‘Very vulnerable’ 15yr old London girl feared abducted in Malaysia...

[Ammi]

Police in Malaysia are treating the disappearance of a "very vulnerable" 15-year-old London girl as an abduction, a charity has said.

Nora Quoirin, who has learning difficulties, went missing while on a family holiday in the southeast Asian country.

She vanished at the weekend in a resort near Seremban, around 40 miles south of the capital Kuala Lumpur.

The Lucie Blackman Trust (LBT) said Nora's father raised the alarm when he discovered she was missing from her bedroom at 8am on Sunday and her window was open.

Nora, whose mother Meabh is originally from Belfast and whose father is French, is understood to have been travelling on an Irish passport.

The family have been living in London for around 20 years.


The charity, which is supporting the family, said: "The Lucie Blackman Trust has been informed that Malaysian police are now treating the disappearance of 15-year-old Nora Quoirin as an abduction. Her family are with police now."

The organisation's chief executive Matthew Searle said: "This is a very vulnerable young girl missing in a remote location.

"She has been missing for over 24 hours now and it is imperative that every resource available is deployed to search for her."

Speaking from Belfast, Nora's aunt Aisling Agnew said: "Nora's parents and relatives in Ireland and France are distraught by her disappearance.

"Nora is a child with special needs and has learning and developmental disabilities which make her especially vulnerable and we fear for her safety.

"Nora would not know how to get help and would never leave her family voluntarily. We now consider this a criminal matter.

"We are appealing to everyone to assist the local police in any way they can and to pass on any information that would help locate our beloved Nora without delay."

Family friend Catherine Cook said: "It's out of character for Nora to go wandering off."

She added: "To my knowledge the French government and the Irish government are helping them and it would be great if other agencies or governments worldwide could support them."

A spokesman for Ireland's department of foreign affairs said: "We are aware of the case and providing consular assistance."


https://news.sky.com/story/nora-quoirin-very-vulnerable-london-girl-15-feared-abducted-in-malaysia-11777753

[AnnieK]

Oh, how terrifying for the family. I hope she's found safe and well but very worrying

[Oliver_W]

Oh Jesus, hope she's found safe

[Kizzy]

I'm hoping she just wandered off and is found safe soon.

[Cherie]

This is very strange, why would she go out the window by herself, if she did want to go for a wander she would have gone out the door?, they had just arrived as well, I hope she is found soon

[Tom4784]

I hope she's found but stories like these rarely have a happy ending but here's hoping this can be an outlier.

[Cherie]

The police are now saying now there is no evidence of abduction, I hope this doesn't turn into another Maddie

[Tom4784]

The police are now saying now there is no evidence of abduction, I hope this doesn't turn into another Maddie

Hopefully it means that she's wandered off and is fine. Not sure how likely it is but there's nothing wrong with hoping for the best.

[arista]

Reports say she seen by the river in the Jungle
So now 160 are looking for her

[Kizzy]

The police are now saying now there is no evidence of abduction, I hope this doesn't turn into another Maddie

It can't turn into another maddie there was no neglect here.

[Ammi]

...I wonder why there isn’t more coverage of this in the news media...it’s a huge story...the Malaysian authorities are saying that there is no evidence of an abduction...someone must have seen something surely, if she wandered off..?..it’s very strange...while this poor girl is still missing..:sad:..

[Ammi]

....actually, just found an article in the DM...I don’t usually look there...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7328005/Search-dogs-pick-scent-missing-British-girl-Nora-Quoirin.html

[Cherie]

It can't turn into another maddie there was no neglect here.

well it can in terms of if she is never found, there is more than one angle to the Maddie story

Its a very strange story, the parents are adamant she would never wander away, but maybe being in such a different setting she was entranced by something

The sniffer dogs losing her scent is odd though, if they arrived just a day or so before it happened the abduction would have been very opportunistic then :shrug:

[Cherie]

...I wonder why there isn’t more coverage of this in the news media...it’s a huge story...the Malaysian authorities are saying that there is no evidence of an abduction...someone must have seen something surely, if she wandered off..?..it’s very strange...while this poor girl is still missing..:sad:..

