Jesy Nelson/Odd One Out...

[Ammi]

...on BBC3 at 9pm this evening....Jesy...:lovedup:...


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[Amy Jade]

Absolutely adore her

[LukeB]

I remember the abuse she got during X Factor, all because she wasn't skinny as the other girls. These trolls are pathetic and i do think more should be done about it.

[Alf]

Should have called the programme

"Look at me, I'm a victim and I'm gonna make money off it while pushing for censorship of your online opinions"

[Liam-]

My favourite :love:

[Amy Jade]

Should have called the programme

"Look at me, I'm a victim and I'm gonna make money off it while pushing for censorship of your online opinions"

What? She's made no money off this documentary.

Also online opinions? I remember way back in TXF days people were encouraging her to kill herself or starve herself how the hell is that okay?

[Morgan.]

Should have called the programme

"Look at me, I'm a victim and I'm gonna make money off it while pushing for censorship of your online opinions"

If the online opinion she’s censoring is ‘kill yourself because your fat and ugly’ then there really shouldn’t be an issue?

It’s not like she’s telling people to stop saying they didn’t like the new little mix song is it?

[Alf]

What? She's made no money off this documentary.

Also online opinions? I remember way back in TXF days people were encouraging her to kill herself or starve herself how the hell is that okay?Someone once told me to "drop dead" and someone else told me to "go put your head in the oven" another said "go boil your head" another person called me "a far-right Nazi" just because I voted different to them in a referendum. I just ignored it and didn't dwell on it.

[Kazanne]

I don't like the girl much,but its disgusting if people have made her feel like that,so many keyboard cowards about, and before anyone starts the reason I'm not keen on the girl is nothing to do with her size or looks.

[LukeB]

Someone once told me to "drop dead" and someone else told me to "go put your head in the oven" another said "go boil your head" another person said to called me "a far-right Nazi" just because I voted different to them in a referendum. I just ignored it and didn't dwell on it.

I don't think it's easy to ignore it especially when she's getting thousands of messages a day to kill herself.

[RileyH]

Thicc legend :love:

[Marsh.]

Oh well Alf feels ok about abuse like this so I don't know why they bothered.

Did the BBC not do him a courtesy and pitch the show to him before they wasted their time making it?

[Kate!]

Luv Jesy

[sleleen]

Oh well Alf feels ok about abuse like this so I don't know why they bothered.

Did the BBC not do him a courtesy and pitch the show to him before they wasted their time making it?

:joker:

[Alf]

I don't think it's easy to ignore it especially when she's getting thousands of messages a day to kill herself.I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

[Amy Jade]

Watching on demand early

[Morgan.]

I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

You know getting a thick skin isn’t something you can just wake up one day and have there?

[Denver]

I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

Because she was a young girl who was new to the public eye

[Kazanne]

I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

Well have to say , this is true, there's no denying it.

[Alf]

You know getting a thick skin isn’t something you can just wake up one day and have there?Especially when being a victim is rewarding these days.

[DouglasS]

Well have to say , this is true, there's no denying it.

Yes. The same in this thread arguing with Alf were calling some of the male contestants in love Island disgusting / ugly / shrek and other nasty names

[Marsh.]

I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

Like Piers Morgan?

Phone hacking Piers Morgan?

Phone hacking a dead young girl Piers Morgan?

:laugh2:
You do make me laugh.

[Amy Jade]

I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

You're being incredibly ignorant.

Piers Morgan is a grown man, if he has a thicker skin and managed to look past it then good for him. Sadly at 19/20 Jesy could not and the vicious abuse she suffered drove her to attempt to end her life.

Do you seriously think young adults discussing social media and how it can be used to abuse people is a bad thing?

[sleleen]

Yes. The same in this thread arguing with Alf were calling some of the male contestants in love Island disgusting / ugly / shrek and other nasty names

I cant believe your saying that when you literally said something like one of the Casa Amor contestants was cast to show unattractive people they can be on the show

[sleleen]

Well done to her:love: Trolling really is a big issue that needs to be stopped

[Alf]

Like Piers Morgan?

Phone hacking Piers Morgan?

Phone hacking a dead young girl Piers Morgan?

:laugh2:
You do make me laugh.OK, let's try Keith Lemon. What's he ever done to deserve negative opinions?

[DouglasS]

You're being incredibly ignorant.

