Corbyn attack to stop the disastrous no deal brexit and response from other MP's

[Nicky91]

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/15/lib-dems-urged-to-back-corbyn-as-interim-pm-to-stop-no-deal-brexit

https://www.dw.com/en/jeremy-corbyn-unveils-plan-to-stop-no-deal-brexit/a-50033187

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-pm-block-no-deal-brexit-cross-party-general-election-a9058886.html

[joeysteele]

As leader of the opposition, like him or hate him.
He is the one who if a government lost a no confidence motion, to be the one to try to form a government.

He only intends to seek an extension from the EU for a general election to be held.
To add holding another EU vote too.

Lib Dem Jo Swinson could be the one who now ensures a no deal brexit.
Because if it stays as it is, she can't have the Lib Dens supporting a no confidence motion, which has to be tabled by Corbyn.
To then not have any extension with the EU.

If the country want no deal, then in the general election they will return a majority Con government.

If there's no extension with the EU, the Lib Dems will make no deal not possible but near certain by Swinson's current stance.

[Twosugars]

He's in his rights to try and put together an alternative government
Parliamentary democracy in action
Taking back control and all that :hee:

Swinson needs to get her priorities right

[Kizzy]

Absolutely right 2s, Aaron Bastani of Novara media posted on you tube of the lib dems 'support' for remain... when you peel away the words there's not been much action against the govts railroading towards a no deal brexit.

[Kazanne]

He was against the EU for most of his career , now suddenly he does a U Turn,is this guy for real ? he has seen an opportunity to get in number 10 and that's it , lol, he is so desperate to be PM .

[Kizzy]

He's not against the UK is he? that's who he's proposing doing the deal for...it's a strictly time limited offer to facilitate brexit, where's the harm? Nobody else has managed it, this would be with cross party support a very democratic decision :/

[Scarlett.]

He was against the EU for most of his career , now suddenly he does a U Turn,is this guy for real ? he has seen an opportunity to get in number 10 and that's it , lol, he is so desperate to be PM .

He's against no deal, as everyone should be. No deal would be disastrous for the UK

[Withano]

A man who doesn’t want the country to go to ****? This won’t go down well with brexiteers. Hope you all got your winter coats ready, the snowflakes are coming.

[arista]

He does not have every Labour MP
backing him.
LibDem leader will not let he become Temp PM.

[arista]

He's in his rights to try and put together an alternative government
Parliamentary democracy in action
Taking back control and all that :hee:

Swinson needs to get her priorities right


She wants Another Labour MP
or Conservative Kenneth Clarke

[Nicky91]

He does not have every Labour MP
backing him.
LibDem leader will not let he become Temp PM.

well someone has to do god's work and stop the delusional brexiteers (who stupidly think britain is still an empire, which they aren't anymore)

no deal brexit is a disaster, i agree with Jeremy, the only ones who won't suffer with no deal brexit are the british elite ;) the selfish british elite who only think about themselves, and not the middle class british people

[Twosugars]

She wants Another Labour MP
or Conservative Kenneth Clarke

And I want a star from heaven

Politics is compromise sometimes

[arista]

Even the small party Change UK
will not support Corbyn.
Also DUP will not support Corbyn

So many against is plan.

[Twosugars]

Party politics before national interest
Typical

[joeysteele]

Spot on Nicky and Kizzy..

Next to no Labour voters wanted or want no deal.
More Labour voters voted remain than leave.
Parliament doesn't want a no deal.

Hardly desperate to be PM.
That's more a charge to be levelled at Johnson who has backstabbed the last 2 Prime Ministers to get there.

Corbyn would be voting himself out of office almost as soon as he was PM.

This lot won't listen that no deal isn't wanted.

Every other party, bar the sectarian extreme DUP, want Corbyn to table the no confidence motion.
No one else can.

He'd then get an extension from the EU, then call for a general election.
Which he could lose.

His is a good plan, it could kill no deal once and for all.
It just may pull the UK back from the brink of chaos, this extreme hard-line Cabinet are insisting on taking us to, no matter the consequences.

He'd be PM a very short time.
Desperate, his unfair critics are that more than he is.

I don't care for him but this plan, is, one of the easiest and best ways to bring a halt to no deal before end of October.
In fact, it's one if his better ideas.

It's just sad the UK has a PM and Cabinet, hell bent on ignoring all the more moderate voices, inside and out of Parliament.
Many of whom have both ways changed their stance on being in the EU.

