USA : Dallas Post office :old white man demands a form uses the N word

[arista]

And he has a Gun on his belt.


1165278842589732866



Some Old buggers
well never change.

[Liam-]

Trump’s America

Not saying he invented racism, just that racists now feel emboldened by his presence in the White House, before anyone tells me ‘but he didn’t start it!’

[Twosugars]

Trump made racism great again

[Kizzy]

Ignorant old fool

[Mystic Mock]

Why does he have to have a gun in a Post Office?:conf:

Say all of the ignorant racist ****, but why try to intimidate the person?

[Alf]

Trump made racism great againMost Americans are not and do not act like this man.

Most Americans do not agree with this man.

But that still ain't no reason to vote Democrat.

They'll never beat Trump with this strategy.

[GoldHeart]

Trump made racism great again

Yep that crazy maniac in the white house has made it acceptable to use foul language and be racist

[Swan]

Yep that crazy maniac in the white house has made it acceptable to use foul language and be racist

If one person acts like a piece of ****e in America it's automatically Trumps fault lul :laugh:

[Ammi]

...it’s scary how angry he is, the hateful content of his language..and that he is carrying a weapon...

[Niamh.]

Trump made racism great againYup

[bots]

it does seem unreasonable behaviour, but as always there is no context of any form

[Liam-]

it does seem unreasonable behaviour, but as always there is no context of any form

The context is that he racially abused a government employee

[Jordan.]

it does seem unreasonable behaviour, but as always there is no context of any form

In what context are racial slurs not unreasonable?

[The Slim Reaper]

it does seem unreasonable behaviour, but as always there is no context of any form

I agree, context is the most important issue when folks are out here being racist.

[The Slim Reaper]

In what context are racial slurs not unreasonable?

When it's white people, silly.

[bots]

The context is that he racially abused a government employee

no it's not. I mean the guy could easily have been provoked into that. We don't know. I wish people would take their blinkers off and stop latching on in outrage to forced narrative.

If the guy is guilty, let the police deal with it.

[The Slim Reaper]

no it's not. I mean the guy could easily have been provoked into that. We don't know. I wish people would take their blinkers off and stop latching on in outrage to forced narrative.

If the guy is guilty, let the police deal with it.

Whenever I'm being provoked, racial epithets are my go-to move.

[Twosugars]

no it's not. I mean the guy could easily have been provoked into that. We don't know. I wish people would take their blinkers off and stop latching on in outrage to forced narrative.

If the guy is guilty, let the police deal with it.

Theres no acceptable scenario for using racist language. As simple as that

[Liam-]

no it's not. I mean the guy could easily have been provoked into that. We don't know. I wish people would take their blinkers off and stop latching on in outrage to forced narrative.

If the guy is guilty, let the police deal with it.

Ah, the age old ‘he made me say racist things’ excuse

[Twosugars]

Whenever I'm being provoked, racial epithets are my go-to move.

I can confirm. He called me European scum the other day. Tbf I did provoke him by asking how he was :bawling:









:hee:

[The Slim Reaper]

I can confirm. He called me European scum the other day. Tbf I did provoke him by asking how he was :bawling:









:hee:

**** off out of my country you swarthy gypo.

[Twosugars]

**** off out of my country you swarthy gypo.

:dog:

[JerseyWins]

Wow, that's an awful attack :skull: Racist old man that was alive while segregation was still around (depending on his age) or definitely while that kind of mindset and thoughts were still very prevalent in America. Some people never change :bored:

[Kizzy]

no it's not. I mean the guy could easily have been provoked into that. We don't know. I wish people would take their blinkers off and stop latching on in outrage to forced narrative.

If the guy is guilty, let the police deal with it.

Come on.... this is getting ridiculous now, provoked?

:joker:

[Alf]

When it's white people, silly.That''s a bit racist. And I' m not interested in context.

[Alf]

Theres no acceptable scenario for using racist language. As simple as thatWho are you, God?

[Marsh.]

it does seem unreasonable behaviour, but as always there is no context of any form

:umm2:

Whether he had the "right" to be annoyed at the employee or not, there is no excuse for the racist language.

[Alf]

Theres no acceptable scenario for using racist language. As simple as thatMoan, Moan, Moan

[Twosugars]

Moan, Moan, Moan

:hee:

[The Slim Reaper]

That''s a bit racist. And I' m not interested in context.

You ok, my honkey?

[Alf]

You ok, my honkey?I'm Black.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm Black.

kga2soqvMF0

[arista]

I'm Black.


Get Down and Funky
Watch Out For Them Junkies

[Cherie]

wow, that's awful

[montblanc]

Most Americans are not and do not act like this man.

