Baby thrown from bridge in Manchester

[AnnieK]

Awful story that happened in Manchester yesterday

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/radcliffe-baby-death-investigation-arrest-16905102

This is 2 minutes from my Dad's house. Such an awful thing to happen :sad:

[Cherie]

Awful, I assume it was the Dad

[AnnieK]

Awful, I assume it was the Dad

Yes, they have today confirmed they have the Dad in custody. Apparently, he went to buy milk, threw the baby off the bridge and then went and demanded a drink at the local pub.

No reasons have been released yet :sad:

[Cherie]

Yes, they have today confirmed they have the Dad in custody. Apparently, he went to buy milk, threw the baby off the bridge and then went and demanded a drink at the local pub.

No reasons have been released yet :sad:


OMG horrific, I know people will disagree but he should be sterilised so he can never again father a child, some people just do not deserve to be parents

[AnnieK]

OMG horrific, I know people will disagree but he should be sterilised so he can never again father a child, some people just do not deserve to be parents

Agree with you.....

Hopefully he will be locked up for life (doubt it though, but he should be)

[arista]

Yes Evil/

[GiRTh]

Jesus, what kind of a person does this?

I agree, this man is a danger to children so should never have any more.

[DouglasS]

OMG horrific, I know people will disagree but he should be sterilised so he can never again father a child, some people just do not deserve to be parents

I agree. I don’t think anyone can disagree with what you’ve said Cherie, child abusers - child murderers should not be allowed future children and must be sterilised to save future children

[Tom4784]

If it was a woman I'd say it could have been a tragic case of post-partum depression but I don't believe there's a male equivalent for new fathers.

I feel sorry for the family and the mother in particular.

[DouglasS]

If it was a woman I'd say it could have been a tragic case of post-partum depression but I don't believe there's a male equivalent for new fathers.

I feel sorry for the family and the mother in particular.

She’d be just as evil, there would be no excuse

[Tom4784]

She’d be just as evil, there would be new excuse

You don't know what you are talking about.

Post partum illnesses can lead to women doing things they'd never do in their right minds. There's been stories of women who have had kids before and have raised them with love and care snapping with post partum illnesses and killing their newborns. They aren't in their right minds and when it happens, it's a tragedy all around.

[DouglasS]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Post partum illnesses can lead to women doing things they'd never do in their right minds. There's been stories of women who have had kids before and have raised them with love and care snapping with post partum illnesses and killing their newborns. They aren't in their right minds and when it happens, it's a tragedy all around.

I don’t think a loving mother can ever actively murder their own children at such a vulnerable age. I think it takes an evil person to carry through with that, I am not going to feel sorry for any child murderer no matter if you think it’s ethical and acceptable to do so because of the name of mental health

Yes post pantrum illnesses are real and it affects countless women, those women also do not kill their babies, they suffer and need more support. As soon as the murdering mother is caught she then makes true victims look bad by jumping on the band wagon and blaming her mental health, as this dad will do after speaking to his lawyer

[Kazanne]

Awful story that happened in Manchester yesterday

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/radcliffe-baby-death-investigation-arrest-16905102

This is 2 minutes from my Dad's house. Such an awful thing to happen :sad:

It's terrible Annie,poor little man,I never understand why people who have a domestic take it out on the children (presuming that's what happened here)such an awful way to revenge people.

[Tom4784]

I don’t think a loving mother can ever actively murder their own children at such a vulnerable age. I think it takes an evil person to carry through with that, I am not going to feel sorry for any child murderer no matter if you think it’s ethical and acceptable to do so because of the name of mental health

Yes post pantrum illnesses are real and it affects countless women, those women also do not kill their babies, they suffer and need more support. As soon as the murdering mother is caught she then makes true victims look bad by jumping on the band wagon and blaming her mental health, as this dad will do after speaking to his lawyer

Yeah, you don't understand at all.

Psychosis can make anyone do terrible things, making people act out of character is what psychosis is. Post partum illnesses are not just 'Oh, I've had a baby, now I'm a bit sad', they're a spectrum and refusing to acknowledge that doesn't make you a bastion of unwavering virtue, it makes you ignorant to the facts.

If someone is not in their right mind due to things like psychosis then they can't ethically be held accountable for their actions. No need to punish these mothers just to deal with your own justice hardon when they'll be punishing themselves for the rest of their lives. What's more important is actually helping these people overcome these illnesses.

[DouglasS]

Yeah, you don't understand at all.

Psychosis can make anyone do terrible things, making people act out of character is what psychosis is. Post partum illnesses are not just 'Oh, I've had a baby, now I'm a bit sad', they're a spectrum and refusing to acknowledge that doesn't make you a bastion of unwavering virtue, it makes you ignorant to the facts.

If someone is not in their right mind due to things like psychosis then they can't ethically be held accountable for their actions. No need to punish these mothers just to deal with your own justice hardon when they'll be punishing themselves for the rest of their lives. What's more important is actually helping these people overcome these illnesses.

Completely disagree, the fathers need the support of the mothers who have murdered their babies.

Likewise the mothers will need the support of the fathers that have murdered their babies in this case.