[bots]

May repeated over and over before the last GE that no deal was better than a bad deal and she won the election. It's about a 50/50 split in the population. Parliament and business in the majority don't want a no deal.

The simplest solution and the one most likely to succeed is revoking article 50. It's much less messy than a no confidence vote. MP's don't want to admit it yet for obvious reasons, but that's what will be voted on eventually

[Alf]

And I want a star from heaven

Politics is compromise sometimesWhich star, Marilyn Monroe?

[joeysteele]

Theresa May did not win the last election.
She actually lost her overall majority and the mandate given in ,2015.
She got the most votes and most seats but left unable to govern alone.

No other party in ,2017 canvassed on a no deal brexit.
None, not even the DUP.
57% of votes went to parties advocating a deal and not no deal at all.

In any event, she intended to get a deal and she did.
However all other Parties, a good number of her own party and the DUP voted against her.

I agree with bitontheslide, revoking article ,50 is the best thing.

The Cons will never vote for that and a number of Labour MPs and the DUP sadly won't either.

Which is why Corbyn's plan is one of the better ones.
However it is doomed due to the LibDems and the Independents.

So what next.
Ken Clarke leading a temporary coalition would infuriate the ERG group in the Cons.

I doubt Harriett Harman could unite either.

So it seems the Lib Dems while saying they would do anything it takes to stop no deal.
Aren't prepared to do anything at all.

They may be forced to look back at this period and see the bad choice they made here..

[Twosugars]

Hope they can compromise. Maybe pick someone relatively independent?

[Kizzy]

Hope they can compromise. Maybe pick someone relatively independent?

It doesn't work like that, if there is a vote of no confidence in the pm then the leader of the party with the second largest majority asks to form an interim govt.
He wants exactly what the lib dems want, to me this is to personal they're not thinking whats best for the country at this moment.

[Nicky91]

It doesn't work like that, if there is a vote of no confidence in the pm then the leader of the party with the second largest majority asks to form an interim govt.
He wants exactly what the lib dems want, to me this is to personal they're not thinking whats best for the country at this moment.

well a no deal brexit would be worst case scenario for britain

like even though you want to leave the EU, you'd at least want to hold on to some of the trade deals you got with europe

certain foods coming in, or wines or flowers

seriously the ''brexit mess'' continues to give me a headache how complicated it has gotten

[arista]

well a no deal brexit would be worst case scenario for britain

like even though you want to leave the EU, you'd at least want to hold on to some of the trade deals you got with europe

certain foods coming in, or wines or flowers

seriously the ''brexit mess'' continues to give me a headache how complicated it has gotten


Sure and Germany
a nation soon to go into a
Recession will hate a "no deal"


But at least we will be out of the EU>

[Nicky91]

Sure and Germany
a nation soon to go into a
Recession will hate a "no deal"


But at least we will be out of the EU>

i don't believe that to be true, unless it comes from one of Germany's news sites, channels themselves

[arista]

This Whole Corbyn idea
is Crazy - Its No way a Government of Unity.

Even all the Remain Conservatives
are against Corbyn
he has No Unity.

[bots]

all the "national unity" governments proposed so far are led by people who want to remain in the eu so it's hardly unity.

Why don't they just call it what it is .... an unconstitutional grab for power

[Twosugars]

all the "national unity" governments proposed so far are led by people who want to remain in the eu so it's hardly unity.

Why don't they just call it what it is .... an unconstitutional grab for power

why unconstitutional?
if a government loses confidence the second largest party has every right to try and form a new government
and the ref was advisory so a government could refuse to take that advice

all perfectly above board

[bots]

why unconstitutional?
if a government loses confidence the second largest party has every right to try and form a new government
and the ref was advisory so a government could refuse to take that advice

all perfectly above board

of course it's unconstitutional. When the likes of Lucas, with no public support can try and form a government with a cabinet 100% women. Of course its unconstitutional when Clarke can become PM.

It's a power grab, nothing more. Corbyn doesn't have a mandate to govern. He has less seats than the tories.

If a government of national unity does come to pass there will be civil war in the UK, be in no doubt

[arista]

Yes Twosugars stop looking at this as a Remain
enforcement


Corbyn has far to many MP's against him

[Kizzy]

of course it's unconstitutional. When the likes of Lucas, with no public support can try and form a government with a cabinet 100% women. Of course its unconstitutional when Clarke can become PM.

