View Full Version : Canada PM Justin Trudeau : "Black Faced" Aladdin Photo from 2001
arista
19-09-2019, 02:03 AM
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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wore brownface during
an 'Arabian Nights' school event in 2001,
a spokesperson for his party confirms
(Ref:CNN USA)
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Back in 2001
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49749851
[Speaking to journalists after the Time article was published, Mr Trudeau said
that he was dressed in the photo in an Aladdin costume at an Arabian Nights-themed gala.
He admitted that the photo was racist and said he recognised he "shouldn't have done it".]
What a racist.
He should probably resign. Don't think he will though, he likes his power too much.
Inexcusable, but it says a lot about Canada's political climate that this could easily lose him the upcoming election, when it wouldn't even be in the top five political scandals of the week if it were... a certain other world leader involved
Inexcusable, but it says a lot about Canada's political climate that this could easily lose him the upcoming election, when it wouldn't even be in the top five political scandals of the week if it were... a certain other world leader involvedIn one small post, you've took the heat of Trudeau and passed it on to Trump. Or do you mean Boris?
That's a good trick, just not good enough to get past me.
Point provenWhat is your point?
Your point seemed to be, "don't look here people, nothing to see here, get back on the Trump and Boris case."
I actually don't care that he attended a fancy dress party 18 years ago. It's just funny to see these identity politics pushers get a taste of their own medicine.
...He doesn’t in any way defend or excuse, he’s apologised unreservedly ...and that’s all he can do...
...He doesn’t in any way defend or excuse, he’s apologised unreservedly ...and that’s all he can do...Only because he's been caught out.
The reason this is a big deal is simple. Trudeau is the one that is pushing anti discrimination and equal rights. It's at the forefront of his policies, so it is the height of hypocrisy.
He could have managed the situation by publishing the photo himself and apologising .... but he didn't.
This isn't the first dodgy thing he has done either, he has shown himself to be corrupt. People that set themselves up as being perfect, fall the hardest.
...as MB said originally, it’s inexcusable and will most likely lose him the election...it’s not hypocrisy though if his integrity has travelled a journey in those years and if he has shown a balance of learning in his time in office, in his policies and his principles...I think this exceeds the statute of limitations in terms of hypocrisy, unless he had continued to display that lack of judgement...which does not appear to the world to be the case...
...I actually think it’s positive progression when someone who once black-faced, is now focusing on anti discrimination...
...I actually think it’s positive progression when someone who once black-faced, is now focusing on anti discrimination...Progression for who? Progression for him. He's certainly progressed in your mind from being a guy who Blacks up (Brown face as the BBC are calling it), to a guy who has done something positive for progression with his actions. In the space of a few hours.
I've never Brown faced in my life. You can praise me for being even more positive for progression than Trudeau if you like.
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 06:02 AM
How bizarre, right wing figures blackface as adults and there are excuses after excuses made for them.. however a progressive does as a student and for some reason it's inexcusable, why is this?
It doesn't make it any more wrong if the person who black faced up is now a progressive does it? By the same token someone on the right is not less wrong due to their inability to see acknowledge the offence caused.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 06:14 AM
18 years ago would make him 29 so he hasn’t got the ‘I was young’ excuse on his side, bizarre
UserSince2005
19-09-2019, 06:30 AM
the facade always falls on these liberal politicians who think they are holier than thou when really they are just ****ing nutcases.
As soon as i knew his father was once prime minster and he was born on this path rather than working hard for it, I realised this whole story line he had created for him being a new face him politics here to save the world was completely made up and as fake as he is.
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 06:34 AM
18 years ago would make him 29 so he hasn’t got the ‘I was young’ excuse on his side, bizarre
Is he that old? I didn't realise, he looks lovely *blush
Ok forget the age relation portion of my post, the point I am making there is still valid. It would be bizarre to dismiss the whole premise due to the age issue.
arista
19-09-2019, 06:47 AM
The reason this is a big deal is simple. Trudeau is the one that is pushing anti discrimination and equal rights. It's at the forefront of his policies, so it is the height of hypocrisy.
