The Labour Party Conference Brighton Corbyns Speech Tuesday

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Starts soon

this weekend.


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Cocky Corbyn Marched into
his Conference
Surround by very young Labour members.
Happy he has sorted Watson into a
Special Slow review on him.



He is getting a low rating in every poll.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49767667
[Some of the more eye-catching proposals include:
Integrating all private schools into the state sector, removing their charitable status,
redistributing their assets and limiting the number of their pupils going to university
Moving to a four-day, or 32-hour, working week, with no loss of pay
Closing all detention centres and replacing them with community alternatives
Ending all airport expansion and re-wilding 25% of British land
Moving to zero-carbon emissions by 2030
Powers for local authorities to compulsorily purchase empty properties
Expect a lot of brightly coloured clothing to be waved around as delegates seek to get called to speak.
If they do get lucky, they won't have long, as the majority of speeches will be limited to two minutes.]


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Dawn Butler MP
Shadow Women Sec.

Is Live on the Parliament Ch.

[Oliver_W]

Integrating all private schools into the state sector, removing their charitable status, redistributing their assets and limiting the number of their pupils going to university
No.

Moving to a four-day, or 32-hour, working week, with no loss of pay
Where's the money coming from?

Closing all detention centres and replacing them with community alternatives

Don't have much of an opinion, leaning more toward no.

Ending all airport expansion and re-wilding 25% of British land
YES!

Moving to zero-carbon emissions by 2030
How? I'm for it, but how?

Powers for local authorities to compulsorily purchase empty properties
Nope. Well it depends what "empty" means. Plenty of people have additional homes they're not in all year.

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a 15 year old Girl was Live Now
From Cornwall

A bit Cocky

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"Where's the money coming from?"


Oliver they will Tax Folks like me
MORE.



Now a 78 year old is talking.....................
Parliament Channel.

[Oliver_W]

"Where's the money coming from?"


Oliver they will Tax Folks like me
MORE.

That's what I don't like. Events like this could win me over, generally I lean to the right but my biggest buggaboo is the environment and protecting our greenery.

Labour seem to be with me on that, but I also believe in lowish taxes and minimum interference from above, and basically everything else goes against this.

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She Marched down the Road outside
the Conference
halting Traffic.
Moaning about Corbyn this morning.


Ch4HDnews showed the march.

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The Labour Leader is Live on
BBC1HD Marr
which has now started.

Corbyn on soon.

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Corbyn Live said he now wants 2 Deputy Leaders
and the 2nd one would be a woman.

Thats just Crazy.

[Oliver_W]

Corbyn Live said he now wants 2 Deputy Leaders
and the 2nd one would be a woman.

Thats just Crazy.

I really hope it's Dianne Abbott, for the lolz.

[Oliver_W]

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I can't read that tiny writing, why do they think he looks ready to pack it in?

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I can't read that tiny writing, why do they think he looks ready to pack it in?



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Thanks. I didn't know that Tom Watson's lost his right to automatically fill in if Corbyn steps down. That's interesting.

Otherwise, that heading seems to be based on nothing. The very next sentence says he's not packing it in... I think it's just based on the fact he looks old and doddery, but he's 70 ffs, leave him alone tabloids!

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there have been rumours spreading about Corbyn's health, and even if they are completely false, once they spread there is no going back. He may last as leader a bit longer but he wont last 5 years and that's not really a viable position for a future facing party

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there have been rumours spreading about Corbyn's health, and even if they are completely false, once they spread there is no going back. He may last as leader a bit longer but he wont last 5 years and that's not really a viable position for a future facing party



Yes thats why Marr asked him if he would
severe a Full Term
Corbyn said he will.

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[Twosugars]

Corbyn does look healthy and trim for his age. Far healthier than that orange sack of cholesterol across the pond.
I think the issue is not his health but his psychological fatigue and lack of enthusiasm for carrying on.

[Oliver_W]

I think the issue is not his health but his psychological fatigue and lack of enthusiasm for carrying on.
He basically always mutters and looks "bored of this ****", I think it's just his demeanour tbh. I don't think he seems any less enthusiastic or more fatigued than usual.

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Andrew Fisher: Jeremy Corbyn's senior aide to quit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49785014

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Corbyn does look healthy and trim for his age. Far healthier than that orange sack of cholesterol across the pond.
I think the issue is not his health but his psychological fatigue and lack of enthusiasm for carrying on.


For a 70 year old
he eats well
Veg etc.

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Corbyn Live said he now wants 2 Deputy Leaders
and the 2nd one would be a woman.

Thats just Crazy.Doesn't matter which woman, the only criteria for the job is that you have a fanny.

It's so insulting to Women.

[Twosugars]

He basically always mutters and looks "bored of this ****", I think it's just his demeanour tbh. I don't think he seems any less enthusiastic or more fatigued than usual.

And always sulky when journalists accost him

For a 70 year old
he eats well
Veg etc.

And cycles.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49786833

a 16mins clip of Corbyn on Marr.

[Twosugars]

Doesn't matter which woman, the only criteria for the job is that you have a fanny.

It's so insulting to Women.

Not really. One man and one woman, makes sense to represent both halves of members and electorate.

[Oliver_W]

And always sulky when journalists accost him

I would be too, to be fair.

[joeysteele]

Yes thats why Marr asked him if he would
severe a Full Term
Corbyn said he will.

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I don't see the relevance of thst question.
Since 2005 only Cameron has done a full 5 year term anyway as PM.

Post war.
Churchill, Eden, Douglas-Home,Heath, Callaghan, Brown, and May all didn't or couldn't complete 5 year terms.

Only, Attlee, McMillan, Wilson,Thatcher and Blair and Cameron did.

[The Slim Reaper]

"Where's the money coming from?"


Oliver they will Tax Folks like me
MORE.



Now a 78 year old is talking.....................
Parliament Channel.

Don't be ridiculous. They will start making the wealthy and corporations pay their share. Multi-billion corporations like amazon and starbucks have been paying an effect rate of 0% for years.

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Don't be ridiculous. They will start making the wealthy and corporations pay their share. Multi-billion corporations like amazon and starbucks have been paying an effect rate of 0% for years.


They hope to do that.

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I don't see the relevance of this question.
Since 2005 only Cameron has done a full 5 year term anyway as PM.

Post war.
Churchill, Eden, Douglas-Home,Heath, Callaghan, Brown, and May all didn't or couldn't complete 5 year terms.

Only, Attlee, McMillan, Wilson,Thatcher and Blair and Cameron did.

Its being debated on LBC radio
Some hidden problem with his Health

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No way its only Half out
under his new plan

[Twosugars]

"Where's the money coming from?"


Oliver they will Tax Folks like me
MORE.



Now a 78 year old is talking.....................
Parliament Channel.

Good. Fat cats are too fat. Not good for health

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YouGov’s poll of over 1,100 members shows how out of touch with Labour voters the middle-class lefties really are:

79% want to control who runs newspapers

69% think it would be legitimate for unions to stage a general strike to bring down a Tory government;

TWO THIRDS believe the party doesn’t have a problem with anti-Semitism, OVER HALF believe the crisis is the fault of the media or Corbyn’s opponents;

Members would rather do a post-Brexit trade deal with Russia than Israel!

