Trump's promise to foreign leader - trouble ahead

[bots]

Donald Trump’s promise to a foreign leader so troubled an official in the US intelligence community that it prompted the person to file a whistleblower complaint, the Washington Post reported on Wednesday.

The Post, which cited two former officials familiar with the matter, said it was not immediately clear which foreign leader Trump was speaking with or what he pledged to deliver. The communication was a phone call, one former official said, according to the Post.

The intelligence community inspector general, Michael Atkinson, determined that the complaint was credible and troubling enough to be considered a matter of “urgent concern”, a legal threshold that requires notification of congressional oversight committees, the Post said.

But the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, has refused to share details about the complaint with lawmakers, the paper reported. Maguire has defended his refusal by asserting that the subject of the complaint is beyond his jurisdiction, it said.

Adam Schiff, the Democratic chair of the House intelligence committee, has sought to compel US intelligence officials to disclose the full details of the whistleblower complaint to Congress.

Atkinson is scheduled to appear at a closed hearing of the committee on Thursday morning and Maguire has agreed to testify before the panel in open session a week later, Schiff said in a statement.

“The IC IG determined that this complaint is both credible and urgent, and that it should be transmitted to Congress under the clear letter of the law. The committee places the highest importance on the protection of whistleblowers and their complaints to Congress,” the statement said.

The White House did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Representatives of the office of the director of national intelligence could not be reached.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/sep/18/trump-foreign-leader-promise-whistleblower

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I think this is going to be HUGE

[UserSince2005]

The king can do as he wishes.

[Cherie]

Putin?

[bots]

Putin?

3 news sources are saying it was Putin. It will be interesting to see what efforts are made by the whitehouse to stop it going public

[Cherie]

3 news sources are saying it was Putin. It will be interesting to see what efforts are made by the whitehouse to stop it going public

how did I guess that one right :bored:

[MTVN]

Meh how many times have we heard stories like this in the last couple of years only for nothing to come of them

There's literally nothing for us to go on here in any case

[Kizzy]

Either it's the recent failed attempt to aquire Greenland and the reasoning behind that.
Or, it's the backing hes giving Israel to carry out further killings there.
Or, it's backing Saudi Arabia in retaliation with Iran.
Or, it's brexit related and we become a US European base.

Or..all of the above.

[GiRTh]

Meh how many times have we heard stories like this in the last couple of years only for nothing to come of them

There's literally nothing for us to go on here in any caseIts not the same as before. This is not someone going to the press and leaking juicy information. In this instance, someone heard Donnie say something in the Oval office and thought it so bad that they went thru the official channels to complain. The official channels then agreed the information was sensitive enough to follow up and is now looking into the issue. Normally this would be huge news but I also think not much will come of it

[bots]

Its not the same as before. This is not someone going to the press and leaking juicy information. In this instance, someone heard Donnie say something in the Oval office and thought it so bad that they went thru the official channels to complain. The official channels then agreed the information was sensitive enough to follow up and is now looking into the issue. Normally this would be huge news but I also think not much will come of it

I think this is very bad for Trump. I've heard something which i won't mention unless its made generally known, but it is just one part of several issues notified. and that one issue alone will be devastating

[Twosugars]

I think this is very bad for Trump. I've heard something which i won't mention unless its made generally known, but it is just one part of several issues notified. and that one issue alone will be devastating

Whisper it in my ear

[Kizzy]

I think this is very bad for Trump. I've heard something which i won't mention unless its made generally known, but it is just one part of several issues notified. and that one issue alone will be devastating

Since when were you in trumps inner circle? :suspect:

[bots]

Since when were you in trumps inner circle? :suspect:

i'm not :laugh: but i have sources .... sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, so i prefer to keep quiet until more information is out there

[GiRTh]

CNN are saying the country is Ukraine and the matter may be regarding Joe Bidens son.

[bots]

CNN are saying the country is Ukraine and the matter may be regarding Joe Bidens son.

that's close to what i heard and an offer of millions in US aid

[Twosugars]

Only the orange moron could be so stupid
His antics make Nixon look good in comparison

[GiRTh]

Trump has now admitted he asked a foreign leader to investigate Biden. Under normal circumstance this would be it for Donnie but note, not one Republican law maker has made any kind of comment.

[bots]

i've now heard some rumours of whats coming out from the remainder of the whistleblower comments and it gets even better :laugh: lets see what the next 24 hours brings

[Alf]

Trump has now admitted he asked a foreign leader to investigate Biden. Under normal circumstance this would be it for Donnie but note, not one Republican law maker has made any kind of comment.Why? What has Biden done to be investigated for?

[Beso]

Armed police and armed response van sitting outside the Saudi embassy in Mayfair today...I am assuming that's not normal.

[Beso]

Why? What has Biden done to be investigated for?

He likes the smell of children.

[GiRTh]

Why? What has Biden done to be investigated for?Not much.

[Twosugars]

Impeach the orange moron, enough of this law breaking

[GiRTh]

Now Trump is saying he didnt discuss Ukraine. Yesterday one thing, today something else. We need the transcript of the phone call but will congress have the votes to get it.

[Tom4784]

I think we've gotten to that point in which Donald Trump breaking the law is so expected that it's difficult for it to gain traction in the press. With so many Republicans deciding that power is more important than integrity, I don't think anything can happen to Trump unless he loses the next election which given Moscow Mitch's efforts to strike down any bills or attempts to ensure that the same interference that happened in 2016 doesn't happen again, he'll probably win.

[Beso]

Donald must have some serious shizzle on some serious people....no wonder he built that hotel....is he the first prophet the usa has had as president?

[Tom4784]

Donald must have some serious shizzle on some serious people....no wonder he built that hotel....is he the first prophet the usa has had as president?

I don't think he has **** on anyone, he's been enabled by a republican party that are benefitting from his insanity. He's a mentally inept man that can take all the blame while the Republicans can do what they want until 2020.

[Beso]

I don't think he has **** on anyone, he's been enabled by a republican party that are benefitting from his insanity. He's a mentally inept man that can take all the blame while the Republicans can do what they want until 2020.

Much like the last presidency then....only that, imo was more sleezier

[GiRTh]

He aint got nothing on no one. There are Republicans who won in districts that Trump won by a big margin in 2016 and dont want to upset the Presidents base - The Preisidents base not theirs. The others are all just frightened of getting a mean tweet. I'm not joking. We can all trivialize Donnies use of twitter but his attacks have definitely frightened a few from speaking out. So sad the the late John McCain was the only one who was persistently prepared to stand up to Trump. None of this current lot have got a set of bollox between them

[Beso]

He aint got nothing on no one. There are Republicans who won in districts that Trump won by a big margin in 2016 and dont want to upset the Presidents base - The Preisidents base not theirs. The others are all just frightened of getting a mean tweet. I'm not joking. We can all trivialize Donnies use of twitter but his attacks have definitely frightened a few from speaking out. So sad the the late John McCain was the only one who was persistently prepared to stand up to Trump. None of this current lot have got a set of bollox between them


I'm serious...just think for a moment about the length of time trump has had his hotels...decades before any presidency talk...imagine if he had surveylance set up...on certain people who are around now..why wouldn't you fgs?