Most Americans do not agree with this man.

i really wish this were true

[bots]

wow, that's awful

it's awful on the face of it, but videos like this with zero context, i find very worrying. Pick a favourite controversial topic that people can get angered about, wrap it up in a bite sized video snippet and dish while hot

[Liam-]

It wouldn’t be TiBB without someone trying to excuse blatant racism

[GiRTh]

it's awful on the face of it, but videos like this with zero context, i find very worrying. Pick a favourite controversial topic that people can get angered about, wrap it up in a bite sized video snippet and dish while hotTell us, under what circumstances do you think it is OK for a Post Office worker to be racially abused by an armed customer?

We all seem to have forgot the man had a gun. Given the current climate in America I highly doubt they riled this armed man but if that justified it for you then please tell us why? :thumbs:

[Twosugars]

It wouldn’t be TiBB without someone trying to excuse blatant racism

I know. So edgy. Not.
Is homophobia, antisemitism acceptable too in the "right context"?
No wonder this world is so **** with attitudes like that around

[Twosugars]

it's awful on the face of it, but videos like this with zero context, i find very worrying. Pick a favourite controversial topic that people can get angered about, wrap it up in a bite sized video snippet and dish while hot

Enlighten us when it is acceptable to use racial slurs.

[Marsh.]

it's awful on the face of it, but videos like this with zero context, i find very worrying. Pick a favourite controversial topic that people can get angered about, wrap it up in a bite sized video snippet and dish while hot

Why are you so eager to defend racist language?

What possible context would racist language have been acceptable?

[Cherie]

Theres no acceptable scenario for using racist language. As simple as that


its never acceptable to use ageist slurs...but this thread.


it's awful on the face of it, but videos like this with zero context, i find very worrying. Pick a favourite controversial topic that people can get angered about, wrap it up in a bite sized video snippet and dish while hot

Whilst I would never condone the language used, its clear from the video he is frustrated by not getting the his form, I think we can all relate to 'computer says no' frustration, yes he was out of order, yes he was packing a gun, but he didn't wave it around which is pretty incredible given how frustrated he was, did someone behind the counter snigger, yes they did, we can all stand here and say omg thats awful but in a similar situation would we have uttered under our breath, fat bitch, old cow, or similar, it's on this thread..old fool...old bugger .... all seemingly very acceptable insults... who knows maybe he came back an hour later after he calmed down and apologised, or may he went back home and put a pillow case over his head, we don't know.... its a snapshot in time, ..... maybe he is an out and out racist or maybe he pulled out the worst insult he could think of at the time and went home and regretted it, I'm no Trump fan and its very clear in his posts neither is Bots, nobody trotted out after Clinton had it off with Monica that the whole of the USA was enabled to have affairs, so I find the narrative the everyone has suddenly turned racist due to Trump a bit hard to swallow in all honesty

[Liam-]

Let not try and compare racial slurs to calling someone an old cow like it’s anywhere near being an equivalent.

I find the narrative that anyone is pushed or provoked into using disgusting racial slurs hard to swallow in all honesty

[Ammi]

...regardless of how frustrating he may have found it that he wasn’t given the form he had demanded...he was angry, he was carrying a weapon and he was using hateful/racist language...he wasn’t muttering it, he was screaming it very directly and getting more and more angry, as his abuse was becoming more racial...and he repeated the n word as he was walking out of the door...it’s good that this is being investigated by the police because no one ever...doing their job or doing anything in their daily lives, should be spoken to like that...in such a hate filled way...

[GiRTh]

its never acceptable to use ageist slurs...but this thread.




Whilst I would never condone the language used, its clear from the video he is frustrated by not getting the his form, I think we can all relate to 'computer says no' frustration, yes he was out of order, yes he was packing a gun, but he didn't wave it around which is pretty incredible given how frustrated he was, did someone behind the counter snigger, yes they did, we can all stand here and say omg thats awful but in a similar situation would we have uttered under our breath, fat bitch, old cow, or similar, it's on this thread..old fool...old bugger .... all seemingly very acceptable insults... who knows maybe he came back an hour later after he calmed down and apologised, or may he went back home and put a pillow case over his head, we don't know.... its a snapshot in time, ..... maybe he is an out and out racist or maybe he pulled out the worst insult he could think of at the time and went home and regretted it, I'm no Trump fan and its very clear in his posts neither is Bots, nobody trotted out after Clinton had it off with Monica that the whole of the USA was enabled to have affairs, so I find the narrative the everyone has suddenly turned racist due to Trump a bit hard to swallow in all honestyI was kind of agreeing till the bit in bold but you do seem to be trying every scenario to justify this persons behavior. Your comparison to Clinton is a strange one. Affairs are usually carried out in secret so your scenario doesnt really make sense of people being enpowered to do things in secret :conf:

Fact is, White supremacists like Trump and have said so on many occasions so its not too much o stretch given his rhetoric to see this on the rise. People, wisely or stupidly, sometimes trust and follow their leaders. It doesnt really matter that Donnies racist, what matters is that racists like him, alot.

