View Full Version : Brexit - what would you do?
James
07-09-2019, 02:17 PM
What would you do about Brexit if you had the power alone to decide.
Vote in the poll when it appears.
Here are the options:
Leave without a deal
Leave with the negotiated withdrawal agreement
Leave after delaying exit date and renegotiating a softer Brexit
Hold a new referendum with Remain in the EU as an option
Revoke Article 50 and Remain in the EU
Other (you can explain below)
Scarlett.
07-09-2019, 02:22 PM
Preferably, I'd just revoke article 50, but that's not very democratic, so I'd hold another referendum, with more in depth awnsers. Basically, I'd have the "Leave/Remain" option, then I'd have "in the event the Leave option is chosen, which type of exit should the UK persue"
James
07-09-2019, 02:23 PM
I would leave with the withdrawal agreement.
It avoids no deal, stops the political turmoil (for now), and avoids a new referendum which I think would lead to a lot of bitterness among leave voters (and may well produce the same result as before).
arista
07-09-2019, 02:41 PM
I would leave with the withdrawal agreement.
It avoids no deal, stops the political turmoil (for now), and avoids a new referendum which I think would lead to a lot of bitterness among leave voters (and may well produce the same result as before).
But that means 3 months more Delay.
The Public do not like more delay
James
07-09-2019, 02:44 PM
But that means 3 months more Delay.
The Public do not like more delay
Not if they vote and agree to it in the middle of October? A group of Labour MPs including Stephen Kinnock suggested bringing the Withdrawal agreement back to parliament.
joeysteele
07-09-2019, 02:50 PM
Between 2.
I'd hold new referendum with remain an option.
Or
I'd vote to revoke article 50.
joeysteele
07-09-2019, 02:54 PM
Not if they vote and agree to it in the middle of October? A group of Labour MPs including Stephen Kinnock suggested bringing the Withdrawal agreement back to parliament.
Rory Stewart wants that too.
If it did, I'd be content if it was supported now.
Which I've said the last 2 times it has been voted on.
I think it's worth another attempt.
This PM dare not though, the ERG would be up in arms.
It's at least a deal of sorts however, which if supported now, would erase the need to ask for a further delay.
arista
07-09-2019, 02:55 PM
Not if they vote and agree to it in the middle of October? A group of Labour MPs including Stephen Kinnock suggested bringing the Withdrawal agreement back to parliament.
No Parliament Support
for that.
joeysteele
07-09-2019, 02:57 PM
No Parliament Support
for that.
I think you'll find there is.
Stephen Kinnock's amendment was accepted without a vote as to the idea.
The Slim Reaper
07-09-2019, 02:59 PM
Brexit champions have had 3 years to get a deal and failed miserably. The withdrawal agreement from May isn't good, but is now being resurrected to get out rather than the best interests of the country.
Personally, I'd revoke A50 and say get a deal together that can pass and then we'll put it to the public; deal or remain. There are too many terrorists desperate to force us out on a disastrous no deal, to leave it hanging in limbo like this.
What I think should realistically happen, is that we still get a deal together and it has to go back to the public regardless. The illegal campaign and lies of the leave campaign should guarantee that the public get a final say.
The referendum wasn't given to Moses on top of mount sinai, it was then, and has always been advisory.
smudgie
07-09-2019, 03:01 PM
Keep it simple.
Have an election, all sides show their true colours as to leave or remain.
Make it a promise to leave the Irish border as it is and then see if the EU would really put the borders back up.
No easy answer, but it needs sorting once and for all.
Cherie
07-09-2019, 03:14 PM
Hold a new referendum
with the two options being
Remain or Leave with no deal, so everyone is clear what is happening once the result is confirmed
Someone suggested if they do have a GE, there could be a second referendum ballot paper so people can vote the parties on their policies (outside of Brexit) and vote on Brexit at the same time, seems a great idea to me.
arista
07-09-2019, 03:16 PM
I think you'll find there is.
Stephen Kinnock's amendment was accepted without a vote as to the idea.
Joey it was a Error
that it got in
No Tellers there.
Loads of MP's have said NO
that's the data that matters
arista
07-09-2019, 03:18 PM
Hold a new referendum
with the two options being
Remain or Leave with no deal, so everyone is clear what is happening once the result is confirmed
Someone suggested if they do have a GE, there could be a second referendum ballot paper so people can vote the parties on their policies (outside of Brexit) and vote on Brexit at the same time, seems a great idea to me.