It's a power grab, nothing more. Corbyn doesn't have a mandate to govern. He has less seats than the tories.

If a government of national unity does come to pass there will be civil war in the UK, be in no doubt

There will be civil war just over 30% of the electorate those that voted in the referendum want no deal... as you said yourself the commons don't want it, business doesn't want it ... so who the heck does?!

[Twosugars]

of course it's unconstitutional. When the likes of Lucas, with no public support can try and form a government with a cabinet 100% women. Of course its unconstitutional when Clarke can become PM.

It's a power grab, nothing more. Corbyn doesn't have a mandate to govern. He has less seats than the tories.

If a government of national unity does come to pass there will be civil war in the UK, be in no doubt

Civil war? :laugh: dont make me laugh. Who will fight, farage and some angry pensioners?
Civil disobedience doesn't have great track record in this country, people are too flegmatic

I repeat, if the biggest party loses confidence, the second biggest has every right to form a government and designate whoever has best chances as a PM

[Twosugars]

Yes Twosugars stop looking at this as a Remain
enforcement


Corbyn has far to many MP's against him

I dont want a remain enforcement but a new referendum. And would accept its result.
At this point I dont even think remain is a serious option. A soft brexit is.
Clearly this country is not in a fit state to be an EU member any more.

[Scarlett.]

Yeah, at this point, I wish we'd just accept the deal so we can all move on, instead of this perpetual ****show.

[Nicky91]

Civil war? :laugh: dont make me laugh. Who will fight, farage and some angry pensioners?
Civil disobedience doesn't have great track record in this country, people are too flegmatic

I repeat, if the biggest party loses confidence, the second biggest has every right to form a government and designate whoever has best chances as a PM

honestly brexiteers aren't just old people i recently found that one out

but most in his brexit party are the elite, also Farage having those grant sisters to draw in more youth is quite funny, how it feels like them reading manifesto scripts

also those sisters calling themselves among ''ordinary people'' is hilarious since not everyone in britain speaks that posh


but yeah anyway i will stop being ageist, since those who want brexit aren't just old people

and if they want a brexit, well they can have it, but they should be prepared of the negative consequences for the overall middle class british people who will struggle

[Twosugars]

Dia, you have the best sig :love:

[Scarlett.]

Dia, you have the best sig :love:

Thankies :bouncy:

[Twosugars]

Thankies :bouncy:

It's beautiful...

[arista]

I dont want a remain enforcement but a new referendum. And would accept its result.
At this point I dont even think remain is a serious option. A soft brexit is.
Clearly this country is not in a fit state to be an EU member any more.


You may
But Bloody LibDem Leader will not
if it is to leave etc.

[arista]

Working Class Stinking Rich Plumber
going mental.

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[Twosugars]

Business dont want no deal
Unless they are currency speculators or hedge funds

What line of business are you in Arista?

[Underscore]

OKAY so

LABOUR called the Lib Dems Tories. LABOUR called the Tories fascists. LABOUR drove the Jewish MPs from their party, now they want remainers from the Tories and Lib Dems (as well as the ousted Jewish MPs) to back Corbyn?

It's called moral integrity. Corbyn has sat on his arse watching Brexit go on for three years and all the sudden sees a shift in what the electorate wants and now is blaming Lib Dems for trying to block an end to Brexit when we've been fighting against it for 3 years. We don't go with Labour because of integrity.

[Underscore]

I am NOT against a GNU, in fact I'm a major supporter of it. Just not with Corbyn at the helm. Hell, I'd even have Tom Watson as PM

[Twosugars]

OKAY so

LABOUR called the Lib Dems Tories. LABOUR called the Tories fascists. LABOUR drove the Jewish MPs from their party, now they want remainers from the Tories and Lib Dems (as well as the ousted Jewish MPs) to back Corbyn?

It's called moral integrity. Corbyn has sat on his arse watching Brexit go on for three years and all the sudden sees a shift in what the electorate wants and now is blaming Lib Dems for trying to block an end to Brexit when we've been fighting against it for 3 years. We don't go with Labour because of integrity.

Yup you play party games who is to blame
In the meantime the blond clown will give us no deal
And then you and labour will BOTH look stupid :idc:

[Underscore]

Yup you play party games who is to blame
In the meantime the blond clown will give us no deal
And then you and labour will BOTH look stupid :idc:

We've scuppered our principles before and look where it got us. We don't make the same mistake twice and we're eagerly proving that to the electorate

[arista]

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This thread needs a Laugh break.