Astounding difference with popular opinion shows how out of touch with the working classes Labour is nowadays:

TWO-THIRDS are ashamed of Britain’s history;
MORE blame the British Government and Army for the Troubles in Northern Ireland than say it was the fault of the IRA;

MORE THAN HALF would feel bored, embarrassed or angry about singing the National Anthem – only 10% would be happy to sing “God Save the Queen”

SIX in ten want to abolish the royals for a republic;

https://order-order.com/2019/09/22/two-thirds-labour-members-ashamed-britain/

Fun bunch

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Corbyn modifying Education.

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Fun bunchThe only way they can achieve what they want is by force.

[Twosugars]

Fun bunch

At least they dont value brexit more than Scotland and Irish peace, like the cons

[joeysteele]

At least they dont value brexit more than Scotland and Irish peace, like the cons

Yes.
Two thirds of Con MEMBERS.
Said recession was a price worth paying to leave with no deal.

That the break up of Great Britain and the UK by losing Scotland was a price worth paying.

Plus, the support for no deal which could massively impact on Northern Ireland with danger to the good Friday agreement.

The Cons have 150,000+ members.
Two thirds of whom expressed the view of not bothered at the end of the UK.

The Labour party has over 500,000 members..
This poll asked 1100 of them, yes 1100.
This will be gospel however.

Whereas the other lot can be admired for being as extreme as they wish.

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There was due to be Debate on Brexit
but they halted it for another time.
Simply so many Hate Corbyn's Neutral position

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[joeysteele]

There was due to be Debate on Brexit
but they halted it for another time.
Simply so many Hate Corbyn's Neutral position

It's not they hate it, it's they feel the public don't grasp it and aren't listening.

I understand it and am happy to support it.

However, the voters matter and a position needs to be taken unfortunately.

I am happy to leave with a deal with a customs arrangement and Northern Ireland protected too as to the good Friday agreement.

Or

I'm happy to remain.

Either which the voters chose on those I'm happy with, as Corbyn would be.
So I have the same position as him.

The party though, overall wants us to be a remain party now.
That's the issue.

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Point Of Order : Live Parliament Ch. Labour Party Conference
One Lady just got on Stage said having the Union to Vote as well
has corrupted the voting.
She then said the rest of us the CPL's may as well go down the Pub.


The Trade Unions are controlling all the Votes.

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Diane Abbott gets up on stage and says she thinks they'll win a General election and tells Boris to "bring it on." A week after they bottled having an election offered to them by Boris. These people have absolutely no shame or sense of honour.

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ODiane Abbott gets up on stage and says she thinks they'll win a General election and tells Boris to "bring it on." A week after they bottled having an election offered to them by Boris. These people have absolutely no shame or sense of honour.


After 2017 not myself or anyone in Labour fear an election.

It's not bottling anything with a PM that is neither worthy of trust, nor can or should be trusted to not manipulate an election to satisfy the rabid hard-line extremists in his party, and some of the more extreme leave voters, to have the whole UK hurtling to a no deal brexit.

Labour, all the Nationalist parties except the DUP, the Lib Dems, Greens and Independents.
ALL want, the no deal deadline passed of October 31st then secured to not happen.

Then IF he still doesn't himself fear an election from his own Con party's own private polling, he will get one.
Once the October 31st deadline has passed.

I wouldn't get so cocky this election will be any better for him than 2017 was for Mrs May.

I don't expect an overall majority for either Cons or Labour.
What he could find is a much stronger Lib Dem representation after the election.
.
Be careful what you wish for.
Mrs May thought she'd just stroll in 2 years ago.
Johnson can't hide away in an election campaign like he did in the Con leadership election.

If you believe polling, that's your affair..
They've had nothing right for 3 elections and for years now.

[Kizzy]

Elections are very expensive as are referendum, it has to be one or the other ...or wait for the result of the supreme Court and we may get 2 for the price of one :)

Is it only me that feels a neutral stance from a leader is the fairest as the voters of all parties will be a mixed bag of leave and remain. It makes sense democratically not to ignore leave voters as that was the result of the referendum, quite rightly it makes a mockery of any vote to ignore the result. However at the same time you have to protect the agreements, rights and regulations we have currently in our best interests if a leave agreement does not do this then the next best option is to remain.
Corbyn is saying his he was in the position he would attempt to amend the deal to include protections for all, but if that is no longer the will of the people we stay... What's wrong with that? It's clear, fair and balanced. Obviously in the UK we just don't recognise that any longer. We literally are brexit crazy.

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Kizzy
Labour John McDonald just gave his speech
he claims Trade Unions will return
and he will build a Million Affordable homes.

Its 2019
not 1977.

[Kizzy]

Kizzy
Labour John McDonald just gave his speech
he claims Trade Unions will return
and he will build a Million Affordable homes.

Its 2019
not 1977.

So people don't need affordable homes in 2019?...

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So people don't need affordable homes in 2019?...


Yes they Do need
Discounted Affordable Homes



But AsdaWalmart
Store has No Union.

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1176028511737384961Great, that will give people more time to get drunk and high.

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Yes they Do need
Discounted Affordable Homes



But AsdaWalmart
Store has No Union.

The Waltons are one of the richest families in the world, and yet their workers often rely on government support to live. Are you happy with your taxes making sure they get to keep all of their hundreds of billions?

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The Waltons are one of the richest families in the world, and yet their workers often rely on government support to live. Are you happy with your taxes making sure they get to keep all of their hundreds of billions?


No the Tax needs
Revision.

[The Slim Reaper]

No the Tax needs
Revision.

You know what would help solve this? Unionised workers to fight for liveable wages so they wouldn't have to rely on our taxes.

[Twosugars]

Fat cats need a diet

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You know what would help solve this? Unionised workers to fight for liveable wages so they wouldn't have to rely on our taxes.



We do not want Hold ups.
Labour want a 4 day week.


I work Every Day.

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Fat cats need a diet


No they will live longer then.

[Kizzy]

Yes they Do need
Discounted Affordable Homes



But AsdaWalmart
Store has No Union.

Why do you think that is?

[Oliver_W]

The four day week thing would really only affect "white collar" jobs. I wonder if it would affect schools - the kids in the behaviour unit don't like weekends or school holidays because they're not allowed or capable in some cases to go out unsupervised, and there aren't enough clubs etc for them as it is.

Didn't there used to be half-day closing for some jobs, on Wednesday or Thursday?

[The Slim Reaper]

We do not want Hold ups.
Labour want a 4 day week.


I work Every Day.

I don't agree with a 4 day week. I do in principle, but it would be too difficult to implement properly. Think it's just one of those campaign promises that all parties make, but will suddenly disappear the minute they were elected.

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I work 4 days a week...I just happen to work 12hrs a day those 4 days :/

[Oliver_W]

I work 4 days a week...I just happen to work 12hrs a day those 4 days :/

Are you a nurse?:)

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Why do you think that is?

What
AsdaWalmart
not having a Union.

That is Legal.

[Twosugars]

No they will live longer then.

Let them live but enforce some decency and control their greed.
No outrageous bonuses regardless of performance, no siffoning profits abroad

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Let them live but enforce some decency and control their greed.
No outrageous bonuses regardless of performance, no siffoning profits abroad



Its All Legal.

New Labour enforced so much more in this area

[Twosugars]

It's not 4 day week but 32 hours week

Noble aim but how would that be possible?

We were promised computers and technology would give us more leisure time but it never happened

[Twosugars]

Its All Legal.