Its been on the news every night, maybe the London news though, not the national one

[Kazanne]

well it can in terms of if she is never found, there is more than one angle to the Maddie story

Its a very strange story, the parents are adamant she would never wander away, but maybe being in such a different setting she was entranced by something

The sniffer dogs losing her scent is odd though, if they arrived just a day or so before it happened the abduction would have been very opportunistic then :shrug:

It's very strange Cherie, and who knows if it's not an abduction it could well be neglect as they are reporting now that she wandered off into the jungle.:shrug:

[bots]

in an unfamiliar setting, the girl could easily have gone in search of something that was familiar to her. I don't think its improbable that she just wandered off

[Kizzy]

well it can in terms of if she is never found, there is more than one angle to the Maddie story

Its a very strange story, the parents are adamant she would never wander away, but maybe being in such a different setting she was entranced by something

The sniffer dogs losing her scent is odd though, if they arrived just a day or so before it happened the abduction would have been very opportunistic then :shrug:

I meant she wasnt home alone was she? In that respect int not like maddie.

[Cherie]

I meant she wasnt home alone was she? In that respect int not like maddie.

I know what you meant

[Niamh.]

I hope she's found and she's ok :(

[Kazanne]

in an unfamiliar setting, the girl could easily have gone in search of something that was familiar to her. I don't think its improbable that she just wandered off

Yes,that's my guess too,as she probably wouldn't see the dangers of going for a walk on her own.lets hope they find her ok :wavey:

[Ammi]

..I read this morning that a voice recording is being made of a family member...and it’ll be played over loudspeakers to see if there is a response from Nora on hearing it...

..EDIT...the voice recording will be Nora’s mum...

[Niamh.]

..I read this morning that a voice recording is being made of a family member...and it’ll be played over loudspeakers to see if there is a response from Nora on hearing it...

..EDIT...the voice recording will be Nora’s mum...

Poor kid, it's not looking good for her

[arista]

..I read this morning that a voice recording is being made of a family member...and it’ll be played over loudspeakers to see if there is a response from Nora on hearing it...

..EDIT...the voice recording will be Nora’s mum...




Yes good idea
but its 5 days
maybe she drank from the river?

[Cherie]

Sorry to say but if she wandered off she has probably drowned, if abducted then that is not a great scenario either, poor kid

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes i expect she is dead but one can hope until the body is found

[Vicky.]

Is it likely she wandered off..out the window? Surely she would use a door..

I doubt this will have a happy ending tbh

Hope shes ok.

[arista]

Is it likely she wandered off..out the window? Surely she would use a door..

I doubt this will have a happy ending tbh

Hope shes ok.



Due to her mental state
she could have gone out the window
but 5 days have gone

[Cherie]

Several footprints believed to belong to a London schoolgirl missing in Malaysia have been found by a search and rescue team in a dense jungle.
The footprints were discovered near to the isolated resort where Nora Quoirin, 15, vanished last weekend during a family holiday.
Teams have been searching that area without any luck as the hunt for the missing Franco-Irish teen, who has special needs and is "vulnerable", entered its sixth day on Friday.
Nora's family believe she was abducted from the holiday cottage at the Dusun resort, while police have said there is "no evidence" she is kidnapped and they believe she is still in the tropical rainforest after climbing out of a window.

No footprints have been found as confirmed by the police on tonight news, the forest is so dense it will be a miracle if they find any trace of her

[Ammi]

Nora Quoirin: London girl missing in Malaysia 'not like other teenagers'
Nora Quoirin's family says the teenager is "very sensitive" and has spent a lot of time in hospital during her life.

https://news.sky.com/story/nora-quoirin-london-girl-missing-in-malaysia-not-like-other-teenagers-11781325

[Ammi]

...she has mobility difficulties.../..can’t walk far independently...which is why her family feel that she’s been abducted... the Malaysian police are thinking she could have climbed through the window but her family don’t feel that’s possible...