[Twosugars]

We've scuppered our principles before and look where it got us. We don't make the same mistake twice and we're eagerly proving that to the electorate

The thing is you will betray your principles by not doing everything in your power to stop no deal brexit.
With cons you did that by doing something, now you will do that by not doing something

Everybody should hold their nose and go with labour. Ideally Harman as pm but also corbyn if nothing else is possible

[Underscore]

The thing is you will betray your principles by not doing everything in your power to stop no deal brexit.
With cons you did that by doing something, now you will do that by not doing something

Everybody should hold their nose and go with labour. Ideally Harman as pm but also corbyn if nothing else is possible

I'd be more on board if we asked for something in return also. Ideally a move to proportional representation before the new election because lets face it, everyone can agree on that and I doubt a Labour majority if they ever get one would do it off their own backs

[arista]

Business dont want no deal
Unless they are currency speculators or hedge funds

What line of business are you in Arista?



International.
That's all you can have from me.

[Nicky91]

I'd be more on board if we asked for something in return also. Ideally a move to proportional representation before the new election because lets face it, everyone can agree on that and I doubt a Labour majority if they ever get one would do it off their own backs

shame british Labour hasn't got someone like Frans Timmermans, he had a huge majority win here in my country for Labour, at the eu elections

and that while Labour had been struggling in other elections in recent years here

and yes our current leader Asscher had met up with Corbyn few times

[Twosugars]

International.
That's all you can have from me.

Not you selling weapons:omgno:

[Kazanne]

Working Class Stinking Rich Plumber
going mental.

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:laugh: I bet Boris is trembling:laugh:

[arista]

Not you selling weapons:omgno:



No that's dome legally by the Government Contracts

Not me.

[Twosugars]

No that's dome legally by the Government Contracts

Not me.

Do you add any value/produce anything or is it speculation?

[MTVN]

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[bots]

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yep, that's why there would be uproar if Corbyn got to be PM. With the tensions that there are at the moment, I think there will be rioting in the streets if Corbyn got in

[Twosugars]

Yeah right, rioting:rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

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This shows me that Jo Swinson is not doing what her members want.

[bots]

Yeah right, rioting:rolleyes:

glad you find it funny :umm2:

You have no idea how civil wars start

[joeysteele]

This shows me that Jo Swinson is not doing what her members want.

I still find it astounding that anyone even takes notice of polls.
Especially snap Polls.

There's not much to go on in that one except that Lib Dem voters as you say would go for Corbyn's plan.

Another poll mentioned on the papers review 2 nights ago said voters rejected no deal by 48% to 34%

I hold little faith in that one either.

Polling is subject to how a question is asked.
However there's been great errors in all polling for the last decade at least now.

[Twosugars]

glad you find it funny :umm2:

You have no idea how civil wars start

How many civil wars you experienced?
I was brought up in a country that experienced a lot: Solidarity movement, general strikes, bloody riots and a martial law so dont lecture me on that

I simply think you're being ott with you war and riots predictions

Corbyn premiership will not cause either.

But once brexiters start dismantling NHS that's a different matter, that may cause unrest

[Nicky91]

How many civil wars you experienced?
I was brought up in a country that experienced a lot: Solidarity movement, general strikes, bloody riots and a martial law so dont lecture me on that

I simply think you're being ott with you war and riots predictions

Corbyn premiership will not cause either.

But once brexiters start dismantling NHS that's a different matter, that may cause unrest

Corbyn is hated throughout the country but you think him being PM won't cause riots :umm2:

[Nicky91]

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Lol the delusion here, the only way Labour can be popular again in britain is if they get rid of Corbyn and get a more stable leader and far less controversial

[Twosugars]

Corbyn is hated throughout the country but you think him being PM won't cause riots :umm2:

So hated that labour under him improved their election result in 2017 compared to 2015 :hehe:

[joeysteele]

Corbyn is hated throughout the country but you think him being PM won't cause riots :umm2:

He actually isn't hated throughout the Country.
Only by those more to the right of politics.

No PM elected to lead a government should lead to riots.

There'd be relief if he was PM with Labour policies to help restore dignity and respect to the sick and disabled and most vulnerable in society, after a near decade now of discrimination and humiliation of them, even the terminally ill by the last 2 Prime Ministers and now this 3rd in a row one too.

If there was ever any justification for riots that is more a reason for them, than just hating or disliking an elected leader politically.