New Labour enforced so much more in this area

Time to change the law then

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Time to change the law then



Sure
but are Labour going to Win the Next Election?

[Twosugars]

Sure
but are Labour going to Win the Next Election?

Hard to tell

But good policies will help

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less working time means more leisure time, which means people have more opportunity to spend money, which means they need to earn more money which means they need to work more hours which means .....

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less working time means more leisure time, which means people have more opportunity to spend money, which means they need to earn more money which means they need to work more hours which means .....


Yes
assuming Labour can Win A Election?

Scotland Labour are Weak

[The Slim Reaper]

less working time means more leisure time, which means people have more opportunity to spend money, which means they need to earn more money which means they need to work more hours which means .....

We can extrapolate that in the opposite direction too. People don't have enough money to live which means they should work more so they'll have less leisure time to spend money, which means... That reasoning is far too simplistic.

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We can extrapolate that in the opposite direction too. People don't have enough money to live which means they should work more so they'll have less leisure time to spend money, which means... That reasoning is far too simplistic.



Yes a Sad Fact
Slim.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes a Sad Fact
Slim.

Shouldn't companies pay more? In decades past, folks used to be able to support a family on one blue collar job per household and afford to buy their own property. Wage rises haven't kept pace with the cost of living.

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Shouldn't companies pay more? In decades past, folks used to be able to support a family on one blue collar job per household and afford to buy their own property. Wage rises haven't kept pace with the cost of living.


The big problem is
that has gone Worldwide

[The Slim Reaper]

The big problem is
that has gone Worldwide

What's the problem? Companies are raking in record profits year on year, so why shouldn't their workers be able to support a family? That doesn't make sense.

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Corbyn
has won his Brexit Votes
in the Conference.

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What's the problem? Companies are raking in record profits year on year, so why shouldn't their workers be able to support a family? That doesn't make sense.


Sadly , they must work more hours

[Twosugars]

Sadly , they must work more hours

That's why we need labour government and eu regulations to sort out fat cats and their crafty machinations

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That's why we need Labour government and EU regulations to sort out fat cats and their crafty machinations


Sure
but again can they Win
the Next General Election?


Some are saying No.

[joeysteele]

Sure
but again can they Win
the Next General Election?


Some are saying No.



I don't think any Party can win an election outright.

In fact I'd expect a result similar to 2017 with the Lib Dems the only stronger Party .

Which could make the brexit voting even harder in Parliament.

[Beso]

I have been watching this a lot this week, taking a break every so often to scrape a metal spoon across a metal pan for some light relief.


Apart from TIBB, and its ease at forgiving blackface these days!! I can't ever remember seeing so many hypocrites in one place making thier points heard..

[joeysteele]

I have been watching this a lot this week, taking a break every so often to scrape a metal spoon across a metal pan for some light relief.


Apart from TIBB, and its ease at forgiving blackface these days!! I can't ever remember seeing so many hypocrites in one place making thier points heard..



You'll see real hypocrites in the next one.
The CON conference.

[Beso]

You'll see real hypocrites in the next one.
The CON conference.

I hope they don't all yelp as though they are reaching orgasm when they are voting!

It's very off puting!

[joeysteele]

I hope they don't all yelp as though they are reaching orgasm when they are voting!

It's very off puting!

The Cons don't really vote at theirs.
It's all just a show.

Rarely any dissension, virtual standing ovations before they even start to speak.

[Shaun]

Find it utterly bizarre how long it's taken them to pick a stance on Remain/Leave... I think the divide on that has pretty much bankrupted Labour for another ten years, sadly.

[joeysteele]

Find it utterly bizarre how long it's taken them to pick a stance on Remain/Leave... I think the divide on that has pretty much bankrupted Labour for another ten years, sadly.

It's annoyed me.
Not that Labour would ever line up to leaving with no deal.

Also they want a customs union arrangements at least.

I hoped the membership would have swung the vote today to more full remain.

I don't mind the neutral stance, it makes sense to me.
I agree with you though.
It will be a harder sell to voters.

I guess I best get ready for some ridicule or attack when I come across the more stronger brexit views canvassing.

The policies being unfurled however, I love all the way.

[Beso]

The Cons don't really vote at theirs.
It's all just a show.

Rarely any dissension, virtual standing ovations before they even start to speak.

Do they do football chants as well?

[joeysteele]

Do they do football chants as well?

They had a rather bad dancer last year while playing ABBA.

Don't think she's booked for this conference sadly though.

[Beso]

They had a rather bad dancer last year while playing ABBA.

Don't think she's booked for this conference sadly though.

Ah well, that's last year...

Did you join in with the, oh Jeremy corbyn football chant?

[Beso]

How is abbot the hypocrite being received these days?

I saw her latest interview about the planned closure of all the posh people's schools. ...ducking and diving like a seasoned conservative mp, as she was faced with the fact she sent her kids to them.


No wonder she ain't on tv much.

[joeysteele]

Ah well, that's last year...

Did you join in with the, oh Jeremy corbyn football chant?

No.
He was never my choice of leader and still isn't.

However I support his policies.

I actually support the Party that's all, and as to the social policies, I support it proudly too.
Too many vulnerable people, sick and disabled, have been made to suffer unnecessarily under this vile government for too long.

No matter the jibes, sarcasm and fiction from the press, Labour has my full support.

[Twosugars]

No.
He was never my choice of leader and still isn't.

However I support his policies.

I actually support the Party that's all, and as to the social policies, I support it proudly too.
Too many vulnerable people, sick and disabled, have been made to suffer unnecessarily under this vile government for too long.

No matter the jibes, sarcasm and fiction from the press, Labour has my full support.

Well said Joey. Down with cons!

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No.
He was never my choice of leader and still isn't.

However I support his policies.

I actually support the Party that's all, and as to the social policies, I support it proudly too.
Too many vulnerable people, sick and disabled, have been made to suffer unnecessarily under this vile government for too long.

No matter the jibes, sarcasm and fiction from the press, Labour has my full support.

people were sick, disabled and vulnerable during the last labour government and they did sod all to improve things

[Beso]

No.
He was never my choice of leader and still isn't.

However I support his policies.

I actually support the Party that's all, and as to the social policies, I support it proudly too.
Too many vulnerable people, sick and disabled, have been made to suffer unnecessarily under this vile government for too long.

No matter the jibes, sarcasm and fiction from the press, Labour has my full support.

Fair enough...but to call this government vile, as a staunch supporter of the labour party..makes you as big a hypocrite as the rest of the sorry mob on telly this week.:joker:

[Kizzy]

Sadly , they must work more hours

Why not just pay them more?

[Beso]

The best moment of today's events was corbyn leaving the arena being flanked by 20 flunkies holding arms in a ring if steal around him, one of them nearly fell.over one of the 2 camera men....it was very close at one point until the foyer opened out.

[joeysteele]

people were sick, disabled and vulnerable during the last labour government and they did sod all to improve things

Yes there were sick and disabled under Labour.

.Labour increased cold weather payments to £25 from £8+ the Cons had it at.

Labour brought in the winter fuel allowance.

Labour brought in the less than ideal pension credit but it was still something that helped the poorest pensioners.

Labour never froze benefit increases.

Labour brought in the minimum wage despite the Cons voting against it every step of the way.

Labour were wrong to bring in ATOS to carry out assessments of the sick and disabled but never put the humiliating, degrading testing criteria that the coalition did.