[GiRTh]

I'm serious...just think for a moment about the length of time trump has had his hotels...decades before any presidency talk...imagine if he had surveylance set up...on certain people who are around now..why wouldn't you fgs?Most of those Hotels and Casinos went bust. I doubt the man who is such an inept business man that he can bankrupt four casinos is playing that kind of three D Chess.

[Twosugars]

I'm serious...just think for a moment about the length of time trump has had his hotels...decades before any presidency talk...imagine if he had surveylance set up...on certain people who are around now..why wouldn't you fgs?

You mean like the Russians had surveillance on his golden showers with prozzies in that Moscow hotel?
No wonder he's up Putin's rectum all the time :laugh:

[Beso]

Most of those Hotels and Casinos went bust. I doubt the man who is such an inept business man that he can bankrupt four casinos is playing that kind of three D Chess.

Closed down...purpose served you mean:shrug:...I doubt you can prove that time has shown that to be false.:hee:

[Beso]

You mean like the Russians had surveillance on his golden showers with prozzies in that Moscow hotel?
No wonder he's up Putin's rectum all the time :laugh:

Yep...but I'm glad puting in putin is the receiver this time. .makes me feel safe.

[GiRTh]

Closed down...purpose served you mean:shrug:...I doubt you can prove that time has shown that to be false.:hee:Huh??? :conf:

Dont need to prove anything. They casinos have been registered as insolvent. :shrug:

[Beso]

Huh??? :conf:

Dont need to prove anything. They casinos have been registered as insolvent. :shrug:


Well the casinos would 100 percent have had cameras in filming all the guests..high powered ones at times I'm sure..imagine if the hotels were also filming the goings on. .imagine if they were and trump had all the evidence. on whoever is relevant enough to be not voting against him in Congress...if of course this fantasy could be possible.




Donald played a very long game to get to where he is if you ask me....and he's still there...which furthers my suspicions, my suspicions of others.

[Twosugars]

Rumours Pelosi is about to announce impeachment

[arista]

Trump will Release Ukraine Transcript tomorrow,


FoxNewsHD and CNN HD USA

[arista]

Rumours Pelosi is about to announce impeachment


She is Speaking Live
at the Atlantic Festival.


Also
Pelosi has some news at 5PM USA time

[GiRTh]

Pelosi has finally announced Impeachment inquiries. About friggin time. Pelosis insistence on playing 'tactics' is one reason why I have few issues with Trump winning again next year. What the hell has she been waiting for? The Dems are truly clueless. Pelosi needs to round up her constituents and tell them that even though their lives are worse under Trump her 'tactics' will be ultimately be successful sometime down the line, when the time is right and see how they react. IF this was the Republicans they'd have started impeachment proceedings as soon as the redacted Mueller report was completed.

[arista]

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[bots]

The GoP have also voted for an enquiry, which is a big turning point. The whistleblower is going to testify to congress this week. I think they all know the full nature of the incidents reported by the whistleblower now and that's tipped it all over to impeachment.

[arista]

She is Live Now


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1176567475913265154/CSQrSqVL?format=jpg&name=small

[GiRTh]

Just announced the inquiry. :dance:

They're gonna crawl up Donnies ass again. He's gonna lose it on twitter :thumbs:

[arista]

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[Alf]

Is this one gonna turn out to be a hoax aswell?

You have to admit, they've got form.

[GiRTh]

Is this one gonna turn out to be a hoax aswell?

You have to admit, they've got form.Surely when you view this you must realise there is something here. The Whistle blower isnt just complaining about the phone call, they're saying its a number of incidents.

Trumps already tweeting :laugh:

[Kizzy]

And him confessing to doing it...fake news? :laugh:

[Alf]

Surely when you view this you must realise there is something here. The Whistle blower isnt just complaining about the phone call, they're saying its a number of incidents.

Trumps already tweeting :laugh:My first thought is always, are they trying to distract us from another story?

Anything happening with this Epstein stuff?

[GiRTh]

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The United Nations? He was there for 14 minutes.

Gotta love this guy. He'll say anything. :laugh:

[GiRTh]

My first thought is always, are they trying to distract us from another story?

Anything happening with this Epstein stuff?YEah Prince Andrew is a perv.

[Kizzy]

He thinks he deserves a Nobel prize.... :joker: :joker:

[Alf]

He thinks he deserves a Nobel prize.... :joker: :joker:He's got no chance, Greta is winning that.

[Alf]

The RNC is now calling on Biden to release transcripts of calls he had with Ukrainian and Chinese leaders while he served as Vice President.

[GiRTh]

The RNC is now calling on Biden to release transcripts of calls he had with Ukrainian and Chinese leaders while he served as Vice President.Has there been a complaint? If not then there's no need. Are they asking for the sake of asking? :shrug:

[Alf]

Jack Posobiec says he's read the transcript 5 times and he just feels sorry for people who think this is gonna hurt Trump.

[Twosugars]

Lock him up! :hee:

[Alf]

He say's

"I can't wait until this transcript drops, you aren't going to believe what Trump actually asked about, almost everything the media claimed is false, this will be the top story of the day"

[The Slim Reaper]

It's a memo not a transcript. They had a 30 minute conversation and a couple of pages doesn't cover that, so they haven't released it. Even so, this is pretty damning.

[Alf]

Others that have seen it are saying "it's nothing you haven't heard or seen from him before."

[Alf]

Is this one gonna turn out to be a hoax aswell?

You have to admit, they've got form.This post might just age well.

[The Slim Reaper]

Others that have seen it are saying "it's nothing you haven't heard or seen from him before."

I don't doubt that, but it doesn't make it legal. There is under half the conversation in this memo, and he still asks a foreign leader to look into his political opponents son numerous times.

The fact he uses the attorney general (who works for Americans, not the president) to do this for him is also illegal.

The whistleblowers report was about far more than just the phone call, and we already know that trump has ordered these things to be altered before they're released.

This is the bit they were happy to show us, and it's not good, so the rest of everything should be interesting.

[arista]

Lock him up! :hee:


They Never Locked Up Perv Bill Clinton??????????????????

[GiRTh]

Others that have seen it are saying "it's nothing you haven't heard or seen from him before."Thats always his defense but the two pages released are damning enough TBh. Just one day after the Mueller testimony Trumps dipping into meddling again.

The full complaint needs to be released to congress but I still think the Republican congress wont have the Kahunas to impeach.

[Twosugars]

They Never Locked Up Perv Bill Clinton??????????????????

Having your dick sucked by an intern is hardly the same as coercing a foreign country to find dirty laundry of your political opponent :laugh:

[Twosugars]

Others that have seen it are saying "it's nothing you haven't heard or seen from him before."

True he's been always a sleazy, dirty bully.

Still, this must stop

Lock'im up

[The Slim Reaper]

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[bots]

I don't doubt that, but it doesn't make it legal. There is under half the conversation in this memo, and he still asks a foreign leader to look into his political opponents son numerous times.

The fact he uses the attorney general (who works for Americans, not the president) to do this for him is also illegal.

The whistleblowers report was about far more than just the phone call, and we already know that trump has ordered these things to be altered before they're released.

