House of Commons Speaker Bercow to Stand down at last, 31st October

[arista]

But is staying on for a few months.


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[Twosugars]

Outstanding speaker, will be missed

[Withano]

I’d stand down if Boris was PM too. Bercow must feel like he goes to work for nothing to get done.

[joeysteele]

Bercow pulling the rug from under Johnson and Co and their pathetic vindictiveness.

A true parliamentarian.

Good luck to him.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

But is staying on for a few months.


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Good job,he is supposed to be impartial,something he is not :wavey:

[Liam-]

A great loss, the only person in that room that tries to keep things sane and civil

[joeysteele]

A great loss, the only person in that room that tries to keep things sane and civil

Major loss.

He's there to make sure the rules of Parliament are upheld.
That he has done.

He's not there as a yes person to anyone or Party.

Those against him just don't like that he's highlighted the wrongs of the present administration in power.

Who wanted to steamroll and ride roughshed over due parliamentary processes and opinion.

[Kizzy]

I hope they can get someone as principled as Bercow who isn't intimidated by the bullingdon bullies either.
Very sad to see him step down.

[Oliver_W]

He's great! Shame tbh

[arista]

Good job,he is supposed to be impartial,something he is not :wavey:


Bang On Right
Wise Kaz

[Kizzy]

modern Speaker is politically impartial and expected to avoid taking a political stance or favouring particular interests over others. To ensure this, the Speaker is expected to resign from their party on appointment*and do not campaign in general elections – usually standing unopposed by the major political parties. However, they are still a serving MP and undertake constituency work.

The role of the Speaker is almost as old as Parliament itself and has evolved significantly over time. Originally the Speaker was the monarch’s de facto representative in Parliament. From the 18th*century onwards, the Speaker gained greater independence, beginning to represent the collective voice of Parliament.

Right, so explain to me what the speaker has done that would would suggest he is not impartial? His job as representative is to speak for the collective in the commons. ..he is, so where's the problem.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/speaker-house-commons

[joeysteele]

I hope they can get someone as principled as Bercow who isn't intimidated by the bullingdon bullies either.
Very sad to see him step down.

Principled is the word Kizzy.

Exactly, he hasn't let himself be and wouldn't let others in parliament be bullied in Parliament.
Like it seems some voters would support , for Johnson and co anyway.

Sad to lose his experience and impartial stance as to true democratic process in parliament.

[hijaxers]

Good job,he is supposed to be impartial,something he is not :wavey:

I agree so glad he's going.

[joeysteele]

modern Speaker is politically impartial and expected to avoid taking a political stance or favouring particular interests over others. To ensure this, the Speaker is expected to resign from their party on appointment*and do not campaign in general elections – usually standing unopposed by the major political parties. However, they are still a serving MP and undertake constituency work.

The role of the Speaker is almost as old as Parliament itself and has evolved significantly over time. Originally the Speaker was the monarch’s de facto representative in Parliament. From the 18th*century onwards, the Speaker gained greater independence, beginning to represent the collective voice of Parliament.

Right, so explain to me what the speaker has done that would would suggest he is not impartial? His job as representative is to speak for the collective in the commons. ..he is, so where's the problem.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/speaker-house-commons

He hasn't let a Con PM get away with bullying, blackmail and threatening dictator like behaviour.

That's why some rabid hard-line Con or hardest brexit supporters think he isn't impartial.

There's no other reason Kizzy.

[bots]

I've never liked Bercow, I think he is a particularly unpleasant man, a bully, and he does further his own agenda, which is bias. He may be fairly neutral in political terms, but that does not mean he is not biased.

[UserSince2005]

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[Cherie]

He always loved the sound of his own voice, and he is a remainer so as a remainer I think it is difficult for him to be impartial, didn't he dig up some thousand year old law to block something or other.... if the speaker was a leaver he wouldn't be impartial either so...they aren't robots so they are bound to be swayed by their own beliefs, be interesting to see who takes his place and what side they come down on!