Piers Morgan is a grown man, if he has a thicker skin and managed to look past it then good for him. Sadly at 19/20 Jesy could not and the vicious abuse she suffered drove her to attempt to end her life.

Do you seriously think young adults discussing social media and how it can be used to abuse people is a bad thing?

Jordan and Curtis (and Michael is still a young adult) were not much older than Jesy was, you were just as cruel and sharp with your tounge as those trolls were to jesy, it’s still the same being about people on tv you don’t know.

[Amy Jade]

Watching now anyway

[Alf]

Well done to her:love: Trolling really is a big issue that needs to be stoppedJust not your trolling, eh? I expect your trolling is fine?

[Marsh.]

OK, let's try Keith Lemon. What's he ever done to deserve negative opinions?

Well 1) Who said he did? and 2) Keith Lemon isn't a real person. But sshhh that's a secret.

[Amy Jade]

Jordan and Curtis (and Michael is still a young adult) were not much older than Jesy was, you were just as cruel and sharp with your tounge as those trolls were to jesy, it’s still the same being about people on tv you don’t know.

Saying it on here is different to going on Twitter and @ a celeb and telling them to kill themselves but you're a ****ing joke because we know what you've done in the past so keep throwing stones in that glass house

[DouglasS]

I cant believe your saying that when you literally said something like one of the Casa Amor contestants was cast to show ugly people they can be on the show

I didn’t say she was ugly, I said some contestants are more attractive and she was probably cast for Diversity, rather than her pure looks as she wasn’t stunning like the rest of the contestants (which most love Island contestants are cast due to, let’s be honest. It doesn’t bother me how people look, it’s not how I form my opinion on them)

[LukeB]

I bet I could look through this forum and see vicious abuse about celebrities from most forum members. Why doesn't she just grow a thicker skin, like Piers Morgan has?

I doubt any of them are actually sending these comments to the actual person and sending them death threats. Just because Piers Morgan can handle it doesn't mean everyone else can.

[Marsh.]

Jack trying to clock people for using Shrek as an insult when it's his go-to word? Ok.

[LukeB]

Jack trying to clock people for using Shrek as an insult when it's his go-to word? Ok.

:skull: and calling Epic an ugly freak.

[Amy Jade]

Bless her pushed on anti depressants at 20 years old because of being constantly ridiculed so awful

[Alf]

Bless her pushed on anti depressants at 20 years old because of being constantly ridiculed so awfulHer bank account would be the only anti-depressant I'd need. Would certainly help with the depression of being skint.

[Ammi]

Watching on demand early

...oh I forgot about Demand, Amy...I’ll catch it at programming time...I’ve seen clips and I think it’s going to be an emotional watch...

[Amy Jade]

Her bank account would be the only anti-depressant I'd need. Would certainly help with the depression of being skint.

Actually watch it and you won't humiliate yourself further, they earn pittance while on X Factor and she actually tried to kill herself because of the abuse and you think money will solve that?

Disgusting. Bye.

[Kazanne]

Jordan and Curtis (and Michael is still a young adult) were not much older than Jesy was, you were just as cruel and sharp with your tounge as those trolls were to jesy, it’s still the same being about people on tv you don’t know.

I think we should all think about what we say and you are right some comments are below the belt and uncalled for, people were cruel about some of the LI contestants , to me it's not so different than calling people on social media, it shouldn't happen at all and who knows that they or someone they know would never see the remarks , comment on their personalities etc by all accounts but it should never be about looks or weight.

[Amy Jade]

...oh I forgot about Demand, Amy...I’ll catch it at programming time...I’ve seen clips and I think it’s going to be an emotional watch...

Just at the part where she talks about when she attempted suicide and I am crying

[Marsh.]

Her bank account would be the only anti-depressant I'd need. Would certainly help with the depression of being skint.

Yes because everyone's problems are incredibly simplistic and easily solved by money. Humans never experience complex mental health issues.

[DouglasS]

I think we should all think about what we say and you are right some comments are below the belt and uncalled for, people were cruel about some of the LI contestants , to me it's not so different than calling people on social media, it shouldn't happen at all and who knows that they or someone they know would never see the remarks , comment on their personalities etc by all accounts but it should never be about looks or weight.

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[Amy Jade]

She's such a beautiful girl I'll never understand how anyone could call her the 'ugly one' honestly

[Ammi]

Just at the part where she talks about when she attempted suicide and I am crying

...:sad:...I’m so glad that she’s doing this, she’s a very brave young lady...