Parliament does not want that now
You are Not Up To Date
things are delayed all the time that prove more complex than originally thought. Look at the high speed train link as the most obvious example, or the channel tunnel. There are loads of examples. We should not leave until we have an outcome that gets through parliament via democratic means
Cherie
07-09-2019, 03:54 PM
Parliament does not want that now
You are Not Up To Date
The question is
Default Brexit - what would you do?
you need to learn to read :hee:
LaLaLand
07-09-2019, 04:03 PM
No deal. Get us out. I've had enough.
Use money saved in "divorce bill" to put back into our economy that will "be suffering" for a while after [apparently...]
user104658
07-09-2019, 04:12 PM
Democracy is dead, people are "sick of experts" and have proven that they're susceptible to rabbling patriotism to the extent that they will willingly, and repeatedly, vote for self destruction.
Revoke article 50 without a second thought.
user104658
07-09-2019, 04:13 PM
Use money saved in "divorce bill" to put back into our economy that will "be suffering" for a while after [apparently...]
There will be no extra money. Any money "saved" will be lost due to the lack of trade deals.
arista
07-09-2019, 04:20 PM
The question is
Default Brexit - what would you do?
you need to learn to read :hee:
Parliament will still not do it
James
07-09-2019, 04:29 PM
Parliament will still not do itThe point of the poll is to ask what you want parliament to do.
I should have worded the question in the first post, 'What do you want to happen with Brexit'.
Tom4784
07-09-2019, 04:42 PM
Leave with the deal. If another Referendum happens then we'll just end up going back and forth and leaving without a deal is disastrous. Leaving with a deal is the only option that will appease both sides. A compromise from both sides is the only way this ordeal can end.
user104658
07-09-2019, 05:38 PM
Leave with the deal. If another Referendum happens then we'll just end up going back and forth and leaving without a deal is disastrous. Leaving with a deal is the only option that will appease both sides. A compromise from both sides is the only way this ordeal can end.This is probably right really. Parliament should have accepted the deal that May got and sorted the rest out later. Leaving at all is going to be damaging economically; but not in a way immediately noticeable in people's day to day lives like a No Deal crash out is likely to be.
joeysteele
07-09-2019, 05:39 PM
This poll is as split on a way as Parliament is.
Well Im in Ireland so not sure if I can vote or not.Brexit sadly is happening so for the love of all things sacred WA .
user104658
07-09-2019, 05:51 PM
This poll is as split on a way as Parliament is.That's the problem really isn't it. The split in Parliament roughly represents the split in public opinion and thus, there is no mandate at all for any drastic action. So the only options are to consider the whole thing an "inconclusive poll" and leave things as they are, or go for the middle ground which is to leave but with a deal as close to full customs union as possible. :shrug:.
Kizzy
07-09-2019, 06:14 PM
Well I suppose as there has already been a referendum and the result was allegedly leave, then a renegotiated deal would be the only democratic option. Not sure how 'soft' that is but if it protects the Irish then that's right and fair in my eyes.
Brexit champions have had 3 years to get a deal and failed miserably. The withdrawal agreement from May isn't good, but is now being resurrected to get out rather than the best interests of the country.
Personally, I'd revoke A50 and say get a deal together that can pass and then we'll put it to the public; deal or remain. There are too many terrorists desperate to force us out on a disastrous no deal, to leave it hanging in limbo like this.
What I think should realistically happen, is that we still get a deal together and it has to go back to the public regardless. The illegal campaign and lies of the leave campaign should guarantee that the public get a final say.
The referendum wasn't given to Moses on top of mount sinai, it was then, and has always been advisory.May wasn't a Brexit champion, neither was her right hand man Hammond, they're both remainers. They both used their power to derail us.
Now we have a leaver in charge, he's a dictator, he's a liar, he's horrible, he's a baffoon, he's probably a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a transphobe, a sexist, a misogynist and he must be stopped.
When actually all Boris is doing is trying to implement the vote of 2016.
Tom4784
07-09-2019, 06:56 PM
All Boris is trying to do is please the elites he serves. He's no hero of the people.
Twosugars
07-09-2019, 06:56 PM
Leave was campaigning to exit with a deal. Anything less is a betrayal of 2016 vote
Not that I think their lies should be rewarded
Scarlett.