[Cherie]

Scotland Yard join the hunt for missing teenager

The parents of a teenager who has gone missing in Malaysia are considering offering a cash reward.
Officers from Scotland Yard and the National Crime Agency are helping in the hunt for *British teen Nora Quoirin.
The team is also co-operating with Irish officers, who are understood to have hostage and kidnap specialists on standby if it is proved the 15-year-old was abducted.
A spokesman for the Irish-French Quoirin family said: “I’m delighted to see support deployed.”
Parents Meabh and Sebastien were last night considering offering a reward after hundreds of volunteers spent an eighth day searching the Malaysian jungle.
If the family, of Balham, South West London, do offer a reward, they may choose to use money from two online funds set up by relatives.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/missing-nora-quoirin-scotland-yard-join-hunt-for-british-teenager/ar-AAFG1Nc?ocid=spartanntp
..

[Niamh.]

Poor girl, it does seem unlikely that she'd have just wandered off

[bots]

"The 15-year-old was born with holoprosencephaly, a disorder which affects brain development, meaning that her communication is limited and she struggles with co-ordination."

[Niamh.]

"The 15-year-old was born with holoprosencephaly, a disorder which affects brain development, meaning that her communication is limited and she struggles with co-ordination."

Yeah, you couldn't see her getting too far on foot, atleast far enough that no search team would find her

[Ammi]

..she has severe walking difficulties...hence her parents immediately thinking abduction...I really hope they find her...(..whatever the outcome...)...

[Vicky.]

Unfortunately I reckon this ones going to be one of those where the girl is never found. Fairly sure shes dead given the circumstances, or if abducted (which seems most likely) she will be part of a sex ring or something, so maybe its best for her if shes dead..which I hate saying but its how I would feel about it so..

Its been too long really, to hope for a resolution and her found.

[Beso]

A body has been found in the jungle.

[Vanessa]

Just seen it on Facebook. This is heartbreaking :bawling:

[Kazanne]

Such a shame,poor girl,but at least her parents have closure now,but yes heart breaking for them.

[Vanessa]

I wonder what happened. Did she wonder off alone in the night?

[bots]

this is so sad

[AnnieK]

I think after all this time, this was always going to be the outcome sadly. An able bodied person would struggle to survive for that long in unknown territory without survival skills/training. I'm glad her parents will have closure. Sad end to a young life :sad:

[joeysteele]

It looks like the body found is her.
Really devastating for the family.

Impossible to even try to think how they are feeling.
The worst possible news for them.
With all hope of her being restored to them gone.

Crushing news,.awful.

[Cherie]

As sad as it is, at least they will have closure, that will take some getting over

[Cherie]

just read that she was found very near to where she was reported missing :sad:

[arista]

Yes sad for the family.
I assume the knew this could happen,

[Niamh.]

Poor girl, I wonder is it suspicious or not?

[Cherie]

Poor girl, I wonder is it suspicious or not?

I guess they wont know until they do an autopsy

[Beso]

Poor wee lass was naked when they found her body.

[LaLaLand]

Poor wee lass was naked when they found her body.

Awful. Poor girl :sad:

[Cherie]

Poor wee lass was naked when they found her body.

that don't sound good

[Kazanne]

Poor wee lass was naked when they found her body.

Well that puts a different slant on things ,poor girl.

[Amy Jade]

She could have gotten undressed to swim?

At least I hope that is it...anything else is too horrific to imagine.

[Denver]

Her parents have I'd the body

[Cherie]

She could have gotten undressed to swim?

