019, 05:04 PM
So you're making it about members and not the topic?
How do you know what reece would have posted? :unsure:

Nobody's "worried" about dead martyrs. They're pointing out a sick tweet where they see it.
I do wish everything wouldn't get made into personal jibes, re-highlights exactly what I said the other day
Why are people going on about respecting the dead when we have a thread where you have to guess the day people die !!! and get points for any that are correct.

Well I don't partake in that "game" so I can go on about respecting the dead as much as I like. Why does everything have to be point scoring and one upping? Just accept Sugar was wrong....

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 05:36 PM
Why are some people going on about respecting the dead when we have a thread where you have to guess the day people die !!! and get points for any that are correct.

Ask in that thread then
Otherwise stay on topic

Alf
02-08-2019, 05:39 PM
But why drag remains that a sacred to some into it?Why not?

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 05:39 PM
Ask in that thread then
Otherwise stay on topic

Don't tell me what to do and say , I will post where I like , its on topic .

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 05:46 PM
Don't tell me what to do and say , I will post where I like , its on topic .

Telling that as a religious person you have nothing to say on this topic but baiting

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 05:47 PM
Why not?

Why yes?

Jake.
02-08-2019, 05:48 PM
An automated BBC-typed apology will no doubt follow soon

Crimson Dynamo
02-08-2019, 05:53 PM
the Martyrs of Otranto, were 813 inhabitants of the Salentine city of Otranto in southern Italy who were killed on 14 August 1480. The mass execution is often explained as taking place after the Otrantins refused to convert to Islam when the city fell to an Ottoman force under Gedik Ahmed Pasha.

wiki


:skull:

Liam-
02-08-2019, 05:55 PM
Why are some people going on about respecting the dead when we have a thread where you have to guess the day people die !!! and get points for any that are correct.

There’s a big difference between guessing who’ll die and openly using those people who were slaughtered for their religion to mock people you don’t like politically.

He’d be after blood if someone mocked him or anybody else with a picture of Auschwitz victims and we all know it

Northern Monkey
02-08-2019, 06:03 PM
Are we really getting all butthurt about some people who died in the fourteen hundreds?
Honestly,If it wasn’t against Labour no one would give a ****.

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 06:27 PM
Are we really getting all butthurt about some people who died in the fourteen hundreds?
Honestly,If it wasn’t against Labour no one would give a ****.

Of course they wouldn't NM,it's just another excuse for some to have a go at someone.Infact we'de probably have had various commercial pics on it, had it been said about Boris.

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 07:11 PM
Of course they wouldn't NM,it's just another excuse for some to have a go at someone.Infact we'de probably have had various commercial pics on it, had it been said about Boris.

Bc you know better and can read minds :umm2:
Sugar can compare corbyn to satan for all I care, just dont involve the remains of innocent people

And how telling that although you're religious you still can't bring yourself to condemning the use of relics sacred to a religion only bc it doesn't suit your politics

Alf
02-08-2019, 08:12 PM
Jesus wept! I just got infracted for singing "Dem bones"

You mods really don't like me, do you?

I expect you to infarct me for this post too, that's why I posted it.

See you all in a month or two.

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 08:56 PM
Jesus wept! I just got infracted for singing "Dem bones"

You mods really don't like me, do you?

I expect you to infarct me for this post too, that's why I posted it.

See you all in a month or two.

It's laughable Alf especially when some get away with much worse,chin up enjoy the break

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 09:02 PM
Bc you know better and can read minds :umm2:
Sugar can compare corbyn to satan for all I care, just dont involve the remains of innocent people

And how telling that although you're religious you still can't bring yourself to condemning the use of relics sacred to a religion only bc it doesn't suit your politics

Oh be quiet,you don't know the first thing about me ,so stop pretending you do,I do not convey my thoughts to you as I find you quite rude.so maybe ignore me in future that would be good.

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 09:11 PM
Oh be quiet,you don't know the first thing about me ,so stop pretending you do,I do not convey my thoughts to you as I find you quite rude.so maybe ignore me in future that would be good.

Only commenting on your posts, on a public forum. Nothing more or nothing less. :)
Don't post if you don't want replies :shrug:
Otherwise don't tell me to be quiet. I'm not here to be liked by you, but to have a debate.