[Ammi]

Awful story that happened in Manchester yesterday

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/radcliffe-baby-death-investigation-arrest-16905102

This is 2 minutes from my Dad's house. Such an awful thing to happen :sad:

...I was just reading some of the tributes that have been left on the bridge...one from his grandparents as well...it’s heart rendering...and anyone living close like your dad...couldn’t not be hugely impacted in their emotions, Annie...

[UserSince2005]

disgusted but not suprised. every time I take the metro line out to Bury you see scum capable of this living their sad pathetic lives.

[AnnieK]

disgusted but not suprised. every time I take the metro line out to Bury you see scum capable of this living their sad pathetic lives.

You always come into threads with comments like this....there are scummy people everywhere. Where do you actually live?

[Twosugars]

Completely disagree, the fathers need the support of the mothers who have murdered their babies.

Likewise the mothers will need the support of the fathers that have murdered their babies in this case.

You may disagree all you like. The law has a concept of diminished responsibility and psych tests will be done.

[DouglasS]

You may disagree all you like. The law has a concept of diminished responsibility and psych tests will be done.

I think everyone already knows the law is broken? When people who burn alive puppy’s and kittens get less than a year, or when people raped pregnant women, get half a year and then end up murdering someone...

Punishments need to be harsher, and mental health isn’t an acceptable excuse for murder ever - regardless of what you or Dezzy believe

[Kazanne]

I think everyone already knows the law is broken? When people who burn alive puppy’s and kittens get less than a year, or when people raped pregnant women, get half a year and then end up murdering someone...

Punishments need to be harsher, and mental health isn’t an acceptable excuse for murder ever - regardless of what you or Dezzy believe

The law is a sham in Britain , but even when they give out prison sentences the EU can override them ,so its really up to them what some of our prisoners get

[Tony Montana]

Shocking and horrific.

RIP.

[Marsh.]

She’d be just as evil, there would be no excuse

Post partum psychosis exists.

[Marsh.]

I think everyone already knows the law is broken? When people who burn alive puppy’s and kittens get less than a year, or when people raped pregnant women, get half a year and then end up murdering someone...

Punishments need to be harsher, and mental health isn’t an acceptable excuse for murder ever - regardless of what you or Dezzy believe

How very 1950s of you.

[Amy Jade]

Horrific, why would he do that?

[UserSince2005]

You always come into threads with comments like this....there are scummy people everywhere. Where do you actually live?

Zone 1 honey, I escaped.

[DouglasS]

Zone 1 honey, I escaped.

I’m moving to zone 1 on Saturday :love:

[UserSince2005]

I’m moving to zone 1 on Saturday :love:

cool, welcome to the elite, where exactly.

[AnnieK]

Zone 1 honey, I escaped.

Escaped from where?

[UserSince2005]

Escaped from where?

the pits of manchester

[Tom4784]

I think everyone already knows the law is broken? When people who burn alive puppy’s and kittens get less than a year, or when people raped pregnant women, get half a year and then end up murdering someone...

Punishments need to be harsher, and mental health isn’t an acceptable excuse for murder ever - regardless of what you or Dezzy believe

How is someone who normally wouldn't hurt a fly but did so under the effects of psychosis comparable to someone that willingly tortures animals or rapists?

You're just wrong, this isn't a matter of opinion but fact. Temporary insanity is a thing, post partum psychosis is a real thing. Mental illness isn't an 'excuse' but a recognised factor and it's become as such due to years of research and investigation into said mental illnesses by people who are far more knowledgeable on the subject than a justice warrior that gets off on punishment.

It's honestly enraging when people say **** like this, you're just sounding like the mental health equivalent of an anti-vaxxer to me.

[AnnieK]

the pits of manchester

Where though? You've talked about Bury in this thread and others....just wondered where exactly you think the pits of Manchester actually is

[bots]

There is a series on netflix where a rival throws young children off a bridge. It's not something i would even have thought of before so I do wonder if programs like that really do influence people

[Josy]

Horrible

[Toy Soldier]

If it was a woman I'd say it could have been a tragic case of post-partum depression but I don't believe there's a male equivalent for new fathers.

I feel sorry for the family and the mother in particular.

There's obviously no exact equivalent as hormonal imbalances play a huge part in post-partum psychosis, however I find it HIGHLY unlikely (from the description of what happened) that this act was carried out by someone "in their right mind". Most likely scenario with a baby involved would be an underlying disorder coupled with sleep deprivation (which is a common trigger for things like extreme bipolar disorder and psychosis). Three nights with severe sleep deprivation is enough to start aural and visual hallucinations in perfectly healthy adults with no underlying mental health problems.

Obviously such a horrific outcome is extremely rare and we don't know the full details, but I wouldn't rule out psychosis "of a sort" on account of him being male.

[Nicky91]

The law is a sham in Britain , but even when they give out prison sentences the EU can override them ,so its really up to them what some of our prisoners get

dutch law system says hi

ours is worse than the britain's law, justice system


also putting mental health institutions near communities is quite a horrible choice, here we got a ''TBS'' system like if you are multiple times arrested for crimes such as murder, or dumping baby's which also happens here, you end up in one of those institutions, and you have chances of doing better in future years to come, with so called ''ankle bracelets'' as a way for police to track them but these ankle bracelets you can very easily override

[arista]

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