Greta Thunberg

[LaLaLand]

What’s your opinion on her stance as an “activist”?

I see people are mostly divided on her across social media, some are calling her a saviour whereas others are saying she’s basically an attention seeker or being used to push an agenda.

I wondered what you guys thought of the work she’s been doing lately. She’s definitely made a huge impact! :shrug:

Personal attacks on her (as seen across various media platforms recently) are not welcome! I’m talking about her current stance and buzz as an activist. Let’s keep this nice and mature. Thanks guys.

[Oliver_W]

I see people are mostly divided on her across social media, some are calling her a saviour whereas others are saying she’s basically an attention seeker.
Somewhere in the middle.

One of my only strong political convictions is protecting the environment and keeping our green spaces, and my fellow travellers on that issue are mostly "exceptional individuals" who block roads and planes, and give me collective embarrassment. So to see someone who's actually addressing the issues in a serious and constructive way is great.

I don't really understand how she gets some people riled up.

[bots]

i think the fact that so many people have resorted to bullying tactics toward her means that she has been effective in what she set out to achieve. If her message were not getting across, people would just ignore her.

If someone has a valid point to make, it doesn't matter what age they are, what background they come from. You always know when people resort to personal attacks, they have lost the argument

[Alf]

Currently suffering from child abuse at the hands of her parents. Maybe not physically, but she's most certainly being used.

[Alf]

i think the fact that so many people have resorted to bullying tactics toward her means that she has been effective in what she set out to achieve. If her message were not getting across, people would just ignore her.

If someone has a valid point to make, it doesn't matter what age they are, what background they come from. You always know when people resort to personal attacks, they have lost the argumentShe's 16 not 6.

You can't just call people bullies because they disagree with somebody politically.

But it does prove my point that she's being used, used to push other people's message, with the get out clause that any criticism can be brushed away by turning it on the critic, using the child excuse.

Dirty, dirty tactics.

[bots]

She's 16 not 6.

You can't just call people bullies because they disagree with somebody politically.

But it does prove my point that she's being used, used to push other people's message, with the get out clause that any criticism can be brushed away by turning it on the critic, using the child excuse.

Dirty, dirty tactics.

and you have just proven the point about losing the argument. Lets not deal with the topic she is discussing, lets get personal.

[Ammi]

...(..so sorry...)...I’m really not entirely comfortable with this, with so much online bullying and how it impacts on people...she’s a child...opinions on her thoughts and words as an activist is one thing...but personal opinions about a child...?...

[Kazanne]

i think the fact that so many people have resorted to bullying tactics toward her means that she has been effective in what she set out to achieve. If her message were not getting across, people would just ignore her.

If someone has a valid point to make, it doesn't matter what age they are, what background they come from. You always know when people resort to personal attacks, they have lost the argument

I agree with this, you know when you have hit the nail on the head when people get riled up .

[Alf]

and you have just proven the point about losing the argument. Lets not deal with the topic she is discussing, lets get personal.I spent most of yesterday on this forum talking about the topic. Go into the thread and debate me on it if you want.

[bots]

I spent most of yesterday on this forum talking about the topic. Go into the thread and debate me on it if you want.

i read what you had to say. How about you provide some scientific verified facts that disprove her arguments rather than try and personally attack her.

[Alf]

i read what you had to say. How about you provide some scientific verified facts that disprove her arguments rather than try and personally attack her.How about she provides proof, instead of crying and telling people how bad they are?

[bots]

How about she provides proof, instead of crying and telling people how bad they are?

you just can't help yourself can you

[Alf]

i read what you had to say. How about you provide some scientific verified facts that disprove her arguments rather than try and personally attack her.And I'm not attacking her, I'm the only one in this thread who seems concerned about her, I'm the one who's trying to bring to light that she's being used and abused by all this.

[Alf]

you just can't help yourself can youNo, I won't bite my tongue, because I'm not a coward.

[AnnieK]

No, I won't bite my tongue, because I'm not a coward.

Surely that's what she's doing.though? Not biting her tongue.you can see she genuinely believes what she is saying. I think she's pretty inspiring for the younger generation, her biggest critics seemed to be older climate change cynics.

Anything that creates positive change in the environment can surely only be a good thing.

[Alf]

Surely that's what she's doing.though? Not biting her tongue.you can see she genuinely believes what she is saying. I think she's pretty inspiring for the younger generation, her biggest critics seemed to be older climate change cynics.

Anything that creates positive change in the environment can surely only be a good thing.She's being used to do it on behalf of adults, who want this political message pushing.

[LaLaLand]

...(..so sorry...)...I’m really not entirely comfortable with this, with so much online bullying and how it impacts on people...she’s a child...opinions on her thoughts and words as an activist is one thing...but personal opinions about a child...?...

That’s what I mean Ammi, opinions on her “work” and as a public figure and the impact she’s having as she’s such a polarising figure. Nothing personal intended at all, or at least I’d HOPE.

Hope that clarifies. :shrug:

Let’s leave anything personal towards her out of this please guys and just stick to your thoughts on “HER IMPACT”! :love:

[Alf]

Would you put your child on a World stage to push a Political message that you know is gonna get challenged.

Would you?

[Alf]

It's child abuse plain and simple. And if you're gonna go around calling people bullies for be critical, then I'm gonna call you child abuse supporters.

[LaLaLand]

i think the fact that so many people have resorted to bullying tactics toward her means that she has been effective in what she set out to achieve. If her message were not getting across, people would just ignore her.

If someone has a valid point to make, it doesn't matter what age they are, what background they come from. You always know when people resort to personal attacks, they have lost the argument

I couldn’t agree more honestly.

[MTVN]

I know most people don't like him and it might be controversial but I completely agree with what Piers Morgan wrote yesterday:

On the science, I agree with her: climate change is a very real and present threat and our world leaders must all do more to combat it.

But her end-of-the-world-is-nigh ranting rhetoric is terrifying millions of young people to an extent that eco-anxiety is massively increasing as a stress disorder.

To put it bluntly, Greta’s made almost her entire generation think they’re about to die.

And she doesn’t really have any answers for what they can do about it.

Asked by a journalist from The Atlantic this week what young people like her should actually DO to combat climate change, she replied: ‘They can do everything. There are so many ways to make a difference.’

Sure, but specifically what?

When pressed, she suggested joining an activist movement and if you’re old enough, voting.

Well yes, that much is obvious.
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She also, yesterday, came over as extremely vulnerable, emotionally unstable, and possibly psychologically damaged by her year of campaigning.

This should hardly surprise anyone who knows her background.

Greta first got worried about climate change when she was just eight years old, and expressed shock that adults didn’t appear to be taking it seriously enough.

It led to her suffering a deep depression when she was 11, saw her stop eating for two months, and going to school, and then stop speaking to everyone bar her family and one teacher.

It was around that time that she was diagnosed with Aspergers, obsessive compulsive disorder and selective mutism.

Her obsession compulsion was the environment.

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So Greta’s now been propelled into the stratosphere of global superstardom, but at what cost to her mental health and wellbeing?

Certainly, if she was my daughter, I’d want to protect her now, not keep throwing her to the wolves of divisive global scrutiny and criticism.

And that raises another problem – Greta’s parents, and their motivation for all this.

They both craved the kind of fame their daughter now enjoys – mother Malena is a well-known Swedish singer who entered the Eurovision song contest in 2009 (she came 21st), and father Svante is an actor.

It’s widely suspected that it was Malena who initially tipped off the media about her daughter’s school strike campaign, with the help of green activist Ingmar Rentzhog who made millions for his firm We Don’t Have Time from the subsequent publicity blitz after Greta joined his youth advisory board.

Coincidentally, or perhaps not, Malena had just written a book about her family including Greta, that’s now become a bestseller.

Greta’s dad says he doesn’t like her missing school but insists: ‘We respect that she wants to make a stand. She can either sit at home and be really unhappy, or protest, and be happy.’

The problem is she doesn’t look remotely happy now.

Instead, Greta Thunberg looks miserable, terrified, vulnerable and lonely; a teenage girl on the spectrum who can’t deal with what is exploding around her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7498719/PIERS-MORGAN-Gretas-young-drama-queen-Trump-stop-mocking-start-listening.html

[bots]

that may well all be true MTVN, but don't you see it for what it is, a method of completely undermining her.