At least I hope that is it...anything else is too horrific to imagine.

animals maybe, honestly however she died it doesn't bear thinking about

[Kizzy]

Poor girl :(

[Ammi]

...this is just so achingly sad...:sad:...the autopsy will be done today, I don’t know what will be made public...

[joeysteele]

This is extremely sad.

The family will be devastated.
Likely nothing will console them in this tragic loss.

[Kazanne]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nora-quoirin-latest-police-unable-to-say-yet-what-killed-schoolgirl-with-post-mortem-examination-still-ongoing/ar-AAFNpkg?ocid=spartanntp

[Niamh.]

hhhmm sounds like they think somethings been covered up?

[Cherie]

hhhmm sounds like they think somethings been covered up?

its a bit odd that she was found at the waterfall, as that I presume is where the picture of her they released was taken, isn't that one of the first places they would look?

[Niamh.]

its a bit odd that she was found at the waterfall, as that I presume is where the picture of her they released was taken, isn't that one of the first places they would look?

Yeah it says in the article that they had already searched there

[Cherie]

Yeah it says in the article that they had already searched there

and that she was found the day after a reward was posted

[arista]

Autopsy result is now tomorrow
Thursday 15th Aug 2019

[Ninastar]

To me it sounds like she was excited to go see the waterfall, maybe snuck out, went to the waterfall and then maybe slipped and fell in? Her body could have been underwater for a week or so and then just shown up again recently.

Tragic all around regardless of how it happened

[Niamh.]

To me it sounds like she was excited to go see the waterfall, maybe snuck out, went to the waterfall and then maybe slipped and fell in? Her body could have been underwater for a week or so and then just shown up again recently.

Tragic all around regardless of how it happenedAs bad as that is, you'd almost hope that that's what happened, poor kid

[Ammi]

...I’m trying not to think about it until something is known from the autopsy...the possibilities atm are just too sad and too awful...her parent’s hearts must be broken in two..I couldn’t begin to imagine...:sad:...

[Ammi]

...there is hoped to be a press conference today stating the cause of death...

[bots]

Postmortem results show no sign of foul play .... what a sad sad story

[Ammi]

Nora Quoirin died from internal bleeding thought to be caused by prolonged hunger and stress, Malaysian police have said.

Authorities on Thursday said there was currently no evidence of kidnapping in the London teenager's disappearance, and said the post-mortem did not find any sign she had been sexually abused.

The remains of the 15-year-old, who was born with the brain defect holoprosencephaly and was described by her family as "vulnerable", were found on Tuesday near a jungle stream 10 days after she went missing from a rainforest resort in Seremban.

She had been on holiday at the eco resort in Malaysia with her parents and two siblings.

Nora's devastated family said their "hearts are broken" and paid tribute to her as "the truest, most precious girl".

[hijaxers]

Looking like an awful tragedy ~ no evidence of rape . I do wonder where her clothes are ?

Regarding having searched there before , the poor girl could have been wandering round in circles .

Its a very sad end but the family must feel relieved she didn't have a violent end to her life .

[Ammi]

...it’s so, so sad..:sad:..unbelievably so...with her walking difficulties, she managed to walk over one mile unaided...trying to find her family and her way back..?...it’s all too heartbreaking...

[joeysteele]

This is so tragic.

I hate hearing of things happening this way thst could and should be avoidable.

The distress she must have been in.
It's crushingly heartbreaking.
What an awful tragedy.
Bless her.

[Ammi]

...so many details leading up to..of why she went off etc when it’s not something they had felt she would do...that her parents are never going to know...

[bots]

Trying to take a more positive note. She really loved the waterfall, she went out and found it on her own, and it would be her last sight

[Cherie]

Looking like an awful tragedy ~ no evidence of rape . I do wonder where her clothes are ?

Regarding having searched there before , the poor girl could have been wandering round in circles .

