Scotland becomes first UK nation to ban smacking

[arista]

[Parents in Scotland are no longer allowed
to smack their children after the passing
of a law making physical punishment illegal.
MSPs voted by 84 to 29 in favour
of the smacking ban, which gives
children the same protection from violence
as adults by removing the defence
of justifiable assault.
It means Scotland has become the
first country in the UK to make
physical punishment a criminal offence,
bringing the country in line with
United Nations recommendations.]


Smacking is Needed
to stop kids running in road.


https://news.sky.com/story/scotland-becomes-first-uk-nation-to-ban-smacking-11825966

[Beso]

I thought it was banned years ago.

[Liam-]

Stupid, there’s nothing wrong with a clip around the ear, it never did me or my generation or the ones before me any harm, I don’t like that people are now being told how to parent by law, what’s next, it’ll be a crime make your kids eat what their given or go without?

[Alf]

Yep, the politicians will do the parenting, and the kids will be brought up to the standards they want you to meet.

[Strictly Jake]

Oh no if mine get a bit out of hand I have to be honest I give them a tap on the hand, not hard, but it makes them stop and I'm going on holiday to Scotland in 2 weeks. I best be careful otherwise I'll be going to jail

[Kizzy]

I feel a bit of a hypocrite because I did smack (very very rarely and lightly )but I support a ban to reduce child abuse.

[Alf]

I feel a bit of a hypocrite because I did smack (very very rarely and lightly )but I support a ban to reduce child abuse.It's got more chance of increasing child abuse figures. Because now any parent who's just given a light slap on the hand or the bottom could be classed in the same league as somebody who beats a child to a pulp.

[Beso]

Has nicola banned fgm yet?

[Beso]

Has nicola banned fgm yet?

It was already banned thank goodness.

On a side note..can you still smack other people's. ?

[Niamh.]

Lazy parenting imo

[Cherie]

Always thought smacking was banned

[Niamh.]

Always thought smacking was bannedIt is in Ireland

[Cherie]

It is in Ireland

Aw thats it then, I live vicariously through my Irish roots :smug:

[Beso]

Always thought smacking was banned

Me too..all those times I missed the chance, just to get a dead arm every day of him when he got older..Im furious.:fist:

[arista]

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[AnnieK]

All for it, I've never felt the need to smack mine to be honest I rarely need to raise my voice with him, if I do shout he ****s himself as he knows I'm seriously pissed off with him :laugh: Not sure how it will be policed though....

[Beso]

I always found shouting far worse than the hits when I was a kid.

[Ammi]

..Scotland leading the way for the rest of the U.K. to follow...:love:...

[arista]

..Scotland leading the way for the rest of the U.K. to follow...:love:...


What?


Ammi if a toddler goes to run across a Road
smack the toddler
on the Legs

That way Saving the Life of a Toddler.




Now Ammi
I know your in the Education Zone
a Smack is a way of Educating...............................

[Ammi]

...by your thought processes, Arista...we possibly should be thinking about a little slap on a parent’s leg for placing their child at risk near a busy road.../...sign of the times, baby...

[arista]

...by your thought processes, Arista...we possibly should be thinking about a little slap on a parent’s leg for placing their child at risk near a busy road.../...sign of the times, baby...



So we get the Truth

On the way,
Ammi Arrested in Scotland
for Slapping a child.....................................

[Ammi]

...:laugh:...a snug little prison hideaway while you’re out there, crossing the Brexit road, Arista...watch out for on coming traffic and leg slaps...

[Toy Soldier]

BREAKING NEWS

Child learns to cross road without being slapped

'tis a miracle in October!

[arista]

BREAKING NEWS

Child learns to cross road without being slapped

'tis a miracle in October!



Yes But a Toddler runs across a Road
is Very Dangerous

A Good Smack
stops that - saving the Life of a Toddler

[AnnieK]

What?


Ammi if a toddler goes to run across a Road
smack the toddler
on the Legs

That way Saving the Life of a Toddler.




Now Ammi
I know your in the Education Zone
a Smack is a way of Educating...............................

How is slapping the child's legs gonna teach it anything? :laugh:

[arista]

How is slapping the child's legs gonna teach it anything? :laugh:



The Toddler then knows
never to run across a main road.


Its all about saving lives

[Cherie]

The Toddler then knows
never to run across a main road.