So, she doesn't have the answers to correct the worlds ills, are we really saying that negates her point?

If she is concerned about the environment and it is backed up by scientific research, what possible relation is there to her mother appearing in eurovision and her father being an actor.

She has become a focal point. What it should do is concentrate minds on the issue, not on how many people she talked to at school etc etc etc etc

[Alf]

I know most people don't like him and it might be controversial but I completely agree with what Piers Morgan wrote yesterday:"Greta first got worried at 8 years old" I wonder if her political activist parents played any part in that? At 8 years old, my parents bought me He-man action figures to play with.

[MTVN]

that may well all be true MTVN, but don't you see it for what it is, a method of completely undermining her.

So, she doesn't have the answers to correct the worlds ills, are we really saying that negates her point?

If she is concerned about the environment and it is backed up by scientific research, what possible relation is there to her mother appearing in eurovision and her father being an actor.

She has become a focal point. What it should do is concentrate minds on the issue, not on how many people she talked to at school etc etc etc etc

Well I'm not sure that the extremity of her position is backed up by the science and quite honestly I don't think kids should be aspiring to that fundamentalist view of environmentalist action where they think economies shouldn't be growing, families should never take holidays, kids should skip school to strike etc. Nor should it be forgotten that the world has taken big steps in fighting climate change recently despite all the cries of 'you're not doing anything' because countries won't sign up to completely unrealistic targets

[MTVN]

This is also a good thread on it:

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[Kazanne]

I know most people don't like him and it might be controversial but I completely agree with what Piers Morgan wrote yesterday:

After hearing some details about her now,I agree with that article.:wavey:

[Kizzy]

How about she provides proof, instead of crying and telling people how bad they are?

She is pleading with people to listen to scientists. . They have the answers not her, not corporations and not governments.

You say she's 16 not 6... That's true therefore she is, in the eyes if the law 24 months away from being an adult.. would you not expect then someone on the precipice of adulthood to have formulated some idea of what she makes of the world around her?

I know it's unusual for a person her age to not be absorbed by other interests, music, youtube influencers, animals, boys, make up... But everyone is different, her passions lie elsewhere, I don't see her telling anyone how 'bad' they are, all she is doing is raising awareness... how can that be a bad thing?

What she says isn't wrong I find it hard to believe how anyone could disagree with her message as it's very simple, is it some dislike being advised to educate themselves by someone young and female?

I think she's wonderful, I worry for her though as seeing the video of her she does appear to have the weight of the world on her shoulders, and we all need to share the load.

[Amy Jade]

I think it's great somebody so young is taking a stand. At 16 all I cared about was make up.

I think it's pretty horrible to call her parents abusive though, sure they will have had a hand in what she has become but no more than say a farmer wanting their kids to carry on their legacy.

[user104658]

Neither, and a bit of both. Obviously calling her a "saviour" is gross hyperbole and nonsense but I believe she has good intentions. Also, I don't think she "came into being" as something to be used to push an agenda, but she is NOW being used to push an agenda by certain parties who - to be frank - I doubt have much concern for her personal wellbeing, or the effect that being used as a "poster child" will have on her long term.

[Shaun]

Pretty much a great embodiment of exasperated disgust/frustration with the state of the world atm. Power to her.

[arista]

Pretty much a great embodiment of exasperated disgust/frustration with the state of the world atm. Power to her.

You mean her Backers
she is not alone



Her Backers are BONKERS

[Kizzy]

Piers morgan. .. in his inimitable mocking tone asserts she is correct in everything she says then accuses her of being a drama queen. Him! He has made a living from being a drama queen with his rude obnoxious outbursts on any given topic he annoints himself as oracle of.

He is concerned that other children might worry the planet is under threat?. Good! That's the whole point you right wing windbag!
If children have worries educate them... Dont shoot the messenger, have blinkers done your generation any good piers? No.
The right wing commentators will of course be circling this in order to dilute the strength of feeling as change will result in reduced profits for vested interests . The faux handwringing that he has any interest in her mental health is laughable, it's attitudes like his that promote others to target her with abuse, this 'caring' article? Transparent.

[Twosugars]

She is a sign of things to come. Environment is the next big battleground.
Activism will only get bigger and actions like we witnessed this year more frequent.
Young generations have woken to the fact they will inherit this mess and demand action.
Welcome to the future

[smudgie]

Neither, and a bit of both. Obviously calling her a "saviour" is gross hyperbole and nonsense but I believe she has good intentions. Also, I don't think she "came into being" as something to be used to push an agenda, but she is NOW being used to push an agenda by certain parties who - to be frank - I doubt have much concern for her personal wellbeing, or the effect that being used as a "poster child" will have on her long term.

This really.

[Withano]

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[Alf]

Just look at the video of her speech and ask yourself a question, does that look like a happy 16 year old child? Because to me it doesn't, and none of this what she's being put through is necessary, it doesn't need to happen.

My advice would be stop cheering her on and be a bit more concerned for her well being and why she's being pushed out there by her parents.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

[user104658]

I actually agree with you (somewhat), Alf.

The message she has is important and so is climate change awareness, but the level of attention she's getting at 16 years old from her detractors AND her supporters is not going to be in any way healthy. I'm not sure many people are giving much thought to her personal wellbeing, I don't think it's going to end well for her in terms of her mental health as an adult, and it all leaves me feeling very uneasy.

I also agree that if she was saying these things at 8 years old, it's extremely unlikely (in fact, impossible) that these were her own reasoned thoughts and not parroting of an adult... which is indoctrination... even if everything they were telling her is 100% correct.

So yeah... it's a good cause - but I think she's being used. Maybe unintentionally by those close to her, they were just "sharing their views" and she took to them very strongly, but it's certainly intentional by the various climate change movements using her to draw attention to the cause. It's cynical.

[Kizzy]

Just look at the video of her speech and ask yourself a question, does that look like a happy 16 year old child? Because to me it doesn't, and none of this what she's being put through is necessary, it doesn't need to happen.

My advice would be stop cheering her on and be a bit more concerned for her well being and why she's being pushed out there by her parents.

But what do I know? I know nothing.

What's there to be happy about? . Even people who know nothing (your words) are against what she stands for simply because she's standing for it, and not doing nothing.

[Beso]

Poor girl would be better at school..

[user104658]

Oh also, for anyone saying she's practically an adult at 16 years old, I *fundamentally* disagree. I know that "in the eyes of the law!" she would be at 18, but even then, there's a huge difference between 16 and 18... and also... I personally am hesitant to describe anyone under the age of 21 as "an adult" in any meaningful way which makes her not even CLOSE to adulthood.

[Kizzy]

I actually agree with you (somewhat), Alf.

The message she has is important and so is climate change awareness, but the level of attention she's getting at 16 years old from her detractors AND her supporters is not going to be in any way healthy. I'm not sure many people are giving much thought to her personal wellbeing, I don't think it's going to end well for her in terms of her mental health as an adult, and it all leaves me feeling very uneasy.


I also agree that if she was saying these things at 8 years old, it's extremely unlikely (in fact, impossible) that these were her own reasoned thoughts and not parroting of an adult... which is indoctrination... even if everything they were telling her is 100% correct.

So yeah... it's a good cause - but I think she's being used. Maybe unintentionally by those close to her, they were just "sharing their views" and she took to them very strongly, but it's certainly intentional by the various climate change movements using her to draw attention to the cause. It's cynical.

As a father if a child on the autistic spectrum would you not agree with the parents when they explain that when she is home alone she is miserable and when speaking as an activist motivated?

She is not an average child however this issue has engaged her, and it's a positive one. Yes there is some emotion attached that's to be expected, I'm sure there is plenty of emotional support for Greta.. What's the alternative now, go home and back in her room? This new tactic of 'concern' as a way to promote her silence on this issue I find disturbing.

Not from yourself obviously but as a way to see her as 'less than' .. less than able to cope emotionally, apart from her heartfelt delivery there is nothing to suggest she isn't handling this media driven circus very well. All her responses to detractors, reporters and respective government representatives have been perfectly sensible and above all rational.