Its a very sad end but the family must feel relieved she didn't have a violent end to her life .

she probably was wearing a nighty and she could have taken it off to get in the water and it got swept away maybe, its probably one of the worst cases I have ever heard because it looks like she could only have been in a small area and the original search missed her, the jungle is so dense though and if she was asleep when they went through I guess it could happen, it will take some mental strength for the family to get over this.

[Kazanne]

she probably was wearing a nighty and she could have taken it off to get in the water and it got swept away maybe, its probably one of the worst cases I have ever heard because it looks like she could only have been in a small area and the original search missed her, the jungle is so dense though and if she was asleep when they went through I guess it could happen, it will take some mental strength for the family to get over this.

That sounds quite feasible Cherie,bless her .

[arista]

[Nora Quoirin died from prolonged hunger and stress,
police confirm
Nora's body was found near a
jungle stream 10 days after she went missing
from the resort where she was staying with family.]

https://news.sky.com/story/nora-quoirin-died-from-prolonged-hunger-and-stress-police-confirm-11785610

[thesheriff443]

It makes me feel like children and vulnerable adults should wear a gps tracker, so they can be located if they go missing or they are taken.

I know of one young man who walks for miles, he has autism and he wears a tracker

[Cherie]

It makes me feel like children and vulnerable adults should wear a gps tracker, so they can be located if they go missing or they are taken.

I know of one young man who walks for miles, he has autism and he wears a tracker

great idea, though not sure it would have worked in this case as she was in bed, and the parents never in their wildest dreams thought she would go off on her own

[Toy Soldier]

It makes me feel like children and vulnerable adults should wear a gps tracker, so they can be located if they go missing or they are taken.

I know of one young man who walks for miles, he has autism and he wears a tracker

This is something I debate in my head a lot, in terms of morality, as the parent of a child with learning disabilities. I know there are tech companies currently developing under-the-skin GPS implants that have a battery life of years before needing replaced. On the one hand, I think there are some big moral questions around "chipping" a human being. On the other, I know my daughter is very vulnerable and is likely to go on to be a vulnerable teen and adult. On balance, for her safety I can't rule it out as something that I'd consider.

I would definitely give her a pocket GPS though.

[thesheriff443]

great idea, though not sure it would have worked in this case as she was in bed, and the parents never in their wildest dreams thought she would go off on her own

True, but how many parents would never of dreamed that their child would kill them selves.

[thesheriff443]

This is something I debate in my head a lot, in terms of morality, as the parent of a child with learning disabilities. I know there are tech companies currently developing under-the-skin GPS implants that have a battery life of years before needing replaced. On the one hand, I think there are some big moral questions around "chipping" a human being. On the other, I know my daughter is very vulnerable and is likely to go on to be a vulnerable teen and adult. On balance, for her safety I can't rule it out as something that I'd consider.

I would definitely give her a pocket GPS though.

I think gps has a place in this ever changing world.
Not much difference to wearing a medical alert bracelet or necklace.

[Kizzy]

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

[thesheriff443]

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

Some elderly people wear a button they they can press if they get into difficulties.

If it’s a another way of keeping loved ones safe then it’s up to those who are responsible for those with vulnerable people to use it.

Smart phones can be left behind or lost.

[Toy Soldier]

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?

I would never advocate it under normal circumstances but, not to be blunt, unless you have a child with significant non-physical disabilities it's unlikely that you'll be able to understand why it's so different, or just how many extra considerations there are.

[Cal.]

Terrible tragedy :(

The fact she was probably roaming the jungle for days in such close proximity to people searching for her <\3

I wouldn’t oppose being chipped tbh.

[Kazanne]

Terrible tragedy :(

The fact she was probably roaming the jungle for days in such close proximity to people searching for her <\3

I wouldn’t oppose being chipped tbh.

Can you imagine how scarey that would be, I hope she didn't suffer too much,poor girl. I think some sort of tracking would be ok too.

