Gun shop targets four Democrat Congresswomen

[Twosugars]

Trump's words being taken one step further.
We've reached stage two in a potential chain of events: Trump-gunshop-customer-act of violence

'How is this not inciting violence?': gun shop billboard targets the Squad
North Carolina billboard calls congresswomen ‘The 4 Horsemen’ in what anti-gun violence advocates call an incitement to violence


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A billboard erected by the store Cherokee Guns. Photograph: Cherokee Guns via Facebook
A gun shop in North Carolina has erected an advertising billboard invoking an apocalyptic prophesy to mock the progressive Democrats Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts in what anti-gun violence advocates call an incitement to violence.

The billboard, which went up over the weekend, puts images of the four progressive Democratic congresswomen under the phrase “The 4 Horsemen Cometh”, and goes on to describe them as “idiots”.

The Cherokee Guns’ owner, Doc Wacholz, has denied that the billboard on Route 64 outside Murphy is a deliberate provocation. “I’m not inciting any violence or being racist. It’s a statement. It’s an opinion,” he told the Asheville Citizen Times.

However, he then made racist and incorrect statements about the four leftwing congresswomen of color.

“They’re socialists, from my point of view. I also feel a couple of them, being Muslim, have ties to actual terrorists groups,” he said.

The signage joins previous Cherokee Guns billboards that have depicted words or images designed to denigrate Muslim Americans.

In 2017, the store posted an ad for “INFIDEL ARMAMENT” it read in block letters above Arabic script and a rifle. In 2015 the Asheville Citizen-Times reported a billboard that said: “Give me your tired, your poor … Keep your Syrian refugees.”

The incident comes after Donald Trump issued provocative tweets telling Omar, who is Somali American, and her colleagues to “go back” to where they came from. The four congresswomen have become known as “the Squad” and are prominent and vocal critics of the president.

But some groups warned that Wacholz’s advert is a step toward actual violence.

“Threats against members of Congress, particularly minority members, are [trending upward] and it is driven by the president’s racial rhetoric,” the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence wrote in a statement. “This is dangerous!!!”

In a tweet on Wednesday evening, Tlaib asked how the billboard could not be considered an aggressive inducement.

“How the hell is this not inciting violence?” she wrote.

Pressley tweeted: “#Racist rhetoric from the occupant of the @WhiteHouse has made hate our new normal. We are still vulnerable.”

But appeals for civility appear to be falling on deaf ears. Wacholz amped up his attack when the store posted a statement on Facebook that said it planned to produce clothing with the billboard’s image.

“Alright my fellow Infidels for Trump … due to OVERWHELMING demand … you may come by the shop (next week) and get your very own FOUR HORSEMEN COMETH STICKER … simple … eat a piece of bacon … tell us you’re voting for Trump in 2020 … then get your limited edition bumper sticker! (While supplies last!) Snowflakes and Liberals are not eligible … sorry
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/01/gun-shop-billboard-the-squad-aoc-omar-tlaib-pressley

[Oliver_W]

As disgusting as this is, I don't see how it's related to Trump - lots of people mock them.

[Twosugars]

As disgusting as this is, I don't see how it's related to Trump - lots of people mock them.

Had they been targeted as a group before trump started his hateful crusade?

[Oliver_W]

Had they been targeted as a group before trump started his hateful crusade?

I don't follow that stuff too much so not sure, AOC and Omar certainly were lumped in together.

Is it a "hateful crusade"? I thought he only mentioned them once.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Had they been targeted as a group before trump started his hateful crusade?

they are pretty hateful people so what do they expect?

fan mail?

[Toy Soldier]

As disgusting as this is, I don't see how it's related to Trump - lots of people mock them.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/6utVzLiyU9OuHbd70D/giphy.gif

[Twosugars]

they are pretty hateful people so what do they expect?

fan mail?

How are they hateful? Provide evidence

[Moniqua]

they are pretty hateful people so what do they expect?

fan mail?

:facepalm:

[Twosugars]

I don't follow that stuff too much so not sure, AOC and Omar certainly were lumped in together.

Is it a "hateful crusade"? I thought he only mentioned them once.