White Supremacists, Extremists Celebrate President Trump’s Latest Racist Tweets (https://www.adl.org/blog/white-supremacists-extremists-celebrate-president-trumps-latest-racist-tweets)

Trump said 'many people agree' with his racist tweets. These white supremacists certainly do. (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-cheer-trump-racist-tweets-soh/index.html)

[Beso]

The context is that he racially abused a government employee

A black person working for trumps racist government....this man abuses trumps employee.....

Trump's fault.:joker:

[Twosugars]

A black person working for trumps racist government....this man abuses trumps employee.....

Trump's fault.:joker:

Oh stop reaching. Do a decent thing instead and say that racist language is unacceptable

[Beso]

Oh stop reaching. Do a decent thing instead and say that racist language is unacceptable

I think we all know that already....:pat:

[Twosugars]

I think we all know that already....:pat:

Say it anyway

[Beso]

Say it anyway

The day I become your performing monkey is the day I tie a noose round my neck

[Twosugars]

The day I become your performing monkey is the day I tie a noose round my neck

:shrug:

[Scarlett.]

Why am I not surprised to find people defending racism on this forum.

[Dogeatdog]

Wow what an arsewipe. No one should be racially abused like that under any circumstances no matter how angry you are. I’m glad that this didn’t get seriously out of hand especially as he had a weapon on him :(

[Matthew.]

it does seem unreasonable behaviour, but as always there is no context of any form

Please don’t sugar coat this racist’s actions. It is not unreasonable behaviour. It is RACIST behaviour.

[Cherie]

I was kind of agreeing till the bit in bold but you do seem to be trying every scenario to justify this persons behavior. Your comparison to Clinton is a strange one. Affairs are usually carried out in secret so your scenario doesnt really make sense of people being enpowered to do things in secret :conf:

Fact is, White supremacists like Trump and have said so on many occasions so its not too much o stretch given his rhetoric to see this on the rise. People, wisely or stupidly, sometimes trust and follow their leaders. It doesnt really matter that Donnies racist, what matters is that racists like him, alot.

White Supremacists, Extremists Celebrate President Trump’s Latest Racist Tweets (https://www.adl.org/blog/white-supremacists-extremists-celebrate-president-trumps-latest-racist-tweets)

Trump said 'many people agree' with his racist tweets. These white supremacists certainly do. (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/white-supremacists-cheer-trump-racist-tweets-soh/index.html)

Yeah fair dues that’s probably a bad comparison :laugh: yeah I get people agree with tweets, in this situation I’m more inclined to think the guy was tipped into saying what he knew what would hit home rather than anything else, but I could be wrong, like I say it’s a snapshot that could go either way

[Kizzy]

its never acceptable to use ageist slurs...but this thread.




Whilst I would never condone the language used, its clear from the video he is frustrated by not getting the his form, I think we can all relate to 'computer says no' frustration, yes he was out of order, yes he was packing a gun, but he didn't wave it around which is pretty incredible given how frustrated he was, did someone behind the counter snigger, yes they did, we can all stand here and say omg thats awful but in a similar situation would we have uttered under our breath, fat bitch, old cow, or similar, it's on this thread..old fool...old bugger .... all seemingly very acceptable insults... who knows maybe he came back an hour later after he calmed down and apologised, or may he went back home and put a pillow case over his head, we don't know.... its a snapshot in time, ..... maybe he is an out and out racist or maybe he pulled out the worst insult he could think of at the time and went home and regretted it, I'm no Trump fan and its very clear in his posts neither is Bots, nobody trotted out after Clinton had it off with Monica that the whole of the USA was enabled to have affairs, so I find the narrative the everyone has suddenly turned racist due to Trump a bit hard to swallow in all honesty

You're just loving the role of devil's advocate this week cherie, is there any room in your miriad of what ifs to consider a modicum of self control?... accountability?
Yes he's old I don't believe that should excuse an outburst like this, had the thread contained images if a man in his 20s behaving like this the reaction would've been very different. ...That's ageist.
There is a slew of news reports recently of people using racially aggressive language, there has been a connection made that its due to the language and the attitude of trump. You might not agree but it's been well documented recently.

[Cherie]

You're just loving the role of devil's advocate this week cherie, is there any room in your miriad of what ifs to consider a modicum of self control?... accountability?
Yes he's old I don't believe that should excuse an outburst like this, had the thread contained images if a man in his 20s behaving like this the reaction would've been very different. ...That's ageist.
There is a slew of news reports recently of people using racially aggressive language, there has been a connection made that its due to the language and the attitude of trump. You might not agree but it's been well documented recently.