He could have managed the situation by publishing the photo himself and apologising .... but he didn't.
This isn't the first dodgy thing he has done either, he has shown himself to be corrupt. People that set themselves up as being perfect, fall the hardest.
Yes they are saying that alot on TV News USA
Cherie
19-09-2019, 07:07 AM
Is he that old? I didn't realise, he looks lovely *blush
Ok forget the age relation portion of my post, the point I am making there is still valid. It would be bizarre to dismiss the whole premise due to the age issue.
I don't know who these right wing adults are that black face, are they in the public eye and are they advising others on how not to discriminate is the point. Difficult to know who to trust when it comes to politics, are they in it for themselves and their ambition or do they really care
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 07:07 AM
The reason this is a big deal is simple. Trudeau is the one that is pushing anti discrimination and equal rights. It's at the forefront of his policies, so it is the height of hypocrisy.
He could have managed the situation by publishing the photo himself and apologising .... but he didn't.
This isn't the first dodgy thing he has done either, he has shown himself to be corrupt. People that set themselves up as being perfect, fall the hardest.
Why? This ties in with my post, why is it more wrong?
Nobody is perfect... this is the narrative that all progressives are holier than thou social justice warriors or pc snowflake virtue signallers!
So somehow when they cock up its 100 times worse than if you're some unapologetic alt right wing fascist who just doesn't care.
Thats the difference, we expect nothing more from them so we're not disappointed when it's found they're corrupt, and we should...everyone should be held to the same standard!
The picture was released by an American magazine by all accounts, The picture is almost certain to have been known of existing amongst Canadian journalists. So you have to wonder who's been covering it up? I imagine it was some people who's bank accounts got bigger.
Toy Soldier
19-09-2019, 07:15 AM
18 years ago. Come on ffs.
I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.
I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 07:22 AM
18 years ago. Come on ffs.
I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.
I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.
Diversity and inclusion was on the curriculum 18 years ago when my kids started school, it's not a new thing
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 07:38 AM
I don't know who these right wing adults are that black face, are they in the public eye and are they advising others on how not to discriminate is the point. Difficult to know who to trust when it comes to politics, are they in it for themselves and their ambition or do they really care
I'm thinking of the Jim Davidson 'chalky' character, the use of 'tradition' as an excuse in the UK.
Also views like these...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/ex-tory-councillor-under-fire-for-blackface-joke-about-david-lammy_uk_5c63e249e4b03de942972eaa/
Was he advising others how not to discriminate 18yrs ago, should his politics now make his past actions worse? As Ammi said is it not proof he's learnt and grown from his experience enough to now want to advise others today rather than scoff at the suggestion it's wrong or offensive?
i view this in exactly the same light as when Gove was snorting coke and then cracking down on it when in power. The difference is that Trudeau is the leader of the nation. If he makes out that he is beyond reproach (which he has) then he must face the consequences when he is found out.
There are easy ways that he could have dealt with it. When he was running for office, he could have said he was not perfect etc etc, but he didn't, he came across as someone that was the perfect model citizen that everyone else should aspire to being. That was his usp for getting the job. Hence why it is much more of an issue now when he has been found out.
As Alf said, he has never black faced, neither have I. Why should Trudeau be considered a better person because he has supposedly changed his view now.
A previous murderer is always considered a murderer no matter how many years ago they committed the crime or how many "good deeds" they have done since
joeysteele
19-09-2019, 08:06 AM
He has apologised, it was apparently at an Arabian nights event..
He went as Aladdin.
Yes, unwise, misguided and not sensitive to the issues then or now.
Odd it's surfaced now, however this is politics now.
I agree with Ammi, he's apologised unreservedly.
He can't do any more than that.
It's now for that Country's voters to decide how big an issue this is for them.
smudgie
19-09-2019, 08:11 AM
He has apologised, it was apparently at an Arabian nights event..
He went as Aladdin.
Yes, unwise, misguided and not sensitive to the issues then or now.
Odd it's surfaced now, however this is politics now.
I agree with Ammi, he's apologised unreservedly.
He can't do any more than that.