[Kizzy]

I've never liked Bercow, I think he is a particularly unpleasant man, a bully, and he does further his own agenda, which is bias. He may be fairly neutral in political terms, but that does not mean he is not biased.

Yes it does, being politically neutral is exactly what 'not biased' or unbiased means.

He of course is entitled to a personal opinion, which he is free to express when not in his role of speaker

[bots]

[/B]

Yes it does, being politically neutral is exactly what 'not biased' or unbiased means.

He of course is entitled to a personal opinion, which he is free to express when not in his role of speaker

don't be ridiculous, there are many forms of bias other than political bias

[MTVN]

Started as a good speaker but in the last year or so he's overturned precedent and constitutional norms whenever hes felt like it in order to further his own agenda

Not to mention his massive ego and his history of bullying young staff particularly women

[smudgie]

Started as a good speaker but in the last year or so he's overturned precedent and constitutional norms whenever hes felt like it in order to further his own agenda

Not to mention his massive ego and his history of bullying young staff particularly women

Says it all really.

[joeysteele]

If people think him bad.
Betty Boothroyd would have wiped the floor with this government.

Bercow has been a strong speaker.
Who has helped ensure when possible all right and legitimate scrutiny of this deceitful last 2 Prime Ministers and government.

[Twosugars]

Started as a good speaker but in the last year or so he's overturned precedent and constitutional norms whenever hes felt like it in order to further his own agenda

Not to mention his massive ego and his history of bullying young staff particularly women

And what would this "own agenda" be?

[Twosugars]

What Gove said about Bercow today


Michael Gove, the Cabinet Office minister, is speaking now. He says Bercow was a tenacious backbencher, and frontbencher too.

He says he has no wish to prematurely truncate Bercow’ role in the chair.

He says he has always appreciated the way Bercow has tried to ensure the executive has been held to account. He says Bercow has acted in the best tradition of Speakers.

He says Bercow has tried to make the executive answerable to the Commons, just as the house is answerable to the people.

The Guardian

[Kizzy]

don't be ridiculous, there are many forms of bias other than political bias

And how would any other form be relevant in this context and conversation bots Come on then...if I'm being 'ridiculous', explain where this perceived bias lies then if not political that should exclude him from holding his position?

[Kizzy]

Started as a good speaker but in the last year or so he's overturned precedent and constitutional norms whenever hes felt like it in order to further his own agenda

Not to mention his massive ego and his history of bullying young staff particularly women

Precedent...... so not law, or constitution just what previous governments have got away with? He has no duty to maintain that if it goes against yhe best interest of the house for which he is speaker...he isn't a government mouthpiece.

[Twosugars]

Precedent...... so not law, or constitution just what previous gover mens have got away with? He has no duty to maintain that if it goes against yhe best interest of the house for which he is speaker...he isn't a government mouthpiece.

Me thinks, Kizzy that some people would like to ignore the independence of legislature as well as the judiciary from the executive. The cornerstone of our democracy and the only thing that differentiates us from a dictatorship

[Tom4784]

A huge loss to Parliament.

It's sad that a bunch of manchild brexiters probably forced his hand just because they were throwing tantrums over misunderstanding what impartial means.

'Wah! You're biased unless you agree with everything we do and believe in!'

[Kizzy]

Me thinks, Kizzy that some people would like to ignore the independence of legislature as well as the judiciary from the executive. The cornerstone of our democracy and the only thing that differentiates us from a dictatorship

Yes it very much seems that way. And now the vote has been cast in favour of releasing the impact assessments in yellowhammer the govt are crying thats ' disproportionate and unprecedented'...what like proroguing parliament?! :joker:
These lot are an absolute joke.

[Kizzy]

A huge loss to Parliament.

It's sad that a bunch of manchild brexiters probably forced his hand just because they were throwing tantrums over misunderstanding what impartial means.

'Wah! You're biased unless you agree with everything we do and believe in!'

Well that appears to be it, as Bercow was from the tory benches when appointed I think they thought they had a stooge. Fortunately he has taken his role as speaker seriously and resisted being a government yes man. He should be and is being commended by all but those who oppose his obligation to the house as a whole.