We are supposed to be a decent Nation and a democracy.

[Twosugars]

He actually isn't hated throughout the Country.
Only by those more to the right of politics.

No PM elected to lead a government should lead to riots.

There'd be relief if he was PM with Labour policies to help restore dignity and respect to the sick and disabled and most vulnerable in society, after a near decade now of discrimination and humiliation of them, even the terminally ill by the last 2 Prime Ministers and now this 3rd in a row one too.

If there was ever any justification for riots that is more a reason for them, than just hating or disliking an elected leader politically.

We are supposed to be a decent Nation and a democracy.

:clap1:

[Withano]

yep, that's why there would be uproar if Corbyn got to be PM. With the tensions that there are at the moment, I think there will be rioting in the streets if Corbyn got in

Right wing people riot a lot tbf, this isn’t new.

[Vicky.]

Leader of opposition doing what leaders of opposition do. Shock horror!

Does seem like a power grab mind..gotta agree with that. He could surely, also throw his support behind someone else, if no deal is the most important thing in this, rather than him being in control..

[Kazanne]

Was listening to LBC this morning and Corbyn doesn't seem that popular to me, ministers have blocked the deal May had at every opportunity, so Corbyn wont do any better, he will just delay it and it will be the same old ,same old drivel all the time,most people are sick of talking about it,sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind so if we have to come out with no deal,so be it,I am sure we will all cope,we have coped with much worse, people voted out so out we should come whether we like it or not,we cant all have what we want,people just want it so easy all the time .The project fear is being rolled out constantly,its a load of tosh,We will be fine,might have a few teething problems but we will get through it.

[Vicky.]

Issue with 'people voted leave so no deal is fine' is..a hell of a lot of people voted leave as we were assured there would be some kind of deal. They might not have voted leave if they knew..well the ****show the whole thing would become.

Noone will ever get any deal passed in parliament I don't think, seems way too 50/50.

[The Slim Reaper]

Was listening to LBC this morning and Corbyn doesn't seem that popular to me, ministers have blocked the deal May had at every opportunity, so Corbyn wont do any better, he will just delay it and it will be the same old ,same old drivel all the time,most people are sick of talking about it,sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind so if we have to come out with no deal,so be it,I am sure we will all cope,we have coped with much worse, people voted out so out we should come whether we like it or not,we cant all have what we want,people just want it so easy all the time .The project fear is being rolled out constantly,its a load of tosh,We will be fine,might have a few teething problems but we will get through it.

The government's own memo has been leaked and it talks of food, medicine and fuel shortages. This isn't project fear, these are the folks that want to leave with a no deal on the 31st.

Is this seriously what you would be happy with? We don't have to live like it's WWII rations; it's 2019 and we live in one of the wealthiest countries on earth. I get that people want/wanted to leave the EU, but at the cost of hurting yourself, your children, and the people you love?

Everything the so-called project fear told you, is being proved more and more to be true. I'm trying to understand what you think we're getting in return for living like it's Victorian England all over again. There's nothing wrong with owning up to the fact that you were conned, and were sold a bill of goods that simply don't exist. It doesn't reflect poorly on you, it's a curse on all the liars and con men that tried to railroad a majority of the population into crippling the country so they could take advantage of the ruins.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, 'project fear'..is anything but. Its simply, truthtelling. Yet, so many are willing to overlook the obvious problems we would have crashing out with no deal..and it baffles me tbh.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't believe that anyone would be happy sending their child to bed in a cold house in winter without a meal, just so we can leave the EU because they think they "won" something in the referendum, and they are so desperate to collect their prize.

[AnnieK]

Its a terrifying thought that we will leave with no deal....we are in no way prepared for that. The number of industries that will be hit, redundancies, medical shortages is awful. If we have thought that the last 10 years of austerity have been bad, the next 10 is frightening. There's no way this PM will admit he peddled bull**** though so we are heading for disaster....

[Twosugars]

Was listening to LBC this morning and Corbyn doesn't seem that popular to me, ministers have blocked the deal May had at every opportunity, so Corbyn wont do any better, he will just delay it and it will be the same old ,same old drivel all the time,most people are sick of talking about it,sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind so if we have to come out with no deal,so be it,I am sure we will all cope,we have coped with much worse, people voted out so out we should come whether we like it or not,we cant all have what we want,people just want it so easy all the time .The project fear is being rolled out constantly,its a load of tosh,We will be fine,might have a few teething problems but we will get through it.