Unless you can show otherwise, the link between trump and the above stands
But for a laugh you can try more of your moral gymnastics

[bots]

I don't follow that stuff too much so not sure, AOC and Omar certainly were lumped in together.

Is it a "hateful crusade"? I thought he only mentioned them once.

trump has mentioned the "squad" loads of times in the last couple of weeks, targeting them. so, yes, he has been on a hateful crusade

[Livia]

Trump did lump them together. That's true.

But then they ran with it with all their might. And now someone's called them idiots. I hear worse on here every day. Every hour...

[Crimson Dynamo]

How are they hateful? Provide evidence

Ms Omar is an anti-Semite for example as is Ms Tlaib

not nice

all they do is call the president a white supremicist and aracist whilst peddling their failed and unrealistic socialist adgenda

just vile

[Twosugars]

Ms Omar is an anti-Semite for example as is Ms Tlaib

not nice

all they do is call the president a white supremicist and aracist whilst peddling their failed and unrealistic socialist adgenda

just vile

Links to their statements please

...you can skip those calling trump a white supremacist and a racist :hee:

[Toy Soldier]

Ms Omar is an anti-Semite for example as is Ms Tlaib

not nice

all they do is call the president a white supremicist and aracist whilst peddling their failed and unrealistic socialist adgenda

just vile

He said "provide evidence" LT, not "elaborate". That would mean maybe a tweet or a video or at least some sort of quote...

[arista]

Typical USA
to help sell more Guns

[Twosugars]

He said "provide evidence" LT, not "elaborate". That would mean maybe a tweet or a video or at least some sort of quote...

With links, in case LT indulges in editing again

[Toy Soldier]

Trump did lump them together. That's true.

But then they ran with it with all their might. And now someone's called them idiots. I hear worse on here every day. Every hour...

The issue isn't them being called idiots, it's them being lined up in a row on an advertising billboard for a gun shop clearly designed to evoke a "target practise" image. A dumb and thinly-veiled threat. It's not a very realistic one and I don't think it's going to immediately lead to any attempts on their lives, but it is part of a very dark attitude that's slowly but surely creeping in, that is inevitably going to end in someone being hurt as a political target.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Links to their statements please

...you can skip those calling trump a white supremacist and a racist :hee:

She was forced to apologise for a series of tweets in February which suggested the American Israel Public Affairs Committee was buying influence for pro-Israel policies.

Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers said the tweets inspired anti-Semitic sentiment and commentary about Jews and money.

source: any online news agency you care to look at


Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) is facing scrutiny from conservatives after a video shared on Facebook by a key campaign fundraiser calling Jews “satanic” surfaced Monday:skull:

“Research the truth about the Holocaust, and you’ll definitely start to question what you thought you knew,” says the video’s narrator, before going on to question whether 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. The narrator also claims Jews invented their historical claim to Israel in a covert effort to control the media. :skull::skull:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rashida-tlaib-faces-criticism-over-fundraisers-anti-semitic-facebook-posts

[Toy Soldier]

With links, in case LT indulges in editing again

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

With links, in case LT indulges in editing again

You and a few others on here were exposed on Wednesday so i would keep quiet about that little incident if I were you


YOu accused me of editing and were found to be wrong and had to come to me cap in hand to apologise - which I accepted.

:hee:

[Toy Soldier]

She was forced to apologise for a series of tweets in February which suggested the American Israel Public Affairs Committee was buying influence for pro-Israel policies.

Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers said the tweets inspired anti-Semitic sentiment and commentary about Jews and money.

source: any online news agency you care to look at


Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) is facing scrutiny from conservatives after a video shared on Facebook by a key campaign fundraiser calling Jews “satanic” surfaced Monday:skull:

“Research the truth about the Holocaust, and you’ll definitely start to question what you thought you knew,” says the video’s narrator, before going on to question whether 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. The narrator also claims Jews invented their historical claim to Israel in a covert effort to control the media. :skull::skull:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rashida-tlaib-faces-criticism-over-fundraisers-anti-semitic-facebook-posts

As discussed previously, discussing pro-Israel policy is not anti-Semitism. Holocaust denial is obviously abhorrent, yes, but again where is the EVIDENCE LT. The article claims to be discussing a narrated video clip. Where is the clip? It's not there or linked? All you've offered as evidence is a "Daily Beast" article. The Daily Beast, LT. Come on.