[michael21]

Yes he need time off to get a haircut

[Alf]

I repeat

Cuckold

Please don't delete my posts, when I don't break the forum rules. Because it looks like you're singling me out politically.

[joeysteele]

A huge loss to Parliament.

It's sad that a bunch of manchild brexiters probably forced his hand just because they were throwing tantrums over misunderstanding what impartial means.

'Wah! You're biased unless you agree with everything we do and believe in!'



Sums all up perfectly.

I couldn't agree more he is a huge parliamentary loss.

[Twosugars]

I repeat

Cuckold

Please don't delete my posts, when I don't break the forum rules. Because it looks like you're singling me out politically.

His marital life has no bearing here.
At least he knows how many children he fathered unlike bojo.

[Alf]

His marital life has no bearing here.
At least he knows how many children he fathered unlike bojo.He's a public figure, he's fair game for a ribbing. I'll decide if I want to mock his marital status, just as you'll decide to mock who you want, whether that be Boris, Jacob or anyone else.

[Rob!]

If people think him bad.
Betty Boothroyd would have wiped the floor with this government.

Bercow has been a strong speaker.
Who has helped ensure when possible all right and legitimate scrutiny of this deceitful last 2 Prime Ministers and government.

I’ve seen clips of Betty, she was a goddess :love:

[Twosugars]

He's a public figure, he's fair game for a ribbing. I'll decide if I want to mock his marital status, just as you'll decide to mock who you want, whether that be Boris, Jacob or anyone else.

Be my guest.

Only commented bc you were making it sound as if it was some great political point you were making :shrug:

[Beso]

Good riddance to the bullying sexist lying pig.

[Kizzy]

Good riddance to the bullying sexist lying pig.

We're talking about the speaker here...not Boris :/

[MB.]

Personally I hope that we're going to gradually move our way through the more famous husbands of CBB8 housemates in order of eviction, and that the next Speaker of the House will be David Hasselhoff

[MB.]

But on a non-Hoff note, knowing what the Tories actually mean when they say they want to replace Bercow with an "impartial" speaker scares me a tad

[Beso]

We're talking about the speaker here...not Boris :/

Oh...that vile human. .who bully young women, and lies for the leader of the opposition allowing him of the hook for using sexist. Language....pig of a man.

[joeysteele]

I’ve seen clips of Betty, she was a goddess :love:

She was really tough.

Brilliant Speaker, she'd have taken no nonsense either.
Really knew her stuff.

Formidable.

[bots]

The new speaker will be chosen by a parliament without a majority, I can't think of a better time to pick a new speaker

[Kizzy]

It traditionally goes from one side of the house to the other too so the next speaker should come if following tradition from the Labour side, Harriet Harman has offered her services did the MP for Peterborough.

[joeysteele]

It traditionally goes from one side of the house to the other too so the next speaker should come if following tradition from the Labour side, Harriet Harman has offered her services did the MP for Peterborough.

Not always Kizzy.
After Labour's Betty Boothroyd, she was replaced by Labour's Michael Martin.

I'd imagine Johnson will want to try to get one of his extreme hardliners in the post.

However as bitontheslide said, it's a good time to elect a new speaker.
Now Johnson has not been given his manipulatively dangerous way of getting an election, to help him bully his choice in.

Well done to the MPs who have stood against his deranged mad in power stance and hopes.

[Beso]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/9897227/john-bercow-parliament-prorogation-labour-mps-scuffle/

[Kizzy]

Not always Kizzy.
After Labour's Betty Boothroyd, she was replaced by Labour's Michael Martin.

I'd imagine Johnson will want to try to get one of his extreme hardliners in the post.

However as bitontheslide said, it's a good time to elect a new speaker.
Now Johnson has not been given his manipulatively dangerous way of getting an election, to help him bully his choice in.

Well done to the MPs who have stood against his deranged mad in power stance and hopes.

I didn't say it would, but from the info I posted that was how it was explained. I was hoping Bercow would stay on to play out brexit in its entirety myself.