[Alf]

As a father if a child on the autistic spectrum would you not agree with the parents when they explain that when she is home alone she is miserable and when speaking as an activist motivated?

She is not an average child however this issue has engaged her, and it's a positive one. Yes there is some emotion attached that's to be expected, I'm sure there is plenty of emotional support for Greta.. What's the alternative now, go home and back in her room? This new tactic of 'concern' as a way to promote her silence on this issue I find disturbing.

Not from yourself obviously but as a way to see her as 'less than' .. less than able to cope emotionally, apart from her heartfelt delivery there is nothing to suggest she isn't handling this media driven circus very well. All her responses to detractors, reporters and respective government representatives have been perfectly sensible and above all rational.It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

[Kizzy]

Oh also, for anyone saying she's practically an adult at 16 years old, I *fundamentally* disagree. I know that "in the eyes of the law!" she would be at 18, but even then, there's a huge difference between 16 and 18... and also... I personally am hesitant to describe anyone under the age of 21 as "an adult" in any meaningful way which makes her not even CLOSE to adulthood.

I'm very aware of that, and I in no way said you were practically an adult at 16...however I think it is important to highlight that there are teens that are more than aware socially, environmentally and politically, there are many under 21yr olds that would balk at the suggestion they don't have the capacity to interact in a meaningful way... Look at SNP Mahari Black an MP at 20, was she unable to form a worldview at 16?
I don't think it serves any purpose to dumb young people down, if they choose to act or react in a positive way then that's great, anyone of any age can and should speak the truth to power.

[Nicky91]

Poor girl would be better at school..

you really have no idea who her parents are

her mom is a quite well known famous operatic singer Malena Ernman

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Thunberg

and her dad is Svante Thunberg, author, arts manager, producer, actor

''He is also associated with the work of his daughter, youth environmental activist Greta Thunberg''


my point is, she probably went to private schools idk

[Beso]

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

It's sad when that goes out the window when there is a point to prove..very sad.

[Kizzy]

It's not a new tactic, concern for children is mainly universal.

I don't believe it is concern.. it's just another tack to gag her.

[Beso]

you really have no idea who her parents are

her mom is a quite well known famous operatic singer Malena Ernman

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Thunberg

and her dad is Svante Thunberg, author, arts manager, producer, actor

''He is also associated with the work of his daughter, youth environmental activist Greta Thunberg''


my point is, she probably went to private schools idk




And she should still be there...and yes I was aware who are parents are...what has that got to do with her skiving school though...are you saying that because her parents are well off she is better out of achool?

[Nicky91]

And she should still be there...and yes I was aware who are parents are...what has that got to do with her skiving school though...are you saying that because her parents are well off she is better out of achool?

no not entirely, like i also mentioned, her dad supports Greta with her activist work, so my thoughts are maybe her parents think like this about climate change, and she's somewhat brought forward by them, also makes sense how a 16 year old can appeal to the younger generation more than her parents

[Alf]

I'm very aware of that, and I in no way said you were practically an adult at 16...however I think it is important to highlight that there are teens that are more than aware socially, environmentally and politically, there are many under 21yr olds that would balk at the suggestion they don't have the capacity to interact in a meaningful way... Look at SNP Mahari Black an MP at 20, was she unable to form a worldview at 16?
I don't think it serves any purpose to dumb young people down, if they choose to act or react in a positive way then that's great, anyone of any age can and should speak the truth to power.Of course there's teens out there interested in this stuff. But they're teens, their time will come when they can make decisions for themselves, but until then, it's the duty of a parent to protect them.

Pushing them out in front of the World's media to pitch for an issue such as this, which is basically saying "we're all gonna die" You seiously think there's people out there that aren't gonna challenge this?

These people use children to push their message to try and use it against any different views, and think they can shut people down by saying you're bullying a child.

[Beso]

no not entirely, like i also mentioned, her dad supports Greta with her activist work, so my thoughts are maybe her parents think like this about climate change, and she's somewhat brought forward by them, also makes sense how a 16 year old can appeal to the younger generation more than her parents

There you go...all that says to me is her dad has used her and is using her for his beliefs...definatly better off in school away from these pushy parents.

[Twosugars]

The messenger gets attacked bc the message is uncomfortable.

There will be more young people like her in future campaigning for the same things.

[Nicky91]

There you go...all that says to me is her dad has used her and is using her for his beliefs...definatly better off in school away from these pushy parents.

looked it up just now even further, and yep both her mom and dad are climate activists

if sending her to school, then pls be special education which is better for people with autism, as i know out of personal experience

[Alf]

Watch the speech. She read it from a piece of paper, her mother or father could have read that from a piece of paper easily. But it wouldn't have played at the heart strings of people as much.

[Twosugars]

Watch the speech. She read it from a piece of paper, her mother or father could have read that from a piece of paper easily. But it wouldn't have played at the heart strings of people as much.

Young generations are the ones most affected. They will be dealing with this mess when you are dead.
Very fitting she is young.

[Alf]

Young generations are the ones most affected. They will be dealing with this mess when you are dead.
Very fitting she is young.Why don't you take her place and take some of the heat of her?

It's no good you preaching to me, as you say, I'm just waiting around for death now anyway.

[Twosugars]

Extreme sea level events that used to occur once a century will strike every year on many coasts by 2050, no matter whether climate heating emissions are curbed or not, according to a landmark report by the world’s scientists.

The stark assessment of the climate crisis in the world’s oceans and ice caps concludes that many serious impacts are already inevitable, from more intense storms to melting permafrost and dwindling marine life.

But far worse impacts will hit without urgent action to cut fossil fuel emissions, including eventual sea level rise of more than 4 metres in the worst case, an outcome that would redraw the map of the world and harm billions of people.

The report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), and approved by its 193 member nations, says that “all people on Earth depend directly or indirectly on the ocean” and ice caps and glaciers to regulate the climate and provide water and oxygen. But it finds unprecedented and dangerous changes being driven by global heating.

Sea level rise is accelerating as losses from Greenland and Antarctica increase, and the ocean is getting hotter, more acidic and less oxygenated. All these trends will continue to the end of the century, the IPCC report said.

Half the world’s megacities, and almost 2 billion people, live on coasts. Even if heating is restricted to just 2C, scientists expect the impact of sea level rise to cause several trillion dollars of damage a year, and result in many millions of migrants.
Mores at https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/25/extreme-sea-level-events-will-hit-once-a-year-by-2050

[Twosugars]

Why don't you take her place and take some of the heat of her?

It's no good you preaching to me, as you say, I'm just waiting around for death now anyway.

I'm too old too and too jaded

[Nicky91]

Why don't you take her place and take some of the heat of her?

It's no good you preaching to me, as you say, I'm just waiting around for death now anyway.

but why, since you're not that old

[The Slim Reaper]

It's child abuse plain and simple. And if you're gonna go around calling people bullies for be critical, then I'm gonna call you child abuse supporters.

Are children that get into sports because of their parents also abused children? Was Liza Minelli abused by Judy Garland?

[Twosugars]

Millions of climate migrants!
If nothing else does this should concentrate the minds of the hard right. We know how much they like migrants....

[Glenn.]

I don’t see how anyone could possibly have a problem with her or her message.

[Alf]

Are children that get into sports because of their parents also abused children? Was Liza Minelli abused by Judy Garland?To be honest, there's a big difference from being a political activist and doing things that all children do like sports and drama.

But yes! Look at the stories coming out with child actors in Hollywood, Corey Feldman tells a tragic story. And in football and other sports a lot of cases of abuse coming out recently.

[Twosugars]

The world’s high mountain glaciers, upon which almost 2 billion people rely for water, are also melting fast, the IPCC found, while landslides are expected to increase. A third of the great Himalayan range is already doomed, with two-thirds projected to vanish if emissions are not cut.