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

[AnnieK]

Was listening to LBC this morning and Corbyn doesn't seem that popular to me, ministers have blocked the deal May had at every opportunity, so Corbyn wont do any better, he will just delay it and it will be the same old ,same old drivel all the time,most people are sick of talking about it,sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind so if we have to come out with no deal,so be it,I am sure we will all cope,we have coped with much worse, people voted out so out we should come whether we like it or not,we cant all have what we want,people just want it so easy all the time .The project fear is being rolled out constantly,its a load of tosh,We will be fine,might have a few teething problems but we will get through it.

Some people will cope.....but not all. The number of families on the breadline will increase, the number of children living in poverty will increase, people having to claim benefits will increase. The wealthy will cope, the poor will not

[Vicky.]

So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

And, lest we forget the quote in my sig, from farage


In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.

When talking about 'remoaners' not respecting the vote and stuff. When he thought leave would lose, he was already planning to push for another vote. Yet oddly when he got his way ,it was absolutely disgusting for anyone to say the majority was really slim and it might be a good idea to wait until..well its more concrete, the voting numbers.

[The Slim Reaper]

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

To be fair to Kaz, she was conned and believed the lies she was sold. It happens everyday and we've all been conned in our life, be it by a person in a relationship, or someone selling us something that doesn't turn out to be what was promised. The shame is on the shysters that lied and cheated, not the people that believed them.

[Vicky.]

To be fair to Kaz, she was conned and believed the lies she was sold. It happens everyday and we've all been conned in our life, be it by a person in a relationship, or someone selling us something that doesn't turn out to be what was promised. The shame is on the shysters that lied and cheated, not the people that believed them.

*believe

As despite all the evidence pointing to it being a disaster for us, people still stick their heads in the sand and say its nothing to worry about and its just 'project fear'.

[AnnieK]

To be fair to Kaz, she was conned and believed the lies she was sold. It happens everyday and we've all been conned in our life, be it by a person in a relationship, or someone selling us something that doesn't turn out to be what was promised. The shame is on the shysters that lied and cheated, not the people that believed them.

The problem is though, the people who do / did believe the lies though are parroting that we will be ok, even in the face of leaked documents, with it becoming more increasingly obvious that a No Deal is going to at best massively impact the poor and vulnerable and at worst bring the country to its knees and impact us all hugely. I'm genuinely worried for my son's generation

[Alf]

I'll be absolutely fine.

And I'm poor.

I have nothing to loose, and everything to gain.

[Vicky.]

What do you feel you will gain by no deal alf? Genuinely curious here.

[Nicky91]

I'll be absolutely fine.

And I'm poor.

I have nothing to loose, and everything to gain.

''everything to gain'' uh no, the poor will struggle in britain after a no deal


the rich will stay rich or gain even more

[Kazanne]

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

So why don't you get your head round that some people don't agree with you and stop spouting fear all the time.As for Farage, I don't follow him so don't know that much about him ,so there you go again spouting off that you think you know who and what people are listening to.

[Kizzy]

Corbyn is hated throughout the country but you think him being PM won't cause riots :umm2:

No he isn't. ...you need to put down the tabloids :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

The problem is though, the people who do / did believe the lies though are parroting that we will be ok, even in the face of leaked documents, with it becoming more increasingly obvious that a No Deal is going to at best massively impact the poor and vulnerable and at worst bring the country to its knees and impact us all hugely. I'm genuinely worried for my son's generation

He'll be fine. I'm sure in Boris' glorious vision for our country he'll be working 19 hour days in factories before he hits puberty.

[The Slim Reaper]

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

So why don't you get your head round that some people don't agree with you and stop spouting fear all the time.As for Farage, I don't follow him so don't know that much about him ,so there you go again spouting off that you think you know who and what people are listening to.

So what about BJ's own government saying what a disaster no deal will be? Is BJ part of project fear, too?

[Kazanne]

So what about BJ's own government saying what a disaster no deal will be? Is BJ part of project fear, too?