Where people with terminal cancer having to fight for benefits wrongly stopped, having to fight for months, then forced to be wheeled into court, then winning their case.
Too late for some of them.

The Labour Party never had the United Nations stating that as a government they'd acted against the human rights of the sick and disabled.

That adds up to a government being vile in my book.
Had Labour done that I'd have said they were vile too.

It's a disgrace.
I've been part of representing cases for people with motor neurone disease, having their benefit's stopped because they didn't go to an assessments centre, and the assessors wouldn't do a home assessment.

So to Parmnion too, don't call me a hypocrite.
Biased against the heartlessness and cruelty of this government I may proudly be, but I'm no hypocrite.

Frankly anyone who supports any government discriminating against people sick and disabled as this one has since 2011, astound me.

[Beso]

Yes there were sick and disabled under Labour.

.Labour increased cold weather payments to £25 from £8+ the Cons had it at.

Labour brought in the winter fuel allowance.

Labour brought in the less than ideal pension credit but it was still something that helped the poorest pensioners.

Labour never froze benefit increases.

Labour brought in the minimum wage despite the Cons voting against it every step of the way.

Labour were wrong to bring in ATOS to carry out assessments of the sick and disabled but never put the humiliating, degrading testing criteria that the coalition did.

Where people with terminal cancer having to fight for benefits wrongly stopped, having to fight for months, then forced to be wheeled into court, then winning their case.
Too late for some of them.

The Labour Party never had the United Nations stating that as a government they'd acted against the human rights of the sick and disabled.

That adds up to a government being vile in my book.
Had Labour done that I'd have said they were vile too.

It's a disgrace.
I've been part of representing cases for people with motor neurone disease, having their benefit's stopped because they didn't go to an assessments centre, and the assessors wouldn't do a home assessment.

So to Parmnion too, don't call me a hypocrite.
Biased against the heartlessness and cruelty of this government I may proudly be, but I'm no hypocrite.

Frankly anyone who supports any government discriminating against people sick and disabled as this one has since 2011, astound me.

The first five examples patronise all the sick and disabled people I know....so I stopped reading.:bawling:

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/A2kAGcFL3tmHKPpq7NXGBg/https/media.fyre.co/9oxQXpWiT7WQxBvZJm2o_daily%20tele.JPG

[joeysteele]

The first five examples patronise all the sick and disabled people I know....so I stopped reading.:bawling:

The truth hurts you then.

All that extra finance has helped hundreds of thousands of sick and disabled.
Poorest and pensioners.
Maybe you don't care about that but the vast majority of them do.

Nothing has been added to it by this lot.
In fact they've taken money off the sick and disabled.

Anyway fine, dismiss my post.
You're just a waste of my time.
Very sadly.

[Beso]

The truth hurts you then.

All that extra finance has helped hundreds of thousands of sick and disabled.
Maybe you don't care about that but the vast majority of them do.

Nothing has been added to it by this lot.
In fact they've taken money off the sick and disabled.

Anyway fine, dismiss my post.
You're just a waste of my time.
Very sadly.

You had no truth...the first five examples just proved you see sick and disabled people as poor people...the ones I know would slap your face for saying that.

[Twosugars]

The truth hurts you then.

All that extra finance has helped hundreds of thousands of sick and disabled.
Poorest and pensioners.
Maybe you don't care about that but the vast majority of them do.

Nothing has been added to it by this lot.
In fact they've taken money off the sick and disabled.

Anyway fine, dismiss my post.
You're just a waste of my time.
Very sadly.

Lol Joey. At least it will save you time in future

[Beso]

Lol Joey. At least it will save you time in future

You shouldn't laugh at a sad man, joey has stated he is upset.

[arista]

Why not just pay them more?


Not at this Time
the whole World of Trade is
not stable.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/YjpII-4toyXdwVffeh90zQ/https/media.fyre.co/fdOfvXWKQuGSqT47gLlq_guard.JPG

[Kizzy]

You had no truth...the first five examples just proved you see sick and disabled people as poor people...the ones I know would slap your face for saying that.

The first 5 examples were directed towards pensioners not the disabled as far as I can see.
I've no doubt you know some disabled people who function very well regardless, however you cannot seriously base the need for support on these few cases surely?

[joeysteele]

Lol Joey. At least it will save you time in future

It will indeed Twosugars.

Sometimes I feel I'm in a kindergarden here with the childish responses.

Actually, I take that back, there'd be more reason from younger children most likely.

All I said is what Labour put in place, that helped hundreds of thousands.

The problem for the other side, is in over 8 years, the Cons have done nothing to ease either physical or financial burdens on poorer pensioners or the sick and disabled.

In fact the Cons have only ADDED to those burdens.

There's people being left housebound having their mobility scooters taken off them.
Having to go to court after months and sometimes over a year of fighting the decision.
Winning their cases eventually after all the added stress and hardship.

That's what those anti Labour don't want to hear and just want to shut their eyes and ears to.

Really sad people they must be.

[The Slim Reaper]

It will indeed Twosugars.

Sometimes I feel I'm in a kindergarden here with the childish responses.

Actually, I take that back, there'd be more reason from younger children most likely.

All I said is what Labour put in place, that helped hundreds of thousands.

The problem for the other side, is in over 8 years, the Cons have done nothing to ease either physical or financial burdens on poorer pensioners or the sick and disabled.

In fact the Cons have only ADDED to those burdens.

There's people being left housebound having their mobility scooters taken off them.
Having to go to court after months and sometimes over a year of fighting the decision.
Winning their cases eventually after all the added stress and hardship.

That's what those anti Labour don't want to hear and just want to shut their eyes and ears to.

Really sad people they must be.

If folks acknowledge it, then they have to address or explain it. Far easier to to find a way to ignore it.

[Kizzy]

Scooters.. and have the disabled cluttering up the place demanding accessability and such nonsense! No, keep them housebound, out of sight out of mind then when there are more cuts the public won't care. Disabled people?.... what disabled people I don't see any!

[arista]

Today its The UK Labour Party Green New Deal

[Kizzy]

Not at this Time
the whole World of Trade is
not stable.

Profits are stable..

[arista]

Profits are stable..



Yes with Some
Others like Thomas Cook were running Billions in debt.

[joeysteele]

You had no truth...the first five examples just proved you see sick and disabled people as poor people...the ones I know would slap your face for saying that.

Funny that.

In my jjob I've only had the sick and disabled thank me for the help I and others, have provided to get those benefits robbed off them by this government back to them.

Never had one want to slap my face.
Thst just shows the lack of reason you represent.
Pathetic.

[arista]

Corbyn's Speech is Today now


As Tomorrow 11:30AM
Corbyn will be in Parliament.

[arista]

Corbyn is Live at 4PM
reports say.

[Glenn.]

All these pipe dreams lmao

[arista]

Yes Corbyn
just went over all the last 2017 script
updating all the PM problems

[Kizzy]

It was so much better than that,all the commentators said that the policies went much further than 2017... I'm loving it! Bye bye bojo!! :D

[joeysteele]

It was so much better than that,all the commentators said that the policies went much further than 2017... I'm loving it! Bye bye bojo!! :D

It was his finest since becoming leader.
Strong on content and delivery.

I'm no strong fan of Corbyn but he has made Labour real again and a true alternative.

All his policies are ones I can wholeheartedly support.