One of the most worrying alarms sounded by the IPCC report is about melting tundra and increasing wildfires in northern latitudes: “Widespread permafrost thaw is projected for this century and beyond.” A quarter is already near certain to melt, it said, and 70% or more would go if emissions are not curbed. In the latter case, hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide and methane could be released, supercharging the climate emergency.
From the same report as above

Btw the tundra permafrost melt is so dangerous bc it has vast reserves of co2 stored in the ground. If that goes the runaway greenhouse effect will go nuts

[Alf]

The world’s high mountain glaciers, upon which almost 2 billion people rely for water, are also melting fast, the IPCC found, while landslides are expected to increase. A third of the great Himalayan range is already doomed, with two-thirds projected to vanish if emissions are not cut.

One of the most worrying alarms sounded by the IPCC report is about melting tundra and increasing wildfires in northern latitudes: “Widespread permafrost thaw is projected for this century and beyond.” A quarter is already near certain to melt, it said, and 70% or more would go if emissions are not curbed. In the latter case, hundreds of billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide and methane could be released, supercharging the climate emergency.
From the same report as above

Btw the tundra permafrost melt is so dangerous bc it has vast reserves of co2 stored in the ground. If that goes the runaway greenhouse effect will go nutsMaybe there is things that need sorting out, but the Planet is gonna be fine, it always has been, it'll survive us humans and long after. If they've identified problems, then stop talking and go sort them out. It's the more practical way.

[Glenn.]

Maybe there is things that need sorting out, but the Planet is gonna be fine, it always has been, it'll survive us humans and long after. If they've identified problems, then stop talking and go sort them out. It's the more practical way.

The planet will survive but we won’t.

[Nicky91]

yep, so that's why we need to stop climate change for the sake of our health

but we cannot do it alone, the whole world needs to work together on this

https://nltimes.nl/2019/09/25/dutch-king-calls-russia-cooperate-mh17-investigation-un-speech

our dutch king willem alexander also spoke about climate change at the UN, among several items discussed there

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[The Slim Reaper]

To be honest, there's a big difference from being a political activist and doing things that all children do like sports and drama.

But yes! Look at the stories coming out with child actors in Hollywood, Corey Feldman tells a tragic story. And in football and other sports a lot of cases of abuse coming out recently.

You said she was being abused by her parents for forcing her into it. I disagree with your whole premise; you can't say she has been forced into activism, but then say there's a difference with other disciplines as It's unnecessarily selective in order to fit your narrative. The abuse you're talking about is from other people, and not because children followed their parents.

[Twosugars]

Maybe there is things that need sorting out, but the Planet is gonna be fine, it always has been, it'll survive us humans and long after. If they've identified problems, then stop talking and go sort them out. It's the more practical way.

Nobody is talking about the planet dying.

But our life on it will become extremely hard

Nobody is doing enough , that's why the kid and others campaign

It is as if you haven't listened throughout this thread

[Tom4784]

I think she's an inspiration and the fact that the Right Wingers are falling apart at the mere mention of her shows that she's doing something right.

We are approaching a point of no return and I reject any claims that she's fear mongering. We should all be scared of what the future holds if we stay on our current cause, If you have children, you should fear for what their future looks like, if you're young you should be aware of what your own future will entail.

Burying your head in the sand will not change what is going to happen, attacking Greta won't change what's been set in motion, clinging to fairy tales won't change the fact that younger generations and future generations will be dealing with the cataclysmic outcome that greed has created.

[Alf]

The planet will survive but we won’t.Well that's a given, every human born in the future is gonna die at some point.

But I'd much rather dwell on the positives of life and make the best of it I can, and try to live a honest, happy life, even though every thing out there is trying to stop you doing that.

This is getting quite morbid, which is apt, because I've been to a funeral this morning.

[Twosugars]

yep, so that's why we need to stop climate change for the sake of our health

but we cannot do it alone, the whole world needs to work together on this

https://nltimes.nl/2019/09/25/dutch-king-calls-russia-cooperate-mh17-investigation-un-speech

our dutch king willem alexander also spoke about climate change at the UN, among several items discussed there

-Q3ol-7rvYw

Your country faces particular danger with rising seas as so much of it is below the sea level and right by the coast.
Luckily you are a rich country and can build protections

[Nicky91]

Your country faces particular danger with rising seas as so much of it is below the sea level and right by the coast.
Luckily you are a rich country and can build protections

we already have good protections, like neeltje jans at province zeeland, which was built after some floodings in 70's if i'm correct idk precise since it was before my time

but we can renovate and build even more protections if necessary yes

[Twosugars]

I understand britain is planning to abandon some of its east coast and let it flood

[Twosugars]

A new barrier will be needed for london though

[Nicky91]

I understand britain is planning to abandon some of its east coast and let it flood

yes britain is surrounded by water, same goes for ireland

you'll also need good protections from possible flooding dangers

[Twosugars]

yes britain is surrounded by water, same goes for ireland

you'll also need good protections from possible flooding dangers

It's the east coast mainly and london of course.

They plan to save some coast but let go of some

The west coast is higher in most places

[Alf]

You said she was being abused by her parents for forcing her into it. I disagree with your whole premise; you can't say she has been forced into activism, but then say there's a difference with other disciplines as It's unnecessarily selective in order to fit your narrative. The abuse you're talking about is from other people, and not because children followed their parents.OK, that's fair enough, maybe abused is the wrong word. But I'd definitely say a dereliction of duty and care as a parent. And I'm not changing my opinion on that.

[Glenn.]

Well that's a given, every human born in the future is gonna die at some point.

But I'd much rather dwell on the positives of life and make the best of it I can, and try to live a honest, happy life, even though every thing out there is trying to stop you doing that.

This is getting quite morbid, which is apt, because I've been to a funeral this morning.

So **** the future generations then? As long as you’re ok

[Tom4784]

So **** the future generations then? As long as you’re ok

The Right Wing in a nutshell.

[Twosugars]

Northern europe and the top of britain are still rising as the ground continues rebounding after the weight of the last glaciation ice got lifted.
For example on long stretches of swedish coast the sea is actually retreating so fast it can be observed on yearly basis.
But that's just localized, globally the sea is winning.

[Alf]

So **** the future generations then? As long as you’re okBasically, yes! It's not that I don't care, it's just that I'm not programmed to save the World, and what they've said so far isn't panicking me, and in all honesty, at the moment, It looks like a confidence trick to me.

[Glenn.]

Basically, yes! It's not that I don't care, it's just that I'm not programmed to save the World, and what they've said so far isn't panicking me, and in all honesty, at the moment, It looks like a confidence trick to me.

You’re not programmed to save the world but will openly criticise anyone that is?

[Alf]

You’re not programmed to save the world but will openly criticise anyone that is?But that's the thing, I don't believe she is either, and I don't believe Jesus Christ was.

[Alf]

Or Superman

[Tom4784]

I'm tired of holding the hand of manbabies that will willingly sell their own children's future for a bit of profit today. There's no time left for pleasantries and the right wingers that are upset about being called out should be less like the snowflakes they'll claim others to be.

[Twosugars]

I'm tired of holding the hand of manbabies that will willingly sell their own children's future for a bit of profit today. There's no time left for pleasantries and the right wingers that are upset about being called out should be less like the snowflakes they'll claim others to be.

They cant help it. Cant break the habit of a lifetime and suddenly care about others :laugh:

But they need to be called out

[Kizzy]

Of course there's teens out there interested in this stuff. But they're teens, their time will come when they can make decisions for themselves, but until then, it's the duty of a parent to protect them.

Pushing them out in front of the World's media to pitch for an issue such as this, which is basically saying "we're all gonna die" You seiously think there's people out there that aren't gonna challenge this?

These people use children to push their message to try and use it against any different views, and think they can shut people down by saying you're bullying a child.

That's a cop out, their time is now it's their future there's nothing to suggest she's not being protected. Except of course this new morgan driven hysteria that has for some reason concluded she is in some way at risk, or being in some other way exploited... it's pathetic.

She is in front of the media saying this, and who can say for certain she is wrong? Nobody; they can't because they know unless there is sisemic change then she's right as she has science on her side to back it up.

If there was a credible counter argument that didn't use Gretas Aspergers or simple mockery then of course that would be reacted to positively, if all that's offered is bullying then don't be surprised if there's an accusation of bullying.