It's now for that Country's voters to decide how big an issue this is for them.
Says it all really.
It was a themed party, had he been walking down the high street or attending parliament like that then it would warrant the attention and a sacking.:shrug:
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 08:31 AM
i view this in exactly the same light as when Gove was snorting coke and then cracking down on it when in power. The difference is that Trudeau is the leader of the nation. If he makes out that he is beyond reproach (which he has) then he must face the consequences when he is found out.
There are easy ways that he could have dealt with it. When he was running for office, he could have said he was not perfect etc etc, but he didn't, he came across as someone that was the perfect model citizen that everyone else should aspire to being. That was his usp for getting the job. Hence why it is much more of an issue now when he has been found out.
As Alf said, he has never black faced, neither have I. Why should Trudeau be considered a better person because he has supposedly changed his view now.
A previous murderer is always considered a murderer no matter how many years ago they committed the crime or how many "good deeds" they have done since
Where, where has he said he is beyond reproach or perfect? It is one aspect in a career, try to maintain some perspective please.
Nobody is suggesting he is a 'better person' than yourself or alf...you constructed this pillar and placed him on it bots :/
He didn't murder anyone...if you can't separate murder from theatrial misappropriation then that's your issue.
Thankyou for your reference to Gove it's a perfect comparison, law and order are pivotal to conservative values are they not? Then why was Gove snorting coke 10yrs before he became a minister and cracking down on others that do...He still has his job doesn't he, where's the impact on his career? Where's the screams of hypocrisy, has he not compromised his personal, professional and political ethics by breaking the law, what standard do we hold him to now?
Kazanne
19-09-2019, 08:37 AM
I actually don't care that he attended a fancy dress party 18 years ago. It's just funny to see these identity politics pushers get a taste of their own medicine.
I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.:wavey:
Liam-
19-09-2019, 08:49 AM
I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.:wavey:
Jesus :facepalm:
Not even remotely similar to blackface and you know it
Kazanne
19-09-2019, 08:53 AM
Jesus :facepalm:
Not even remotely similar to blackface and you know it
That's how stupid all this is.
It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever
29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster
arista
19-09-2019, 09:11 AM
What a racist.
He should probably resign. Don't think he will though, he likes his power too much.
He is up for Election in a month.
Niamh.
19-09-2019, 09:22 AM
It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever
29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster
Yeah that's true enough
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 09:23 AM
It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever
29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster
Of course it would, that's how politics is now old pic.. old tweet.. how you eat a sandwich.
It's how you react that matters, if he'd have said 'meh' it seems that would have been more acceptable than issuing a full and frank apology :/
18 years ago. Come on ffs.
I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.
I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.But 18 years ago, people were saying "you can't do that in this day and age, it's 2001 for God sake"
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 09:55 AM
But 18 years ago, people were saying "you can't do that in this day and age, it's 2001 for God sake"
Well yes it was around that time that's exactly what they did say and that's why since then it's rarely seen :/
Hence the apology.
What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?
Cherie
19-09-2019, 10:18 AM
I'm thinking of the Jim Davidson 'chalky' character, the use of 'tradition' as an excuse in the UK.
Also views like these...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/ex-tory-councillor-under-fire-for-blackface-joke-about-david-lammy_uk_5c63e249e4b03de942972eaa/
Was he advising others how not to discriminate 18yrs ago, should his politics now make his past actions worse? As Ammi said is it not proof he's learnt and grown from his experience enough to now want to advise others today rather than scoff at the suggestion it's wrong or offensive?
Jim Davidson must be in his 70s and he is a 'comedian' and his Chalky act as you said was in the 70s :laugh: this guy is the same age as you and me more or less, he did this in 2001! he was brought up in a political household, you would think he would know better? would you have blackfaced 18 years ago?
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 10:21 AM
What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?
No
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 10:32 AM
Jim Davidson must be in his 70s and he is a 'comedian' and his Chalky act as you said was in the 70s :laugh: this guy is the same age as you and me more or less, he did this in 2001! he was brought up in a political household, you would think he would know better? would you have blackfaced 18 years ago?