Its all about saving lives

or the parent could hold the toddler and get down to their level and point out the dangers

we need more parents like this around the school a few minutes from me, parents wandering across the road because the new gate that opened is 2 minutes walk from the crossing, so they wont walk to it to cross as the poor dears would then have to walk another 2 minutes back, then they start shouting at you if you dare not to stop to let them cross when they are perched in the middle of the street

[bots]

i think it was already banned in schools which is where the confusion comes in.

I knew a kid when i was growing up that got smacked by his parents almost constantly for the most tenuous of reasons. He didn't change his behaviour at all, he just got slapped more :shrug:

I always found that my kids know exactly when to behave purely by the tone of my voice, i don't even need to raise my voice. The point being they already know that they are doing something they shouldn't, its called knowing right from wrong and that is the important lesson that a parent teaches. After that, nothing else is needed.

[Niamh.]

BREAKING NEWS

Child learns to cross road without being slapped

'tis a miracle in October!

:laugh2:

But yeah bloody hell, they don't recommend slapping dogs to "train" them, why is it a good way to train a child ffs

[Niamh.]

How is slapping the child's legs gonna teach it anything? :laugh:

Their legs will be too sore to run?

[Niamh.]

i think it was already banned in schools which is where the confusion comes in.

I knew a kid when i was growing up that got smacked by his parents almost constantly for the most tenuous of reasons. He didn't change his behaviour at all, he just got slapped more :shrug:

I always found that my kids know exactly when to behave purely by the tone of my voice, i don't even need to raise my voice. The point being they already know that they are doing something they shouldn't, its called knowing right from wrong and that is the important lesson that a parent teaches. After that, nothing else is needed.

Exactly, I don't know how this is an "out there" concept, people seem to think that not smacking equals no discipline or bad kids, it really doesn't. Never smacked mine and they've always been really good kids (teens now)

[Toy Soldier]

The Toddler then knows

never to run across a main road.





Its all about saving livesThe toddler knows never to run into the road because they'll get a smack from a parent. So as soon as a parent isn't around to see them, they think it's "safe" because they won't get smacked.

Here's what saves lives; don't have small children unsupervised next to roads until they're old enough to understand the actual danger.

[Niamh.]

The toddler knows never to run into the road because they'll get a smack from a parent. So as soon as a parent isn't around to see them, they think it's "safe" because they won't get smacked.

Here's what saves lives; don't have small children unsupervised next to roads until they're old enough to understand the actual danger.

Or the toddler learns to run out on the road faster to avoid the smack............

[AnnieK]

The toddler knows never to run into the road because they'll get a smack from a parent. So as soon as a parent isn't around to see them, they think it's "safe" because they won't get smacked.

Here's what saves lives; don't have small children unsupervised next to roads until they're old enough to understand the actual danger.

Don't let logic get in the way of smacking kids :laugh:

[arista]

The toddler knows never to run into the road because they'll get a smack from a parent. So as soon as a parent isn't around to see them, they think it's "safe" because they won't get smacked.

Here's what saves lives; don't have small children unsupervised next to roads until they're old enough to understand the actual danger.



No TS
we are talking about Toddlers

[arista]

Or the toddler learns to run out on the road faster to avoid the smack............


No
a Hard Smack
is Education.


That saves the Toddlers Life.


Feel The Force

[Niamh.]

No
a Hard Smack
is Education.


That saves the Toddlers Life.


Feel The Force

Oh a hard smack, so the aim is to hurt a small child?

[arista]

Oh a hard smack, so the aim is to hurt a small child?



No
its to teach a Toddler to never run in a Main Road

[Niamh.]

No
its to teach a Toddler to never run in a Main Road

By physically hurting them....

[Alf]

Not only should parents be allowed to smack their child, but so should teachers.

We're animals, we need to be taught wrong from right from a young age.

Anybody who doesn't give their disobedient child a slap is failing their child in the game of life. And for what? So they can think themselves virtuous.

[arista]

By physically hurting them....


Only Once


Saving the Toddlers Life

[Niamh.]

Not only should parents be allowed to smack their child, but so should teachers.

We're animals, we need to be taught wrong from right from a young age.

Anybody who doesn't give their disobedient child a slap is failing their child in the game of life. And for what? So they can think themselves virtuous.

Again this logic that not smacking = no discipline/bad children. Lazy parenting

[Niamh.]

Only Once


Saving the Toddlers Life


What if they do it again?

[arista]

What if they do it again?


But the Toddler never does



They have a Memory



Saving Lives

[Niamh.]

But the Toddler never does



They have a Memory



Saving Lives

That is absolutely not true :laugh: I've often seen the exact same people smacking the exact same kids everyday, maybe they're not hitting them hard enough, huh?