Look at the reaction of the president of the United States. .. his mockery, do you think that was warranted? Was it right or fair? Could that passive aggressive rudeness not impact on Greta negatively? How angry are you about that?

[Ramsay]

Pretty sad how triggered people on my news feed are getting over a 16 year old girl

[Alf]

Pretty sad how triggered people on my news feed are getting over a 16 year old girlIs triggering people her purpose? If not, then she's failing at whatever she's doing. .

[montblanc]

queen!

[Nicky91]

we left haven't gone mental

we left (with frans timmermans) are in charge of europe's green new deal, which is europe's share against climate change, making a greener, better europe

[Kizzy]

Is triggering people her purpose? If not, then she's failing at whatever she's doing. .

It's not what's being said...it's who's saying it though.

[Alf]

So, have I turned anybody in to sceptics yet? Have you taken my Red pills?

[The Slim Reaper]

What makes you think that being sceptical of this is a right wing position. I'm sceptical and I don't see myself of the right, I don't see myself as any side, but I'd say I'm more to the left than the right, the only problem is, the left has gone mental, and I'm not playing along.

Because demonstrably that's true. I can only speak for the west, but all of the climate change denial across the pond is on the right (where, incidentally, you source a lot of your opinions from). Over here, only the recent mumblings of denial have started coming from the right.

You may consider yourself on the left, but you also said Nazi's were socialists so you'll have to forgive me if I'm overly skeptical of your political classifications.

[Alf]

Because demonstrably that's true. I can only speak for the west, but all of the climate change denial across the pond is on the right (where, incidentally, you source a lot of your opinions from). Over here, only the recent mumblings of denial have started coming from the right.

You may consider yourself on the left, but you also said Nazi's were socialists so you'll have to forgive me if I'm overly skeptical of your political classifications.I said I don't see myself on any side. But I come from a family whose voted Labour all their lives so far, I've lived my entire life so far in a Labour constituancy. So I'd say I come from more of a left back ground than a right one. Doesn't mean I have to be a socialist though.

Why would I think they're anything other than socialists, It says socialist in the description "National Socialist"

[The Slim Reaper]

I said I don't see myself on any side. But I come from a family whose voted Labour all their lives so far, I've lived my entire life so far in a Labour constituancy. So I'd say I come from more of a left back ground than a right one. Doesn't mean I have to be a socialist though.

Why would I think they're anything other than socialists, It says socialist in the description "National Socialist"


It also says "democratic peoples republic" in the description of north Korea. Unfortunately, the names of things don't tell you everything you need to know.

First they came for the socialists...

[joeysteele]

I admire her.
She is young and she along with her generation are the future.

Her knowledge and hard work in her efforts is commendable all through.

My footnote is, she needs good support and protection too.
It's easy to get worn out in work or a cause and I hope she is being looked after.

Those who attack her, sadden me.

She is also just human.

It's easy to sit and criticise her however I think and hope her generation will have reason to look back and thank her for her determined efforts.
I'm not of her generation obviously but I thank her already.

[Alf]

Why have posts been deleted? What did I miss?

[Kizzy]

Oops mines gone.. well, how rude.

[Twosugars]

Mine too. Odd

[Alf]

The phantom mod, going around stealing peoples conversations.

[Twosugars]

Anyway, a good kid, Greta

Loved her scowling at the orange abomination

[Beso]

Anyway, a good kid, Greta

Loved her scowling at the orange abomination

She looked like a worried nun.

[Beso]

Mine too. Odd

Can't even remember what I posted:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Niamh.]

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:laugh2: brilliant

[arista]

Fantastic Slim
Perfect for Me and Alf to Phone

[The Slim Reaper]

Fantastic Slim
Perfect for Me and Alf to Phone

:joker:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/dc266d8b828cd0d8bb125ed4fffa63ca/tenor.gif?itemid=7806405

[Twosugars]

Born in Stockholm in January 2003, her mother is Malena Ernman, who gave up her international career as an opera singer because of the climate effects of aviation. Her father, Svante Thunberg, is an actor. Greta has Asperger syndrome, which has, her father says, in the past affected her health. She sees her condition not as a disability but as a gift that has helped open her eyes to the climate crisis.

She has attracted criticism, particularly from rightwing commentators, who claim she is too young or naive to know what she is talking about and is being manipulated by her parents. One commentator on Fox News referred to her as a “mentally ill Swedish child”, for which the network was forced to apologise. She has rebutted these criticisms and shown that she can live her low-carbon values with a vegan diet and by sailing to New York, rather than flying.

Thunberg has insisted she is just relying on the science. Rather than submitting prepared remarks before an appearance at the US Congress, she submitted a landmark IPCC climate report that warned of the rapidly approaching catastrophe of global heating, asking them to read it. She says: “I think that as long as they go after me personally with insults and conspiracy theories then that is good. It proves that they don’t have any arguments. And that they see us as a threat because we are having an impact.”

In September 2019 she condemned world leaders in an emotional speech at the UN, telling them: “You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words.”

One one occasion she crossed paths with the US president, Donald Trump. Her glare became a social media viral sensation. He tweeted mockingly: “She seems like a very happy young girl looking forward to a bright and wonderful future.” Thunberg turned around the jibe by adopting it as her Twitter bio.

Regarding her early start to activism, she told Guardian readers: “I don’t care about age. Nor do I care about those who do not accept the science. I don’t have as much experience, and therefore I listen more. But I also have the right to express my opinion, no matter my age. Being young is a great advantage, since we see the world from a new perspective and we are not afraid to make radical changes.”
from her profile in the Guardian

[Alf]

1177178666402365440The lack of diversity in that video is disturbing, don't they know it's the current year?

They think they can cover up their blatant racism, by flashing a light Brown guy like Obama on screen for half a second?

[user104658]

The lack of diversity in that video is disturbing, don't they know it's the current year?

I'd say it's a pretty accurate reflection of the tomato-faced middle aged arseholes who get themselves wound up about "PC stuff!!!", Alf.

[Alf]

I'd say it's a pretty accurate reflection of the tomato-faced middle aged arseholes who get themselves wound up about "PC stuff!!!", Alf.Nah! People who get wound up by Clown World, PC bollox are a diverse bunch. There's many fruits and veg amongst them.

[Twosugars]

I'd say it's a pretty accurate reflection of the tomato-faced middle aged arseholes who get themselves wound up about "PC stuff!!!", Alf.

:laugh:
So true

[user104658]

Nah! People who get wound up by Clown World, PC bollox are a diverse bunch. There's many fruits and veg amongst them.

This footage from a recent pro-Brexit/climate change denial protest suggests otherwise

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[The Slim Reaper]

Someone get Trump, Alf, and Arista an inhaler.

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[Ammi]

...the power of youth...:lovedup:..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Someone get Trump, Alf, and Arista an inhaler.

1204743717132914688

A magazine no one reads and that gave it to Trump last year

It's justc sales gimmick

[The Slim Reaper]

A magazine no one reads and that gave it to Trump last year

It's justc sales gimmick

It was murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year. Trump fakes his own time covers and puts them on the walls of his golf clubs. :joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/28/time-magazinetrump-fake-covers-golf-clubs

Time magazine has asked the Trump organisation to remove fake covers bearing his image from his golf clubs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year. Trump fakes his own time covers and puts them on the walls of his golf clubs. :joker:

King of the collage

:clap1:

[Tom4784]

I love how she triggers boomers by just existing.

[smudgie]

Congratulations.
Well deserved for the message she has portrayed.

[Kizzy]

Bless her, she has done so much to raise awareness and inspired millions. .but do those in power care? I'm not sure :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/12/12/12/22152342-7785175-image-a-1_1576154835354.jpg

Donald shoots, Donald scores :joker:

[Kizzy]

Look at that.. the 'leader' of the free world mocking a child for wanting a more sustainable future.

Today better signal a change .

[Elliot]

Some of the **** I’ve seen people say about her online from grown men about a child is so immature and disgraceful, but she remains an unbothered queen inspiring the masses

[arista]

Someone get Trump, Alf, and Arista an inhaler.


No we are OK Slim


inhalers are no good.