Well he never blacked up for that character either, it's the attitude to blackface was reacting to.
As said it was a character performance and on the cusp of acceptability in relation to cultural appropriation so I'm not sure.
Was it insensitive? In hindsight yes, has he issued an apology? Yes, Do I think it's a reason to oust him from his position? No.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 10:41 AM
Well he never blacked up for that character either, it's the attitude to blackface was reacting to.
As said it was a character performance and on the cusp of acceptability in relation to cultural appropriation so I'm not sure.
Was it insensitive? In hindsight yes, has he issued an apology? Yes, Do I think it's a reason to oust him from his position? No.
I have never mentioned ousting him from his position, but hypocrite does spring to mind, I don't think the fact that it was '18 years ago' which seems to be the over riding rebuttal for this has any bearing whatsoever
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 10:53 AM
Aladdin wasnt even black though was he? He was Arabian
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 10:53 AM
I have never mentioned ousting him from his position, but hypocrite does spring to mind, I don't think the fact that it was '18 years ago' which seems to be the over riding rebuttal for this has any bearing whatsoever
I didn't say you had ...that is the feeling in the media this morning however.
Who is a hypocrite him or me? ... Social and cultural attitudes change, people can change too they mature, learn and grow in that time no matter how old they are or what political experience they've had. 18 years is almost a generation. * Diversity and inclusion lesson 1.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 11:01 AM
I didn't say you had ...that is the feeling in the media this morning however.
Who is a hypocrite him or me? ... Social and cultural attitudes change, people can change too they mature, learn and grow in that time no matter how old they are or what political experience they've had. 18 years is almost a generation. * Diversity and inclusion lesson 1.
we are talking about Trudeau Kizzy, not about you, he was teaching at time time, very odd behaviour
Kazanne
19-09-2019, 11:07 AM
What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?
Well cucumbers aren't very happy Alf :laugh::wavey:
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 11:10 AM
we are talking about Trudeau Kizzy, not about you, he was teaching at time time, very odd behaviour
You did ask me whether I would have done the same cherie so your accusation wasn't clear.
Yes he was, as he's said at the time he didn't think it racist. . Now he does.
I think we're just going round in circles now.
Liam-
19-09-2019, 11:11 AM
That's how stupid all this is.
No, your comparison was ludicrous, nobody has ever gotten offended by foundation, the attempt to try and simplify and excuse blackface is shocking.
Niamh.
19-09-2019, 11:14 AM
No, your comparison was ludicrous, nobody has ever gotten offended by by foundation, the attempt to try and simplify and excuse blackface is shocking.
It's the same tactic as "You won't even be able to look at a girl soon" to try and excuse sexual harassment. Liken it to something stupid to try and minimise
Oliver_W
19-09-2019, 11:26 AM
Who cares? He's cringey af and borderline embarrassing for Canada, but this incident shouldn't affect people's votes, it should come down to policy.
People who think he should resign are basically saying that if someone does one stupid thing, they should never work again. And saying that is pretty stupid.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 11:37 AM
You did ask me whether I would have done the same cherie so your accusation wasn't clear.
Yes he was, as he's said at the time he didn't think it racist. . Now he does.
I think we're just going round in circles now.
I asked you kizzy if you would have done the same thing 18 years ago, my point was you are a similar age to him, it wasn't acceptable in any shape or form 18 years ago, so not sure why people are trying to say it was and I am 100 per cent sure you wouldn't have so I don't get the defence, or that he was learning about the world and progressing :laugh:
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 11:41 AM
What about prince harry and his nazi uniform? How old was he? Is it still held against him?
Kizzy
19-09-2019, 11:43 AM
I asked you kizzy if you would have done the same thing 18 years ago, my point was you are a similar age to him, it wasn't acceptable in any shape or form 18 years ago, so not sure why people are trying to say it was and I am 100 per cent sure you wouldn't have so I don't get the defence, or that he was learning about the world and progressing :laugh:
Why are you asking me if you already know what I'd do? I'll leave you to talk to yourself then seeing as you're answering for me now :laugh: I've had my say on this anyway.
arista
19-09-2019, 12:01 PM
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more problems for the PM
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more problems for the PMJesus! What next, a video of him singing Day-O?
arista
19-09-2019, 02:13 PM
Jesus! What next, a video of him singing Day-O?