This is the bit they were happy to show us, and it's not good, so the rest of everything should be interesting.

it gets even better, because the DoJ headed by Barr, stopped the whistle blower report going to congress, so he stopped the report into the conversation where he was personally named

[arista]

The Senate is Full of Republicans
they are Backing Trump

[arista]

Having your dick sucked by an intern is hardly the same as coercing a foreign country to find dirty laundry of your political opponent :laugh:



It was a Outrage

[The Slim Reaper]

it gets even better, because the DoJ headed by Barr, stopped the whistle blower report going to congress, so he stopped the report into the conversation where he was personally named

The latest: the white house meant to circulate all the talking points to be used by republicans to deal with this mess. The only problem? they sent it to the dems!

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[Twosugars]

It was a Outrage

Monica was happy to oblige and defended him. That makes it a marital problem

[The Slim Reaper]

Monica was happy to oblige and defended him. That makes it a marital problem

They have no problem with their American boyfriend paying off pornstars whilst his wife was home nursing their 3mth old son.

[GiRTh]

The latest: the white house meant to circulate all the talking points to be used by republicans to deal with this mess. The only problem? they sent it to the dems!

1176885414508081152:laugh:

[arista]

Trump Is live on CNNHD
with his mate The Ukraine Leader
NYC.

[Twosugars]

They have no problem with their American boyfriend paying off pornstars whilst his wife was home nursing their 3mth old son.

Well spotted TSR

Why are you not getting outraged about that Arista?

[GiRTh]

1176897150019485696This is the biggest problem. There are far too many spineless weasels like Lindsey Graham around. He wanted Clinton impeached in 1999 here he is giving a gave a speech in support, today he says it would be 'insane' to impeach over this phone call made one day after the Mueller testimony.

[Beso]

I think trump is pushing the usa defences into places more strategic..North Korea, Ukraine, and 100 percent Poland..

Im worried the world's population is to high.

[bots]

The senate has voted to overturn his state of emergency at the border, so he has just lost his wall funding :joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

The senate has voted to overturn his state of emergency at the border, so he has just lost his wall funding :joker:

He can veto it, and keep the funding in place. They need to get to 60 or 66 (can't remember which) to make it veto-proof.

[Twosugars]

I think trump is pushing the usa defences into places more strategic..North Korea, Ukraine, and 100 percent Poland..

Im worried the world's population is to high.

The only country you're right about is Poland who always wanted American bases, long before trump.
Insurance policy against russian attack

[Beso]

The only country you're right about is Poland who always wanted American bases, long before trump.
Insurance policy against russian attack

Russian attack....ooo..


So trump talks to n Korea and Ukraine. ..just out of the blue.

[Twosugars]

Russian attack....ooo..


So trump talks to n Korea and Ukraine. ..just out of the blue.

Not out of the blue.
Ukraine has support of all the west bc of russian annexation of Crimea
N Korea is a nuclear danger to america

All former communist countries like poland fear Russia bc russia wants to rebuild its empire

[Beso]

Not out of the blue.
Ukraine has support of all the west bc of russian annexation of Crimea
N Korea is a nuclear danger to america

All former communist countries like poland fear Russia bc russia wants to rebuild its empire

Why they still in eorovision contest then?

[Tom4784]

Jesus, if that's the version they chose to put out, I can't imagine how damaging the real thing must be.

If this was any other president, they would have been impeached a long time ago. The conservatives, centrists and other elements of the right wing are surrendering their own morals just to keep the racist-in-chief in office.

If you are still defending him after this then you have no morals, this is as clear cut as it gets.

[Twosugars]

Why they still in eorovision contest then?

I know, a good point.

Eurovision claim to be not political :shrug:

[bots]

i actually think they put this out as a distraction and that the whistleblower report will be much worse. The report is in the hands of congress now so I don't think we will need to wait long to find out how bad it really is. There are plenty rumours doing the rounds, so time will tell

[Alf]

Drain the swamp Donnie, you're destroying the Democrats.

[GiRTh]

Drain the swamp Donnie, you're destroying the Democracy.Corrected it for you. :thumbs:

[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

The walking cheese puff is losing it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFd9HnHXsAABLvq?format=jpg&name=medium

How are you spelling describe?

[Twosugars]

Hyphen :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

hyphen :laugh:

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[arista]

Go ahead
Make his Day..................PUNKS

Impeach him - But make it STICK

[Twosugars]

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:joker:

[arista]

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[GiRTh]

gyC3E-kD9aQ:laugh:

About time. MSNCB fact checking Donnie in real time. They should have done this the day after Trump took office.

[Twosugars]

gyC3E-kD9aQ:laugh:

About time. MSNCB fact checking Donnie in real time. They should have done this the day after Trump took office.

Brilliant.
They should have a split screen and correct him in writing as he goes.
Liar

[Ammi]

...I swear Donald looks a bit smaller than he did...he’s shrinking..?...Trump and the Giant Impeachment...

[GiRTh]

...I swear Donald looks a bit smaller than he did...he’s shrinking..?...Trump and the Giant Impeachment...Good one :laugh:

[Vicky.]

gyC3E-kD9aQ:laugh:

About time. MSNCB fact checking Donnie in real time. They should have done this the day after Trump took office.
:laugh: Wish this happened much more often tbh. Politicians in general tend to speak to much crap but..Trump is in another league tbh

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFgYa02UYAAR1oC?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

...I swear Donald looks a bit smaller than he did...he’s shrinking..?...Trump and the Giant Impeachment...


No he still Eats Burgers and KFC

[arista]

Jesus, if that's the version they chose to put out, I can't imagine how damaging the real thing must be.

If this was any other president, they would have been impeached a long time ago. The conservatives, centrists and other elements of the right wing are surrendering their own morals just to keep the racist-in-chief in office.

If you are still defending him after this then you have no morals, this is as clear cut as it gets.


Sure you may think that
but its not a proper witness
Watch CNN HD 2PM Smerconish Live
if you get time.


https://news.sky.com/story/rudy-giuliani-president-trumps-lawyer-willing-to-testify-over-impeachment-claims-11821359

[bots]

this investigation is completely different to previous ones against Trump. it's very focused, very rapid (Pompy subpoena for next week) and it's more understandable for the general public. 2 GoP senators have already turned on him. He could struggle to get out of this one, particularly as it implicates so many close to him. Someone will squeal to avoid jail.

[GiRTh]

Agree. The investigation is clearly the work of a few disgruntled employees who've been gathering information over time. Every single thing the whistle blower has said has turned out to be true. Its all down to the Gop though, and with the Lyndsey Grahams of this world Donnie may get out of this an be re-elected but this is a very serious charge that is clearly only the tip of the iceberg.

[Twosugars]

Drain the swamp

[Alf]

Poor old Robert De Niro is losing his marbles.

Never meet your heroes, because they'll just disappoint you.

[arista]

poor old robert de niro is losing his marbles.

Never meet your heroes, because they'll just disappoint you.


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[Alf]

1178585612020043776It's an absolute disgrace that CNN wheels out these mentality Ill celebrities as political commentators.