I never said he was old,..that was all you kizzy..and I never once mentioned his age as a factor...again that’s all you...I have said all I want to say about this ...but please do post away ....someone will respond I’m sure

[GiRTh]

Yeah fair dues that’s probably a bad comparison :laugh: yeah I get people agree with tweets, in this situation I’m more inclined to think the guy was tipped into saying what he knew what would hit home rather than anything else, but I could be wrong, like I say it’s a snapshot that could go either way
Its not just agreeing with the tweets but more some of the comments. Even one of the replies, from a known supremacist, called Trumps tweets 'racist'' while another proclaimed this was the kind of Nationalism that they voted him in for. They really love their President.

[Kizzy]

I never said he was old,..that was all you kizzy..and I never once mentioned his age as a factor...again that’s all you...I have said all I want to say about this ...but please do post away ....someone will respond I’m sure

The fact he is old is in the thead title, if you're referring to my initial post they're all descriptors , he is ignorant, he is old and he is being a fool. I didn't suggest he was any of those things because he was old....That's ageist.

[Marsh.]

Whilst I would never condone the language used, its clear from the video he is frustrated by not getting the his form, I think we can all relate to 'computer says no' frustration

Frustration in places like that is relatable to most people.

Opting for racial slurs as a response is not normal.

[Marsh.]

The day I become your performing monkey is the day I tie a noose round my neck

Twosugars to use the rope as puppet strings?

[Marsh.]

in this situation I’m more inclined to think the guy was tipped into saying what he knew what would hit home

Which still makes him a racist ****.

[Mystic Mock]

:umm2:

Whether he had the "right" to be annoyed at the employee or not, there is no excuse for the racist language.

This really.

Also I know that I've said this earlier but why carry a gun to a Post Office?

[Ammi]

...it was the mother of the guy who took the vid on his phone, who decided to post it ...she’s from Middle Eastern descent and herself and her son have both experienced racism before...


euSlMYUjRjE

[Beso]

You're just loving the role of devil's advocate this week cherie, is there any room in your miriad of what ifs to consider a modicum of self control?... accountability?
Yes he's old I don't believe that should excuse an outburst like this, had the thread contained images if a man in his 20s behaving like this the reaction would've been very different. ...That's ageist.
There is a slew of news reports recently of people using racially aggressive language, there has been a connection made that its due to the language and the attitude of trump. You might not agree but it's been well documented recently.

That's ridiculous...

Are we supposed to believe these racist outburst wern't happening before trump entered office? I'm sure it happened just as often as it is now, it's merely fashionable to blame or link trump to these outbursts...absolutely ridiculous assumptions there Kizzy by these people saying there is a link.


Load of tripe to even suggest there's a link.

[Alf]

I think he said "The Sherriff is near"

[Kizzy]

That's ridiculous...

Are we supposed to believe these racist outburst wern't happening before trump entered office? I'm sure it happened just as often as it is now, it's merely fashionable to blame or link trump to these outbursts...absolutely ridiculous assumptions there Kizzy by these people saying there is a link.


Load of tripe to even suggest there's a link.

Yes they happened before, I haven't said they didn't. .. as much as you offer up your faux bluster it's not an assumption, or a load of tripe to suggest trump has emboldened racists in America as brexit has in the UK.

[arista]

...it was the mother of the guy who took the vid on his phone, who decided to post it ...she’s from Middle Eastern descent and herself and her son have both experienced racism before...


euSlMYUjRjE


Thank You Ammi
for Expanding the tweet
with a proper News Report

[Kizzy]

How odd that not once in that report did they mention the gun, with the latest racially motivated massacre fresh in people's memory?

[Lostie!]

I think we all know that already....:pat:

Clearly not the case when people insist on bending over backwards trying to justify it every single time

[smudgie]

How odd that not once in that report did they mention the gun, with the latest racially motivated massacre fresh in people's memory?

Could be down to gun wearing being common there.:shrug:

[arista]

How odd that not once in that report did they mention the gun, with the latest racially motivated massacre fresh in people's memory?



I get that
as it is very normal in that state
to have a Gun on your belt

[Kizzy]

Could be down to gun wearing being common there.:shrug:

Maybe, I just find it really strange here's someone acting erratically, swearing aggressively at strangers and staff and there's no mention of a deadly weapon by his side :/

[Cherie]

The fact he is old is in the thead title, if you're referring to my initial post they're all descriptors , he is ignorant, he is old and he is being a fool. I didn't suggest he was any of those things because he was old....That's ageist.

fat is also a descriptor you could have used, but like old, it has nothing to do with what comes out of his mouth

[Kizzy]

fat is also a descriptor you could have used, but like old, it has nothing to do with what comes out of his mouth

Are you calling him fat?.. sheesh cherie that's just mean :idc:

[The Slim Reaper]

Q8so6RUrUOw

[Jordan.]