Yes could be.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 02:30 PM
Why are you asking me if you already know what I'd do? I'll leave you to talk to yourself then seeing as you're answering for me now :laugh: I've had my say on this anyway.
I answered for you as you didn’t answer my question
Cherie
19-09-2019, 02:31 PM
What about prince harry and his nazi uniform? How old was he? Is it still held against him?
20...
What about prince harry and his nazi uniform? How old was he? Is it still held against him?To be honest, I don't think there's many holding what Trudeau did against him. It's just more about his hypocrisy.
In a sane World, we know that all he did was attend a fancy dress party, in a sane World people don't apologise for doing that. But he did apologise, which tells us we're not living in a sane World.
and there is a video lool
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/692F/production/_108872962_c883eff2-9491-4da0-8560-33e52b6a1694.jpg
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is facing a third allegation of wearing racist attire when he was younger.
A video has emerged which shows him with "blackface" - only a day after he apologised for two similar episodes.
His Liberal Party has confirmed that the latest video is genuine and dates from the early 1990s.
The revelations come in the middle of campaigning for the 21 October election when Mr Trudeau hopes to win a second term.
What is in the latest video to emerge?
The footage, first obtained by Global News, shows Mr Trudeau in a white t-shirt and torn jeans.
His face and limbs appear to be covered in black make-up. He is seen laughing, throwing his hands in the air, sticking his tongue out and pulling faces.
Mr Trudeau would have been in his late teens or early 20s.
What about the other episodes?
On Wednesday, the embattled PM apologised for wearing "brownface" make-up at a gala at a private Vancouver school where he taught nearly two decades ago.
The 2001 yearbook picture obtained by Time Magazine shows Mr Trudeau, then aged 29, with skin-darkening make-up on his face and hands at the West Point Grey Academy.
Addressing the image, Mr Trudeau said he "deeply regretted" his actions and "should have known better".
The second image to emerge on Wednesday shows Mr Trudeau performing in a talent show as a student at high school.
He wore "blackface" and sang Day-O, a Jamaican folk song popularised by American civil rights activist Harry Belafonte.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49758613
It is starting to look like a bit of a fetish for him now. Who knows? Maybe he is a massive racist behind closed doors, it wouldn't surprise me if he is.
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 03:08 PM
To be honest, I don't think there's many holding what Trudeau did against him. It's just more about his hypocrisy.
In a sane World, we know that all he did was attend a fancy dress party, in a sane World people don't apologise for doing that. But he did apologise, which tells us we're not living in a sane World.
Rules are being rewritten these days. People are far more sensitive about their heritage.
I dont think this is a bad or good thing, it just is.
Look at actors, there was a scandal when non Asian actors played Asian roles and recently in london where there was no Jewish person playing in a Jewish musical.
We will need to accept the new rules. I have no problem with it tbh.
arista
19-09-2019, 03:11 PM
Day-O , sang by him
Shocker
Tom4784
19-09-2019, 03:29 PM
Hmm, I think the important part of this is that he apologised and he's pretty much shown through his policies and his term that he's very much an ally of diversity. If these photos still reflected who he is today then he should be hung out and left to dry for it but I don't think it does.
I don't see the point of dragging someone over the coals for something they did 20+ years ago IF they've shown they've changed and grown. Hopefully he can make amends for the past and what is an obviously well timed attack from the right and their constant faux outrage will fall flat. If he was still that same person then drag away but I don't think that's the case.
arista
19-09-2019, 05:08 PM
Hmm, I think the important part of this is that he apologised and he's pretty much shown through his policies and his term that he's very much an ally of diversity. If these photos still reflected who he is today then he should be hung out and left to dry for it but I don't think it does.