[Marsh.]

It is sad that it seems to have pushed her into quite extreme cosmetic procedures from a young age.

[smudgie]

I can’t watch it. The trailer was enough.
That poor lass, she must have been beside herself to feel she wanted to kill herself.
It’s one thing making comments on a forum someone will never see, but to be so cruel and nasty for all to see is incredibly hurtful.
Probably spurred on by pure jealousy or someone who could only dream of being on her level.:fist:

[Amy Jade]

Facebook needs to really sort itself out. Don't want to spoil it but Sian :bawling:

[LukeB]

...:sad:...I’m so glad that she’s doing this, she’s a very brave young lady...

She is :love:

I hope it helps others and stops people from doing it.

[Ammi]

It is sad that it seems to have pushed her into quite extreme cosmetic procedures from a young age.

...I think the pressure on young girls is huge, and having cosmetic procedures young is beginning to be an everyday type thing...

[Ammi]

I can’t watch it. The trailer was enough.
That poor lass, she must have been beside herself to feel she wanted to kill herself.
It’s one thing making comments on a forum someone will never see, but to be so cruel and nasty for all to see is incredibly hurtful.
Probably spurred on by pure jealousy or someone who could only dream of being on her level.:fist:

...can you imagine posting a photo of something that you’ve done or an event you’ve been to etc...and feeling quite happy about it because it was something you thought of with fondness...and then getting comments after comment after comment of nasty comments...both of how you look and of the person you are...:sad:..

[Ammi]

...her dogs...:love:..

[Tony Montana]

Love Jesy, she was always my favourite member of LM.

[Tony Montana]

Holy **** that is horrific words to hear.

[LukeB]

...can you imagine posting a photo of something that you’ve done or an event you’ve been to etc...and feeling quite happy about it because it was something you thought of with fondness...and then getting comments after comment after comment of nasty comments...both of how you look and of the person you are...:sad:..

These days people make memes out of them and splash them all over facebook and twitter.They're just sad and pathetic.

[Amy Jade]

Chris is so good for her judging by this omg :love:

[Tony Montana]

Hopkins is vile.

[Ammi]

These days people make memes out of them and splash them all over facebook and twitter.They're just sad and pathetic.

...and the thing is when it’s all attached to her own Twitter etc...she can’t just walk away from it/switch it off, very easily...

[Ammi]

...I didn’t realise that Katie Hopkins had said cruel things about Jesy also...

[Denver]

Chris is so good for her judging by this omg :love:

So was Jordan I think, he still has so many nice things to say about her despite moving on

[Amy Jade]

So was Jordan I think, he still has so many nice things to say about her despite moving on

I think all of her exes have said she's a lovely girl, says a lot imo

[Ammi]

Chris is so good for her judging by this omg :love:

...oh I didn’t realise that she was with Chris Hughes, they’re both such lovely people...:lovedup:..

[Kazanne]

The Sain story is very sad , her poor parents, people really do need to stop and think

[Ammi]

...the poem for Sian...:lovedup:...so sad...

[Amy Jade]

...the poem for Sian...:lovedup:...so sad...

Really got me that, poor girl :(

[Ammi]

...it’s really sad for someone to feel as though ‘looking perfect’ is the only thing that’s acceptable for others to see...

[Ammi]

...the parts of her that she doesn’t like are a huge part of her strength that have helped her get to where she is...

[Tony Montana]

Her and Chris are such a great couple.

[Ammi]

...with or without makeup, straight or frizzed hair.../..she’s so beautiful...:lovedup:..

[Kazanne]

I think she looks better without so much make up, good taste in dogs,we have one of those,and with her hair shorter

[Ammi]

..it’s like she links and associates her XFactor success with being hurt...:sad:..

[Ammi]

...Jesy’s mom...:lovedup:...

[Ammi]

.....awwwwww, she’s a pretty incredible young lady...and I hope she’s growing to realise her beauty both inside and out...:love:..

[UserSince2005]

poor thing, it must be hard to have such thin skin in such a brutal industry. We are not all robots <3

[Daniel-X]

Really interesting watch and Jesy was incredibly brave to put herself out here doing this, I got so emotional when she visited Sian’s family. As for some of the comments in the thread you just have to smile and nod luv...

[Cherie]

No it’s not...what makes you think people dont read the comments on here ffs?

