Spider-Man out of the MCU after Disney and Sony fail to reach deal

[Tony Montana]

Sony Pictures and Walt Disney Studios have failed to come to terms over the future of Spider-Man movies, Deadline reports, leaving Marvel Studios and producer Kevin Feige out of Sony’s upcoming Spider-Man slate.

This means that we won’t be seeing any more Avengers or other Marvel Cinematic Universe characters in a Spider-Man movie — and that it’s likely Peter Parker won’t be seen in any future MCU installments for the foreseeable future.

The dispute came down to money, according to Deadline.

“Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat [...] Sony proposed keeping the arrangement going under the current terms where Marvel receives in the range of 5% of first dollar gross, sources said. Disney refused.”

Asked for comment, a Sony representative declined to confirm Deadline’s report to Polygon.

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/20/20825600/spider-man-mcu-sony-disney

What a ****ing joke!

[James]

Twitter/YouTube/social-media has exploded in nerd-rage over this news.

For me the Marvel Disney films have started to get a bit convoluted with Endgame and Far From Home, and all the time-travel, multiple realities and shape-shifting aliens that could be anyone.

[Scarlett.]

Apparently negotiations actually arent over yet and there's still a chance for it to be saved

[Mitchell]

I do wonder if the outrage will help negotiations

[Barry.]

I am so angry with that.

[MB.]

Sony to slash the budget for the third film, Spider-Man: Stuck at Home?

[Marsh.]

Good.

Tired of these interlinked movies. Enough!

[Ant.]

Good.

Tired of these interlinked movies. Enough!

To take this seriously (idk if it is anyway oops) I honestly found the vast amount of films in the MCU to be... daunting, but it truly does have a big pay-off

it's really special to me, but Spiderman is just a thread in the web (:hehe:)

[Ant.]

Far From Home spoilers:

it honestly feels like the next Spiderman film along would've had to bring in some MCU characters imo... like Nick Fury pretty much begging for Spiderman... what's happening to that

[user104658]

It would do damage to both franchises in the hundreds-of-millions. They'll figure it out.

[Oliver_W]

This means that we won’t be seeing any more Avengers or other Marvel Cinematic Universe characters in a Spider-Man movie

That wouldn't be terrible tbh

[user104658]

This means that we won’t be seeing any more Avengers or other Marvel Cinematic Universe characters in a Spider-Man movie

That wouldn't be terrible tbhI think they could have dialled down the Iron Man stuff in both movies but I think the links being there help the overall property. All the movies basically function as ads for each other... Their box office will drop a bit if they're out of the MCU.

Likewise having Spider-man available for future Avengers movies is practically essential :think:. His absence would have a significant impact on the "team up" MCU

[Cherie]

Good.

Tired of these interlinked movies. Enough!

Yes Marsh

[user104658]

Good.

Tired of these interlinked movies. Enough!


Yes Marsh

No one's forcing you to watch them CHARSH :idc:

[Oliver_W]

I think they could have dialled down the Iron Man stuff in both movies but I think the links being there help the overall property. All the movies basically function as ads for each other... Their box office will drop a bit if they're out of the MCU.

Likewise having Spider-man available for future Avengers movies is practically essential :think:. His absence would have a significant impact on the "team up" MCU

To be fair, Spidey is definetly the best remaining solo hero, and he should be the one the MCU is making the "face of the franchise", even if he isn't the in-story leader.

[Ant.]

Endgame spoilers below

Remember how they tried to make Spiderman the new 'face' of Marvel from Phase 4 onwards effectively replacing Iron Man?

Whose gonna be the new face? Thor and the GotG? I... Wouldn't be opposed to that lmao

[LukeB]

I hope Tom Holland will still be spider-man

[Oliver_W]

Whose gonna be the new face?

https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/9327b425b91dc2933840c44ff1dcfcc1.jpg

:sleep:

[Marsh.]

No one's forcing you to watch them CHARSH :idc:

I enjoy Avengers. By all means have the big team up movies but keep the individual stories individual!! :fist:

[Calderyon]

Not watched them, so cannot care yet.

[Ramsay]

It would do damage to both franchises in the hundreds-of-millions. They'll figure it out.

Exactly

[arista]

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Yes Disney/21st Century Fox Films
may want Sony to pay more.

[arista]

I hope Tom Holland will still be spider-man



He is still under contract to Sony.

[Mystic Mock]

Twitter/YouTube/social-media has exploded in nerd-rage over this news.

For me the Marvel Disney films have started to get a bit convoluted with Endgame and Far From Home, and all the time-travel, multiple realities and shape-shifting aliens that could be anyone.

I suppose it's different tastes, because to me that's when Marvel is at it's best is when it delves into it's true nature rather than watering themselves down like some of their earlier Movies.

But yeah it's getting silly with Spider-Man at this point, I've yet to watch Far From Home or The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but both series are basically gonna be incomplete just because Disney and Sony can't sort their **** out it's ridiculous.

For me personally I won't watch a future Spider-Man Film series until it's actually complete because it's a joke to invest into something that won't conclude itself.

[user104658]

I suppose it's different tastes, because to me that's when Marvel is at it's best is when it delves into it's true nature rather than watering themselves down like some of their earlier Movies.



But yeah it's getting silly with Spider-Man at this point, I've yet to watch Far From Home or The Amazing Spider-Man 2, but both series are basically gonna be incomplete just because Disney and Sony can't sort their **** out it's ridiculous.



For me personally I won't watch a future Spider-Man Film series until it's actually complete because it's a joke to invest into something that won't conclude itself.There's no reason that Sony can't make a 3rd Spider-man movie with Holland and Co either way... They just can't reference Tony Stark any more or other Disney owned Marvel characters. Sony has the rights to use Spider-man, MJ, etc. and (it seems from last year's PS4 game) pretty much every major Spider-man villain.