[smudgie]

If the child or persons safety is at stake then I would be in favour of chipping.
Having had a mil with dementia who loved to go walkabout at all hours through the night it would have come in handy.
Our biggest fear was that she would walk off the end of the pier.

[Nicky91]

Some elderly people wear a button they they can press if they get into difficulties.

If it’s a another way of keeping loved ones safe then it’s up to those who are responsible for those with vulnerable people to use it.

Smart phones can be left behind or lost.

yes my nan of dad's side has one of those for a few years now, after she fell and lay on the ground for quite some hours before help finally arrived, and now she has that button and when she presses that help arrives a lot faster

[Kizzy]

I would never advocate it under normal circumstances but, not to be blunt, unless you have a child with significant non-physical disabilities it's unlikely that you'll be able to understand why it's so different, or just how many extra considerations there are.

So because im not directly affected I can't understand?
That's a cop out response, there's lots of things I don't have experience of it doesn't stop me having a considered opinion on chipping.

[Toy Soldier]

So because im not directly affected I can't understand?

That's a cop out response, there's lots of things I don't have experience of it doesn't stop me having a considered opinion on chipping.This is not something I'm willing to bicker with you about, it's far too close to home. You're entitled to your opinion but it's not something that I'm going to be entering into a back and forth over so I'll leave the thread.

[thesheriff443]

So because im not directly affected I can't understand?
That's a cop out response, there's lots of things I don't have experience of it doesn't stop me having a considered opinion on chipping.

Considering you said most have smart phones I don’t think you understand the meaning of a vulnerable child or adult.

Some have no road sense and would just walk out into the road let alone working a smart phone.

If the girl in question was not abducted it means she walking into the jungle wearing only underwear. So hence a smart phone would be no use.

[Kizzy]

Considering you said most have smart phones I don’t think you understand the meaning of a vulnerable child or adult.

Some have no road sense and would just walk out into the road let alone working a smart phone.

If the girl in question was not abducted it means she walking into the jungle wearing only underwear. So hence a smart phone would be no use.

Most people have mobiles. . That's all I was commenting on.
I still don't feel chipping vulnerable people is an answer.

[thesheriff443]

Most people have mobiles. . That's all I was commenting on.
I still don't feel chipping vulnerable people is an answer.

If the girl in this thread had a chip she would have located dead or alive within a matter of hours..

If something can give those that need it a better chance in life it should be considered.

[LaLaLand]

This is so awful. That poor, poor girl. RIP sweetheart. :sad:

[Kizzy]

If the girl in this thread had a chip she would have located dead or alive within a matter of hours..

If something can give those that need it a better chance in life it should be considered.

Think about it... There's millions of vulnerable people, it's just not feasible, workable or ethical

[Josy]

Most have smart phones they can be located? I don't think chipping is the answer, all children are vulnerable, do we chip all children? People with dementia are vulnerable do we chip them?People with dementia wear gps wrist trackers when in hospital. It's far too easy for them to go unnoticed and walk off of the wards otherwise, as someone that's been through the worry of my father being in that situation a few times I think the trackers in that case are a brilliant addition and would also be a huge help for families that have vulnerable children.

Chips under the skin though is too far imo.

[Kizzy]

People with dementia wear gps wrist trackers when in hospital. It's far too easy for them to go unnoticed and walk off of the wards otherwise, as someone that's been through the worry of my father being in that situation a few times I think the trackers in that case are a brilliant addition and would also be a huge help for families that have vulnerable children.

Chips under the skin though is too far imo.

Thats a great idea I'm all for that and those trackers could be fashioned into a peice of jewellery for teens. I'm sure I remember a few years ago backpacks coming out for kids with trackers in...

[Ammi]

..Microchipping of humans would only work over short distances...I’m just reading up on it and it’s not something atm that would be developed enough to be able to consider in this context...there would also be factors like the terrain...it was very dense forest..and that would have meant the effectiveness of the chip would have been very limited, if effective at all...also that she was over 1 mile away from the resort...it is something to be given thought to though for families in care of vulnerable adults...thoughts of her being alive for around a week and dying of prolonged starvation and stress...:sad:...unbearable thought...