We used to have family members come on during BB, and a lot of housemates read the forums after they leave, pretty sure family members will look at the LI threads as well, it’s not any different to post abuse indirectly, I haven’t watched this, but heard an interview she did about it, she got horrendous abuse because she didn’t conform to the perceived norm of what a pop star would look like, most would have been throw away comments like those that were made on here over and over during the BB years, I hope her doing this will help raise awareness that words can really hurt no matter what age you are, I doubt it though

[Cherie]

...I guess for me, I would have to reason my dislike for someone...so that’s something I don’t find easy to understand...people generally do have a reason, even if it’s something that’s very specific to them and hard for someone else to understand or agree with...

People dislike people in real life in work and social situations, they learn to manage their dislike by avoiding them or not interacting with them, if I don't like a celeb I don't go running to their twitter account to tell them I hate them, there is little to understand for me apart from the fact they are emboldened to say what they like by having their identity hidden

[James]

I haven't seen this show, but social media and the Internet in general is a complete mess when it comes to people giving opinions.

When someone can be anonymous or even just unknown or Twitter or Instagram there's no adult responsibility or accountability. It basically turns people back into children and brings out their inner bully.

A lot of people who are active on social media can't handle different opinions to their own. I noticed yesterday the celebrity chef James Martin was trending on Twitter - he made some comment about political correctness - when you look at the comments in response he was getting all sorts of personal abuse said about him and sent to him.

With reality shows like X Factor there's many who take it too far in supporting or criticising contestants. Little Mix are lucky in the respect that they are one of the few acts to gain fame and fortune over the years from X Factor, so they have access to the media to get their story out. There are probably many other contestants who suffered through horrible comments made about them and disappeared from celebrity after 3-6 months and wouldn't be featured in the media.

Difference is people sent Jesy she should die on her social media accounts and she had no choice but to see them but if she saw stuff on the forum then she has a choice to see comments because she's looking herself up,it's different

as horrible as it is and i don't agree with comments about peoples looks etc, it would be better if people put these comments on a forum or a tweet that doesn't @ them than actually searching for their social media accounts and messaging them abuse. Gives them control on what they see because the only way they would see the nasty messages is if they search for themselves.

Both of these aren't great.

One is equivalent to an abusive letter sent to a person through their front door.

The other is equivalent to posting an abusive message about someone on a supermarket's community notice board, for hundreds or thousands of people that the person might know, to share and laugh at.

[Beso]

She's such a beautiful girl I'll never understand how anyone could call her the 'ugly one' honestly


:clap1:

[Beso]

...can you imagine posting a photo of something that you’ve done or an event you’ve been to etc...and feeling quite happy about it because it was something you thought of with fondness...and then getting comments after comment after comment of nasty comments...both of how you look and of the person you are...:sad:..

I don't need to imagine that.

[Beso]

...the parts of her that she doesn’t like are a huge part of her strength that have helped her get to where she is...

Her legs?

[Nicky91]

on twitter, facebook you got plenty of nasty attention seeking trolls out there


i can understand social media's being used and being very useful for promo work, for musicians, actors but yeah between every good person on there you also got disgusting hate trolls

same on YouTube, in the comments you got the positive comments and you got negative comments and you got horrible hate, thankfully these days YouTube's officials are moderating way more and giving permanent bans to some of those haters and/or trolls who spread negativity, racism, sexism

[Strictly Jake]

Not watched this yet I'm going to watch it shortly

I've always been a massive fan of Little mix they are all lovely girls and I always loved their personalities and they are so talented. So it's infuriates me that so many decided to attack jesys looks poor girl

But I want to applaud and thank jesy for making this and I hope quite a few more celebrities make documentarys like this because in this social media generation its needed

What it makes me think of is my 14 year old niece. I see her all the time she is like a little sister to me she always had a lot of confidence she had a really goofy personality which was great. She was always really athletic always liked her sports. But in the last couple of years I have seen that change in her. She is always looking at her phone, always she doesn't seem to look up anymore, along with a lot of high school kids, as I work at a high school I always see them all coming out of school all looking down at their phones tripping each other up and pushing past one another in the process. The amount of kids I have seen almost be run over due to looking at their phones is ridiculous

But back to my niece, when she comes to stay at ours she barely eats she seems glum she definitely doesn't seem to want to be active. Due to her eczema she gets quite bad outbreaks from time to time and is really self aware of it