Just watch the clip, don't even worry about the bad language. My question is, where are his facts and reasons behind his claims?

Even little baby Brian cuts him off and calls for a break. Basically he was just wheeled out to say "Orange man bad"

[The Slim Reaper]

It's an absolute disgrace that CNN wheels out these mentality Ill celebrities as political commentators.

Just watch the clip, don't even worry about the bad language. My question is, where are his facts and reasons behind his claims?

Even little baby Brian cuts him off and calls for a break. Basically he was just wheeled out to say "Orange man bad"

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[Alf]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/A91s3852tsz6g/source.gifBut let's say there are facts and reasons, where's his? He's just basically saying Orange man bad, but not giving a reason why he's bad. The show he's on is called "reliable sources" where's his reliable sources for his claims?

I'm sure his performance will be better in the new Scorsese film.

[The Slim Reaper]

But let's say there are facts and reasons, where's his? He's just basically saying Orange man bad, but not giving a reason why he's bad. The show he's on is called "reliable sources" where's his reliable sources for his claims?

I'm sure his performance will be better in the new Scorsese film.

He does clearly say it's because of all the crap he's already done and said. which is legitimate.

He's only the guest of the show, no one criticises anyone that goes on Sean Hannity's show, for not being Sean Hannity. Besides, he was asked how he'd respond to fox news if they criticised him for criticising trump (which is a ridiculous thing to have to comment on. News orgs shouldn't be protecting the president), and he said "**** em". What exactly are you struggling to understand?

[Marsh.]

It's an absolute disgrace that CNN wheels out these mentality Ill celebrities as political commentators.

Just watch the clip, don't even worry about the bad language. My question is, where are his facts and reasons behind his claims?

Even little baby Brian cuts him off and calls for a break. Basically he was just wheeled out to say "Orange man bad"

Mentally ill for saying something you don't like?

Great logic there.

[Nicky91]

But let's say there are facts and reasons, where's his? He's just basically saying Orange man bad, but not giving a reason why he's bad. The show he's on is called "reliable sources" where's his reliable sources for his claims?

I'm sure his performance will be better in the new Scorsese film.

the show took an hour, not a 24/7 show, and i'd love to sum up the reasons why he is bad, but then you would have a longlist of trump tweets in my post

reliable source, twitter and there are people like De Niro, me and others who see it very clear why trump is a bad u.s president

[Alf]

Mentally ill for saying something you don't like?

Great logic there.They're nearly all mental cases in Hollywood, it's the life they lead, cutting themselves off from everyday people. They live in cuckoo land.

[Alf]

He does clearly say it's because of all the crap he's already done and said. which is legitimate.

He's only the guest of the show, no one criticises anyone that goes on Sean Hannity's show, for not being Sean Hannity. Besides, he was asked how he'd respond to fox news if they criticised him for criticising trump (which is a ridiculous thing to have to comment on. News orgs shouldn't be protecting the president), and he said "**** em". What exactly are you struggling to understand?What does "all the crap" mean? What crap?

Maybe they can invite me on, and I'll say, "all the crap that the Democrats are doing" but I won't have to explain the crap, as long as I get the headline out there, that's all I need to stick.

[The Slim Reaper]

What does "all the crap" mean? What crap?

Maybe they can invite me on, and I'll say, "all the crap that the Democrats are doing" but I won't have to explain the crap, as long as I get the headline out there, that's all I need to stick.

If you didn't believe them the first time around, then why would I give you a list of things he has done so you can disbelieve them for a 50th time?

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-no-wrongdoing-biden

KYIV, Ukraine — Ukraine’s former top law enforcement official says he repeatedly rebuffed demands by President Trump’s personal lawyer to investigate Joe Biden and his son, insisting he had seen no evidence of wrongdoing that he could pursue.
In an interview, Yuri Lutsenko said while he was Ukraine’s prosecutor general he told Rudolph W. Giuliani that he would be happy to cooperate if the FBI or other U.S. authorities began their own investigation of the former vice president and his son Hunter but insisted they had not broken any Ukrainian laws to his knowledge.

Lutsenko, who was fired as prosecutor general last month, said he had urged Giuliani to launch a U.S. inquiry and go to court if he had any evidence but not to use Ukraine to conduct a political vendetta that could affect the U.S. election.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’ ” Lutsenko told The Times.

“I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official,” he said.

The revelations are at the heart of the House impeachment inquiry into whether Trump improperly delayed congressionally mandated military aid to Ukraine while urging leaders there to help find dirt on his political opponents to boost his 2020 reelection bid.

Lutsenko said he met Giuliani twice in person and had numerous conversations with him on the phone. He described the former New York mayor as obsessed with possible misconduct by Biden or his son Hunter.

Both Bidens have denied any wrongdoing, and no evidence has emerged to suggest they broke U.S. laws.

Lutsenko said he told Giuliani that Hunter Biden’s position on the board of Ukraine’s largest natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, while his father was involved in steering Obama administration policy toward Ukraine “could be signs of a conflict of interest” but was not illegal.

Lutsenko’s account is controversial since he is believed to have been one of the original promoters behind the unsubstantiated allegations against Biden. He also complained about Marie Yovanovitch, the U.S. ambassador to Kyiv who was recalled in May, weeks before her tenure was up.

Yovanovitch had pushed Ukraine’s government to more aggressively crack down on corruption. But the White House considered her insufficiently loyal to Trump, apparently because she resisted pressuring Ukraine on his priorities, and she became a target of conservative critics, including Giuliani.

House investigators have scheduled a deposition with Yovanovitch and four other senior State Department officials as part of the impeachment inquiry.

Among the group is Kurt Volker, who resigned as special U.S. envoy to Ukraine on Friday after the whistleblower account alleged he had helped set up some of Giuliani’s meetings with Ukrainian officials.

Lutsenko said he was eager to cooperate with Giuliani and Trump but did not have sufficient evidence to act on his own.

The former prosecutor said Giuliani dropped the Biden requests at some point last year but apparently saw a new opportunity with the election in April of Volodymyr Zelensky, a former actor and political neophyte who defeated incumbent President Petro Poroshenko.

Lutsenko said Giuliani again began contacting him to sound him out about the new president and gauge whether Zelensky might be more cooperative in going after Democrats. But Lutsenko did not keep his job and was fired in August.

On July 25, Trump spoke to Zelensky by telephone from the White House. According to a declassified memorandum released by the White House last week that reconstructed the conversation, Trump asked Zelensky for a “favor” and urged him to “look into” Biden and his son.

He linked his comments directly to Zelensky’s request to buy U.S. antitank weapons to help counter Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, and the new president’s hopes of securing a White House meeting.

During the 30-minute call, Trump asked Zelensky at least five times to work with Atty. Gen. William Barr in addition to Giuliani.

“I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Atty. Gen. Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it,” Trump told Zelensky. “I’m sure you will figure it out.”

The Justice Department said last week that Barr was not aware of Trump’s comments at the time and that he had no contact with Ukrainian authorities.

Trump also asked Zelensky to look into CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity company that did work for the Democrats in the 2016 election and was the focus of conspiracy theories. The company is based in Irvine, but Trump apparently believed it operated from Ukraine.