I don't see the point of dragging someone over the coals for something they did 20+ years ago IF they've shown they've changed and grown. Hopefully he can make amends for the past and what is an obviously well timed attack from the right and their constant faux outrage will fall flat. If he was still that same person then drag away but I don't think that's the case.
But in his case he is so against Racism, now
and its a Mega Topic in the Election Battle
on right now in Canada.
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 05:11 PM
But in his case he is so against Racism, now
and its a Mega Topic in the Election Battle
on right now in Canada.
He's grown as a PERSON
Unlike some
Well done Justin
He's grown as a PERSON
Unlike some
Well done JustinHe's KKK. It's all Eyes Wide Shut. Listen to Kubrick, he knew the score.
Tom4784
19-09-2019, 05:35 PM
But in his case he is so against Racism, now
and its a Mega Topic in the Election Battle
on right now in Canada.
You see Arista, there's this thing called personal growth and it allows us to change over time as we grow physically, emotionally and mentally as we deal with different obstacles and situations in life.
Unless there's evidence proving that he's still the idiot he was when he took these photos then this is nothing more than an attack and a hypocritical amount of faux outrage on the part of the right
Twosugars
19-09-2019, 05:51 PM
He's KKK. It's all Eyes Wide Shut. Listen to Kubrick, he knew the score.
Is it you or the strong spirit Arista mentioned talking?
You see Arista, there's this thing called personal growth and it allows us to change over time as we grow physically, emotionally and mentally as we deal with different obstacles and situations in life.
Unless there's evidence proving that he's still the idiot he was when he took these photos then this is nothing more than an attack and a hypocritical amount of faux outrage on the part of the rightTranslated. "It's all the Rights (whoever they are) fault that Trudeau decided to Black up."
I thought it might be.
arista
19-09-2019, 06:52 PM
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Tom4784
19-09-2019, 06:56 PM
Translated. "It's all the Rights (whoever they are) fault that Trudeau decided to Black up."
I thought it might be.
Brush up on your reading comprehension, Alf.
Cherie
19-09-2019, 07:41 PM
I guess Jim Davidson had some personal growth as well, given he no longer uses his Chalky gags
Trudeau is now saying he can't remember how many times he did blackface, that implies he did it a lot. In a political family that's quite an admission
arista
19-09-2019, 07:53 PM
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Kizzy
19-09-2019, 08:12 PM
I guess Jim Davidson had some personal growth as well, given he no longer uses his Chalky gags
Hes unapologetic about that, he's also homophobic and an Al round thoroughly horrible bloke.
DouglasS
19-09-2019, 09:09 PM
I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.:wavey:
I agree, most people in the past do not know that black face is a thing? I had never heard of it until about 5 years ago, I doubt very many people knew of it in 2002? Everything people have done in the past is racist/some form of ist now. When in reality people are just unaware of these rules that have come of light over the past decade, no harm is usually ever meant
The black and white minstrel show was cancelled in 1978 because it was seen as racist and offensive .... 1978
From wikipedia
The show's premise began to be seen as offensive and racist on account of its portrayal of blacked-up characters behaving in a stereotypical manner. After the murder in Alabama in 1963 of 35-year-old white postal worker William Lewis Moore, who was on a protest march against segregation in the American South, the satirical show That Was the Week That Was did a sketch in which Millicent Martin dressed as Uncle Sam and sang a parody of I Wanna Go Back to Mississippi ("Where the scent of blossom kissed the evening breeze / Where the Mississippi mud / Seems to mingle with the blood / Of the <censored> that are hanging from the branches of the trees[8]) accompanied by minstrel singers in blackface ("... we hate all the <censored> and the Catholics and the Jews / Where we welcome any man / Who is strong and white and belongs to the Ku Klux Klan"), parodying the Black and White Minstrels supposed trivialising of southern U.S. racism.[9][10]
A petition against the show was received by the BBC from the Campaign Against Racial Discrimination in 1967.[11] In 1969, due to continuing accusations of racism, Music Music Music, a spin-off series in which the minstrels appeared without their blackface make-up, replaced The Black and White Minstrel Show. However after one series, The Black and White Minstrel Show returned.