Cherie
02-08-2019, 09:15 PM
Jesus wept! I just got infracted for singing "Dem bones"

You mods really don't like me, do you?

I expect you to infarct me for this post too, that's why I posted it.

See you all in a month or two.


:umm2: likely someone reported you then Alf

Kizzy
02-08-2019, 09:21 PM
Why are some people going on about respecting the dead when we have a thread where you have to guess the day people die !!! and get points for any that are correct.

How is this relevant here....there are lots of silly threads in chat and games, how does that mean that nobody in this thread can find that tweet distasteful?

smudgie
02-08-2019, 09:22 PM
If the bones and skulls are so openly on show, I can’t see why a comment or joke about them is so taboo.
If they deserve respect then give them it and bury them in peace.:shrug:

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 09:27 PM
If the bones and skulls are so openly on show, I can’t see why a comment or joke about them is so taboo.
If they deserve respect then give them it and bury them in peace.:shrug:

These people were declared saints and it is a tradition, where possible or appropriate, to display relics of saints.
Sugar should know better, basically.

Kizzy
02-08-2019, 09:36 PM
Well.. I'm not religious but it seems to me it's ok to Diss religion and religious history as long as it's not your religion being dissed?

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 09:37 PM
How is this relevant here....there are lots of silly threads in chat and games, how does that mean that nobody in this thread can find that tweet distasteful?

Just pointing outcome double standards on here at times :shrug:

DouglasS
02-08-2019, 09:37 PM
Not going to lie I bet a lot of people who visit that Museum have made a pass away joke/comment to a friend, whether it be tasteless or not. I think people are too easily offended now.

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:37 PM
Why are some people going on about respecting the dead when we have a thread where you have to guess the day people die !!! and get points for any that are correct.

Explain how that is relevant to me or this thread?

Why are some people so intent on siding with their friends they're literally grasping at straws?

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:39 PM
Not going to lie I bet a lot of people who visit that Museum have made a pass away joke/comment to a friend, whether it be tasteless or not. I think people are too easily offended now.

They're not supposed "Lord" broadcasting it to the public.

Nor have you provided an example that can be discussed as it's a non existent hypothetical.

bots
02-08-2019, 09:40 PM
These people were declared saints and it is a tradition, where possible or appropriate, to display relics of saints.
Sugar should know better, basically.

there is no law against making a joke against a religious relic, certainly in the civilised world. Sugar made a joke .... A JOKE ... that's all

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:43 PM
Of course they wouldn't NM,it's just another excuse for some to have a go at someone.Infact we'de probably have had various commercial pics on it, had it been said about Boris.

Are you gonna comment on the topic or keep making comments on members based on hypotheticals that exist nowhere but in your head?

I could just as easily have said you'd be saying the opposite if Corbyn mocked Sugar with a picture of Jewish skeletons at Auschwitz.

Kizzy
02-08-2019, 09:43 PM
Just pointing outcome double standards on here at times :shrug:

Not really, there are lots of different members, it doesn't naturally follow that the people in this debate then go into chat and games to chat about dead people so where's the double standard?

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:44 PM
Oh be quiet,you don't know the first thing about me ,so stop pretending you do.

The same goes for you mind reading everyone else in this thread.

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:45 PM
Just pointing outcome double standards on here at times :shrug:

I'm sorry we're all responsible for everything posted on the forum?

I don't think so darling.

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 09:46 PM
Explain how that is relevant to me or this thread?

Why are some people so intent on siding with their friends they're literally grasping at straws?

I thought it quite simple Marsh, some are up in arms about disrespecting the dead but are quite happy to make a game of it when it suits, I am not siding with friends it's my opinion,the tweet was wrong , it's just a bit much when people come over holier than thou when they play games about death.

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:47 PM
I thought it quite simple Marsh, some are up in arms about disrespecting the dead but are quite happy to make a game of it when it suits, I am not siding with friends it's my opinion,the tweet was wrong , it's just a bit much when people come over holier than thou when they play games about death.

Who makes the game?

You need to be specific?

Because throwing everyone into one basket doesn't work. I've never taken part in that game in my life so drop the ridiculous tangent and stick to the story provided in the OP, eh?

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 09:50 PM
Who makes the game?

You need to be specific?