But recently my sister told me she has been picked on by one of the lads in her year(I was shocked a lad would talk to a girl like that) she was told she had awful skin she was ugly she was fat.... She is one of the skinniest people I know and is a pretty girl

It made me want to go and find the guy and punch him in the face but then it made me think where has this guy learnt to do this, how many more people that age are like that, how many teenagers are being bullied and feel insecure on a daily basis

And with so much access to their phones how much are they seeing this on social media, its normal for them to see people being bullied on these platforms and it makes it trendy to be like that

And that scares me. Technology is great when used correctly but with stuff like fake filters on Snapchat and Facebook and Instagram making cyber bullying an easy hobby how much worse is it going to get its a scary thought

So hopefully this documentary will help people to think about the words they use to one another

It's certainly opened my eyes. I say things on here for instance I wouldn't say to any of you if I saw you face to face. I wouldn't say I'm a nasty person on here but it can be easy to say not very nice things to each other on platforms like this as you don't see the feelings of the person on the other side of the computer

I think as a forum we should take the lead in just being nice to each other it can be quite a nasty place sometimes

Anyway that's my essay over

[Cherie]

Not watched this yet I'm going to watch it shortly

I've always been a massive fan of Little mix they are all lovely girls and I always loved their personalities and they are so talented. So it's infuriates me that so many decided to attack jesys looks poor girl

But I want to applaud and thank jesy for making this and I hope quite a few more celebrities make documentarys like this because in this social media generation its needed

What it makes me think of is my 14 year old niece. I see her all the time she is like a little sister to me she always had a lot of confidence she had a really goofy personality which was great. She was always really athletic always liked her sports. But in the last couple of years I have seen that change in her. She is always looking at her phone, always she doesn't seem to look up anymore, along with a lot of high school kids, as I work at a high school I always see them all coming out of school all looking down at their phones tripping each other up and pushing past one another in the process. The amount of kids I have seen almost be run over due to looking at their phones is ridiculous

But back to my niece, when she comes to stay at ours she barely eats she seems glum she definitely doesn't seem to want to be active. Due to her eczema she gets quite bad outbreaks from time to time and is really self aware of it

But recently my sister told me she has been picked on by one of the lads in her year(I was shocked a lad would talk to a girl like that) she was told she had awful skin she was ugly she was fat.... She is one of the skinniest people I know and is a pretty girl

It made me want to go and find the guy and punch him in the face but then it made me think where has this guy learnt to do this, how many more people that age are like that, how many teenagers are being bullied and feel insecure on a daily basis

And with so much access to their phones how much are they seeing this on social media, its normal for them to see people being bullied on these platforms and it makes it trendy to be like that

And that scares me. Technology is great when used correctly but with stuff like fake filters on Snapchat and Facebook and Instagram making cyber bullying an easy hobby how much worse is it going to get its a scary thought

So hopefully this documentary will help people to think about the words they use to one another

It's certainly opened my eyes. I say things on here for instance I wouldn't say to any of you if I saw you face to face. I wouldn't say I'm a nasty person on here but it can be easy to say not very nice things to each other on platforms like this as you don't see the feelings of the person on the other side of the computer

I think as a forum we should take the lead in just being nice to each other it can be quite a nasty place sometimes

Anyway that's my essay over

great post Jake, we have all said and done stuff on here we are not proud of, but we can make that change, it's all in our own hands so to speak

MJ make that change is now playing in my head :fist:

[Strictly Jake]

I have just looked at it and had the fright of my life

The very school I work at, the very school my niece goes to, and is bullied at. Is the school where sian went. The school was absolutely devastated by it. The teachers I speak to on a regular basis that taught her they were brokenhearted. But it's still carrying on. My niece is being bullied at the same school as sian. I can't take it! I'm gonna talk to the teachers today, they are the life and philosophy teachers and one of them teaches my niece I'm gonna make damn sure this documentary gets shown which I'm sure it will be with the connections to sian

But Im at that part of the programme now and it made me shudder in my chair. I don't want my niece to go through the same thing or any other of her friends to. My niece was upset when sian passed because she had spoken to her a couple of times at school

[Nicky91]

Not watched this yet I'm going to watch it shortly

I've always been a massive fan of Little mix they are all lovely girls and I always loved their personalities and they are so talented. So it's infuriates me that so many decided to attack jesys looks poor girl