[joeysteele]

I didn't say it would, but from the info I posted that was how it was explained. I was hoping Bercow would stay on to play out brexit in its entirety myself.

So did I want Bercow to stay Kizzy, like yourself.
However, The Cons were planning to break all tradition by standing against him in his seat.

Showing the petty vindictiveness of this PM and his extreme company of bully boys and girls behind him.

So for Bercow, I'm glad he's been able to thwart again, this madman's determination to silence any opposition to him.

How anyone can support this really worrying and dangerously so, deceitful PM, is totally beyond my comprehension.

[Cherie]

I have just heard they spend 83 minutes paying tribute to him.....what a waste of time the night before Parliament shuts down, and he allowed it??? baffling!

[user104658]

I have just heard they spend 83 minutes paying tribute to him.....what a waste of time the night before Parliament shuts down, and he allowed it??? baffling!

At the end of the day Cherie, the vast majority of Westminster politicians (especially those late in their careers) have absolutely no element of personal risk in Brexit... and that's part of what makes it so scary. Yes, they can be passionate about it. Yes, many care deeply about what happens to the country. But none of them are going to have less comfortable lives on a personal level based on the outcome. They have homes abroad, they have assets and investment portfolios, they have large off-shore private pension funds. More than enough to live comfortable lives 'til the end of their days, even if the UK economy collapses over-night on the 31st of October.

Bercow doesn't want it to happen, I'm sure it makes him very angry, but personally? He's going to be just fine, so he's allowed himself a moment (or 83 apparently) to have his ego stroked a bit.

Of course, some like Mr Johnson & friends most likely have their investments organised specifically to benefit from such an outcome.

[Matthew.]

Shame, I like him a lot

OOODEEHHHHH :oh:

[Cherie]

At the end of the day Cherie, the vast majority of Westminster politicians (especially those late in their careers) have absolutely no element of personal risk in Brexit... and that's part of what makes it so scary. Yes, they can be passionate about it. Yes, many care deeply about what happens to the country. But none of them are going to have less comfortable lives on a personal level based on the outcome. They have homes abroad, they have assets and investment portfolios, they have large off-shore private pension funds. More than enough to live comfortable lives 'til the end of their days, even if the UK economy collapses over-night on the 31st of October.

Bercow doesn't want it to happen, I'm sure it makes him very angry, but personally? He's going to be just fine, so he's allowed himself a moment (or 83 apparently) to have his ego stroked a bit.

Of course, some like Mr Johnson & friends most likely have their investments organised specifically to benefit from such an outcome.

I couldn't agree more, it was just the idea that he was made out to be practically some kind of saint when he has essentially picked a time to resign that he will be remembered for and will go down in history...this idea that he is some paragon of virtue who was the best thing since sliced bread is kinda laughable, not to mention the complete glossing over of the bullying of young women allegations

[arista]

I have just heard they spend 83 minutes paying tribute to him.....what a waste of time the night before Parliament shuts down, and he allowed it??? baffling!



Yes it was wrong

[Twosugars]

I couldn't agree more, it was just the idea that he was made out to be practically some kind of saint when he has essentially picked a time to resign that he will be remembered for and will go down in history...this idea that he is some paragon of virtue who was the best thing since sliced bread is kinda laughable, not to mention the complete glossing over of the bullying of young women allegations

He may be a knob sometimes but he singlehandedly revived parliamentary democracy
And for that he's one of the great speakers

[joeysteele]

He didn't encourage the tributes to himself.

Through the time, it wasn't all just tributes, many were rising on points of order then coupling that with a message personally to him.

Nothing wrong I could see and apart from Gove, the fact it seemed to irritate the Con front bench.
Was good to see,.for me anyway.

I agree, unsurprisingly, with Twosugars, he is likely to be seen as one of the great speakers.
From his other reforming changes too.

[Twosugars]

The tributes were fine. He's been a speaker for almost 10 years and it's a tradition to thank an outgoing speaker etc anyway.
They sat till late, he squeezed the Grieve papers release business and a corbyn motion for rule of law.
They achieved plenty on this last day.