Its a mess , not going to deny that and IF Corbyn is so eager to sort Brexit let him back a more popular MP to do it, from what I have seen he is just too desperate to be PM at any costs, lots of MPs want to remain ,hence the blocking of Mays deal all the time , we had a deal it was not good enough for them , so what do they think they can achieve now? and what do you say to all those people who voted to come out ? In a way I hope Corbyn gets in there, lets see what he can do and what he will do if we have another vote and its the same outcome.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its a mess , not going to deny that and IF Corbyn is so eager to sort Brexit let him back a more popular MP to do it, from what I have seen he is just too desperate to be PM at any costs, lots of MPs want to remain ,hence the blocking of Mays deal all the time , we had a deal it was not good enough for them , so what do they think they can achieve now? and what do you say to all those people who voted to come out ? In a way I hope Corbyn gets in there, lets see what he can do and what he will do if we have another vote and its the same outcome.

I agree that it's a mess, but you seem way too focussed on Corbyn. It wasn't Corbyn who called the ref, he didn't promise you the world, and he didn't lie to you.

I have my own issues with Corbyn's leadership through brexit, and his willingness to play between the margins of leaving and remaining, but lets be 100% clear, none of this mess is his fault.

Your anger is justified, but it needs to be directed at the people who lied and cheated their way to the result, not the folks trying to clear up this mess. However it all pans out, half of us will be pissed off, so instead of wedding yourself to the liars, maybe hold them accountable, and not the opposition leader with policy positions that are only geared towards making the lives of every day citizens better.

[Kizzy]

Most people dont want the country turning its back on its neighbours and becoming dependent on america and other distant countries.
And your 1.9 percent majority doesn't give you a mandate to leave in the worst way possible.
So get your head around that instead of spouting farage propaganda

So why don't you get your head round that some people don't agree with you and stop spouting fear all the time.As for Farage, I don't follow him so don't know that much about him ,so there you go again spouting off that you think you know who and what people are listening to.

Says the person reducing other peoples opinion to being influenced 'project fear' ..

You do know that phrase is just right wing media spin don't you? Define project fear for me, because it seems to me it's just mocking people and businesses with relevant concern and genuine anxiety surrounding no deal ...without providing adequate reassurance.

Just what are you listening to?

[Kazanne]

I agree that it's a mess, but you seem way too focussed on Corbyn. It wasn't Corbyn who called the ref, he didn't promise you the world, and he didn't lie to you.

I have my own issues with Corbyn's leadership through brexit, and his willingness to play between the margins of leaving and remaining, but lets be 100% clear, none of this mess is his fault.

Your anger is justified, but it needs to be directed at the people who lied and cheated their way to the result, not the folks trying to clear up this mess. However it all pans out, half of us will be pissed off, so instead of wedding yourself to the liars, maybe hold them accountable, and not the opposition leader with policy positions that are only geared towards making the lives of every day citizens better.

I don't trust any of them Slim,I am not that politically minded, I am your ordinary bog standard voter ,all I know is it has dragged on and on,no one will be happy with the outcome,I am not angry just bored of it all,I just wish someone would get their finger out and sort it one way or another, it would be nice just to get back to sorting our country out, I can only go by what I hear mostly, i'm a bit of a novice, but can see the country in the main is pissed off with it all. I cant see the EU changing the deal they gave May and it was rejected, so where do we go from there ?

[Vicky.]

I don't trust any of them Slim,I am not that politically minded, I am your ordinary bog standard voter ,all I know is it has dragged on and on,no one will be happy with the outcome,I am not angry just bored of it all,I just wish someone would get their finger out and sort it one way or another, it would be nice just to get back to sorting our country out, I can only go by what I hear mostly, i'm a bit of a novice, but can see the country in the main is pissed off with it all. I cant see the EU changing the deal they gave May and it was rejected, so where do we go from there ?

Only solution I see really is, another refendum, no deal or revoke. :shrug: Whichever wins, go for it. Leaving with no deal would pirss offmore than half the country, as a lot of leave voters do not want no deal..or it seems a lot from those I speak to anyway, not sure if its universal or not that they realise they were sold a pack of lies, and know no deal will screw the country..expected some kind of deal as thats what was promised basically.

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't trust any of them Slim,I am not that politically minded, I am your ordinary bog standard voter ,all I know is it has dragged on and on,no one will be happy with the outcome,I am not angry just bored of it all,I just wish someone would get their finger out and sort it one way or another, it would be nice just to get back to sorting our country out, I can only go by what I hear mostly, i'm a bit of a novice, but can see the country in the main is pissed off with it all. I cant see the EU changing the deal they gave May and it was rejected, so where do we go from there ?