[MB.]

I don't follow that stuff too much so not sure, AOC and Omar certainly were lumped in together.

Is it a "hateful crusade"? I thought he only mentioned them once.

...yeah, I can tell you "don't follow that stuff too much"

[Oliver_W]

...yeah, I can tell you "don't follow that stuff too much"

Then show me the things I missed?

[Toy Soldier]

Then show me the things I missed?

MB isn't your mum Oliver :think:

[Livia]

The issue isn't them being called idiots, it's them being lined up in a row on an advertising billboard for a gun shop clearly designed to evoke a "target practise" image. A dumb and thinly-veiled threat. It's not a very realistic one and I don't think it's going to immediately lead to any attempts on their lives, but it is part of a very dark attitude that's slowly but surely creeping in, that is inevitably going to end in someone being hurt as a political target.



Death threats are not the appalling thing they used to be, I'm told.

And at least two of them are anti-Semites. And two wrongs don't make a right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

MB isn't your mum Oliver :think:

TS you were just asking me to do research you cant be a rsed to do online stop being a hypocrite and baiting Oliver


:rolleyes:

[Oliver_W]

If you're going to say something happened without backing it up, me saying "no it didn't" holds just as much water.

He only mentioned them once:)

[Livia]

As discussed previously, discussing pro-Israel policy is not anti-Semitism. Holocaust denial is obviously abhorrent, yes, but again where is the EVIDENCE LT. The article claims to be discussing a narrated video clip. Where is the clip? It's not there or linked? All you've offered as evidence is a "Daily Beast" article. The Daily Beast, LT. Come on.

You know, it's a common misconception that people are not allowed to criticises Israel. They are. And yet this is dusted off and wheeled out every time an anti-Semite needs support.

[Twosugars]

You and a few others on here were exposed on Wednesday so i would keep quiet about that little incident if I were you


YOu accused me of editing and were found to be wrong and had to come to me cap in hand to apologise - which I accepted.

:hee:

Dont edit the past :nono:
I did not apologise to you. On the contrary, I said that your persistent refusal to condemn trump's racist statements tells me more about your attitude than your test results. Especially as it was established the test can be cheated.
Your test results therefore, real or not, prove nothing :hee:

Not to mention that your editing goes way back whenever your doctored original articles and provided inflammatory pictures. All to make things more " interesting"

[Toy Soldier]

You know, it's a common misconception that people are not allowed to criticises Israel. They are. And yet this is dusted off and wheeled out every time an anti-Semite needs support.

Claims of anti-semitism are often backed up with quotes that are critical of Israel rather than anti-Semitic, so obviously (if criticism of Israel is OK, and not anti-semitism) pointing those out as false examples should be appropriate? I said literally in the same post that holocaust denial is abhorrent :shrug:. And obviously anti-semitic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dont edit the past :nono:
I did not apologise to you. On the contrary, I said that your persistent refusal to condemn trump's racist statements tells me more about your attitude than your test results. Especially as it was established the test can be cheated.
Your test results therefore, real or not, prove nothing :hee:

Not to mention that your editing goes way back whenever your doctored original articles and provided inflammatory pictures. All to make things more " interesting"

What was your score from the harvard university test again?

[Livia]

Claims of anti-semitism are often backed up with quotes that are critical of Israel rather than anti-Semitic, so obviously (if criticism of Israel is OK, and not anti-semitism) pointing those out as false examples should be appropriate? I said literally in the same post that holocaust denial is abhorrent :shrug:. And obviously anti-semitic.

I didn't suggest you were anti-Semitic, I was referring of course to the subjects in this story. And yes, you are allowed to criticise Israel. Look it up TS, there's loads of information online.

Do you think something should happen to the gun shop owner, for making something you perceive to be a death threat? Some sort of punishment?

[Twosugars]

What was your score from the harvard university test again?