[user104658]

To be fair to Trump (...Jesus effing...) Greta is 16 which, yes, is a minor BUT;

I don't think "child armour" should become a thing. I think the precedent - that you can use a minor to make a political statement and they are automatically immune from backlash - is a very slippery one, because people will DEFINITELY exploit that.

I think if a teenager makes the choice to fully enter a political battleground (as Greta has done, admirably), and their guardians sign off on that decision, then that teenager should be treated as (and RESPECTED as) a participant in the debate absolutely no different to any other.

Whether or not it's actually a good idea for someone so young to open themselves up to such a battleground is another debate.

[Marsh.]

To be fair to Trump (...Jesus effing...) Greta is 16 which, yes, is a minor BUT;

I don't think "child armour" should become a thing. I think the precedent - that you can use a minor to make a political statement and they are automatically immune from backlash - is a very slippery one, because people will DEFINITELY exploit that.

I think if a teenager makes the choice to fully enter a political battleground (as Greta has done, admirably), and their guardians sign off on that decision, then that teenager should be treated as (and RESPECTED as) a participant in the debate absolutely no different to any other.

Whether or not it's actually a good idea for someone so young to open themselves up to such a battleground is another debate.

So long as the debate is valid debate I completely agree.

"Go watch a movie and CHILL GRETA, GOD!" from the POTUS is absolutely laughable. But, tbf, he does it to everyone not just children. He's just not equipped for politics in any way shape or form.

[bots]

i've grown very bored of her now. I think she is doing a lot of showboating both figuratively and literally

[Beastie]

I like her. A lot are threatened of her and her truth. Jeremy Clarkson is a twat.

[Captain.Remy]

God bless her she's actually on a rail trip from Madrid to Stockholm, and currently on her way to Paris and is dealing with the French strikes that imply no trains on a national level for the 8th day in a row (and counting...)

Trump can't stop Greta, but the french unions will :joker:

[arista]

In Italy
This 16 year old has said Sorry
for saying "Politicians should be put against the wall"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greta-thunberg-criticism-climate-change-turin-speech-language-nationality-swedish-a9247321.html

[Ammi]

...always the wise grown up and clarifying her meaning immediately..:lovedup:....which some ‘media’ obviously took the opportunity to twist in translation...


It was quickly picked in right-wing circles which have frequently criticised the teenager, including far-right online publication Breitbart accused Greta of going “full Fidel-Castro”.

[Livia]

I feel sorry for Greta. She's 16, has suffered anorexia and depression and, as I understand it, Asperger's. She's been used by her parents and by environmental activists who should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I also object to her perpetuating the myth that "the older generation caused this, HOW DARE THEY?! and the younger generation will solve it". There's enough trouble in the world, let's not pit the generations against each other. Again.

If it wasn't for her ambitious parents, Greta would be a quite ordinary, rather plain, 16 year old schoolgirl with all the stress that comes with it. Being the face of environmentalism makes her a puppet.

[Jessica.]

I feel sorry for Greta. She's 16, has suffered anorexia and depression and, as I understand it, Asperger's. She's been used by her parents and by environmental activists who should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. I also object to her perpetuating the myth that "the older generation caused this, HOW DARE THEY?! and the younger generation will solve it". There's enough trouble in the world, let's not pit the generations against each other. Again.

If it wasn't for her ambitious parents, Greta would be a quite ordinary, rather plain, 16 year old schoolgirl with all the stress that comes with it. Being the face of environmentalism makes her a puppet.So you're saying she doesn't have the mental capacity to have taken the steps she has of her own accord? What a ridiculous way of trying to discredit that brave young lady under the guise of being sympathetic.

[The Slim Reaper]

So you're saying she doesn't have the mental capacity to have taken the steps she has of her own accord? What a ridiculous way of trying to discredit that brave young lady under the guise of being sympathetic.

Her parents have so much ambition, I have no idea of their names and couldn't pick them out of a line up if my life depended on it.

[UserSince2005]

puppet queen

[Livia]

So you're saying she doesn't have the mental capacity to have taken the steps she has of her own accord? What a ridiculous way of trying to discredit that brave young lady under the guise of being sympathetic.

Don't tell me what I'm saying. If you're not clear what I'm saying - and you're obviously not - just ask. What a ridiculous way to make a point because you don't like me.

No 16 year old should have that kind of pressure put upon her considering her history of mental health problems. If that makes me a monster, well... I could care less, but not much less.

[The Slim Reaper]

From my point of view, a young person facing up against all that adversity and coming out the other side should be viewed as inspirational. I don't see any evidence that it's her parents driving this on, and a young person as the face of this movement seems really appropriate because previous generations (including mine) have failed.

[Ammi]

Melati and Isabel Wijsen were only 10 and 12, respectively, when they started on a course of activism that has drastically decreased the global usage of single-use plastic...

Kelvin Doe
One of Sierra Leone's most famous inventors got started when he began looking for ways to fix local problems with technology as an 11-year-old, just five years after the country's volatile civil war ended. By 13, he was powering neighborhood houses with batteries made out of acid, soda and metal in a tin cup. He went on to build a community radio station out of recycled parts that he powered with a generator also made out of reused material.

Marley Dias
Marley is the activist behind the #1000BlackGirlBooks twitter phenomenon. The hashtag was born out of the avid reader's frustration that she couldn't find any stories where the main characters looked like her. The book drive resulted in more than 11,000 books catalogued with black female protagonists, and counting. Marley also wrote the book Marley Dias Gets It Done: And So Can You as a guide to positive change through activism.

Greta Thunberg
You've probably heard of this environmental activist after her passionate speech at the UN Climate Summit, but this 16-year-old student has been advocating for sustainability for years now. Greta began by protesting Swedish parliament in an effort to get them to do more to prevent climate change. She went on to organize Fridays for Future, a school climate strike movement. As of 2019, more than one million students around the world participated in a multi-city coordinated protest for stronger action against climate change.

Emma González
After surviving a school shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, a group of a teen activists formed to fight for an end of gun violence. Emma González was one of those students, in addition to David Hogg, Alex Wind, Jaclyn Corin, Cameron Kasky, and many others. She co-founded Never Again MSD, a group for gun control, and gave a moving speech at the March for Lives Rally in which she read the names of her classmates who died in the shooting. After the work of Emma and her fellow activists, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act was passed by Florida lawmakers in March 2018.

Nicholas Lowinger
When Nicolas was a tween, he met a brother and sister experiencing homelessness. The pair took turns going to school because they shared a pair of shoes. Nicolas gave the boy a pair of basketball sneakers, and thus kicked off an organization that would come to be known as Gotta Have Sole, through which footwear has been donated to over 99,000 children in homeless shelters.

Jaylen Arnold
After being diagnosed with Tourette's Syndrome, Asperger's and OCD, Jaylen was bullied by peers for being different. He found that the anxiety he suffered as result of the bullying worsened the symptoms of his disabilities. That's what led Jaylen to found the Jaylen Challenge Foundation, which has educated more than 100,000 kids on recognizing bullying behavior and understanding each others differences.



...and the list goes on of remarkable young people whose passion and dedication has or is making changes to their..(..and our...)...world....


https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/inspirational-stories/g5188/kids-who-changed-the-world/

[Jessica.]

Don't tell me what I'm saying. If you're not clear what I'm saying - and you're obviously not - just ask. What a ridiculous way to make a point because you don't like me.



No 16 year old should have that kind of pressure put upon her considering her history of mental health problems. If that makes me a monster, well... I could care less, but not much less.

Her and so many others of her generation are terrified of not being able to have a future because of how careless a lot of people in power are. None of them should have that pressure put upon them. She is just one who managed to have her voice heard.

[Ammi]

Her and so many others of her generation are terrified of not being able to have a future because of how careless a lot of people in power are. None of them should have that pressure put upon them. She is just one who managed to have her voice heard.

...perfectly said...someone could walk into any school classroom in this and many other countries and hear the same one united voice of concern from children for their planet and their future...fortunately for those children, they have Greta as their inspirational voice ...