[thesheriff443]

I think under the skin trackers are a thing for the future, also I think chips under the skin that contain medical information may be introduced in thisever changing world.

We are being constantly tracked now, look for something on the internet suddenly that item is popping up in your in box or on Facebook.

For those that think they are going about Un tracked if you have a smart phone your were abouts can be found if you receive or make calls in an area you will leave a Permanent marker that can me accessed.

[Toy Soldier]

The ethics of it are where my questions lie but that's where it gets very complicated. In general, I would be against tracking devices because of rights to privacy, autonomy, etc - and those things should be preserved as far as ossible for all individuals whether they have a disability or not - but when it comes to people who can't safely be unsupervised anyway is it maybe different? If there is literally NO circumstance where they could safely be outdoors without being accompanied, then those considerations become somewhat moot? It's a situation that applies to my daughter and may well apply for her entire life... She is at very real, immediate risk the second she steps out the door if she isn't with someone. There is no prospect of her being able to go off anywhere on her own (outside of the house) anyway. And so the autonomy aspects of "being tracked" just don't really come into play.

I'd never advocate forced tracking of the majority of teenagers for example because yes, whilst we might worry about them and they might go places we don't like, they are generally MOSTLY safe to have that freedom and autonomy. They can find their way home, they're aware of traffic and physical dangers... If they do get totally lost (in an area with people) they can ask for help, make a phone call, tell the police their name and where they live. When it's a vulnerable person who can't do any of those things I can't help but think it is just different.

In response to Ammi: I know the technology isn't quite there yet anyway but I've also read that there are currently various tech companies working on things like this.

[joeysteele]

..Microchipping of humans would only work over short distances...I’m just reading up on it and it’s not something atm that would be developed enough to be able to consider in this context...there would also be factors like the terrain...it was very dense forest..and that would have meant the effectiveness of the chip would have been very limited, if effective at all...also that she was over 1 mile away from the resort...it is something to be given thought to though for families in care of vulnerable adults...thoughts of her being alive for around a week and dying of prolonged starvation and stress...:sad:...unbearable thought...


The last lines of this post really hits home.

Listening to the results of the autopsy was distressing for me to hear.
For those who knew her and for her family this is beyond any kind of imagining the crushing devastation they must feel now.

Starving to death is horrible to the extreme.
To think a meal, water would have avoided this torture and excruciatingly pain filled loss.

It's awful, just thinking about it.
Horrible.

[Kazanne]

Another addition to this story

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nora-quoirin-spotted-swimming-in-jungle-river-by-malaysian-locals-on-day-she-vanished/ar-AAFU6OZ?ocid=spartandhp

[Ammi]

...the cause of her death is known...but it’s now to try to put the pieces together of how she got to that place, when her family are stating they don’t feel she wandered off alone...and had severe mobility difficulties...still so may questions which have no answers...

[Kazanne]

Here is another,who knows what is true so many twists to this story.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nora-did-not-get-to-waterfall-by-herself-malaysian-search-team-expert-claims-it-would-have-been-impossible-for-15-year-old-to-reach-ravine-where-she-was-found-starved-to-deathas-family-consider-second-postmortem/ar-AAFU7KL?ocid=spartandhp

[Cherie]

I must admit I find it odd she wasn't found in the initial search, and barefoot over that terrain does seem strange, but then on the other hand she was sharing a bedroom so would she not have screamed if abducted and the abductor would have to be very stealthy, and they had only just arrived so it would have been very opportunistic, I just dont know what to think, I do think they should have UK postmorten to ease their concerns though

[bots]

if the parents say that she was unable to get to that location by natural means, i believe them. Anyone that knows her intimately would know that too. It's not something they could make up

[arista]

if the parents say that she was unable to get to that location by natural means, i believe them. Anyone that knows her intimately would know that too. It's not something they could make up



But as she was on Magical Holiday
and she knew the waterfall was near
so she became brave and left her room
via the window.
Sadly died near the water.