07-09-2019, 07:14 PM
Leave with the deal. If another Referendum happens then we'll just end up going back and forth and leaving without a deal is disastrous. Leaving with a deal is the only option that will appease both sides. A compromise from both sides is the only way this ordeal can end.
This is probably the most realistic outcome, which I hope ends up happening. I'd love to remain, but doing so would just cause more trouble, the vote was basically nearly a 50-50 split, so the deal is probably the best option.
Scarlett.
07-09-2019, 07:16 PM
May wasn't a Brexit champion, neither was her right hand man Hammond, they're both remainers. They both used their power to derail us.
Now we have a leaver in charge, he's a dictator, he's a liar, he's horrible, he's a baffoon, he's probably a bigot, a racist, a homophobe, a transphobe, a sexist, a misogynist and he must be stopped and is trying to implement no deal
Fixed it for you
joeysteele
07-09-2019, 07:39 PM
That's the problem really isn't it. The split in Parliament roughly represents the split in public opinion and thus, there is no mandate at all for any drastic action. So the only options are to consider the whole thing an "inconclusive poll" and leave things as they are, or go for the middle ground which is to leave but with a deal as close to full customs union as possible. :shrug:.
Yes, I agree with all that TS.
Fixed it for you"No deal is better than a bad deal" not my words, the words of our Governments manifesto.
Boris is offering you the chance to vote remainers into government right now, but Corbyn doesn't want to.
Twosugars
07-09-2019, 07:46 PM
"No deal is better than a bad deal" not my words, the words of our Governments manifesto.
Boris is offering you the chance to vote remainers into government right now, but Corbyn doesn't want to.
Nobody believes the lying clown, let's secure an extension and then elections
Twosugars
07-09-2019, 07:48 PM
Leavers losing another tibb poll
Fixed it for you
Nobody believes the lying clown, let's secure an extension and then electionsDo you remember when everyone says that they're fed up with Brexit? Well TS disagree's TS want's to extend it further. Who cares about the uncertainty for business's now?
Leavers losing another tibb pollThat really isn't a shock, do you think it is?
Scarlett.
07-09-2019, 07:54 PM
Do you remember when everyone says that they're fed up with Brexit? Well Dia disagree's Dia want's to extend it further. Who cares about the uncertainty for business's now?
Well, I'm sick of Brexit, but its quite an important thing, so I don't think rushing it because its no longer a popular topic is a good idea. I think it's more realistic that we're gonna take the deal, which is probably the 3rd best outcome.
Twosugars
07-09-2019, 09:07 PM
Do you remember when everyone says that they're fed up with Brexit? Well TS disagree's TS want's to extend it further. Who cares about the uncertainty for business's now?
Business doesnt want no deal
Read business representatives statements and watch the pound.
Twosugars
07-09-2019, 09:09 PM
That really isn't a shock, do you think it is?
No it isn't. Tibb as a group has good instincts.
Twosugars
07-09-2019, 09:09 PM
Well, I'm sick of Brexit, but its quite an important thing, so I don't think rushing it because its no longer a popular topic is a good idea. I think it's more realistic that we're gonna take the deal, which is probably the 3rd best outcome.
Exactly right.
No it isn't. Tibb as a group has good instincts.Have you been watching my Big Brother polls? They think Charley Uchea is a person to support.
user104658
07-09-2019, 09:30 PM
Have you been watching my Big Brother polls? They think Charley Uchea is a person to support.:nono: Charley was a mess as a human being but absolute gold as a housemate, Alf. I wouldn't go out for a coffee with any of my favourite BB alumni.
Withano
07-09-2019, 11:34 PM
The best thing for the country
michael21
07-09-2019, 11:43 PM
Parliament does not want that now
You are Not Up To Date
Thread say what would you do so all view are weclome
Leave with the deal. If another Referendum happens then we'll just end up going back and forth and leaving without a deal is disastrous. Leaving with a deal is the only option that will appease both sides. A compromise from both sides is the only way this ordeal can end.
...I think this is the only ‘ideal’ option now ...it’s not really ideal at all but it’s as ideal as it could possibly be so that we don’t find ourselves in this place again in the future...well, so that future generations don’t...this should never have been a people’s referendum vote ...A decision that could compromise the Good Friday Agreement and the peace times that people have been able to live under in recent times...was played with in a game of politics and put to a people’s vote, without those people being given full understanding of the weight of their vote...what it would mean to the lives of some..?...it’s sickening beyond words...
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