But I want to applaud and thank jesy for making this and I hope quite a few more celebrities make documentarys like this because in this social media generation its needed

What it makes me think of is my 14 year old niece. I see her all the time she is like a little sister to me she always had a lot of confidence she had a really goofy personality which was great. She was always really athletic always liked her sports. But in the last couple of years I have seen that change in her. She is always looking at her phone, always she doesn't seem to look up anymore, along with a lot of high school kids, as I work at a high school I always see them all coming out of school all looking down at their phones tripping each other up and pushing past one another in the process. The amount of kids I have seen almost be run over due to looking at their phones is ridiculous

But back to my niece, when she comes to stay at ours she barely eats she seems glum she definitely doesn't seem to want to be active. Due to her eczema she gets quite bad outbreaks from time to time and is really self aware of it

But recently my sister told me she has been picked on by one of the lads in her year(I was shocked a lad would talk to a girl like that) she was told she had awful skin she was ugly she was fat.... She is one of the skinniest people I know and is a pretty girl

It made me want to go and find the guy and punch him in the face but then it made me think where has this guy learnt to do this, how many more people that age are like that, how many teenagers are being bullied and feel insecure on a daily basis

And with so much access to their phones how much are they seeing this on social media, its normal for them to see people being bullied on these platforms and it makes it trendy to be like that

And that scares me. Technology is great when used correctly but with stuff like fake filters on Snapchat and Facebook and Instagram making cyber bullying an easy hobby how much worse is it going to get its a scary thought

So hopefully this documentary will help people to think about the words they use to one another

It's certainly opened my eyes. I say things on here for instance I wouldn't say to any of you if I saw you face to face. I wouldn't say I'm a nasty person on here but it can be easy to say not very nice things to each other on platforms like this as you don't see the feelings of the person on the other side of the computer

I think as a forum we should take the lead in just being nice to each other it can be quite a nasty place sometimes

Anyway that's my essay over

amen to that :love:

[rusticgal]

We used to have family members come on during BB, and a lot of housemates read the forums after they leave, pretty sure family members will look at the LI threads as well, it’s not any different to post abuse indirectly, I haven’t watched this, but heard an interview she did about it, she got horrendous abuse because she didn’t conform to the perceived norm of what a pop star would look like, most would have been throw away comments like those that were made on here over and over during the BB years, I hope her doing this will help raise awareness that words can really hurt no matter what age you are, I doubt it though

She will raise some awareness for making this programme...sadly it wont stop it.

[Swan]

She was ridiculously hot before the surgery, she really didn't need it. Not really interested in watching, but yeah hope she got the help she needed etc.

[Strictly Jake]

So I talked to the teacher about the documentary. She used to teach sian. She hadn't watched it yet but I said you need to show it in class she said yeah she can do and it's a good idea. Hopefully every school does the same

[Strictly Jake]

I still can't believe the impact this show had on me. A few unkind words we use and can easily forget about others can carry around with them for the rest of their lives and it can have a severe impact on them

I wasn't badly bullied in school but because I'm more feminine than other lads and hung around with girls(much better company) lads would trip me up slap me spit on me etc call me horrible words beginning with F and I wasnt gay.

I have a feeling that bullying at school has got worse now as there is more stuff for people to pick on

I really want to champion the anti bullying and online trolling thing and I'm not sure how I go about doing that

But Im going to just try setting a lead on here for starters and hope people can learn to be more kind but I think I need to set up some local club in my hometown like they had in the documentary

[Amy Jade]

Jake :love:

Hope you speaking out to a teacher can help your niece. I was heavily bullied in high school too, holds some really bad memories for me. Hope things turn around.

[MB.]

A lot of people who are active on social media can't handle different opinions to their own. I noticed yesterday the celebrity chef James Martin was trending on Twitter - he made some comment about political correctness - when you look at the comments in response he was getting all sorts of personal abuse said about him and sent to him.

I think James Martin going on an unhinged transphobic rant about a cartoon character and then accidentally coming out as an otter is a slightly different case to Jesy Nelson getting death threats for being a woman in the public eye

[Strictly Jake]

You'd be surprised, it's worse than how he looks, (Orange man, Shredded Wheat head) they actually say that he is sexually attracted to his own daughter.