Go to the thread and check. It's off topic here

[Tom4784]

If you're going to say something happened without backing it up, me saying "no it didn't" holds just as much water.

He only mentioned them once:)

Refusing to do your own research because you don't want to be proven wrong doesn't make what you are saying true. Willing reality to be different doesn't alter the facts. He's been talking about them endlessly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Go to the thread and check. It's off topic here

Just what is the topic actually?

A gun store in the USA has a poster


and?

[Twosugars]

Just what is the topic actually?

A gun store in the USA has a poster


and?

Leave the thread then
And stop baiting

[Oliver_W]

He's been talking about them endlessly.

When? I'm not watching/reading everything he's said for the past few weeks when you lot obviously have lots of proof he's been saying these things.

[Twosugars]

When? I'm not watching/reading everything he's said for the past few weeks when you lot obviously have lots of proof he's been saying these things.

Fair enough, but don't make claims as if you do

[Crimson Dynamo]

Leave the thread then
And stop baiting


Its a genuine question - dont be rude and order people around

[Twosugars]

Its a genuine question - dont be rude and order people around

I'm not rude.
There's an article with a title, there's a thread title, they all point to the topic at hand.
If you have nothing to say you are free go elsewhere

[bots]

I'm not rude.
There's an article with a title, there's a thread title, they all point to the topic at hand.
If you have nothing to say you are free go elsewhere

and you are not a mod, so you have no right to dictate what others do

[Twosugars]

and you are not a mod, so you have no right to dictate what others do

Dictating? No. Merely suggesting. LT doesn't see anything in the topic worth engaging with so he's free not to :)

[GiRTh]

Ms Omar is an anti-Semite for example as is Ms Tlaib

not nice

all they do is call the president a white supremicist and aracist whilst peddling their failed and unrealistic socialist adgenda

just vileLinks to prove your accusations please?

They call Donne a white supremacist cuz White Supremacists love him

[Crimson Dynamo]

Links to prove your accusations please?

They call Donne a white supremacist cuz White Supremacists love him

and so do non WS and i am sure the odd WS loves Bernie and loves Tom Hanks


so what is your actual point?

[Kizzy]

You know, it's a common misconception that people are not allowed to criticises Israel. They are. And yet this is dusted off and wheeled out every time an anti-Semite needs support.

Contradictory post there, if people are allowed to criticise Israel then by definition they are not antisemitic are they? if all they do is criticise Israel.
To be an antisemite they would also have to say something antisemitic.
To effectively incite the shooting of 4 women even considering one them had ( not suggesting they have) but hypothetically say one had at some point said something offensive...then this is an acceptable scenario? They are guilty or guilty by associat ion and this is a perfectly rational, reasonable and preportiobal response?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Contradictory post there, if people are allowed to criticise Israel then by definition they are not antisemitic are they? if all they do is criticise Israel.
To be an antisemite they would also have to say something antisemitic.
To effectively incite the shooting of 4 women even considering one them had ( not suggesting they have) but hypothetically say one had at some point said something offensive...then this is an acceptable scenario? They are guilty or guilty by associat ion and this is a perfectly rational, reasonable and preportiobal response?

"To effectively incite the shooting of 4 women "

er no it does not and er its a gun shop advert

[Crimson Dynamo]

although i would be strongly against anyone who would wish death on young women, as i am sure we all would..

[Kizzy]

"To effectively incite the shooting of 4 women "

er no it does not and er its a gun shop advert

In my opinion it very much does.

[Twosugars]

although i would be strongly against anyone who would wish death on young women, as i am sure we all would..

You talking about those four too?
You know in case anything happens and your denial of any link between trump words and violence is proven disastrously wrong?

[GiRTh]

and so do non WS and i am sure the odd WS loves Bernie and loves Tom Hanks


so what is your actual point?My actual point is that every other candidate denounces such support, while Donnie gives them more to cheer about. Also the level of praise they give him has never been seen before. They dont like him they love him.

NPVCnHGlhO0

[GiRTh]

"To effectively incite the shooting of 4 women "

er no it does not and er its a gun shop advertYes its just a gun shop ad. I'm stunned you dont see the irony in that post.:laugh:

[Tom4784]

When? I'm not watching/reading everything he's said for the past few weeks when you lot obviously have lots of proof he's been saying these things.