It was a very confident while not being arrogant with it speech.
Good one indeed and yes going much further than in 2017.

[Vanessa]

It was his finest since becoming leader.
Strong on content and delivery.

I'm no strong fan of Corbyn but he has made Labour real again and a true alternative.

All his policies are ones I can wholeheartedly support.

It was a very confident while not being arrogant with it speech.
Good one indeed and yes going much further than in 2017.

I think he would make a good pm.

[Kizzy]

Yes with Some
Others like Thomas Cook were running Billions in debt.

So why did the bosses award themselves bonuses running into millions?

[Alf]

Who are the vocal leavers in the Labour Party besides Kate Hoey?

[joeysteele]

I think he would make a good pm.

I agree.
I think he's worthy of the chance to see what he would do certainly.

Even moreso after the last 2 disastrous Prime Ministers

[MTVN]

Who are the vocal leavers in the Labour Party besides Kate Hoey?

Ronnie Campbell, Kevin Barron, Dennis Skinner. Gisela Stuart was big in the Leave campaign but no longer an MP and there's people like John Mann, Ian Austin and Frank Field who were always Labour MPs but have now left or been forced out of the party

There's also quite a few who were Remainers but represent strong Leave areas who want to respect the referendum like Caroline Flint and Stephen Kinnock

[bots]

if labour were to fight a GE tomorrow, they wouldn't be able to campaign on the basis of wanting to be in or out of the EU. With a polarised electorate, that has got to be the single worse position to take. The other issue they have is that everyone knows Corbyn wants to leave and is at odds with the major spokespeople in his party

[arista]

So why did the bosses award themselves bonuses running into millions?


Because they thought they could keep Borrowing
but then the UK Banks said NO More.

[arista]

Ronnie Campbell, Kevin Barron, Dennis Skinner. Gisela Stuart was big in the Leave campaign but no longer an MP and there's people like John Mann, Ian Austin and Frank Field who were always Labour MPs but have now left or been forced out of the party

There's also quite a few who were Remainers but represent strong Leave areas who want to respect the referendum like Caroline Flint and Stephen Kinnock


Yes John Mann Labour MP
wants Out of the EU
he stands by that solid.

[Kazanne]

Haven't Labour said they want to ban Ofsted ? has anyone got an answer to this ?

[Vanessa]

I agree.
I think he's worthy of the chance to see what he would do certainly.

Even moreso after the last 2 disastrous Prime Ministers

He can't be any worse that Boris :joker:

[arista]

He can't be any worse that Boris :joker:



The Problem
is, (Corbyn) he has terrible ratings
and will not call any election
until 31st of October has passed

[Kizzy]

Because they thought they could keep Borrowing
but then the UK Banks said NO More.

Nothing to do with banks... it was the govt they asked to bail out and it's ended up costing the public purse for repatriation. So the bosses keep their bonuses, the hedge fund bosses keep their money and the public pays out...again.
What has this to do with unions?

[arista]

Nothing to do with banks... it was the govt they asked to bail out and it's ended up costing the public purse for repatriation. So the bosses keep their bonuses, the hedge fund bosses keep their money and the public pays out...again.
What has this to do with unions?



Before it went Public
Kizzy
The Banks halted any more Loans (Thomas Cook)
Then they asked The Government.

[Kazanne]

He can't be any worse that Boris :joker:

Oh I think he can,lets see :laugh:get that election now, if he gets in fair play to him lets see what sort of job he does,lol

[Oliver_W]

What makes people think he'd be a good PM, he's not even a good Opposition Leader! He calls his Shadow Cabinet a "government in waiting" when it contains the universally mocked Dianne Abbott who is probably an android designed by the Tories, and be can't even get said Shadow Cabinet to follow the same line on Brexit.

[Kazanne]

What makes people think he'd be a good PM, he's not even a good Opposition Leader! He calls his Shadow Cabinet a "government in waiting" when it contains the universally mocked Dianne Abbott who is probably an android designed by the Tories, and be can't even get said Shadow Cabinet to follow the same line on Brexit.

He doesn't seem to know his arse from his elbow, can it get worse ?:laugh: of course if he gets in

[joeysteele]

He can't be any worse that Boris :joker:

He can Vanessa but only to the heartless hard-line Con supporters who'd support the Cons no matter who was leading the Cons.

However, to the vulnerable, sick and disabled, and as to social care.
As to hopefully returning and investing public service amenities back.

To ensure the NHS is now nurtured rather than run down, to be if not sold off, at least be part of a trading deal with the USA.

Just on those things alone he'd be better than most now from the Con party.
So definitely in my view, he'd be far better than Johnson in any shape or form.

[joeysteele]

He doesn't seem to know his arse from his elbow, can it get worse ?:laugh: of course if he gets in

You think a PM whose acted unlawfully. is a good PM.

Lord above help the UK.

Then again you don't agree with the 11 judges anyway it seems.
.
I dare bet all I have you would had it been Corbyn or Miiliband, or any other party leader condemned by the Supreme court however.

[Kizzy]

Before it went Public
Kizzy
The Banks halted any more Loans (Thomas Cook)
Then they asked The Government.

Yes and?...what has that to do with unions?

[Kizzy]

Haven't Labour said they want to ban Ofsted ? has anyone got an answer to this ?

A quick search would have helped but ok, they want inspections to go back to local authorities.

[Kizzy]

What makes people think he'd be a good PM, he's not even a good Opposition Leader! He calls his Shadow Cabinet a "government in waiting" when it contains the universally mocked Dianne Abbott who is probably an android designed by the Tories, and be can't even get said Shadow Cabinet to follow the same line on Brexit.

I like socialist policy. .. no party is 100% unified, Labour proud to be a 'broad church', your mocking is very telling, Diane Abbot is a well respected shadow minister.
I have more faith in Labour than the Conservatives going forward...especially with regard to brexit.

[Beso]

I like socialist policy. .. no party is 100% unified, Labour proud to be a 'broad church', your mocking is very telling, Diane Abbot is a well respected shadow minister.
I have more faith in Labour than the Conservatives going forward...especially with regard to brexit.

Diane abbot is an arsehole..

In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of £17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[85]......


How on earth can someone like her be respected.:shrug:

[Alf]

Yes John Mann Labour MP
wants Out of the EU
he stands by that solid.I've just give him a follow on Twitter, see what he's got to say.

[Kazanne]

You think a PM whose acted unlawfully. is a good PM.

Lord above help the UK.

Then again you don't agree with the 11 judges anyway it seems.
.
I dare bet all I have you would had it been Corbyn or Miiliband, or any other party leader condemned by the Supreme court however.

Joey , its really not worth falling out over , I never said I believed the debate about the judges I just put that opinion out there, lets be honest , they are ALL out for their own needs , they ALL lie ,and has the PM really broke any law if so what was it ? as no one seems to know ,as John major also did a similar thing but it was not taken to a court , anyway , just to say we have a differing opinion that is all , personally , imo, I don't think Corbyn would make any difference and I would not want him as PM , but he may do it , if he does, I will give him a chance which is more than what the PM has been afforded imo.:wavey:

[arista]

I've just give him a follow on Twitter, see what he's got to say.



He is a Solid MP

[Kazanne]

A quick search would have helped but ok, they want inspections to go back to local authorities.