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELzH9SWWwAA5sBk?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[user104658]

I do in general agree that it'd be healthier from a mental health perspective to wait until 18 or even 21 before getting SO heavily involved in very public campaigning like this. That's not to say that there isn't scope for young people to get involved, but I'm unconvinced that it'll be a positive for her in the long run to have it be the bulk of her life as a teenager, and I do also agree that large swathes of climate change campaigners are a bit too comfortable with using her as figurehead, or a literal poster-child, without much thought for her as an individual beyond that. A 16-year-old, ANY 16-year-old is vulnerable to exploitation and at the very least I think people should try to keep that in mind.

[edited to add]

Should clarify that I don't think her parents re pushing her or exploiting her, I do fully believe that whilst her basic views have come from them (as with most kids/parents) the drive to do the things she's doing is hers. It's the "movement as a whole" where I feel like plenty of people care far more about her usefulness to the cause than her wellbeing as an individual, and at 16 years old that does make me a bit uncomfortable.

[Kizzy]

There is a 10yr old doing a degree, some young people are simply not interested and basically too intelligent to be bothered with all the rubbish that is forced into kids heads these days, social media people have a name ' influencers'. Why do we think that is?

Should she be so suggestable then why only one topic?
While some are waiting for her to become a normal teenager and 'chill' Lets spare a thought to all these 'normal' teenagers killing themselves to look a certain way because their you tube idol does...

To me she has seen through many of the damaging things that make up growing up. The peer pressure, social media influence and advertising to share her educated well resourced facts in a second language.

So no I don't think that she would be an 'ordinary' 'plain' girl, regardless of her parents, this passion and conviction comes from within.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its sad that the hard left have exploited a troubled child to use as a political football

very sad

[Twosugars]

Anything but to discuss the actual issue. There will be more Gretas when more teens twig the oldies ****ed their future.

Hard right hate her. How sad.

[Jessica.]

...perfectly said...someone could walk into any school classroom in this and many other countries and hear the same one united voice of concern from children for their planet and their future...fortunately for those children, they have Greta as their inspirational voice ...Exactly, I had a conversation about her with my niece who is the same age. She said they had a discussion about Greta in school and everyone in her class was unanimous in agreeing with what Greta is fighting for, they feel like she's speaking for all of them. It was really sweet to hear.

[Marsh.]

I think using her personal battles against her and accusing her of being "troubled" and suggesting she's not in her right mind is actually appalling.

[Tom4784]

I think using her personal battles against her and accusing her of being "troubled" and suggesting she's not in her right mind is actually appalling.

Yeah, you'd have to be extremely pathetic to use someone's asperger's against them just because they are trying to spread a message of environmental awareness.

It takes a man that is extremely fragile and insecure in their own masculinity to attack a child for trying to do good and the right wing is filled with these weak little men.

[Oliver_W]

I guess Greta's train was "ram-packed" as well :joker:

Greta Thunberg in Twitter spat with German rail firm

Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has been criticised by a German rail firm for what it said was her implication that she had spent a journey without a seat on an overcrowded train.

The teenager tweeted a photograph of herself looking pensively out of the window of her German train on Saturday, writing: “Traveling on overcrowded trains through Germany. And I’m finally on my way home.”

Greta travelled by train from the COP25 UN climate conference in Madrid via a climate protest in Turin, Italy, on Friday. She is due home in Stockholm to celebrate Christmas with her family after a year travelling the world by rail, sea and road to highlight the threat of global heating.

Deutsche Bahn (DB) was quick to respond to Greta’s tweet, apologising to the 16-year-old schoolgirl for the inconvenience and saying it was working on improving its trains.

But on Sunday DB went on the defensive, deleting its initial tweet, and chiding Greta for failing to acknowledge the lengths its onboard staff apparently went to lead her to a seat in first class.

“Dear Greta,” its press department wrote in a two-part tweet. “Thank you for supporting us railroaders in the fight against climate change! We were happy that you travelled with us on Saturday in the ICE 74 ... but it would have been even nicer, had you also reported how friendly and competently you were looked after by our team at your seat in the first class.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm

[Beso]

Saw a recent video of her where she tries to answer unscripted questions....she couldnt answer one...waste of space imo

[Beso]

Yeah, you'd have to be extremely pathetic to use someone's asperger's against them just because they are trying to spread a message of environmental awareness.

It takes a man that is extremely fragile and insecure in their own masculinity to attack a child for trying to do good and the right wing is filled with these weak little men.



You say this as though people on the left have not attacked her...:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess Greta's train was "ram-packed" as well :joker:


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm

:joker:

[Beso]

I'm not surprised it was overcrowded...how many bags does one teenager need fgs.

[Tom4784]

Saw a recent video of her where she tries to answer unscripted questions....she couldnt answer one...waste of space imo

How big you are for calling a teenager a waste of space for trying to do some good in the world.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How big you are for calling a teenager a waste of space for trying to do some good in the world.

you called half the country an idiot yesterday

how big did that make you feel?

[Marsh.]

you called half the country an idiot yesterday

how big did that make you feel?

Because they weren't trying to do some good in the world.

[Kazanne]

I guess Greta's train was "ram-packed" as well :joker:


https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/dec/15/greta-thunberg-in-twitter-spat-with-german-rail-firm

I saw this on GMB I mean really :hee:

[Tom4784]

you called half the country an idiot yesterday

how big did that make you feel?

Pretty good since my ire is aimed at grown ass adults that are responsible for their own decisions and not children that are trying to improve the world and are not doing harm to anyone. You can't say the same.

Now go an answer the question I asked you in the GE thread instead of running away.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pretty good since my ire is aimed at grown ass adults that are responsible for their own decisions and not children that are trying to improve the world and are not doing harm to anyone. You can't say the same.

Now go an answer the question I asked you in the GE thread instead of running away.


if that was an attempt to try and justify your hateful posts calling anyone who does not agree with you:


"gullible, idiots, fools, The voting public shouldn't be allowed outside without adult supervision, but this country is about to get ****ed with a rusty nail bat and it's people deserve every second of it. The public cannot be helped, they are lemmings at this point and they deserve. Because they are idiots that, when confronted with truth and facts, run away screaming because they prefer the fiction to reality.the problem is that the public are wilfully ignorant of the facts. anyone who voted for them in the middle and particularly the working class is gullible and easily led"


it failed

(and that is just the stuff that was not thankfully deleted)

[Tom4784]

if that was an attempt to try and justify your hateful posts calling anyone who does not agree with you:


"gullible, idiots, fools, The voting public shouldn't be allowed outside without adult supervision, but this country is about to get ****ed with a rusty nail bat and it's people deserve every second of it. The public cannot be helped, they are lemmings at this point and they deserve. Because they are idiots that, when confronted with truth and facts, run away screaming because they prefer the fiction to reality.the problem is that the public are wilfully ignorant of the facts. anyone who voted for them in the middle and particularly the working class is gullible and easily led"


it failed

(and that is just the stuff that was not thankfully deleted)

Again, my anger is aimed at adults who made a choice, you're trying to take the moral high ground for mocking a child and calling her troubled because she has aspergers.

It's not going to work, you are attacking a child, I'm venting about the decisions that grown people have made.

[Beso]

You mean when he called you out for having a go at a girl who tries to spread awareness about climate change? Bc he was right.



If she puts herself out there (or her parents put her out there) and she fails during a non scripted interview then I'm going to call her out on it....I don't need personal abuse for doing it thanks.

[UserSince2005]

Trump > Greta weta the beda

[arista]

Arrested again
in Sweden I assume.



1809634304428818614

[Zizu]

Arrested again
in Sweden I assume.



1809634304428818614


Do all these arrests effect her ability to visit various countries ?


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[arista]

Do all these arrests effect her ability to visit various countries ?





Its Publicity.


But not yet on any UK news

In 2019, when this thread started she was a child,
now in 2024 she is 21 years old

[Alf]

Arrested again
in Sweden I assume.



1809634304428818614Stopping for pictures.

It's all scripted theatre. She's an actor. Those Police are obviously in on this scam too. Because they walk her to the camera's and stop for the pictures.

[Beso]

Stopping for pictures.

It's all scripted theatre. She's an actor. Those Police are obviously in on this scam too. Because they walk her to the camera's and stop for the pictures.

She looks like a character from a harry Enfield sketch..