Maybe you should try following the news, he posted more than once about them and he's spoken about it in White House press events.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes its just a gun shop ad. I'm stunned you dont see the irony in that post.:laugh:

Yes and I'm stunned you think a gun shop has anything to do with murder

[GiRTh]

Yes and I'm stunned you think a gun shop has anything to do with murder

So you're saying its inciting murder? I've never said that so you must be saying that? why else would you bring it up. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

To obsess about a poster for a tiny gun shop in a tiny part of America

To make some point in a UK forum

Really, is this where we are?

[Withano]

Trump did lump them together. That's true.

But then they ran with it with all their might. And now someone's called them idiots. I hear worse on here every day. Every hour...

The word ‘Idiots’ is the main story here. Yep. End of. Nice analysis skills once again livz.

[Twosugars]

To obsess about a poster for a tiny gun shop in a tiny part of America

To make some point in a UK forum

Really, is this where we are?

It is. We're pointing out the growing threat of far right violence in America as well as here (see the thread about the man convicted of murder threats to anti Brexit MPs).
And it's exactly where we should be.

[Ammi]

The Cherokee Guns’ owner, Doc Wacholz, has denied that the billboard on Route 64 outside Murphy is a deliberate provocation. “I’m not inciting any violence or being racist. It’s a statement. It’s an opinion,” he told the Asheville Citizen Times.


...I wonder if it was four people in his own family whose images were up there, if he would still feel ...’it’s a statement, it’s an opinion..’...what an incredibly reckless action...but someone else’s family members so...

[Kizzy]

it is. We're pointing out the growing threat of far right violence in america as well as here (see the thread about the man convicted of murder threats to anti brexit mps).
And it's exactly where we should be.

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[Livia]

To obsess about a poster for a tiny gun shop in a tiny part of America

To make some point in a UK forum

Really, is this where we are?

Yes, Trumpet. That is exactly where we are.

[Livia]

although i would be strongly against anyone who would wish death on young women, as i am sure we all would..

Yes, you'd think so, wouldn't you. I mean, you'd hope so.

[Tom4784]

Advertising guns by making out that the Squad is the enemy is clearly provocation that makes targets of them. 'Hey, look at these people we want you to hate, now buy our guns!'

[Tom4784]

Given that, come October, we are going to have an even closer relationship with the US then we do now, it's only smart to keep track of US affairs. Trying to mini-mod by making out that we cannot speak about US issues because of.....reasons?... Does nothing but stiffle discussion and news.

US problems will become our problems come October, especially if they end up dragging us into a war with Iran because we'll be reliant on them in a no-deal situation.

[Alf]

It is. We're pointing out the growing threat of far right violence in America as well as here (see the thread about the man convicted of murder threats to anti Brexit MPs).
And it's exactly where we should be.Andy Ngo, which far right group attacked him?

Are you concerned about growing far-left violence too?

[Tom4784]

Whataboutism and false equivalency, yet again.

You can't dismiss terrorism by trying to divert attention elsewhere just because you feel defensive over the term 'right wing' and you can't make out that throwing a milkshake over someone is the same as shooting them dead or inciting violence against them. Right wing terrorism is a real and growing threat that is recognised by security agencies on both sides of the atlantic. 'Left Wing terrorism' is just something fragile right wingers are desperate to throw about because they feel more protective of right wing terrorists then they do about condemning them and having to accept that something is wrong.

[Livia]

although i would be strongly against anyone who would wish death on young women, as i am sure we all would..

Well... yes, I would be strongly against that too. But, not everyone feels the same

[Twosugars]

Andy Ngo, which far right group attacked him?

Are you concerned about growing far-left violence too?

I'm concerned about violence full stop.
I dont see far left violence growing though.
Instead I see increasingly divisive and hateful language from right wing politicians and dangerous rise in far right activity in real life and online. Racism, sexism and xenophobia rising, white supremacist ideology given support by the us president.

Ngo? The same who wrote lies about London?