Well anything can be thrown out there,even the internet info comes from somewhere, besides I asked on here as it seems to be the font of all knowledge :hehe:

[Twosugars]

Well anything can be thrown out there,even the internet info comes from somewhere, besides I asked on here as it seems to be the font of all knowledge :hehe:

Here we go again :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Joey , its really not worth falling out over , I never said I believed the debate about the judges I just put that opinion out there, lets be honest , they are ALL out for their own needs , they ALL lie ,and has the PM really broke any law if so what was it ? as no one seems to know ,as John major also did a similar thing but it was not taken to a court , anyway , just to say we have a differing opinion that is all , personally , imo, I don't think Corbyn would make any difference and I would not want him as PM , but he may do it , if he does, I will give him a chance which is more than what the PM has been afforded imo.:wavey:



He HAS broken a law.
The Attorney General has conceded that in Parliament today.

He abused his power in proroguing Parliament.
The court found him unlawful in doing so.

They went further in saying parliament should not have been and in fact was not prorogued at all.
That it was never legally prorogued.

It isn't just from now.
They found him unlawful doing it then when he did.

Of course he and his advisers have broken a law.

John Major did prorogue too.
Not for the length if time Johnson intended to.

Unlike you.
I would be saying that unreservedly about any party PM, not just this Con one.

If people cannot trust what a PM says and he/ she is found to have been deceitful and acting unlawfully.
That person should never hold the office of Prime Minister.
No matter who or what party they are from

He's been PM since July and has been found to have misled the Monarch and acted unlawfully.
He should lose any and every chance now.
Out of sheer decency alone.

[jet]

As for trust and decency, this is the man many here would prefer as PM.
Unbelievable.


The true extent of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell’s links with the IRA is revealed by a Telegraph investigation.
It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process………….

The disclosures are made after research by the Telegraph in archives in London, Oxford and Belfast.
They come after the Prime Minister, David Cameron, attacked Mr Corbyn last week as “terrorist-sympathising” and “Britain-hating.”
The new revelations were greeted with shock and disgust by victims and opponents of the IRA.
Lord Tebbit, whose wife, Margaret, was permanently crippled by the Brighton bomb, said: "It’s hard to think how Corbyn could sink any lower. It’s the classic definition of the snake’s belly. He betrays his hatred of democracy and his love of violence, which survives to this day.”.............

Between 1986 and 1992, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.
The programme for the 1987 event, on May 16 of that year, praises the “soldiers of the IRA,” saying: “We are proud of our people and the revolutionaries who are an integral part of that people.”

The programme for the 1988 event, on May 8 of that year, states that “in this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism… force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about.”
The event took place the day after the funerals of the service personnel killed by the IRA in the Netherlands.
Each programme includes a list of IRA “prisoners of war” who are to be honoured that year, including the Brighton bomber, Patrick Magee, and sectarian murderers.
The lists include their prisons and birthdays, with IRA supporters in the UK encouraged to send them birthday cards in jail.
Mr Corbyn typically spoke alongside senior figures from Sinn Fein, including Gerry Adams at the 1991 event, at which he attacked “British imperialism” and praised Bobby Sands, the IRA terrorist who died on hunger-strike.

In a telephone interview during the recent leadership campaign, Mr Corbyn was repeatedly asked by a BBC interviewer whether he condemned the murders by the IRA.
He five times refused to answer the question directly, saying: “I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides” before the line went dead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

The IRA killed thousands of innocent victims and injured ten times as many during their murderous campaign. Yet you would ignore all that, his immorality, his skewed principles, and have him as PM of this country. You people are a joke.

[Beso]

As for trust and decency, this is the man many here would prefer as PM.
Unbelievable.


The true extent of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell’s links with the IRA is revealed by a Telegraph investigation.
It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process………….

The disclosures are made after research by the Telegraph in archives in London, Oxford and Belfast.
They come after the Prime Minister, David Cameron, attacked Mr Corbyn last week as “terrorist-sympathising” and “Britain-hating.”
The new revelations were greeted with shock and disgust by victims and opponents of the IRA.
Lord Tebbit, whose wife, Margaret, was permanently crippled by the Brighton bomb, said: "It’s hard to think how Corbyn could sink any lower. It’s the classic definition of the snake’s belly. He betrays his hatred of democracy and his love of violence, which survives to this day.”.............

Between 1986 and 1992, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.
The programme for the 1987 event, on May 16 of that year, praises the “soldiers of the IRA,” saying: “We are proud of our people and the revolutionaries who are an integral part of that people.”

The programme for the 1988 event, on May 8 of that year, states that “in this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism… force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about.”
The event took place the day after the funerals of the service personnel killed by the IRA in the Netherlands.
Each programme includes a list of IRA “prisoners of war” who are to be honoured that year, including the Brighton bomber, Patrick Magee, and sectarian murderers.
The lists include their prisons and birthdays, with IRA supporters in the UK encouraged to send them birthday cards in jail.
Mr Corbyn typically spoke alongside senior figures from Sinn Fein, including Gerry Adams at the 1991 event, at which he attacked “British imperialism” and praised Bobby Sands, the IRA terrorist who died on hunger-strike.

In a telephone interview during the recent leadership campaign, Mr Corbyn was repeatedly asked by a BBC interviewer whether he condemned the murders by the IRA.
He five times refused to answer the question directly, saying: “I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides” before the line went dead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11924431/Revealed-Jeremy-Corbyn-and-John-McDonnells-close-IRA-links.html

The IRA killed thousands of innocent victims and injured ten times as many during their murderous campaign. Yet you would ignore all that, his immorality, his skewed principles, and have him as PM of this country. You people are a joke.




All backed by the wonderfully respectable shadow home secrataty as well at the time.

[jet]

All backed by the wonderfully respectable shadow home secrataty as well at the time.

Indeed....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abbott-declared-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk

Diane Abbott backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal, The Sunday Times has found.
Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”
The interview was found during research by The Sunday Times in Irish and republican archives.......
And.....
The same files disclose that the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, personally led or took part in at least 72 separate events or actions with Sinn Fein and pro-republican groups during the years of the IRA’s armed struggle — far more than previously known.
These included a petition to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

Lovely, decent, trustworthy people, these current Labour worthies. :devil:
Britian will be in safe hands with them, eh?

[Twosugars]

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

[jet]

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

Your response is telling.

[Twosugars]

Your response is telling.

Out of arguments then are we

[Oliver_W]

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

That was conservative voters rather than front benchers though, right?

[jet]

Out of arguments then are we

Brexit can't cause an end to peace. The responsibilty will lie with those who use guns and bombs to kill and maim innocent people once again. There is NO excuse for that.
But you didn't comment on Corbyns actions, did you? Nothing to say about that?

[Twosugars]

That was conservative voters rather than front benchers though, right?

So?

Many in britain believe ireland is irish and british presence in northern ireland is a remnant of colonialism
IRA was not the first or last organization's who fought for independence with violent means.

I dont approve of terrorism but if you condemn them, condemn most of independence seeking organizations including founders of israel, the Kurdish. Even polish armed uprisings during partitions of poland.

Luckily reason prevailed and we have peace.

[Oliver_W]

So?


What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

[Twosugars]

Brexit can't cause an end to peace. The responsibilty will lie with those who use guns and bombs to kill and maim innocent people once again. There is NO excuse for that.
But you didn't comment on Corbyns actions, did you? Nothing to say about that?