[James]

Another problem with linking everything together is that they have to explain in every film why the other superheroes don't turn up it to help battle the villain threatening the world.

The other studios' film have practically been destroyed this year at the box office by Disney, so I can see why Sony don't want to help out with that.

[Wizard.]

This is annoying ngl

And poor Uncle Ben gotta die for a fourth time give the guy a break!

[user104658]

Another problem with linking everything together is that they have to explain in every film why the other superheroes don't turn up it to help battle the villain threatening the world.


To be fair, Far From Home is the first and only time I can think of that it really didn't make sense that there would be NO ONE available to help out Nick Fury / Spider-man. Yes the big names are all out of commission but where are all the lower tier avengers? :think:

In other solo films it's usually not a drawn out / global threat like the team up films. Winter Soldier takes place over a matter of hours for example, Thor 2 the only earth based drama is in England, Thor 3 and both Guardians movies aren't on earth, Iron Man 2 and 3 are sort of "personal stuff", Black Panther is all Wakanda-centred... Etc... I can't actually think of any where it would have made sense for another character to be nearby able to help out. They even managed to retroactively add into Endgame that The Ancient One was quietly helping out during the invasion of New York :joker:

[LukeB]

There's no reason that Sony can't make a 3rd Spider-man movie with Holland and Co either way... They just can't reference Tony Stark any more or other Disney owned Marvel characters. Sony has the rights to use Spider-man, MJ, etc. and (it seems from last year's PS4 game) pretty much every major Spider-man villain.

What about Happy Hogan?

[Barry.]

What about Happy Hogan?

dumped his Aunt?

[Ant.]

if they're gonna get rid of Spiderman, bring back Nat :idc:

[Ant.]

in all seriousness, the GotG films stood their own ground without needing tie-ins with the greater MCU (excluding Thanos' presence, who only truly appeared in Avengers Assemble's post-credits scene and was eluded to in previous films), so I'm sure Tom Holland could stand his own with no supporting MCU characters in a third film (a lot of the first, standalone films dedicated to the Avengers don't really have other heroes, but Spiderman was one of the very few exceptions/the only exception?)

That said, after FFH, it's hard to imagine him not in MCU, and vice versa

[user104658]

dumped his Aunt?

I mean she essentially dumped him at the end of Far From Home anyway (it was a credits scene maybe?) - he said they were together when asked and at the same time she was like "lol no" then looked at him all confused and said it was just a "summer fling" or summat. Savage Aunt May.

[bots]

I found the super hero type movies completely tedious years ago. i haven't watched any of the latest crop, I just don't see the point

[user104658]

Good.

Tired of these interlinked movies. Enough!


Yes Marsh



I found the super hero type movies completely tedious years ago. i haven't watched any of the latest crop, I just don't see the point

No one's forcing you to watch them CHARSHONTHESLIDE :idc:

[Oliver_W]

I wonder if the MCU could keep Tom Holland, but never name him onscreen, and give him a fake character name in the credits, haha. And also give him a new costume which isn't based on an existing Spidey costume, but never say Spider-Man onscreen....

[Glenn.]

Sony kind of have Disney by the balls to be honest. I’m sure there will be a deal made. Disney are literally building Spider-Man rides in their parks.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sony Pictures Entertainment and The Walt Disney Studios jointly announced today that Marvel Studios and its President Kevin Feige will produce the third film in the SPIDER-MAN HOMECOMING series, starring Tom Holland. The film is scheduled for release on July 16, 2021. As part of the arrangement, Spider-Man will also appear in a future Marvel Studios film. Amy Pascal will also produce through Pascal Pictures, as she has on the first two Holland-led films.

“I am thrilled that Spidey’s journey in the MCU will continue, and I and all of us at Marvel Studios are very excited that we get to keep working on it,” said Feige. “Spider-Man is a powerful icon and hero whose story crosses all ages and audiences around the globe. He also happens to be the only hero with the superpower to cross cinematic universes, so as Sony continues to develop their own Spidey-verse you never know what surprises the future might hold.”

“This is terrific. Peter Parker’s story took a dramatic turn in Far From Home and I could not be happier we will all be working together as we see where his journey goes,” said Pascal. “This has been a winning partnership for the studios, the franchise and the fans and I’m overjoyed it will continue.”
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[Ramsay]

Great news, best of both worlds

[user104658]

What an entirely unexpected turn of events :joker:

[Tony Montana]

Looks like he'll be killed off then.

[Alf]

Never seen any Spiderman movie.

The only one I would watch is the one called Spider-verse, I believe it's an amination movie.

[Barry.]

Looks like he'll be killed off then.

They wouldn't do that, would they?

[Owoaje1993]

I knew he was coming back into the mcu it was all just a publicity stunt to get people talking

[user104658]

Looks like he'll be killed off then.

There's no chance of Sony signing off on a Spidey death, not even to introduce a Miles Morales version. Sony will reboot Peter Parker Spider-man forever and they'll never kill off a previous incarnation, because that's too "final".

Honestly I expect Sony and Disney will keep re-signing movie deals until Tom Holland leaves the role (or the MCU loses popularity ... ... ?). They were never going to NOT reach a deal this time round, it was all just bluster from both sides while negotiating contracts, there are hundreds of millions of not over a billion $$$ tied up in the Spidey-MCU connection... he's clearly going to be a big part of establishing the new phase for MCU, and having him as part of the MCU is a huge draw for Sony's standalone Spider-man stuff.

[Tom4784]

I'll get around to watching Far From Home now then, I was holding off on it since I heard there's a few cliff hangers and such that were reliant on Spidey being in the MCU.