A week before the call, Trump had ordered aides to withhold disbursement of nearly $400 million in military and State Department assistance that Congress had approved for Ukraine. He gave no reason for blocking the aid.

Previously, Trump had bragged about having secured the aid, saying it showed he was more supportive of Ukraine than President Obama had been. The funds and material were finally released this month after Congress was notified of a whistleblower complaint involving Trump’s call to Zelensky.

Giuliani has acknowledged broadly asking Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and defended the move as appropriate. Although he is a private citizen, not a government employee, he has claimed he acted at the State Department’s behest. The State Department has not commented.

“I did not do this on my own, I did it at the request of the State Department — I have a ‘thank you’ from them for doing a good job,” Giuliani said Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” He said Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo “was aware of it.”

Lutsenko, 54, met with The Times at a cafe in downtown Kyiv. He spoke quickly and animatedly in Russian and English, at times contradicting his previous public statements.

He said he met unofficially with Giuliani in New York and in Warsaw last year. Other accounts put the New York meeting earlier this year, but he insisted it was January 2018. The Warsaw meeting was in March, he said.

“I went to his office and was there for several hours over three days,” Lutsenko said. “He was certainly prepared.”

Giuliani quickly raised the issue of the Ukrainian gas company that had hired Hunter Biden. Burisma is run by a Ukrainian oligarch who had been under investigation for tax evasion and lives abroad. But once back taxes were paid, Lutsenko said, the case was shelved.

“He was wondering why the case was closed,” he said. “I had to tell him how law enforcement functions here.”

He said his hands were tied and he could not reopen the case just because Trump wanted it.

Trump has suggested that one of Biden’s misdeeds was to demand the firing of Lutsenko’s predecessor, Viktor Shokin, to prevent him from investigating Hunter Biden.

But U.S. and European officials had demanded Shokin’s ouster as part of a crackdown on widespread corruption in the former Soviet republic.

“The thinking was Ukraine could do a lot more” to fight corruption, David Cameron, the British prime minister at the time, said Sunday on CNN.

Giuliani was scheduled to travel to Kyiv in May but canceled the trip when Democrats raised questions about his activities.

Lutsenko served as prosecutor general from May 2016 until last month, when Zelensky had him replaced. Both men are pivotal characters in the Trump impeachment saga.

Lutsenko has had a checkered career. He spent several years in prison on corruption charges that he claimed were trumped up. He was eventually pardoned.

Rivals have accused him of fomenting the Biden allegations in hopes of winning Trump administration support during the Ukrainian election for Poroshenko, the defeated candidate.

The picture that is emerging of Giuliani’s back-channel diplomacy suggests maneuvering that countered and ultimately undermined official U.S. foreign policy.

The U.S. Congress has voiced bipartisan support for Kyiv in its showdown with neighboring Russia, which seized the Crimea region in 2014 and has backed separatists in an armed insurgency in eastern Ukraine.

Trump has been reluctant to criticize Moscow, and last week, when he met Zelensky on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly, the president appeared to startle the Ukrainian leader by urging him to settle his differences with Russia.

[Alf]

If you didn't believe them the first time around, then why would I give you a list of things he has done so you can disbelieve them for a 50th time?Believe what?

Trump won the election, the establishment didn't like it

The people of the UK voted to leave, the establishment didn't like it.

If anybody is causing division in the Western World, then look at the people who can't and won't accept defeat.

[The Slim Reaper]

Believe what?

Trump won the election, the establishment didn't like it

The people of the UK voted to leave, the establishment didn't like it.

If anybody is causing division in the Western World, then look at the people who can't and won't accept defeat.

Has nothing to do with accepting elections. This is what you constantly get wrong. You can't tell me 3 benefits of brexit, and yet you want it because your side won the election. What you do with others is project your own intentions on to the motives of others, and it's not even remotely true.

People aren't against brexit because they lost an election, they are against it to protect their nhs, their standard of living, and in some cases their lives.

Trump doesn't get immunity because he's president, and it's only ever him or his supporters that even mention 2016 repeatedly.

He's being investigated for crimes, not because people are unhappy he won.

[Twosugars]

Lock him up :dance:

[Alf]

Has nothing to do with accepting elections. This is what you constantly get wrong.

People aren't against brexit because they lost an election, they are against it to protect their nhs, their standard of living, and in some cases their lives.

Trump doesn't get immunity because he's president, and it's only ever him or his supporters that even mention 2016 repeatedly.

He's being investigated for crimes, not because people are unhappy he won.He's being investigated for crimes, not because he's done anything wrong, it's because the Democrats have no winning policies, so they throw dirt and hope some sticks. If the headline is Orange man bad, then most people who ain't that interested just think that Orange man must be bad.

They ain't got nothing on him, they've thrown all of their dirt at him over the past 5 years.

[Twosugars]

He's being investigated for crimes, not because he's done anything wrong, it's because the Democrats have no winning policies, so they throw dirt and hope some sticks. If the headline is Orange man bad, then most people who ain't that interested just think that Orange man must be bad.

They ain't got nothing on him, they've thrown all of their dirt at him over the past 5 years.

Asking a foreign country to dig up dirt on a political opponent is a crime

It makes Nixon look good :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

He's being investigated for crimes, not because he's done anything wrong, it's because the Democrats have no winning policies, so they throw dirt and hope some sticks. If the headline is Orange man bad, then most people who ain't that interested just think that Orange man must be bad.

They ain't got nothing on him, they've thrown all of their dirt at him over the past 5 years.

The democrats are running on platform of a green new deal, free healthcare for everyone, making the wealthy finally pay their fair share, and to reduce the costs of higher education. it's actually Trump/conservatives that don't have anything to run on.

But again, you just ignore what's being said and restate it, as though that gives it extra weight.

[Alf]

The democrats are running on platform of a green new deal, free healthcare for everyone, making the wealthy finally pay their fair share, and to reduce the costs of higher education. it's actually Trump/conservatives that don't have anything to run on.

But again, you just ignore what's being said and restate it, as though that gives it extra weight.Like I said, no winning policies.

[Tom4784]

Anyone that can look at all this **** and then make it out to be fake news is beyond reason or logic.

Trump is highly corrupt, he tried to interfere in the Mueller investigation but he was too incompetent to do so, he gets Pence to stay in his resorts on state visits in order to bring money in for his businesses, The human rights abuses committed under his regime will be yet another dark moment in the US' history and both him and his office has admitted to asking for help in the election from a foreign power.

If this had been a democratic president, the people who are staying silent now would be screeching for impeachment. Anyone that still supports Trump is doing so because tribalism, not out of a sense of morality.

The **** he's pulled is legitimately unprecedented for it's depth of corruption. Even Nixon would blanch over this ****.

[The Slim Reaper]

Like I said, no winning policies.

What will trump run on?

He actually ran on a few of those things in 16, it was just always a lie to reel in the uniformed, and people continually vote against their own self interests regardless.

[Twosugars]

Like I said, no winning policies.

That would be the second D out of the four D's of the Trump rulebook of disinformation: Dismiss, Distract, Distort and Dismay


Wont work here I'm afraid Alfred;)

[Tom4784]

What will trump run on?