[AnnieK]

Not only should parents be allowed to smack their child, but so should teachers.

We're animals, we need to be taught wrong from right from a young age.

Anybody who doesn't give their disobedient child a slap is failing their child in the game of life. And for what? So they can think themselves virtuous.

If you have to resort to hitting a disobedient child, that's when your failing your child.

[Niamh.]

If you have to resort to hitting a disobedient child, that's when your failing your child.

Exactly, it's like there is no other way to discipline or teach your kids, maybe some parenting classes or something might help if people really can't think of any other possible way to teach their child other than violence

[Alf]

If you have to resort to hitting a disobedient child, that's when your failing your child.Your parents would have had corporal punishment as a deterrent growing up, did they turn out failures?

[Alf]

Your problem is that you can't see the difference between an educational slap and beating a child. There is a difference.

[AnnieK]

Your parents would have had corporal punishment as a deterrent growing up, did they turn out failures?

Lol, what does that prove? Lots of high profile murderers were probably smacked as children and went on to be abusers.....corporal punishment did them the world of good. :shrug:

I am older than you Alf I think, my school had corporal punishment, my dad never hit me but my mum did on occasion, didn't stop me doing what I was doing though. I choose not to smack my child as violence never solves anything. He is a good kid and knows when I raise my voice or change my tone that he is doing something wrong. At the age he is now (nearly 9), the threat of losing football privileges etc would hurt him far more than a slap and teach him far better.

[AnnieK]

Your problem is that you can't see the difference between an educational slap and beating a child. There is a difference.

My problem is hitting a child for any reason is not necessary.

[Niamh.]

Your problem is that you can't see the difference between an educational slap and beating a child. There is a difference.

Educational and Slap really don't belong together

[Alf]

Lol, what does that prove? Lots of high profile murderers were probably smacked as children and went on to be abusers.....corporal punishment did them the world of good. :shrug:

I am older than you Alf I think, my school had corporal punishment, my dad never hit me but my mum did on occasion, didn't stop me doing what I was doing though. I choose not to smack my child as violence never solves anything. He is a good kid and knows when I raise my voice or change my tone that he is doing something wrong. At the age he is now (nearly 9), the threat of losing football privileges etc would hurt him far more than a slap and teach him far better.Well if you want to bring up your children that way, then that's fair enough, but it shouldn't be up to you or any law to how other people raise their children.

We know that most of our parents had it as a deterrent and yes corporal punishment was still a thing when I started school. So we know it's not as bad as what people today are making out.

[Niamh.]

Well if you want to bring up your children that way, then that's fair enough, but it shouldn't be up to you or any law to how other people raise their children.

We know that most of our parents had it as a deterrent and yes corporal punishment was still a thing when I started school. So we know it's not as bad as what people today are making out.

If it's against the law to hit an adult, it most definitely should be against the law to hit a little kid, hope that helps

[Alf]

If it's legal for adults to drink alcohol and smoke, then it should be for kids.

Yeah right.

[Niamh.]

If it's legal for adults to drink alcohol and smoke, then it should be for kids.

Yeah right.

That makes zero sense but ok...........

[Alf]

In 10 years time, Scotland will be the child abuse capital of the west. Because some parents ain't gonna listen to this law, and for giving their unruly child a smacked arse, they might be thrown in prison and even have their child taken away from them. The child loses out, by losing their parents.

[Niamh.]

In 10 years time, Scotland will be the child abuse capital of the west. Because some parents ain't gonna listen to this law, and for giving their unruly child a smacked arse, they might be thrown in prison and even have their child taken away from them. The child loses out, by losing their parents.

What a fantastical leap :laugh2:

[Toy Soldier]

In 10 years time, Scotland will be the child abuse capital of the west. Because some parents ain't gonna listen to this law, and for giving their unruly child a smacked arse, they might be thrown in prison and even have their child taken away from them. The child loses out, by losing their parents.

Having young kids myself I know tonnes of parents and - thankfully - I can't think of many who would hit their kids anyway, ban or no ban. So I think your worried visions of swathes of parents off to jail are probably premature.

[Alf]

Having young kids myself I know tonnes of parents and - thankfully - I can't think of many who would hit their kids anyway, ban or no ban. So I think your worried visions of swathes of parents off to jail are probably premature.What's the law being introduced for then?

[Niamh.]

Having young kids myself I know tonnes of parents and - thankfully - I can't think of many who would hit their kids anyway, ban or no ban. So I think your worried visions of swathes of parents off to jail are probably premature.

The ban has been in Ireland since 2015 (iirc) and our jails haven't over flowed yet anyway :laugh:

[Niamh.]