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

[Twosugars]

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

Thatcher supported Pinochet and apartheid
And yet they put up her statues

[jet]

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

So the IRA atrocities were Britains fault and will be again. I see. I assume then that you didn't comment on the pieces about Corbyn and the IRA because you agree with him because their murders of innocent men, women and children were Britains fault. Got it.

[Twosugars]

So the IRA atrocities were Britains fault and will be again. I see. I assume then that you didn't comment on the pieces about Corbyn and the IRA because you agree with him because their murders of innocent men, women and children were Britains fault. Got it.

Indirectly only.
The situation is not that clear cut bc half the population wants to stay with Britain.
IRA and loyalist terror have never been something i approved of but whether we like it or not, it happened.

As to politicians and their views, not going to condemn some but not others.
Even the current government supports murderous regimes across the world

My personal view is those you quoted wouldn't say the same thing now.

[jet]

Indirectly only.
The situation is not that clear cut bc half the population wants to stay with Britain.
IRA and loyalist terror have never been something i approved of but whether we like it or not, it happened.

As to politicians and their views, not going to condemn some but not others.
Even the current government supports murderous regimes across the world

My personal view is those you quoted wouldn't say the same thing now.



I'm talking about an individual, not a government.
I've never heard of a British or Irish leader of the country speaking at a terrorist rally even once, never mind over 70 times, have you? I've never seen them, photographed heads close together, whispering with a terrorist commander, like Corbyn? I've never heard of them attending terrorist funerals either. If I did, I would outrigt condemn them and I certainly wouldn't want them as my PM. Do you condemn Corbyn for what he did?

[joeysteele]

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

On your first points.
It will, and it will be Britain's fault.

Your second point, it will indeed sadly.

Your last point, it is never the answer and to even risk it returning and increasing is reckless.

[jet]

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

Exactly. Corbyn fans pretend not to be fans yet will twist and turn to avoid condemning his actions. They forget morals, decency and human suffering in their eagerness to brush it all off by the much used word here - 'whataboutery'.
It's disgusting.

[jet]

On your first points.
It will, and it will be Britain's fault.

Your second point, it will indeed sadly.

Your last point, it is never the answer and to even risk it returning and increasing is reckless.

You, Corbyn and Diane are like three little peas in a pod. Awwww....

[Kizzy]

Diane abbot is an arsehole..

In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of £17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[85]......


How on earth can someone like her be respected.:shrug:
I could list every MP from here to Glasgow that's had an expenses related issue, are they all arse holes?
In that case as it was a tv appearance and not a gift, trip or speech I would say it was an oversight, but as it's Diane Abbot it will of course be made out to be something other. :/

[Kizzy]

Well anything can be thrown out there,even the internet info comes from somewhere, besides I asked on here as it seems to be the font of all knowledge :hehe:

It was reported from labour conference that only concluded yesterday. Who on here at the moment is the font of all knowledge? No oracles about that I can see thankfully, we are all free to safely draw our own conclusions. :)

[Beso]

I could list every MP from here to Glasgow that's had an expenses related issue, are they all arse holes?
In that case as it was a tv appearance and not a gift, trip or speech I would say it was an oversight, but as it's Diane Abbot it will of course be made out to be something other. :/

She also had to give back just under 2 grand she was paid for speaking to students....to students fgs....

An oversight you say....well sorry but I wouldn't be praising someone who forgets to declare money as many times as it took her to get to 17 grand...

Sounds a bit Grabby, greedy and dishonest if you ask me...not someone that should be praised as a shadow home secretary...then of course you have her comments on the IRA, her hypocrisy surrounding public schools...the lust is pretty long. ..far far too long for someone to be praised or respected as a politician.:joker:


Also her comments regarding white mothers not wanting or going all out as much for thier children as black mothers do..makes her racist imom

[Twosugars]

I'm talking about an individual, not a government.
I've never heard of a British or Irish leader of the country speaking at a terrorist rally even once, never mind over 70 times, have you? I've never seen them, photographed heads close together, whispering with a terrorist commander, like Corbyn? I've never heard of them attending terrorist funerals either. If I did, I would outrigt condemn them and I certainly wouldn't want them as my PM. Do you condemn Corbyn for what he did?


You confuse me for a fan of Corbyn :laugh:
I support Labour, broadly.

I do condemn him for supporting terrorism, but not independent Ireland.

Do you condemn loyalist terrorism? Do you condemn injustices of centuries long British occupation?

I still want labour government though.

[Kazanne]

The only people who are responsible for killings and maiming are the persons that pick up the weapons or lay the bombs, too easy to blame government bodies, we should take responsibilty for our own actions ,its always a blame game now.

[joeysteele]

You, Corbyn and Diane are like three little peas in a pod. Awwww....

Oh grow up, with respect.
I've really nothing to say to you.
I've said it all before in so many threads to you now from long ago.

I can't and won't even try to reason with the unreasonable.

[joeysteele]

The only people who are responsible for killings and maiming are the persons that pick up the weapons or lay the bombs, too easy to blame government bodies, we should take responsibilty for our own actions ,its always a blame game now.

Here we can agree Kazanne.
Well said.

Outside of war that is.

Although I do blame Blair and his government that supported it for the atrocities in Iraq.

Which is why I fear a no deal brexit and anything like a separatist scenario as to a border in N Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Which no government needs to do by bringing in a hard no deal brexit.

No excuses should be provided for those you list at the start of your post to start violence again.

[jet]

You confuse me for a fan of Corbyn :laugh:
I support Labour, broadly.

I do condemn him for supporting terrorism, but not independent Ireland.

Do you condemn loyalist terrorism? Do you condemn injustices of centuries long British occupation?

I still want labour government though.

Of course I condemn loyalist terrorism. I condemn injustices of British occupation of long ago...but that is not the fault of anyone alive today so those thousands of innocent victims should not have been made to suffer.

I couldn't vote for a government whose leaders actions and views (like his dodginess surrounding anti semitism) disgusted me in the way Corbyn's does, no.
I'm from N. Ireland and my party of choice here is the SDLP. Unfortunately they no longer have any elected reps in the Commons.

[Twosugars]

Of course I condemn loyalist terrorism. I condemn injustices of British occupation of long ago...but that is not the fault of anyone alive today so those thousands of innocent victims should not have been made to suffer.

I couldn't vote for a government whose leaders actions and views (like his dodginess surrounding anti semitism) disgusted me in the way Corbyn's does, no.
I'm from N. Ireland and my party of choice here is the SDLP. Unfortunately they no longer have any elected reps in the Commons.

I like them too. Trimble did a lot for peace.
I hope they get stronger again

[jet]

Oh grow up, with respect.
I've really nothing to say to you.
I've said it all before in so many threads to you now from long ago.

I can't and won't even try to reason with the unreasonable.

I just made a comment that amused me. I don't usually respond to you as I find your posts or writing style hard work so don't really read them, sorry.

[jet]

I like them too. Trimble did a lot for peace.
I hope they get stronger again

Trimble was the Unionist leader. John Hume was the SDLP leader, he was my hero. They jointly won the Nobel Peace Prize for their great contributions to the peace.

[Twosugars]

Trimble was the Unionist leader. John Hume was the SDLP leader, he was my hero. They jointly won the Nobel Peace Prize for their great contributions to the peace.