Q8so6RUrUOw

So are we allowed to criticise this blatant racism or do we have to wonder if she went home and felt bad about it first or what she had for lunch that day that might have caused her to react like this?

[Alf]

So are we allowed to criticise this blatant racism or do we have to wonder if she went home and felt bad about it first or what she had for lunch that day that might have caused her to react like this?For me, actions speak louder than words, but each to their own.

[Twosugars]

For me, actions speak louder than words, but each to their own.

True, racists actions are worse than words. Still words are not good though are they

[Kizzy]

So are we allowed to criticise this blatant racism or do we have to wonder if she went home and felt bad about it first or what she had for lunch that day that might have caused her to react like this?

I don't know... :worry:

[Twosugars]

I don't know... :worry:

Surprised mental illness hasn't been wheeled out yet
Muslim extremists evil, rightwing extremists mentally unwell :umm2:

[Cherie]

Are you calling him fat?.. sheesh cherie that's just mean :idc:

its an 'ist' that cant be used naturally ....kizzy

[Cherie]

maybe we could have some clips of people not being racist because they also exist in the good old US of A,unless we are saying Trump has changed everyone into a racist :worry:

[Twosugars]

maybe we could have some clips of people not being racist because they also exist in the good old US of A,unless we are saying Trump has changed everyone into a racist :worry:

I know right.
Also when someone dies why cant we talk about all those people who are still alive
Or if theres a war let's talk about countries where theres no war ok :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

maybe we could have some clips of people not being racist because they also exist in the good old US of A,unless we are saying Trump has changed everyone into a racist :worry:

I think it's fair to say he has emboldened and supported racists like no other modern day president. When the Klan, and Neo-nazi groups think you're with them, then it's difficult to really suggest otherwise.

Just like brexit emboldened the racists over here. They are not the cause for modern racism, but both make it more acceptable to state horrific feelings and beliefs in public.

Also that clip does show people not being racist - everyone who isn't yosemite sam.

[Alf]

maybe we could have some clips of people not being racist because they also exist in the good old US of A,unless we are saying Trump has changed everyone into a racist :worry:Everyone is a film director these days, you just need a phone. You can even write a script and hire actors if you wanted to.

[Ammi]

...it’s easy I guess to ignore, turn away from...feel oh yeah but not everyone is like that, etc...if it’s not something that we’re experiencing ourselves...if it’s something that’s just on a vid/images on the screen ...but not everyone has that privilege because it's very real prejudice that their experiencing and very real hate being screamed at them...for the young man who took the vid on his phone..?...he filmed it because he sensed something was escalating...and that’s probably because of his previous life experiences and associations of having experienced racial slurs himself...as his mother has explained ...and the reason why it was so important to her that the vid was made public and that this man’s hate was exposed...

[Beso]

...it’s easy I guess to ignore, turn away from...feel oh yeah but not everyone is like that, etc...if it’s not something that we’re experiencing ourselves...if it’s something that’s just on a vid/images on the screen ...but not everyone has that privilege because it's very real prejudice that their experiencing and very real hate being screamed at them...for the young man who took the vid on his phone..?...he filmed it because he sensed something was escalating...and that’s probably because of his previous life experiences and associations of having experienced racial slurs himself...as his mother has explained ...and the reason why it was so important to her that the vid was made public and that this man’s hate was exposed...





It's fine that the man's hate is exposed...but when that man's hate is also heeped onto trump then it becomes not ok, and just another pathetic bash trump newsreel...

[Ammi]

...Trump is not the reason for that mindset in anyone, I agree...however when he purposefully feeds into such hate and prejudice himself and smirks at crowd chants of ‘send her home’...then the world will look at him with these incidents and look at any possible correlation of his time in office...that’s the price he pays for the game he plays with peoples very real lives and the prejudices they experience...

[Twosugars]

Trump, the president of all the racists and white supremacists

[Twosugars]

Is it true that his rich daddy was in kkk?

[Kizzy]

its an 'ist' that cant be used naturally ....kizzy

You're tying yourself up here cherie, he isn't fat because he's old either.... I'm not sure what this has to do with the conversation. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

Q8so6RUrUOw

What a rude entitled bitch

[The Slim Reaper]

I do find it amusing that we've gone from "trumps not a racist" to "not every racist in the US can be blamed on trump"

[Marsh.]

fat is also a descriptor you could have used, but like old, it has nothing to do with what comes out of his mouth

Oh I don't know. Age can certainly be a factor that affects the way people speak.

[Cherie]

I do find it amusing that we've gone from "trumps not a racist" to "not every racist in the US can be blamed on trump"

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are made

[arista]

Q8so6RUrUOw




Yes Horrible Old Bitch

It was posted on Twitter
to get her name
the Left Activists want to Hunt her Down,

Sign Of The Times

[Marsh.]