Because throwing everyone into one basket doesn't work. I've never taken part in that game in my life so drop the ridiculous tangent and stick to the story provided in the OP, eh?

I didn't say ALL members,just some

Marsh.
02-08-2019, 09:53 PM
I didn't say ALL members,just some

Well discussing members is against the rules isn't it Kaz?

You're normally cheerleading Chuff on that front so let's not get into double standards, eh?

reece(:
02-08-2019, 10:00 PM
Turning every thread to about the members is getting more tiring by the day, can you not have debate without making it personal?

Kazanne
02-08-2019, 10:00 PM
Well discussing members is against the rules isn't it Kaz?

You're normally cheerleading Chuff on that front so let's not get into double standards, eh?

Very unfair comment as Chuff is not on here much and we don't always agree,isn't she a member that you are discussing aswell, no need to bring her into everything , I agree with some people ,others I do not, that's not cheerleading, it's the way we all are .

DouglasS
02-08-2019, 10:24 PM
Are you gonna comment on the topic or keep making comments on members based on hypotheticals that exist nowhere but in your head?

I could just as easily have said you'd be saying the opposite if Corbyn mocked Sugar with a picture of Jewish skeletons at Auschwitz.

I mean it’s not a non existent hypothetical - some people have a dark humour, I bet countless people have made a joke similar - doesn’t mean they’re bad people or should be crucified online. It might be a non existent hypothetical if you are sheltered and haven’t met lots of different people in the real world

I don’t agree with what he said and it is a bit tasteless, but I find it a little embarrassing for people to have such an OTT reaction to something that was a tasteless joke

Twosugars
02-08-2019, 10:31 PM
I didn't say ALL members,just some

I never played that game and yet you jumped at me

Ammi
03-08-2019, 05:12 AM
...George Galloway wants the Pope to intervene...?..I’m not sure what type of intervention is hoped for...Kazanne mentioned the Death Thread, which isn’t relevant at all...and yet it is in that it shows how frivolous/flippancy etc can walk side by side with respect...sometimes something ‘inappropriate or unwise’ might pop into our head and off our tongue and I think that would probably apply to all of us...and if when it happened..if we were celebrity and if we tweeted it....ooops, how very awful...I feel that all of his insult was directed at the shadow cabinet and not the long dead Christian martyrs...

Kizzy
03-08-2019, 05:59 AM
Divine intervention obv.... he needs a good old smiting :)

Kazanne
03-08-2019, 06:40 AM
I never played that game and yet you jumped at me

Go back and see my first post in here , I never jumped on YOU at all , if anything it was the other way round, stop thinking everything is about you, you responded by being rude , so I answered you in a likewise manner. Now lets just get back on topic shall we ? Ican see why Sugar doesn't like Corbyn,but he should have chosen a better way to express it, but some people do over react.

Kizzy
03-08-2019, 07:46 AM
Go back and see my first post in here , I never jumped on YOU at all , if anything it was the other way round, stop thinking everything is about you, you responded by being rude , so I answered you in a likewise manner. Now lets just get back on topic shall we ? Ican see why Sugar doesn't like Corbyn,but he should have chosen a better way to express it, but some people do over react.

2s wasn't the only one to take exception to your comment, several people did 2s was just the first.
How do you express your dislike for someone for by insulting the people around them?...

bots
03-08-2019, 07:58 AM
Ever since time began, jokes have been made about tragic events ... it's human nature, and I am so disappointed that the world has gotten so frightened of saying the wrong thing that it's lost all its humour

A kids joke that was going round at the time of a particularly tragic event .... Why should you not wear loose fitting underwear .... cause cher nob l fallout

Another ... where did the shuttle crew go on holiday ... i wont state that one here

The point is, humour has always been associated with death and tragedy, tasteless maybe, but still humour ... and it's really grim that people try and stop it now because it doesn't fit with their particular political agenda, because as others have said, if the jibe was free of politics, people would be laughing their heads off.

Livia
03-08-2019, 10:53 AM
Explain how that is relevant to me or this thread?

Why are some people so intent on siding with their friends they're literally grasping at straws?

Because that particular thread treats death with irreverence. I don't take part in it.... I find it distasteful, but I don't stop other people taking part.