That's fair and understandable. Here's the rub, we already have the best deals in place that we could ever possibly get. What made Mays deal unacceptable, is the fact we know we've already got so much better, when people like Davis and Raab were on TV before the ref telling everyone we'd be the ones dictating everything.

I'll make a deal with you; you be open to changing your mind on brexit, and dispensing with this project fear nonsense, and if you ever want to know anything about it, you pm me and I'll answer your questions, and if I don't know, I'll find out for you.

Not Knowing enough about it isn't a crime, it makes you the perfect target for liars like Johnson.

[Kazanne]

That's fair and understandable. Here's the rub, we already have the best deals in place that we could ever possibly get. What made Mays deal unacceptable, is the fact we know we've already got so much better, when people like Davis and Raab were on TV before the ref telling everyone we'd be the ones dictating everything.

I'll make a deal with you; you be open to changing your mind on brexit, and dispensing with this project fear nonsense, and if you ever want to know anything about it, you pm me and I'll answer your questions, and if I don't know, I'll find out for you.

Not Knowing enough about it isn't a crime, it makes you the perfect target for liars like Johnson.

Its a deal Slim,I am open minded so you might get a few Pms lol,as I like to learn and obviously want the best for my kids ,its dragged on over 3 years now, and it's dividing the country.:wavey:

[Kazanne]

Only solution I see really is, another refendum, no deal or revoke. :shrug: Whichever wins, go for it. Leaving with no deal would pirss offmore than half the country, as a lot of leave voters do not want no deal..or it seems a lot from those I speak to anyway, not sure if its universal or not that they realise they were sold a pack of lies, and know no deal will screw the country..expected some kind of deal as thats what was promised basically.

But if we still get the same deal as May got we are fooked , I suppose in that scenario, we would have to have another vote , but whichever way it goes people will be pissed.

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, I agree that Corbyn would be better off openly advocating for someone else to take the reigns in a "caretaker government", he's just not liked enough. The general response to him leading one seems to be a resounding "lol no"

[Vicky.]

But if we still get the same deal as May got we are fooked , I suppose in that scenario, we would have to have another vote , but whichever way it goes people will be pissed.

There wouldnt be a deal involved at all, if the options were to revoke article 50, or no deal.

[bots]

A caretaker government is pointless, another referendum is pointless, it will just continue the argument longer. There won't be a deal that satisfies parliament so we either do no deal or revoke article 50

[The Slim Reaper]

A caretaker government is pointless, another referendum is pointless, it will just continue the argument longer. There won't be a deal that satisfies parliament so we either do no deal or revoke article 50

You believe that a no deal or revoke won't continue the argument? Whatever we do will continue the argument, which is why the whole brexit sham was a terrible idea from the off.

[bots]

You believe that a no deal or revoke won't continue the argument? Whatever we do will continue the argument, which is why the whole brexit sham was a terrible idea from the off.

No deal will certainly settle the argument :laugh:

Revoking will stop the chaos of a no deal but will change the political landscape .... but i think the current landscape is on borrowed time anyway

[Twosugars]

Its a deal Slim,I am open minded so you might get a few Pms lol,as I like to learn and obviously want the best for my kids ,its dragged on over 3 years now, and it's dividing the country.:wavey:

You realize I hope that whatever happens our relationship with europe will " drag on " ?
Even if there's no deal we will be back trying to negotiate a trade agreement with the EU.
The current deal or no deal is only over our leaving conditions.
So whichever way you cut it, Britain or the EU are not sailing off into the sunset, they remain neighbours and will have to have a regulated relationship one way or another

[Kizzy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html%3famp

And here's another insult, more lies.. don't worry your safe turns into no you're not safe... what of the EU citizens here? What now of UK citizens in the EU?

Get these idiots out and let Corbyn ask for an extention!

[The Slim Reaper]

No deal will certainly settle the argument :laugh:

Revoking will stop the chaos of a no deal but will change the political landscape .... but i think the current landscape is on borrowed time anyway

No deal will be the start of a whole new argument, as would revoking. If we see the effects of a new deal in full force, then we should all be in the streets going mental, and revoking will be the excuse the st george cross waving gallahads will use to target more and more people.

[Twosugars]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-eu-brexit-freedom-of-movement-ends-november-boris-johnson-priti-patel-home-office-a9064376.html%3famp

And here's another insult, more lies.. don't worry your safe turns into no you're not safe... what of the EU citizens here? What now of UK citizens in the EU?

Get these idiots out and let Corbyn ask for an extention!

That woman is poison, mark my words.