He actually ran on a few of those things in 16, it was just always a lie to reel in the uniformed, and people continually vote against their own self interests regardless.

Remember when he said that Mexico would pay for the wall yet he's repeatedly attempted to raid the emergency funds for his ineffective symbol wall?

Remember when he said he'd come down on the rich but he gave them tax cuts like no other president has before?

Remember when he made out that he was business and trade focused but his determination to have a trade war with China have made things worse for the US economy?

We remember, but his supporters sure don't.

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember when he said that Mexico would pay for the wall yet he's repeatedly attempted to raid the emergency funds for his ineffective symbol wall?

Remember when he said he'd come down on the rich but he gave them tax cuts like no other president has before?

Remember when he made out that he was business and trade focused but his determination to have a trade war with China have made things worse for the US economy?

We remember, but his supporters sure don't.

Remember when he said he'd give everyone beautiful healthcare, then tried his best to take it away?

Then he called John McCain (a POW, no less) a traitor for voting against his plan to take healthcare away from people.

[Tom4784]

Remember when he said he'd give everyone beautiful healthcare, then tried his best to take it away?

Trump supporters be like

https://media.giphy.com/media/5ETs34G31iCAg/giphy.gif

[Twosugars]

Guys you got distracted by the second D :laugh:

This convo is about trump's dirty business with Ukraine

[Twosugars]

Alf 1 : TSR, Dezzy 0

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Marsh.]

They're nearly all mental cases in Hollywood, it's the life they lead, cutting themselves off from everyday people. They live in cuckoo land.

As I said, great logic there.

[bots]

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he is in full meltdown now :laugh:

[Ammi]

..Lord, I hate when those coups look like impeachments...how on earth is a poor US President meant to tell them apart...

[Tom4784]

It's sad that people could look to his messages, that read like an angry teenager's inane ranting, and believe them fully.

His fans are truly part of a cult at this point and their supreme leader can do no wrong in his eyes.

[Ammi]

...Shifty Schif' the 'low-life said Dishonest Donald, the truthless Trump....it’s like reading children’s book characters...

[bots]

i can't let this one go by without a mention :laugh:

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[Twosugars]

""Overwhelmingly" :laugh:

[Nicky91]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/02/us-to-impose-tariffs-on-eu-products-after-wto-victory.html

:fist: Trump ffs how much more trolling can this orange turd do

[arista]

...Shifty Schif' the 'low-life said Dishonest Donald, the truthless Trump....it’s like reading children’s book characters...


Yes you Could
do a book with so many like the Big Orange Bully
at the top of the Hill.


Trouble is Adults would want it more


Maybe Dezzy the Great Writer
could do a new book on it.

[The Slim Reaper]

He went full ****** in those press conferences.

https://media.tenor.com/images/ebe9826975a5697ee90bad3a37a77334/tenor.gif

[GiRTh]

He went full ****** in those press conferences.

https://media.tenor.com/images/ebe9826975a5697ee90bad3a37a77334/tenor.gif:laugh:

Yes it was brilliant to watch. He's angry and he knows they've got him. The way he has nonchalantly dug Mike Pence out is Donnie all over. Beautiful the way Trump just insinuates that Pence had a few dodgy calls with the Ukraine President too.

He'll be impeached but not removed from office because there are just too many spineless GOP congressman to get the job done.

[Twosugars]

In other news


On Tuesday we learned about Donald Trump’s plans to construct a moat along the US-Mexico border and fill it with snakes and alligators.

That was according to a report from the New York Times, which has now been confirmed by the Washington Post.

According to the Post, Trump also suggested arming US forces “with bayonets to block people from crossing into the United States across the Mexico border”.

The Times had reported that Trump additionally proposed shooting would-be migrants in the legs, so as to prevent them crossing into the US, and wanted his as-yet unbuilt border wall to be electrified, with spikes on top.
The Guardian

[bots]

he has just said on live tv that China will be coming next week for trade deal discussions and that they should investigate the Bidens :joker:

[Alf]

Where is Hunter Biden?

[Twosugars]

Trump doesn't need any help, he will implicate himself :laugh:

This is pure comedy and will run for a while, may just as well make ourselves comfy, drinks and snacks handy :D

[arista]

Where is Hunter Biden?


He is in hiding

[arista]

1179703586063863808

Anna is a UK Top Business Reporter
who I have met.
She works for CNN HD Business.

[Liam-]

he has just said on live tv that China will be coming next week for trade deal discussions and that they should investigate the Bidens :joker:

If he drops himself in it this much when he’s trying to be sneaky, imagine if he was actually honest, Jesus

[Tom4784]

I'd love to see some of his defenders defend him now. He came out and said it on national TV.

[Beso]

Where is Hunter Biden?

Probably on a new and secret paedophille island.

[Twosugars]

Probably on a new and secret paedophille island.

Run by the Clintons and Greta:laugh3:

[Twosugars]

Lock up the orange bastard

But not yet, he is a comedy gold :D

[Beso]

Run by the Clintons and Greta:laugh3:

Paedophilia is not funny.:nono:

[Twosugars]

Paedophilia is not funny.:nono:

Just as well they are not paedophiles :laugh:

[arista]

https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/10/16/biden-son-cocaine_c0-0-700-408_s885x516.jpg?f7c7cb081d808dc43729ee6077273da88 5ffde4d

Hunter Biden
happy to Get Massive Funds from Ukraine

[The Slim Reaper]

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[arista]

from CNN HD Inside Politics Live
today

Hunter became a Junkie
all the Extra Cash helped him get High.

[Tom4784]

A second whistleblower's emerged in the impeachment preceedings against Trump.

[Twosugars]

A second intelligence official is reportedly considering filing a whistleblower complaint about Donald Trump’s dealings with Ukraine as the Democrats’ impeachment investigation into the president and his administration continues to escalate.
The Guardian

[arista]

A second whistleblower's emerged in the impeachment proceedings against Trump.


Yes more
for the Democrats to get busy with

Sod the Election next year

[GiRTh]

There a third who alleges Trump tried to interfere in the audit of his tax returns.

Treasury’s Handling of Trump’s Taxes Probed by Inspector General (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/treasury-s-handling-of-trump-s-taxes-probed-by-inspector-general)

[Twosugars]

Yes more
for the Democrats to get busy with

Sod the Election next year

Doing their job, investigating the orange law breaker

[GiRTh]

The text messages though :joker: (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49930863)

[Alf]

What is this, a rave?

The Whistle posse, blowing their whistles are in the house.

[GiRTh]

What is this, a rave?

The Whistle posse, blowing their whistles are in the house.Its bad, for sure.

[Twosugars]

The text messages though :joker: (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49930863)

I know

That orange swamp needs flushing down the toilet

[Alf]

Its bad, for sure.Oh no! They've definitely got him this time, for sure.

[GiRTh]

I think the Whistle blower is someone close to Trump. Or the WB's main source of info is a Trump insider. Its all too good and accurate what he or she is saying. I thought it might be Pence but the way Donnie dimed him out the other day make me think its not him.