We have thread after thread on here where people ridicule religion and people of faith. The consensus is, how stupid people are to believe fairy stories in an old book probably written by out of work camel drivers. But... if someone is perceived to have insulted Corbyn, suddenly everyone cares about disrespect being shown to Christian martyrs.

Livia
03-08-2019, 10:55 AM
I didn't say ALL members,just some

Kazanne…. step away from the bullsh1t.

Cherie
03-08-2019, 11:14 AM
Because that particular thread treats death with irreverence. I don't take part in it.... I find it distasteful, but I don't stop other people taking part.

We have thread after thread on here where people ridicule religion and people of faith. The consensus is, how stupid people are to believe fairy stories in an old book probably written by out of work camel drivers. But... if someone is perceived to have insulted Corbyn, suddenly everyone cares about disrespect being shown to Christian martyrs.

:clap1:

Cherie
03-08-2019, 11:16 AM
Ever since time began, jokes have been made about tragic events ... it's human nature, and I am so disappointed that the world has gotten so frightened of saying the wrong thing that it's lost all its humour

A kids joke that was going round at the time of a particularly tragic event .... Why should you not wear loose fitting underwear .... cause cher nob l fallout

Another ... where did the shuttle crew go on holiday ... i wont state that one here

The point is, humour has always been associated with death and tragedy, tasteless maybe, but still humour ... and it's really grim that people try and stop it now because it doesn't fit with their particular political agenda, because as others have said, if the jibe was free of politics, people would be laughing their heads off.


omg I was going to post the cher kno will fall off joke on the Chernoybl to see if anyone had heard of it, trust you BOTS :joker:

Tom4784
03-08-2019, 11:54 AM
A lot of people downplaying this would be screeching in outrage if a left winger said this about the right or if it was labour saying this about a Tory/Brexit party member.

Partisanship at it's finest....

As for the tweet itself, it's just typical dumbass baby boomer humour, inane, pointless and just plain dumb.

Kizzy
03-08-2019, 01:46 PM
Ever since time began, jokes have been made about tragic events ... it's human nature, and I am so disappointed that the world has gotten so frightened of saying the wrong thing that it's lost all its humour

A kids joke that was going round at the time of a particularly tragic event .... Why should you not wear loose fitting underwear .... cause cher nob l fallout

Another ... where did the shuttle crew go on holiday ... i wont state that one here

The point is, humour has always been associated with death and tragedy, tasteless maybe, but still humour ... and it's really grim that people try and stop it now because it doesn't fit with their particular political agenda, because as others have said, if the jibe was free of politics, people would be laughing their heads off.
Do you know what peers are? What they do?...do you not feel that its distasteful for someone of his supposed standing to be engaging in such juvenile humour about elected officials?...
Can we not look past the alleged 'humour' in the tweet, that is not the issue. It's the disrespect.

I'm not doubting this tweet had some rolling on the floor laughing, I'm also not doubting black humour exists.

But lets see this for what it is, childish mocking from a guy who bought his way into the Lords towards the elected shadow cabinet ...he even manages to offend Catholics too well done 'lord' Sugar.

Livia
03-08-2019, 02:10 PM
Do I have to ask why people are suddenly defensive of the Catholic church? I've not seen such hypocrisy on here since... yesterday.

Kizzy
03-08-2019, 02:22 PM
I haven't defended anyone...not suggesting you're referring to me of course. I made a reference to offence to Catholics is all.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 02:53 PM
Because that particular thread treats death with irreverence. I don't take part in it.... I find it distasteful, but I don't stop other people taking part.

We have thread after thread on here where people ridicule religion and people of faith. The consensus is, how stupid people are to believe fairy stories in an old book probably written by out of work camel drivers. But... if someone is perceived to have insulted Corbyn, suddenly everyone cares about disrespect being shown to Christian martyrs.

It's just changing topic to be about members. Nothing more, nothing less.

The thread is not relevant unless she's specifically referring to members in this thread. Which she refuses to clarify.