Hello mrs pattison.

[Beso]

...perfectly said...someone could walk into any school classroom in this and many other countries and hear the same one united voice of concern from children for their planet and their future...fortunately for those children, they have Greta as their inspirational voice ...

Do you still believe that?

[Mystic Mock]

I have said it before, and I will say it again.

I don't believe that Greta can let her fame go, I think that she had some causes that she genuinely believed in when she was younger, but now I think that she's basically another fame hungry Celebrity that wants to be seen as "the good guy."

There are too many people like that in my view, and I really have grown to despise that kind of behaviour as I've got older.

[arista]

Stopping for pictures.

It's all scripted theatre. She's an actor. Those Police are obviously in on this scam too. Because they walk her to the camera's and stop for the pictures.


They allow her to get pictures
but she was arrested again
checked in the Police bus.

[bots]

Do all these arrests effect her ability to visit various countries ?


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If she is convicted of something it would, but i don't think she has been convicted of anything yet. As people say, it's all a bit of a show

[Zizu]

https://x.com/suffragent_/status/1932348159872668134?s=46


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[The Slim Reaper]

Amazing how quickly the "protect women" crowd, reveal themselves to be everything but.

Greta using her platform to highlight the flotilla issue in Gaza is one of the bravest things that's happened recently.

The day after Israel destroyed the previous one, she got on board.

Some of us like to think we'd face down such atrocities under the right circumstances, but Greta didn't even have to think about it. Her name recognition might have ironically saved that whole flotilla from destruction and murder by the Israeli state. Honestly, some of the folks on here are so full of hatred, it's honestly baffling how you get through your days.

Some of you should be absolutely appalled at yourselves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Amazing how quickly the "protect women" crowd, reveal themselves to be everything but.

Greta using her platform to highlight the flotilla issue in Gaza is one of the bravest things that's happened recently.

The day after Israel destroyed the previous one, she got on board.

Some of us like to think we'd face down such atrocities under the right circumstances, but Greta didn't even have to think about it. Her name recognition might have ironically saved that whole flotilla from destruction and murder by the Israeli state. Honestly, some of the folks on here are so full of hatred, it's honestly baffling how you get through your days.

Some of you should be absolutely appalled at yourselves.

"Greta using her platform to highlight the flotilla issue in Gaza is one of the bravest things that's happened recently."

:joker:

I genuinely don't know if you are joking about this

[Glenn.]

Amazing how quickly the "protect women" crowd, reveal themselves to be everything but.

Greta using her platform to highlight the flotilla issue in Gaza is one of the bravest things that's happened recently.

The day after Israel destroyed the previous one, she got on board.

Some of us like to think we'd face down such atrocities under the right circumstances, but Greta didn't even have to think about it. Her name recognition might have ironically saved that whole flotilla from destruction and murder by the Israeli state. Honestly, some of the folks on here are so full of hatred, it's honestly baffling how you get through your days.

Some of you should be absolutely appalled at yourselves.


You should know by now, their support for women comes and goes when it suits their agendas.

[The Slim Reaper]

"Greta using her platform to highlight the flotilla issue in Gaza is one of the bravest things that's happened recently."

:joker:

I genuinely don't know if you are joking about this

Putting yourself in the crosshairs of a murderous and genocidal regime is bravery. Admittedly, not as brave as constantly slagging off Muslims on a BB forum, but she runs you a close 2nd :smug:

[BBXX]

Putting yourself in the crosshairs of a murderous and genocidal regime is bravery. Admittedly, not as brave as constantly slagging off Muslims on a BB forum, but she runs you a close 2nd :smug:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Livia]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I see people's goodbyes were premature.

[BBXX]

I see people's goodbyes were premature.

I just can't keep away. :hehe:

[Jessica.]

Amazing how quickly the "protect women" crowd, reveal themselves to be everything but.

Greta using her platform to highlight the flotilla issue in Gaza is one of the bravest things that's happened recently.

The day after Israel destroyed the previous one, she got on board.

Some of us like to think we'd face down such atrocities under the right circumstances, but Greta didn't even have to think about it. Her name recognition might have ironically saved that whole flotilla from destruction and murder by the Israeli state. Honestly, some of the folks on here are so full of hatred, it's honestly baffling how you get through your days.

Some of you should be absolutely appalled at yourselves.

They only care about right wing women, it's so weird.

[Livia]

I look forward to your next "I'm leaving!" Thread with great anticipation.

[Livia]

Everyone duscussing other members instead of the subject.

[Jessica.]

Everyone duscussing other members instead of the subject.

You are trying your best to single out a great member and make them feel unwelcome but if anything negative is possibly about you then it's not allowed? You rascal! :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

I look forward to your next "I'm leaving!" Thread with great anticipation.

Everyone duscussing other members instead of the subject.

https://im.indiatimes.in/content/2019/Sep/blinking_guy_meme_1569407297.gif?w=400&h=267&cc=1&webp=1&q=75

[BBXX]

I look forward to your next "I'm leaving!" Thread with great anticipation.

In my defence it wasn't an I am leaving thread, it was a 'Delete my Account' thread. If I had my account deleted, I definitely wouldn't have made another one.

[The Slim Reaper]

They only care about right wing women, it's so weird.

I don't even think they're that arsed about rw women tbh, they're just one rut further up on the ladder.

[Jessica.]

I don't even think they're that arsed about rw women tbh, they're just one rut further up on the ladder.

I meant care very loosely, right wing women at least further the agenda.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They gave her a non-reclining seat next to the bog

:laugh2:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtEOItBWMAAmyoe?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Jessica.]

They gave her a non-reclining seat next to the bog

:laugh2:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtEOItBWMAAmyoe?format=jpg&name=900x900

What kind of heathen reclines their seat on a flight??

[Zizu]

What kind of heathen reclines their seat on a flight??


The ones in front of me , quite often !

Grrrrrr !!


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[Livia]

They gave her a non-reclining seat next to the bog

:laugh2:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtEOItBWMAAmyoe?format=jpg&name=900x900



She's lucky. I'd have shoved her in the hold.

[BBXX]

What about the safety of biological women?

[BBXX]

What kind of heathen reclines their seat on a flight??

Hey, if I need sleep, I'm reclining - they recline for a reason. :laugh: :laugh:

[Jessica.]

Hey, if I need sleep, I'm reclining - they recline for a reason. :laugh: :laugh:

D: I've always agreed with you until today, I could never subject the person behind me to that.

[BBXX]

D: I've always agreed with you until today, I could never subject the person behind me to that.

Hahaha... I didn't say I feel good about doing it. :blush:

I only ever do if when I need to sleep on long haul, or if I need space because the person in front of me is doing it. Don't judge too harshly :angel:

[Beso]

Has greta found love?


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14780967/Greta-Thunberg-love-long-haired-former-public-schoolboy.html

[Zizu]

Love at first sight https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250617/4a34f6d56adb400acd71457af671091d.jpg


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/14/09/99369187-14780967-image-m-2_1749889275470.jpg
[Climate activist-turned Gaza protestor Greta Thunberg
has struck up a close friendship with the
long-haired photographer Chris Kebbon,22
Pictured together swimming on May 31
in the sea in Catania, Sicily, shortly before
she set sail on her 'Freedom Flotilla' mission to Gaza]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/14/09/99369217-14780967-image-a-14_1749889771316.jpg
[He describes himself as a photographer
for social and climate justice movements]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14780967/Greta-Thunberg-love-long-haired-former-public-schoolboy.html

[Jessica.]

Good for her!

[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/14/09/99369187-14780967-image-m-2_1749889275470.jpg
[Climate activist-turned Gaza protestor Greta Thunberg
has struck up a close friendship with the
long-haired photographer Chris Kebbon,22
Pictured together swimming on May 31
in the sea in Catania, Sicily, shortly before
she set sail on her 'Freedom Flotilla' mission to Gaza]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/14/09/99369217-14780967-image-a-14_1749889771316.jpg
[He describes himself as a photographer
for social and climate justice movements]


]


Jesus.. the walrus is better looking ..


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[Mystic Mock]

I feel like she had good intentions when she was younger.

Now I feel like she just likes the limelight.