I'd say the same thing to them then. People should be judged on the actions they take not on the way they look

Bullying shouldn't be allowed. I don't want this social media generation to get worse it scares me. I have young kids to think about I don't want them to grow up in a cruel social media generation

Which is why I'm begging as a forum we all come together to combat attacking people. Yeah it might not make much of a difference but think of the amount of members we have on here think how many guests view the forum. If we all changed our viewpoint and just take a second thought that could prove to be a very powerful thing...

Also remember how many people that are on here are still at school let's give them a positive platform to be on and as older members set them an example

[Beso]

To take alfs point up...

Trump will receive far more abuse than this normal young lassie.

It's all down to how the individual deals with it..

So i find her actions very extreme...


...but then you have a young head to take into consideration. ..and that for me is where the Internet fails. .it should never have been made available for all.

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[Strictly Jake]

To take alfs point up...

Trump will receive far more abuse than this normal young lassie.

It's all down to how the individual deals with it..

So i find her actions very extreme...


...but then you have a young head to take into consideration. ..and that for me is where the Internet fails. .it should never have been made available for all.

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Just wondering what extreme actions you are referring to. Because how do we know these politicians haven't tried the same and I guess the environment they have worked in and the job they have they are used to dealing with it and expect it

Jesy was a bar maid went on x factor straight into the media. Maybe that's where the problem lies people aren't prepared for it. But it's still no excuse for people to say those things about others and I don't understand why people do it?

[James]

I think James Martin going on an unhinged transphobic rant about a cartoon character and then accidentally coming out as an otter is a slightly different case to Jesy Nelson getting death threats for being a woman in the public eye

I thought it was about 'Fireman Sam' being dropped by a fire service.

But whatever it was they should have criticised his opinion rather than sending personal insults. Many of them would likely say they were appalled by the abuse Jesy from Little Mix got, but then people online don't live up to the standards they set for others.

[Beso]

Just wondering what extreme actions you are referring to. Because how do we know these politicians haven't tried the same and I guess the environment they have worked in and the job they have they are used to dealing with it and expect it

Jesy was a bar maid went on x factor straight into the media. Maybe that's where the problem lies people aren't prepared for it. But it's still no excuse for people to say those things about others and I don't understand why people do it?


By extreme I mean attempting suicide.


And I think she did that because her mind wasnt mature enought to just shake these insults off like trump or someone else elderly..


Let's say you post something you like. ...and all you get is abuse...Im sure even you and me at your age and my age have felt a little bit cut to the core...imagine how she felt with such a young head where life hasn't already tossed crap like that at her year after year..


Imo..the Internet or social media, fails because it allows strangers to actually have and air an opinion of you...directly to you...when that is at times, the last thing and also at times the first thing you are looking for...

Only difference is the age of the brain and how it works the scenarios it is looking for.:shrug:
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[Strictly Jake]

I thought it was about 'Fireman Sam' being dropped by a fire service.

But whatever it was they should have criticised his opinion rather than sending personal insults. Many of them would likely say they were appalled by the abuse Jesy from Little Mix got, but then people online don't live up to the standards they set for others.

The thing is it can be all to easy to say personal insults without even realising its personal. But the other person can be so badly affected. Its such a dangerous world online!

[Ammi]

I thought it was about 'Fireman Sam' being dropped by a fire service.

But whatever it was they should have criticised his opinion rather than sending personal insults. Many of them would likely say they were appalled by the abuse Jesy from Little Mix got, but then people online don't live up to the standards they set for others.

... not always living up to the standards being set for others isn’t an online thing though, it’s quite a common human characteristic...in fact it’s inherent in all of us to one degree or another...we scream hypocrite at others, while adjusting our own hypocrisies to fit our judgements, we are all hypocrites...but own behaviour will always or often feel a justification...humans have always done this...how Jesy was targeted and attacked though, is an entirely different thing...all of her beauty has been stripped from her ...(...in her own mind..)...because the voices telling her she’s beautiful have been drowned out by those telling her something quite cruelly different...words have always carried much weight and responsibility...and hypocrisy has always been a thing...

[Ammi]

...I’m so glad that your niece has such an uncle as you, Jake..:lovedup:...already that will have made such a difference to her life in so many great ways...

[Ammi]

...this is exactly why Jesy did this...to get people talking and thinking in this way...she really is an amazing young lady...:lovedup:...