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are made

Nobody's suggesting Trump is creating racists.

He's making racists more comfortable being that way.

Being endorsed by so many white supremists speaks for itself.

[Marsh.]

Yes Horrible Old Bitch

It was posted on Twitter
to get her name
the Left Activists want to Hunt her Down,

Sign Of The Times

Less of the old. :nono:

[The Slim Reaper]

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are made

I disagree it's the way they are made. Racism has to be nurture over nature, no one is born a racist.

Maybe they were always racist, maybe they've been swayed by a mixture of austerity (in the UK), desperation, and people lying to them about who is to blame. That said, we can't just pretend that white nationalist/supremacist attacks haven't gone up exponentially since trump/brexit.

We can either suggest it's purely a coincidence, or we can accept the links in rhetoric etc. I mean, we have white shooters explicitly telling us they're doing these things because of what they're being told by trump/right wing media. These guys aren't hiding it, it's not some secret society, it's right out in the open in front of us.

[GiRTh]

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are madeAbsolutely fascinating post. So much going here but first the bit in bold as it relates directly to the thread.

In both of the vids posted, the person doing the filming, for the outrage of the internet, was the one being abused or attacked. How exactly could that person have 'engaged' in each of these scenarios?

Do you think these types of attacks were at the same level as, say, ten years ago but its just that now more are being filmed ? I dont recall White Supremacists praising any other recent President. I dont recall shouts of 'send her back' at rallys by any other recent president or candidate. Such a mindset should not be encouraged however Donnie laps it up. Even though I'd like to share your view that this is just something that has always been around; the US president spouting such rhetoric hasnt always been around and it can only lead to an emboldening of such a mindset.

[arista]

Less of the old. :nono:



Bollocks
its due to her being old
that makes her a Racist


Of Course to be fair
Many other old folks are Not racist.

[Alf]

Absolutely fascinating post. So much going here but first the bit in bold as it relates directly to the thread.

In both of the vids posted, the person doing the filming, for the outrage of the internet, was the one being abused or attacked. How exactly could that person have 'engaged' in each of these scenarios?

Do you think these types of attacks were at the same level as, say, ten years ago but its just that now more are being filmed ? I dont recall White Supremacists praising any other recent President. I dont recall shouts of 'send her back' at rallys by any other recent president or candidate. Such a mindset should not be encouraged however Donnie laps it up. Even though I'd like to share your view that this is just something that has always been around; the US president spouting such rhetoric hasnt always been around and it can only lead to an emboldening of such a mindset.It depends what your definition of White Supremacy is?

If name calling is White supremecy, then you might have something.

[GiRTh]

It depends what your definition of White Supremacy is?

If name calling is White supremecy, then you might have something.I'm referring to the known White Supremacist leaders and organisers who agreed with Trumps tweet about the four democratic congress members.

There has already been an attempt to play this down as - people liking tweets - Trump announces National and Global policies on twitter.

[Kizzy]

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are made

Then that would be ignoring the evidence, the incidents of racially aggrivated abuse in the uk have increased exponentially since brexit. Nobody is suggesting it didn't happen previously, obviously it did but to say that specifically brexit hasn't had an impact in this area is wrong.

[The Slim Reaper]

It depends what your definition of White Supremacy is?

If name calling is White supremecy, then you might have something.

If jigaboo and N***** is a bit of harmless name calling, then you might have something.

It's not, and you don't.

[Alf]

If jigaboo and N***** is a bit of harmless name calling, then you might have something.

It's not, and you don't.But is it supremecy?

[Ammi]

...bigotry, prejudice, racism, anti semitism etc...none of it is inherent, it has to be planted and it has to be nurtured...a huge part of that is the dehumanisation that we’ve seen in recent years...the dehumanisation of Mexicans ...the dehumanisation of immigrants in the Calais crises...close our borders, keep them out...build walls, keep them out...!!!...it’s all a dehumanisation that’s been happening and Trump is very much a part of that...he’s not the sole, single reason for anything ...but he plays a part and one that is very key...which no other USA President before him has done...?...these things have to be discussed...and not just ...oh no, not another vid or whatever and why can’t we have nice vids...because it’s the only way the we can move forward as people ..the only way we can move away from prejudice is to try to understand its causes ...to understand it and to not excuse it ...and to understand how the holy heck in 2019, have we found ourselves here...with racial prejudice growing, it seems...these incidents have to happen for them to be constantly recorded...

[The Slim Reaper]

But is it supremecy?

Considering the origin of those words is slavery, then the power of common sense explains anyone who thinks a whole race of people are inferior and can be used as animals, has supremacy issues, yes.