Since its cancellation in 1978, The Black and White Minstrel Show has come to be seen widely as an embarrassment, despite its huge popularity at the time.[12][13]
GiRTh
19-09-2019, 10:37 PM
The black and white minstrel show was cancelled in 1978 because it was seen as racist and offensive .... 1978
From wikipedia
The show's premise began to be seen as offensive and racist on account of its portrayal of blacked-up characters behaving in a stereotypical manner. After the murder in Alabama in 1963 of 35-year-old white postal worker William Lewis Moore, who was on a protest march against segregation in the American South, the satirical show That Was the Week That Was did a sketch in which Millicent Martin dressed as Uncle Sam and sang a parody of I Wanna Go Back to Mississippi ("Where the scent of blossom kissed the evening breeze / Where the Mississippi mud / Seems to mingle with the blood / Of the <censored> that are hanging from the branches of the trees[8]) accompanied by minstrel singers in blackface ("... we hate all the <censored> and the Catholics and the Jews / Where we welcome any man / Who is strong and white and belongs to the Ku Klux Klan"), parodying the Black and White Minstrels supposed trivialising of southern U.S. racism.[9][10]
A petition against the show was received by the BBC from the Campaign Against Racial Discrimination in 1967.[11] In 1969, due to continuing accusations of racism, Music Music Music, a spin-off series in which the minstrels appeared without their blackface make-up, replaced The Black and White Minstrel Show. However after one series, The Black and White Minstrel Show returned.
Since its cancellation in 1978, The Black and White Minstrel Show has come to be seen widely as an embarrassment, despite its huge popularity at the time.[12][13]:thumbs:
I can definitely remember repeats being shown in the mid eighties but the show was cancelled all the way back in 1978. Its a thought for all those who say this is some kind of new phenomenon The show was still popular when it was cancelled so good that they didnt care how much money it made, it had to go anyway.
Oliver_W
20-09-2019, 11:09 AM
Why are the pictures in black and white? They had colour photos even back in the early 2000s...
Vicky.
20-09-2019, 11:14 AM
The only time I would hold something like this against someone really, is if in the 20 year timegap they have not changed.
Mind I have to say, I find Trudeau to be..just as smarmy and full of bull as most other politicans tbh, I don't really get his almost cultlike following. But it doesn't matter to me really, given am not Canadian :laugh:
He didn't look anything like Aladdin either.
Twosugars
20-09-2019, 12:56 PM
He didn't look anything like Aladdin either.
I said that. Aladdin wasnt black was he
Tom4784
20-09-2019, 01:31 PM
Trudeau is now saying he can't remember how many times he did blackface, that implies he did it a lot. In a political family that's quite an admission
Yeesh. Well I hope he's learned from those days. It's not looking good for him though.
A person can only apologise for the past and hope they grow from it, if there's any evidence of relatively recent racial actions then I hope they drag him out of office, if not, I hope he gets the chance to show that he's changed.
Cherie
20-09-2019, 01:58 PM
I said that. Aladdin wasnt black was he
That makes it even worse then?
usually, if people have a drastic change in opinion it is associated with a life changing moment. Something that the individual can point to as changing their life forever. i haven't heard this from Trudeau so i remain very skeptical about him. I think he is a family generated political figure and i trust those types the least.
Kizzy
20-09-2019, 02:13 PM
I'm only surprised these pics haven't surfaced before now.. if it were a genuine reason for the expose and it was someone who had found them and become genuinely upset/ offended/ annoyed... but it isn't, it's political point scoring and electioneering.
One instance then ok, error of judgement but 2,3?
He did hI'm self no favours leaving the issue dormant, should've raisled and confronted it himself head on.
Twosugars
20-09-2019, 03:22 PM
That makes it even worse then?
Hard to tell. Maybe he didn't know or maybe he did but fancied blacking up. We will never know.
I'd like to see that in context, how popular blacking up was at the time for that demographic and in similar circumstances.
I said that. Aladdin wasnt black was heI thought he'd gone to the fancy dress party as Papa Lazaru.