The Parents needed locked windows

[Niamh.]

Locked windows carry more of a risk Arista, I'd imagine it would be against fire safety regulations

[Cherie]

https://extra.ie/2020/01/05/news/irish-news/nora-quoirins-parents-suing

Nora’s parents have alleged that there were no CCTV cameras in the resort and that the windows in their room were not secure.
In legal documents, the Quoirins claim that Nora’s death and disappearance ‘were caused directly by the defendant’s negligence and/or recklessness both by way of act or conduct and omission’.
Nora Quoirin’s body was found in the Malaysian jungle 10 days after she initially vanished from the resort on August 4.

Sankara Nair, a lawyer for Nora’s parents Meabh and Sebastien Quoirin, said the family strongly believed Nora was abducted as she has mental and physical disabilities and could not have wandered off on her own.
The lawsuit says a cottage window was found ajar, with its latch broken, on the morning she disappeared.
The resort gate was left open at all times without any security and there was no surveillance camera except for the reception area, the legal papers said.
Nora had poor motor skills and needed help to walk, and her mental age was about five or six years old, her parents said in the claim.

[arista]

The Problem
for the Parents is the
Case is Closed.
They can do no more

[Ammi]

Nóra Quoirin: Site of Malaysian body find 'searched several times'...




A London schoolgirl who vanished from a Malaysian jungle resort may have been "alive and moving" during early searches for her, an inquest has heard.
The body of Nóra Quoirin, 15, was found after a huge hunt through dense rainforest last August.
A policeman told the hearing that the location where Nóra was eventually discovered had already been searched several times but nothing was found.
This suggested she was "not there" when search teams were, the court was told.
Nóra was first reported missing a day after she and her family arrived Dusan eco-resort near Seremban, about 40 miles (65 km) south of Kuala Lumpur, on 3 August.
Her body was found on 13 August by a group of civilian search volunteers in a hilly part of a palm-oil plantation about 1.5 miles from the holiday home.
'Not there'
At the inquest, deputy public prosecutor Muhamad Iskandar Ahmad asked Supt Mohamad Nor Marzukee Besar how many times had the police searched the exact location of the body find.
Mr Besar answered: "Three times. The fourth day, the fifth day, and the sixth day [of the search]."
Mr Ahmad asked Mr Besar what assumptions he could draw from this.
"We can assume that when the search team was in the area, the missing person was still alive and moving," Mr Besar said.
"So it is possible that when we were there, the missing person was not there."
According to Mr Besar, police last searched the area where Nóra was found on 9 August.


Mr Besar also told the inquest that police had performed a further search after Nóra's family told them she had last been seen wearing underwear.
He said that her body was found naked, and this raised the question of where her clothing had ended up.
Despite the extra search, Nóra's underwear was never found, the inquest heard.
Mr Besar also said police believed Nóra had left through an open window in the resort house where her family was staying.
Nóra's family have always insisted it was highly unlikely their daughter - who was born with holoprosencephaly, a disorder which affects brain development - would have wandered off alone.
Mr Besar said CCTV footage from Kuala Lumpur Airport, screened in the courtroom, had shown Nóra walking "normally".
Based on this, he said, police had assumed it was possible for her "to go towards the mountain".



Nóra's mother Meabh, 46, and father Sebastian, 48, are following the inquest via videolink due to the coronavirus pandemic.
They disagree with local police, who believe there was no foul play involved in their daughter's death, and have pushed for the inquest being held in the city of Seremban.
The inquest is scheduled to last until 18 September.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53919837


...so her underwear was the only clothing not found, is how I read it...

[Nicky91]

https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1326493793563107328