This guy knew what he was doing and to what race of people he was doing it to.

I know we don't agree on much when it comes to racial issues but if you were frustrated in a post office, I would never think you'd hit them with those words. To say those things in 2019 you have to really want to say them with every fibre of your being.

[Alf]

Considering the origin of those words is slavery, then the power of common sense explains anyone who thinks a whole race of people are inferior and can be used as animals, has supremacy issues, yes.

This guy knew what he was doing and to what race of people he was doing it to.

I know we don't agree on much when it comes to racial issues but if you were frustrated in a post office, I would never think you'd hit them with those words. To say those things in 2019 you have to really want to say them with every fibre of your being.Of course I wouldn't, most people wouldn't. But some do react, even non White people can be abusive to people.

The guy is obviously a dick, most people think he's a dick, and most of us have our own sh!t to deal with, without having to worry about some dick.

Is he a White supremisist? I'm not convinced yet.

[arista]

...bigotry, prejudice, racism, anti semitism etc...none of it is inherent, it has to be planted and it has to be nurtured...a huge part of that is the dehumanisation that we’ve seen in recent years...the dehumanisation of Mexicans ...the dehumanisation of immigrants in the Calais crises...close our borders, keep them out...build walls, keep them out...!!!...it’s all a dehumanisation that’s been happening and Trump is very much a part of that...he’s not the sole, single reason for anything ...but he plays a part and one that is very key...which no other USA President before him has done...?...these things have to be discussed...and not just ...oh no, not another vid or whatever and why can’t we have nice vids...because it’s the only way the we can move forward as people ..the only way we can move away from prejudice is to try to understand its causes ...to understand it and to not excuse it ...and to understand how the holy heck in 2019, have we found ourselves here...with racial prejudice growing, it seems...these incidents have to happen for them to be constantly recorded...



The World is full of Racists
that will never change
whatever year.

[The Slim Reaper]

Of course I wouldn't, most people wouldn't. But some do react, even non White people can be abusive to people.

The guy is obviously a dick, most people think he's a dick, and most of us have our own sh!t to deal with, without having to worry about some dick.

Is he a White supremisist? I'm not convinced yet.

Reacting is human, racism is racist, and non-white people can also be racist.

I agree he's a dick, but he's a racist dick. I really don't get your reluctance to try and find grey areas to reside in, where you can live comfortably with your fingers in your ears, never having to confront what's right in front of your face.

[Ammi]

The World is full of Racists
that will never change
whatever year.

...how vocal and outspoken people are with their racism and prejudice does change, Arista...its very much changed over time ..(...for the better..)...and it’s very much changing again now...(...for the worse..).. is what many are feeling and seeing...

[Alf]

Reacting is human, racism is racist, and non-white people can also be racist.

I agree he's a dick, but he's a racist dick. I really don't get your reluctance to try and find grey areas to reside in, where you can live comfortably with your fingers in your ears, never having to confront what's right in front of your face.But that doesn't necessarily make him a White Supremisist or a racist. He wanted to hurt the person who he feels did him an unjust. And felt this is one that works. But for all we know, this may be the first time he's done something like that.

No point getting our knickers in a twist over it, that accomplishes nothing but White people being labeled supremacists. What goods that?

[Alf]

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

[GiRTh]

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.:thumbs:

The polls have all of the top four dem candidates beating Donnie by plenty. We've seen this before but not this much at this stage. Its an election for the Dems to lose but other than Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard, the policies are basically to go back to how things were. Biden cant stop talking about Obama and his policy is little more than 'If Obama liked me, then you should too', his strategy is a joke. However those four candidates I named are not loved by the mainstream media, with the possible exception of Warren. So the DNC has a decision to make and I have a feeling they're gonna go for Biden or nothing. That being based on the extensive coverage Biden gets on CNN and MSNBC.. I think that may cost them.

[Marsh.]

Bollocks
its due to her being old
that makes her a Racist


Of Course to be fair
Many other old folks are Not racist.

:)

[Marsh.]

...how vocal and outspoken people are with their racism and prejudice does change, Arista...its very much changed over time ..(...for the better..)...and it’s very much changing again now...(...for the worse..).. is what many are feeling and seeing...

:clap1: Spot on.

[Marsh.]

But that doesn't necessarily make him a White Supremisist or a racist. He wanted to hurt the person who he feels did him an unjust. And felt this is one that works. But for all we know, this may be the first time he's done something like that.

No point getting our knickers in a twist over it, that accomplishes nothing but White people being labeled supremacists. What goods that?

Yeah don't get your knickers in a twist. You'd rather tie yourself in knots defending racial abuse.

[Alf]

Yeah don't get your knickers in a twist. You'd rather tie yourself in knots defending racial abuse.I'm offended by you saying to me that I'm defending racial abuse.