[James]

... not always living up to the standards being set for others isn’t an online thing though, it’s quite a common human characteristic...in fact it’s inherent in all of us to one degree or another...we scream hypocrite at others, while adjusting our own hypocrisies to fit our judgements, we are all hypocrites...but own behaviour will always or often feel a justification...humans have always done this...how Jesy was targeted and attacked though, is an entirely different thing...all of her beauty has been stripped from her ...(...in her own mind..)...because the voices telling her she’s beautiful have been drowned out by those telling her something quite cruelly different...words have always carried much weight and responsibility...and hypocrisy has always been a thing...It's easier to be a hypocrite online though, because of selective responses to things.

[Cherie]

The most recent example that stands out for me is the suicide of two LI contestants one not too long before the recent series aired, and everyone agreed there should be more aftercare, but aftercare is only required because people are vicious, and then after Jordan became a hate figure, videos of him as Shrek appeared, mocking his appearance and people found that funny and didn't appear to get the correlation that there is only so much that aftercare can help with, we have to take personal responsibility for our own actions, not pass it off to ITV or whoever

[Kazanne]

The most recent example that stands out for me is the suicide of two LI contestants one not too long before the recent series aired, and everyone agreed there should be more aftercare, but aftercare is only required because people are vicious, and then after Jordan became a hate figure, videos of him as Shrek appeared, mocking his appearance and people found that funny and didn't appear to get the correlation that there is only so much that aftercare can help with, we have to take personal responsibility for our own actions, not pass it off to ITV or whoever

:clap1::clap1:voice of reason again Cherie.

[DouglasS]

The most recent example that stands out for me is the suicide of two LI contestants one not too long before the recent series aired, and everyone agreed there should be more aftercare, but aftercare is only required because people are vicious, and then after Jordan became a hate figure, videos of him as Shrek appeared, mocking his appearance and people found that funny and didn't appear to get the correlation that there is only so much that aftercare can help with, we have to take personal responsibility for our own actions, not pass it off to ITV or whoever
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Like I said hopefully some people who watched the documentary due to being little mix fans might now learn and grow from it.

You can have opinions but it’s the nasty personal comments, like those that happened to Jordan here and on Twitter as you said, as well as amongst some of the other men on love Island that is not acceptable, hopefully people will change after watching the impact it can have on people (who we don’t even know we just see an edit or newspaper articles..)

[Beso]

The most recent example that stands out for me is the suicide of two LI contestants one not too long before the recent series aired, and everyone agreed there should be more aftercare, but aftercare is only required because people are vicious, and then after Jordan became a hate figure, videos of him as Shrek appeared, mocking his appearance and people found that funny and didn't appear to get the correlation that there is only so much that aftercare can help with, we have to take personal responsibility for our own actions, not pass it off to ITV or whoever



I agree, beforecare should be ramped up to the max though...these people need to understand that even though they love themselves so much....not everyone will, and you got to be ready for the crushing feeling of nobody wanting you to become famous after the show

[Beso]

... not always living up to the standards being set for others isn’t an online thing though, it’s quite a common human characteristic...in fact it’s inherent in all of us to one degree or another...we scream hypocrite at others, while adjusting our own hypocrisies to fit our judgements, we are all hypocrites...but own behaviour will always or often feel a justification...humans have always done this...how Jesy was targeted and attacked though, is an entirely different thing...all of her beauty has been stripped from her ...(...in her own mind..)...because the voices telling her she’s beautiful have been drowned out by those telling her something quite cruelly different...words have always carried much weight and responsibility...and hypocrisy has always been a thing...


Well said Ammi. .:blush:

[rusticgal]

The most recent example that stands out for me is the suicide of two LI contestants one not too long before the recent series aired, and everyone agreed there should be more aftercare, but aftercare is only required because people are vicious, and then after Jordan became a hate figure, videos of him as Shrek appeared, mocking his appearance and people found that funny and didn't appear to get the correlation that there is only so much that aftercare can help with, we have to take personal responsibility for our own actions, not pass it off to ITV or whoever

Absolutely right Cherie....we are all responsible for what we say and do...:clap1:

[Beso]

Absolutely right Cherie....we are all responsible for what we say and do...:clap1:

We are indeed....but in these cases I think people should be held resonsible in some way for the hurt they have caused someone in a deliberately nasty way, they should be punished and banned completely from the Internet merely for deliberately trying to hurt someone whilst remaining faceless.

[Mitchell]

I think documentaries like this one are so incredibly important, so much support for her for doing it