Trump will be impeached but unlikely run out of office. Pence is in it up to his neck so President Mike Pence will hopefully never happen.

[Tom4784]

Moscow Mitch has pretty much said he'll shut down impeachment in the Senate. If that comes to pass, people should be out in the streets about it.

[Alf]

The real truth always comes out in the end, we just have to wait for the smoke to clear.

[Twosugars]

Nixon also had a strong support in Congress. Until he didn't
All depends

[bots]

https://i.imgur.com/o2tCTsg.jpg

[GiRTh]

https://i.imgur.com/o2tCTsg.jpg:laugh::laugh:

[GiRTh]

Moscow Mitch has pretty much said he'll shut down impeachment in the Senate. If that comes to pass, people should be out in the streets about it.He's always going to be a problem. He revels a bit too much in his villain role.

[Alf]

Drain the swamp Donnie.

We see the rats panicking.

[Nicky91]

Drain the swamp Donnie.

We see the rats panicking.

only rat i see is that stinking racist, sexist orange clown


those who dislike your donnie don't panic, we just know the truth about donnie

[Twosugars]

Drain the swamp Donnie.

We see the rats panicking.

The noose is slowly tightening on the fat orange rat

[Beso]

Threesugars calm down...you sound like a fascist.

[GiRTh]

86BfiExHJDA:laugh:

[Twosugars]

Its official, the second whistleblower comes forward

[Kizzy]

Drain the swamp Donnie.

We see the rats panicking.

You know what happens when you drain the swamp?.... You expose king rat. Donald wheers ya troosers? :joker:

[arista]

aCocCQjViMk

[Beso]

Well it's not a main news running story on tv yet..so donald troosers are fitting fine on my legs.

[Beso]

https://images.app.goo.gl/Zc9TwpvQ9vXTLYbQ7

[bots]

this nugget can't go by without a mention

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[GiRTh]

Perry denies pressing Ukraine on energy company, says he's not resigning (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/07/rick-perry-denies-pressing-ukraine-037716)

Donnies thrown Rick Perry under bus, but now he's not resigning. Pence now Perry. Donies taking them all down. Who's surprised he's blaming everyone for a problem he created?

[Kizzy]

this nugget can't go by without a mention

1181232249821388801

The geezer has lost it... someone get him some help :/

[user104658]

this nugget can't go by without a mention

1181232249821388801I can't decide if it's genuinely terrifying, an indication that he is starting to become PROPERLY unhinged, or a bit of both.


I would also point out that this is part of a series of tweets where he also claims that the US has captured "100% of ISIS".

[GiRTh]

Trumps mental health has been a topic on mainstream media since 2017. These types of tweets have happened before just now more often.

[Beso]

He certainly has unmatched wisdom...

[Twosugars]

He will end up his life in a luxury mental facility or restrained at home

[arista]

The Democrats are Fools to go ahead with their
Impeachment, It will not Win in the Senate.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Seal_of_the_United_States_Senate.svg/220px-Seal_of_the_United_States_Senate.svg.png

All this will do is help Trump
in the Next Election next year in November

[Tom4784]

If Moscow Mitch shuts down impeachment with all this evidence against Trump, it'll just show that the game is rigged and that the Right Wing are ultimately morally corrupt if they continue to support Trump.

If the Republicans are smart, they'd consider throwing Trump under the bus to ensure they keep hold of the Senate. Defending a blatantly corrupt President that has called to other countries multiple times to investigate his rivals will ultimately cost them more than losing the White House for a term or two would.

[bots]

There has been lots of what could be described as alarmist talk previously, but I think American democracy is already lost. This isn't a fight for democracy that's going on now, the fight has already been lost. Trump is a dictator, and he is now just flexing muscle and control he already has

[Twosugars]

The inquiry is developing nicely

-Donald Trump’s former Russia adviser Fiona Hill will testify to Congress that the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and EU ambassador Gordon Sondland circumvented the National Security Council, according to NBC reporters.

-At least four national security officials raised concerns over the Trump administrations’ efforts to pressure Ukraine with a White House lawyer, the Washington Post reports

-Two associates of Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, have been charged with election finance violations for channeling foreign money into the president’s campaign.


Slowly but surely more facts is coming into the open

The giant orange arsehole is gonna get roasted long and slow :)

[Alf]

4 more years.

Trump is gonna win big, the American people see what's going on.

[Twosugars]

In other news trump has a go at fox news for publishing their own poll saying the majority of voters want him impeached and removed from office

Great :)

[Alf]

Trump is definitely finished now.


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[Tom4784]

4 more years.

Trump is gonna win big, the American people see what's going on.

Imagine still supporting him like this when he basically called for foreign aid against Biden on national TV.

[Twosugars]

Marie Yovanovitch told the House committees investigating impeachment that Trump had pushed for her removal as ambassador to Ukraine based on “false claims”, according to the New York Times.

The Times reports:

Marie L. Yovanovitch, who was recalled as the American ambassador to Ukraine, testified to impeachment investigators on Friday that a top State Department official told her that President Trump had pushed for her removal for months even though the department believed she had ‘done nothing wrong.’

In a closed-door deposition that could further fuel calls for Mr. Trump’s impeachment, Ms. Yovanovitch delivered a scathing indictment of his administration’s conduct of foreign policy, warning that private influence and personal gain have usurped diplomats’ judgment, threatening to undermine the nation’s interests and drive talented professionals out of public service.

According to a copy of her opening statement obtained by The New York Times, the longtime diplomat said she was ‘incredulous’ that she was removed as ambassador ‘based, as far as I can tell, on unfounded and false claims by people with clearly questionable motives.’
The Guardian

[arista]

Hunter Biden to step down from Chinese company board
and not work for foreign-owned firms if father elected.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/13/politics/hunter-biden-joe-biden-ukraine-china/index.html

[GiRTh]

I think the Whistle blower is someone close to Trump. Or the WB's main source of info is a Trump insider. Its all too good and accurate what he or she is saying. I thought it might be Pence but the way Donnie dimed him out the other day make me think its not him.

Trump will be impeached but unlikely run out of office. Pence is in it up to his neck so President Mike Pence will hopefully never happen.It looks like John Bolton was the source of some of the leaks. It was obvious there was an insider involved in all these leaks.

Bolton wanted White House lawyers alerted to Ukrainian efforts, called it ‘drug deal,’ witness tells Congress (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/bolton-wanted-white-house-lawyers-alerted-to-ukrainian-efforts-called-it-drug-deal-witness-tells-congress.html)

[bots]

51% now support impeachment and removal

[bots]

this is just soooooo good, the italian translator today :joker:

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[GiRTh]

Mulvaney appears to confirm Ukraine aid was tied to probe into 2016 election (https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/17/mulvaney-confirms-ukraine-aid-2016-probe-050156)
Is Trump Cheif of Staff Mulvaney trying to get distance himself? Remember Nixons Chief of staff ended up in jail.

[Twosugars]

Mulvaney was involved with Giuliani and other crooks, he ran it from the WH

[GiRTh]

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[bots]

1188623821877760005

[Cherie]

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:joker:

[bots]

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[arista]

1189770384645787648


Yes Swear on Live Sports TV
Easy to do

[GiRTh]

Impeachment vote happening as we speak.