You remind me of the guy in the video.

[Marsh.]

I'm offended by you saying to me that I'm defending racial abuse.

You remind me of the guy in the video.

Yes. Watch out. I have a gun.

[Beso]

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

All true.

[Twosugars]

Racist righwingers are angry losers. Nothing positive to offer, just hate and delusion. Trump taps into that. The bile he spouts will choke him one day

[Amy Jade]

What a vile man, using that type of language is never okay.

I knew certain people would feel the need to question why he was upset but I have to ask those defending this racist idiot what the postal worker could have possibly done to warrant being called what he was...please explain to me.

[Marsh.]

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

You say this as though Trump is not racist. :skull:

If they do use it as their strategy, at least it would be based on truth. More than can be said for what's coming out of Trump's administration.

[bots]

does anyone believe that racism had been wiped out. does anyone believe that there are not millions of racists around the world?

Given there are millions of racists, why is it a surprise that someone is able to video an occurrence of it.

Even if this event had happened in the UK, what could we as individuals do about it? We can explode with rage all we like, but we as individuals cannot do anything other than inform the appropriate authority and move on. Racism of that type is illegal in the UK ... so report it and move on. Getting outraged at random people around the world will just damage your own health and wellbeing and those that fall for it are being manipulated. When the law is there to protect from racism, use it .... no need for outrage

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, bots...we may have the luxury to be able to ‘move on’ from seeing bigotry and prejudice like this unfold...but minorities who are prejudiced against, don’t have that luxury...and it’s important that these things are highlighted when they’re seen...of course, prejudice and racism will never be completely wiped out...but it doesn’t have to feel regressive either...

[bots]

...I’m not sure what you’re trying to say, bots...we may have the luxury to be able to ‘move on’ from seeing bigotry and prejudice like this unfold...but minorities who are prejudiced against, don’t have that luxury...and it’s important that these things are highlighted when they’re seen...of course, prejudice and racism will never be completely wiped out...but it doesn’t have to feel regressive either...

The point i am trying to make is that:

1. We, as individuals, have no power to change anything happening in countries across the world other than our own

2. Racism is already illegal in the UK so if it happens here, report it to the authorities. We can't hang the guilty parties, we cant flog them in the street. We have a mechanism to deal with it ... use it

3, There are thousands of good causes that people could get enraged at ... People are being manipulated into getting stressed out and angry over issues that there is either already a mechanism in place to resolve, or is in a place where no action can be taken.

America elected Trump as president, they all knew what he was like .... They chose him. If they want to change things, they need to vote for an alternative.

The same can be said for Brazil, the Philippines, Italy, Hungary, Poland .... it's the peoples choice, and it's in their own hands if they want to change it, not ours

[Ammi]

...that sounds like a very insular existence my friend...of course, we use energies on things we can control and on things if they are directly solvable by us...thats also what we do as humans...we are very multi tasking...but we also discuss the things in the world that we feel are wrongs because no matter what our skin colour, our religion, our lives in where we’re located in the world....there but for the grace of God...we can feel saddened about these things because of how we ourselves would feel if someone were to scream that abuse at us while we were doing our jobs in serving people...

[Kizzy]

The point i am trying to make is that:

1. We, as individuals, have no power to change anything happening in countries across the world other than our own

2. Racism is already illegal in the UK so if it happens here, report it to the authorities. We can't hang the guilty parties, we cant flog them in the street. We have a mechanism to deal with it ... use it

3, There are thousands of good causes that people could get enraged at ... People are being manipulated into getting stressed out and angry over issues that there is either already a mechanism in place to resolve, or is in a place where no action can be taken.

America elected Trump as president, they all knew what he was like .... They chose him. If they want to change things, they need to vote for an alternative.

The same can be said for Brazil, the Philippines, Italy, Hungary, Poland .... it's the peoples choice, and it's in their own hands if they want to change it, not ours

I disagree there are ways individuals can influence, by banding together...look at Hong Kong.
The push for democracy there has rippled across the globe, your' move along nothing to see here ' approach is not one with which I have any respect.
If there is racism, fascism or corruption in your country or elsewhere then if possible expose and oppose it as a citizen of the world I see that as a duty.
Where did turning a blind eye ever get anyone. We may not be able to do much, but be actively supportive of regime change because we care about our fellow human beings.

Cue posts about sjw, hand wringing and virtue signalling.

[Tom4784]

Nothing justifies racist abuse. You can't goad someone into throwing out racist language. There's no defense for this, a normal person when stressed does not resort to racism. This racist just let his racist flag fly, there's nothing more to it than that and there's no amount of mental gymnastics to paint the old man in this story as sympathetic.

[Beso]

White folk are too hung up on racism if you ask me..my african friends that I talk to regularly are more interested in beating up people who fart.