Cherie
20-09-2019, 03:29 PM
Hard to tell. Maybe he didn't know or maybe he did but fancied blacking up. We will never know.
I'd like to see that in context, how popular blacking up was at the time for that demographic and in similar circumstances.
Really? 29, from a political household, I think it's really stretching it
My eldest started school in 2002 and we were summoned because he referred to one of his friends as having brown skin and a teacher overheard, so yeah I'm struggling with this one.
Side note, they are still friends 18 years later :love:
Twosugars
20-09-2019, 03:33 PM
Really? 29, from a political household, I think it's really stretching it
My eldest started school in 2002 and we were summoned because he referred to one of his friends as having brown skin and a teacher overheard, so yeah I'm struggling with this one.
Side note, they are still friends 18 years later :love:
You misunderstood.
I meant maybe he didnt know Aladdin wasn't black. Americans are not great with general education
Twosugars
20-09-2019, 03:35 PM
I thought he'd gone to the fancy dress party as Papa Lazaru.
My least favourite character from the show
Do you reckon the reaction to this would be the same or different if it had been Trump? Exact same scenario but Trump instead of Trudeau.
I ask that because David Lammey is usually one of the most vocal on Twitter with this kind of story, but he hasn't tweeted once about it yet. This is the man who thinks raising money on Comic Relief is racist. It's a mystery why he hasn't commented yet.
Twosugars
20-09-2019, 04:55 PM
Do you reckon the reaction to this would be the same or different if it had been Trump? Exact same scenario but Trump instead of Trudeau.
I ask that because David Lammey is usually one of the most vocal on Twitter with this kind of story, but he hasn't tweeted once about it yet. This is the man who thinks raising money on Comic Relief is racist. It's a mystery why he hasn't commented yet.
Of course the reaction would be different
Oliver_W
20-09-2019, 05:11 PM
You misunderstood.
I meant maybe he didnt know Aladdin wasn't black. Americans are not great with general education
He's Canadian, not American!
Twosugars
20-09-2019, 05:22 PM
He's Canadian, not American!
I meant the continent :rolleyes:
Tom4784
20-09-2019, 10:15 PM
Of course the reaction would be different
Yup, Trump is constantly racist, hell, he was condemned by Congress for his racist attacks on members of congress just a few months ago. He's a proven racist already so it's quite different to someone who may have been racist in the past but has seemingly turned it around and has learned from their mistakes.
If Trudeau's administration was known for it's blatant racism like Trump's is then I would be more critical. I believe people can let go of their hate, I've known people that would have beat the **** out of someone if they knew they were gay a decade or two ago go to Pride and be an out and out ally for the LGBT in the present. Same with racism, the area I live in is very racist but I've seen racists change their minds on their position and grow as well.
With time and experience, people can change their ways and given the fact that Trudeau has pretty much had diversity and acceptance at the forefront on his administration, I'd be willing to bet he learned the lessons he needed to learn unless something more recent comes out.
Trump has never learned, He started off his campaign by calling Mexicans rapists and he hasn't stopped stirring up racial tension ever since.
In one small post, you've took the heat of Trudeau and passed it on to Trump. Or do you mean Boris?
That's a good trick, just not good enough to get past me.
Do you reckon the reaction to this would be the same or different if it had been Trump? Exact same scenario but Trump instead of Trudeau.
So about that...
For the record, the only person I've seen defending or minimising the issue of blackface as you seem to be implying is a member in this thread who thinks blackface is akin to "wearing dark foundation". I haven't seen anyone else, David Lammy or otherwise, react to Trudeau doing blackface as if it's a non-issue, because Trudeau's an idiot and is being rightfully slammed for this. The comparison I made was because, at the time of posting, the Trudeau story was the top story on BBC News, while Trump covering up his attempt to bribe the Ukrainian president into investigating Joe Biden's son was like... ten stories down. It was nice to briefly see a glimpse of a country with a normal political news cycle where "Prime Minister did blackface so many times he's literally lost count", as opposed to the one we live in every other day, in which "Trump is a corrupt liar" is the kind of headline we've become so used to that it was below a story about the new J-Lo film.
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