As for the religious insults, people do care. Religious debates have been repeated on this forum ad nauseam for years. It's probably hit the point where people avoid them like the plague. Like I do, not because I don't have an opinion on it, but it's literally repeating the same debate for the 1000th time.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 02:56 PM
Ever since time began, jokes have been made about tragic events ... it's human nature, and I am so disappointed that the world has gotten so frightened of saying the wrong thing that it's lost all its humour

A kids joke that was going round at the time of a particularly tragic event .... Why should you not wear loose fitting underwear .... cause cher nob l fallout

Another ... where did the shuttle crew go on holiday ... i wont state that one here

The point is, humour has always been associated with death and tragedy, tasteless maybe, but still humour ... and it's really grim that people try and stop it now because it doesn't fit with their particular political agenda, because as others have said, if the jibe was free of politics, people would be laughing their heads off.

So... kids jokes are an appropriate method of public communication for a member of the house of Lords?

Good grief.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 02:57 PM
I mean it’s not a non existent hypothetical - some people have a dark humour, I bet countless people have made a joke similar - doesn’t mean they’re bad people or should be crucified online. It might be a non existent hypothetical if you are sheltered and haven’t met lots of different people in the real world

I don’t agree with what he said and it is a bit tasteless, but I find it a little embarrassing for people to have such an OTT reaction to something that was a tasteless joke

It is non existent since you're talking about "people in a museum". Not actually referring to anyone real or specific.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 02:58 PM
Very unfair comment as Chuff is not on here much and we don't always agree,isn't she a member that you are discussing aswell, no need to bring her into everything , I agree with some people ,others I do not, that's not cheerleading, it's the way we all are .

Double standard.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 03:00 PM
Do I have to ask why people are suddenly defensive of the Catholic church? I've not seen such hypocrisy on here since... yesterday.

"People" "Why people are defensive?"

Because they are?

It's not hypocritical unless you're referring to someone specific and have proof they're acting hypocritically.

But, yeah, you won't add substance to the statement.

chuff me dizzy
03-08-2019, 03:05 PM
If the bones and skulls are so openly on show, I can’t see why a comment or joke about them is so taboo.
If they deserve respect then give them it and bury them in peace.:shrug:

Spot on Smudgie !!

joeysteele
03-08-2019, 03:24 PM
I neither care whether any find what Sugar says offensive, funny, interesting or irrelevant.

I think the man ignorant, pompous and I've never liked him and likely never will.

An overgrown idiot, playing at stupid games even on his programmes.
Where he has to play the almighty and sits under the delusion he can fire people even before he's hired them.

What a waste of space and time.
In my view.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 03:25 PM
I neither care whether any find what Sugar says offensive, funny, interesting or irrelevant.

I think the man ignorant, pompous and I've never liked him and likely never will.

An overgrown idiot, playing at stupid games even on his programmes.
Where he has to play the almighty and sits under the delusion he can fire people even before he's hired them.

What a waste of space and time.
In my view.

And insists they call him "Lord". Absolute arse Joey, you're spot on.

Twosugars
03-08-2019, 04:09 PM
I've read some ridiculous reaching in this thread claiming this crass insensitive humour is ok for teens so it's ok for a peer of the realm, that we shouldn't be defending the church or religion bc they're bad, that the bones are on show so free for all to take the piss out of, etc etc.
I dont begrudge Sugar having fun at Corbyn's expense, political caricature has a long and important tradition.
But dont drag human remains into it, especially those important to a different religion. Why do it? Corbyn has nothing to do with the catholic church anyway.
Take a pic of a flock of sheep or a pile of bricks and compare them to the shadow cabinet.
Dont go into a church and show your contempt to a different tradition if you expect your traditions to be respected.

Marsh.
03-08-2019, 04:17 PM
I've read some ridiculous reaching in this thread claiming this crass insensitive humour is ok for teens so it's ok for a peer of the realm, that we shouldn't be defending the church or religion bc they're bad, that the bones are on show so free for all to take the piss out of, etc etc.
I dont begrudge Sugar having fun at Corbyn's expense, political caricature has a long and important tradition.
But dont drag human remains into it, especially those important to a different religion. Why do it? Corbyn has nothing to do with the catholic church anyway.
Take a pic of a flock of sheep or a pile of bricks and compare them to the shadow cabinet.
Dont go into a church and show your contempt to a different tradition if you expect your traditions to be respected.

:clap1:

That last sentence, especially.

joeysteele
03-08-2019, 07:47 PM
And insists they call him "Lord". Absolute arse Joey, you're spot on.

Yes Marsh.
You described him better than I did.