Anyone been following it? There are witnesses who claim Donnie said much more on his infamous phone call than he is letting on. Two witnesses have testified as such and Donnie boy Ambassador Vondland conveniently doesnt recall so many details of his role in the Ukraine shake down.

Its getting to the stage where GOP lawmakers are struggling to defend Trump and its driving him crazy.

Trump impeachment: House to vote on how inquiry should proceed (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50246324)

[Twosugars]

I follow it Girth. The slow undoing of the orange moron is very satisfying to watch

[GiRTh]

I follow it Girth. The slow undoing of the orange moron is very satisfying to watchIts starting to get good. Doubt he'll be removed but he'll be impeached now. He'll always have that stain on his presidency.

Trump needs someone to attack and so far the dems have skillfully only given him difficult targets, loyal patriots, but he's still tried. His tactics are so basic at times. :laugh:

Bottom line, it all depend on his GOP minions actually doing something and I cant really see them doing anything unless the revelations become too much. Election year next year and some of them are in difficult seats. They cant p*ss off Trumps base.

[Ammi]

...from fake news to witch hunt...poor Donny..:fan:..

[Twosugars]

Its starting to get good. Doubt he'll be removed but he'll be impeached now. He'll always have that stain on his presidency.

Trump needs someone to attack and so far the dems have skillfully only given him difficult targets, loyal patriots, but he's still tried. His tactics are so basic at times. :laugh:

Bottom line, it all depend on his GOP minions actually doing something and I cant really see them doing anything unless the revelations become too much. Election year next year and some of them are in difficult seats. They cant p*ss off Trumps base.

I'm with you on that.
We shall see. Nixon also started with a strong support. As you say, it all depends what comes out. But there's potential.
GOP has sunk so low but they could be swayed if public opinion turns against them.
On the face of it Donnie has done so much worse than Nixon. It is a high treason territory.

[GiRTh]

Dems have passed the 220 votes needed. Donnies gonna be impeached

:dance:

[GiRTh]

I'm with on that.
We shall see. Nixon also started with a strong support. As you say, it all depends what comes out. But there's potential.
GOP has sunk so low but they could be swayed if public opinion turns against them.
On the face of it Donnie has done so much worse than Nixon. It is a high treason territory.
Agree. Trumps crimes are much worse than Nixon. I'm curious to see who he attacks though.

[Ammi]

http://politicalpunchline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/impeach-just-do-it-1024x690.jpg

[GiRTh]

http://politicalpunchline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/impeach-just-do-it-1024x690.jpg:laugh:

[GiRTh]

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This is really weird. :umm2:

[Twosugars]

Out of arguments and morally bankrupt

[GiRTh]

Former Ukraine ambassador says she felt ‘threatened’ by Trump and Giuliani (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/former-ukraine-ambassador-says-she-felt-threatened-by-trump-and-giuliani)

So glad they're releasing pieces of the secret testimony. The problem with the Mueller report was that it was so hush that when it came out it was too much for most people to read and so the redacted version was given too much credit. This tactic is much better. I cant wait to see what Donnie says about this, he's gonna deny it but at least 12 Government employees have corroborated each other testimony regarding his actions. It'll be hard to deny it all and call them all 'haters'.

[GiRTh]

Impeachment Testimony Cheat Sheet (https://shero.substack.com/p/impeachment-testimony-cheat-sheet?r=1ejbr&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy)

Gordon Sondland updates his testimony with the Congressional Committee and the details of the four page update and transcript are made public. In the sworn addendum, Sondland claimed he had “refreshed [his] recollection” after reading the testimony given by Taylor and Morrison, who were forthright in saying that the Ukrainian aid was a quid pro quo in exchange for an investigation into Biden. Sondland now admits that by early September, he had become convinced that military aid and a White House meeting were conditioned on Ukraine committing to investigations into Trump’s political opponents.

Sondland updated his testimony to reflect that he had discussed the link between an investigation and a White House with Andriy Yermak, a top adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine during a Sept. 1 meeting between Vice President Mike Pence and Mr. Zelensky in Warsaw. Sondland also confirmed that President Zelensky discussed the suspension of aid directly with Pence.

Sondland also confirmed in his new testimony, he believed that withholding the aid was was conditioned on the investigations but was “ill-advised,” and that he did not know “when, why or by whom the aid was suspended.” This new testimony is Sondland’s way of explaining that the quid pro quo existed, but that it was not his idea. A month ago Sondland presented himself as a novice and unwitting observer to the actions of the Trump administration, but these new details confirm what we already knew from other’s testimony — that Sondland was quite aware of everything that was happening and a main player in the quid pro quo negotiations.More testimony has been released. Donnies boy Sondland suddenly remembers a bunch of stuff he couldn't recall when he testified the other week. The aid was indeed dependent on dirt on the Bidens.

Of course it goes without saying, this is all pointless if no one decides to do anything about it.

[Twosugars]

Sondland has realized which way the wind is blowing

[Beso]

The orange **** is getting on my tits now as well...he's backed off like a cowering shambles..

[GiRTh]

Sondland has realized which way the wind is blowingFor sure, he knows his ass is on the line. He's quoted as saying he wants it all to be over and return to his businesses.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[GiRTh]

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They're going mad for this on US mainstream media.

Not the whole thing but its difficult to find an uncut version.

To be brutally honest, in the uncut version, I thought he did well. I dont agree with him but this show was an obvious setup.

[bots]

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[The Slim Reaper]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

has he been impeached yet?

too busy drinking milk to check?

[The Slim Reaper]

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[GiRTh]

When will Donnie start tweeting?

[GiRTh]

Devin Nunes is arguing the whole thing is a Dems conspiracy. :laugh:

This is gonna be brilliant. Forget Love Island, Strictly this is the best reality TV event of the year.

[The Slim Reaper]

Strictly Nunes

[GiRTh]

If all the Reps have is to argue conspiracy and complain about the process then they've got to to turn this into a circus for Donnies approval. Nunes and Jordan will be the ringmasters.

[The Slim Reaper]

If all the Reps have is to argue conspiracy and complain about the process then they've got to to turn this into a circus for Donnies approval. Nunes and Jordan will be the ringmasters.

They have nothing else to go on. The facts are damning.

[arista]

Sure
but after this
his Senate will not remove him

[GiRTh]

They have nothing else to go on. The facts are damning.Totally agree, the facts are clear cut. He did it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sure
but after this
his Senate will not remove him

That speaks about the senate and right wing corruption, not the facts.

[arista]

That speaks about the senate and right wing corruption, not the facts.


But all this Time and Effort
and he stays as President

[Liam-]

Not surprised by Jim Jordan, he’s used to wilfully turning a blind eye to and covering up crimes

[The Slim Reaper]

But all this Time and Effort
and he stays as President

Just because corruption stops people doing the right thing, it doesn't mean it's not worth trying.

[arista]

Just because corruption stops people doing the right thing, it doesn't mean it's not worth trying.


But this Next Election
in USA matters more

[Twosugars]

But this Next Election
in USA matters more

Nothing matters more than a due process. The orange moron needs to be exposed