Oop sorry I meant Hume. Always get them mixed up

[Twosugars]

So you are pro reunification Jet
The way you write I thought you were a unionist

[jet]

So you are pro reunification Jet
The way you write I thought you were a unionist

I'm not for or against reunification (I'm from a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage so I was kind of brought up to see both sides). I'm for democracy and
what the majority of the population want, I don't really care. What I am against is violence to acheive those aims and anyone who sympathised with the murderers.
I lived through the horror and heartbreak of it all at close quarters. Many who wanted a united ireland through peaceful means don't want it any more because the IRA killed too many of their own kind indiscriminately to get their way. It's still complicated.

[joeysteele]

I just made a comment that amused me. I don't usually respond to you as I find your posts or writing style hard work so don't really read them, sorry.

I must make sure I keep my posts and writing style hard work then.
I'm over the moon they put you off.
I thank all the powers that be for that.

[Toy Soldier]

I must make sure I keep my posts and writing style hard work then.

I'm over the moon they put you off.

I thank all the powers that be for that.:joker:

[Alf]

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red flag flying here.

[jet]

I must make sure I keep my posts and writing style hard work then.
I'm over the moon they put you off.
I thank all the powers that be for that.

That's great. Thanks! :thumbs:

[joeysteele]

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red flag flying here.

IF Johnson really wants an election and a no confidence vote.
Plus IF he really believes he'd win an election and that no way would parliament now install Corbyn as PM.

Why doesn't Johnson present a vote of no confidence himself.
He can.

That was ruled out by the Cons.

He doesn't really want an election, his own Party's private polling will be showing him.
No overall majority is likely.
In fact he would lose ground.

All he'd achieve is replacing a hung parliament, with an even greater hung parliament.

He'd be the largest Party but he knows the pitfalls.
That's why he won't hold a no confidence vote himself.

Nothing cowardly or traitorous at all, the Parties all just know until brexit has moved to the next stage.
Any chance of an overall majority is unlikely.

This parliament was only elected 2 years ago.
A year after the referendum.
This Parliament is the one speaking with the latest publicly voted voice

[Alf]

So what did they come up with at this conference?

Hold a second referendum
Abolish private Schools
Extend free movement
Allow non-UK nationals to vote in UK elections

I just can't see this selling.

[joeysteele]

So what did they come up with at this conference?

Hold a second referendum
Abolish private Schools
Extend free movement
Allow non-UK nationals to vote in UK elections

I just can't see this selling.



This isn't the manifesto yet Alf.

However, you may be surprised that it may not be greeted with the disdain you have.

However there's nothing cowardly or treacherous in any of those things.
Nothing at all.

[Kizzy]

She also had to give back just under 2 grand she was paid for speaking to students....to students fgs....

An oversight you say....well sorry but I wouldn't be praising someone who forgets to declare money as many times as it took her to get to 17 grand...

Sounds a bit Grabby, greedy and dishonest if you ask me...not someone that should be praised as a shadow home secretary...then of course you have her comments on the IRA, her hypocrisy surrounding public schools...the lust is pretty long. ..far far too long for someone to be praised or respected as a politician.:joker:


Also her comments regarding white mothers not wanting or going all out as much for thier children as black mothers do..makes her racist imom
She made many tv appearances, wasn't she a regular on 'this week' with portillo?

I can see you have an irrational dislike for her so I'll leave it there.

[Alf]

IF Johnson really wants an election and a no confidence vote.
Plus IF he really believes he'd win an election and that no way would parliament now install Corbyn as PM.

Why doesn't Johnson present a vote of no confidence himself.
He can.

That was ruled out by the Cons.

He doesn't really want an election, his own Party's private polling will be showing him.
No overall majority is likely.
In fact he would lose ground.

All he'd achieve is replacing a hung parliament, with an even greater hung parliament.

He'd be the largest Party but he knows the pitfalls.
That's why he won't hold a no confidence vote himself.

Nothing cowardly or traitorous at all, the Parties all just know until brexit has moved to the next stage.
Any chance of an overall majority is unlikely.

This parliament was only elected 2 years ago.
A year after the referendum.
This Parliament is the one speaking with the latest publicly voted voiceI didn't say anybody was Cowardly or a traitor, I was just singing "The Red flag" to end the conference, comrade.

[Niamh.]

I'm not for or against reunification (I'm from a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage so I was kind of brought up to see both sides). I'm for democracy and
what the majority of the population want, I don't really care. What I am against is violence to acheive those aims and anyone who sympathised with the murderers.
I lived through the horror and heartbreak of it all at close quarters. Many who wanted a united ireland through peaceful means don't want it any more because the IRA killed too many of their own kind indiscriminately to get their way. It's still complicated.

It seems like it's too far down the road for a united Ireland imo Have you been watching that Spotlight Documentary Jet?

[joeysteele]

I didn't say anybody was Cowardly or a traitor, I was just singing "The Red flag" to end the conference, comrade.

I picked your post up there all wrong then Alf.
I was completely wrong.

My unreserved apologies to you for that and misrepresenting your intention.
Sorry.

[Kizzy]

I wonder what would happen here, if a hard border went up, the military killed some unarmed protesters, interred people without charge, convicted people without evidence?

What would we do?

[jet]

I wonder what would happen here, if a hard border went up, the military killed some unarmed protesters, interred people without charge, convicted people without evidence?

What would we do?

Kill thousands of innocent people and maim tens of thousands more that had nothing to do with it in revenge?
That was the terrorists answer. Are you sympathising with them here?

[jet]

It seems like it's too far down the road for a united Ireland imo Have you been watching that Spotlight Documentary Jet?

Not yet, I have it recorded but haven't been in the right frame of mind to watch it yet. Too many bad memories. :worry:

[Niamh.]

Not yet, I have it recorded but haven't been in the right frame of mind to watch it yet. Too many bad memories. :worry:

I can imagine, it's really upsetting, I've watched the first two as I have to wait for it to be uploaded to youtube because I don't have BBC NI or BBC4.

[Kizzy]

Kill thousands of innocent people and maim tens of thousands more that had nothing to do with it in revenge?
That was the terrorists answer. Are you sympathising with them here?

I just posed a question jet, if what happened there happened here what would we have done?

[arista]

I can imagine, it's really upsetting, I've watched the first two as I have to wait for it to be uploaded to youtube because I don't have BBC NI or BBC4.


Are they Blocked Online
For you?

[Niamh.]

Are they Blocked Online
For you?

They're geoblocked on BBC player yeah but someone is uploading the shows on youtube anyway, so it's grand

[arista]

They're geoblocked on BBC player yeah but someone is uploading the shows on youtube anyway, so it's grand


Yes Good YouTube is Free

[jet]

I just posed a question jet, if what happened there happened here what would we have done?

Do you think I came up the Lagan on a bubble Kizzy?
It was clear what you were getting at, your past posts on the subject speak volumes.
Just say what you mean instead of concealing your one - sided sympathies behind a lot of imaginary nonsense.

[Kizzy]

Do you think I came up the Lagan on a bubble Kizzy?
It was clear what you were getting at, your past posts on the subject speak volumes.
Just say what you mean instead of concealing your one - sided sympathies behind a lot of imaginary nonsense.

I can't make it any clearer, what do you think would have been the outcome if what happened in Ireland happened in England...or Scotland for that matter?

[jet]

I can't make it any clearer, what do you think would have been the outcome if what happened in Ireland happened in England...or Scotland for that matter?

There is enough going on without thinking about imaginary diversionary 'what -if' scenarios.