What's the law being introduced for then?

Because hitting people is bad.

[Alf]

I've just Google'd "Parent sent to jail for smacking child" there's cases.

One mother was released after a judge said
"her actions were similar to many loving parents across the land"

[AnnieK]

If it's legal for adults to drink alcohol and smoke, then it should be for kids.

Yeah right.

We don't allow kids to drink or smoke to protect their well being.....which is another reason why this ban is a logical move

[Vicky.]

I agree with this I think

I also disagree that smacking is used as a means of dicipline, rather than the adult losing control of their temper..in the huge majority of cases anyway. I have smacked Skye once, never James. I felt so guilty too, and convinced mysef it was to teach her to behave, when really, it was a result of me losing it rather than anything else.

Also 'a tap' or whatever people say, its not that as a tap would..well not even slightly shock the child..which is apparently the reason for the 'tap'. I think many lie to themselves about it all tbh, I know I did for a while til I thought about it properly.

I think its slightly..dangerous to put smacking in the same category as beating mind.

[Alf]

You're all probably right, it's probably a lack of Youth clubs why children are now regularly stabbing each other to death on the streets.

A hug will sort them out.

[Vicky.]

Because there is clearly nothing between smacking a child and a hug?

IDK, I am quite conflicted on this really as I was smacked and as someone (parm?) said, I found shouting to be much much worse than smacking. And yes, kids need discipline and some simply do not respond to the likes of grounding, naughty step, etc.

But what made me think I am against it is basically..lets say a person in a nursing home was regressing and starting to behave like a child, being naughty on purpose, doing unsafe things.noone would think it was fine to just give them a 'bit of a tap' to try and get them to behave. So..I cannot really justify it for kids, despite doing it once myself.

[Alf]

It's the circle of life.

Us humans interfere far too much in nature, sometimes for the good, but sometimes we might think it's for the good, but actually we get things wrong. We're only human, afterall.

[AnnieK]

You're all probably right, it's probably a lack of Youth clubs why children are now regularly stabbing each other to death on the streets.

A hug will sort them out.

I don't understand that logic though Alf.....look at all the high profile serial killers of our recent past. The Moors Murderers, The Yorkshire Ripper, Shipman, Fred and Rose West etc etc......all were probably disciplined by smacking as children, didn't stop them from going on and murdering countless victims.

You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I don't understand that logic though Alf.....look at all the high profile serial killers of our recent past. The Moors Murderers, The Yorkshire Ripper, Shipman, Fred and Rose West etc etc......all were probably disciplined by smacking as children, didn't stop them from going on and murdering countless victims.



You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them :shrug:Exactly

[Alf]

I don't understand that logic though Alf.....look at all the high profile serial killers of our recent past. The Moors Murderers, The Yorkshire Ripper, Shipman, Fred and Rose West etc etc......all were probably disciplined by smacking as children, didn't stop them from going on and murdering countless victims.

You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them :shrug:It usually turns out in most cases of seriel killers, that they were physically or sexually abused, or both as a child.

I'm not talking about abusing a child, I'm talking about a smacked arse for doing wrong, so that a child associates doing wrong with having consequences.

The child doesn't cry because you hurt them with a slap to the arse, the child cries because it knows it's let down, disappointed the person whom gives it love, and they learn a lesson that doing bad things brings a negative to them.

[AnnieK]

It usually turns out in most cases of seriel killers, that they were physically or sexually abused, or both as a child.

I'm not talking about abusing a child, I'm talking about a smacked arse for doing wrong, so that a child associates doing wrong with having consequences.

The child doesn't cry because you hurt them with a slap to the arse, the child cries because it knows it's let down, disappointed the person whom gives it love, and they learn a lesson that doing bad things brings a negative to them.

And most children will respond to non-violent means of punishment. I will never agree that a smack is more effective that any other form discipline so we will just go round in circles for hours.

[Alf]

And most children will respond to non-violent means of punishment. I will never agree that a smack is more effective that any other form discipline so we will just go round in circles for hours.I'd rather we go around in circles on the debate, than governments dictating how people should bring up their children.

Put the question to the people of Scotland first, before enforcing a law such as this. Where does it stop?

[Vicky.]

You have no idea if the kids who are out stabbing each other now were hit as kids - maybe they were and so think that carrying out violent acts on each other is allowed coz well their parents hit them :shrug:

Well yes, this was part of my decision too tbh. Basically, people who smack to get kids to behave, are teaching them that violence is the way to get what you want. Its also quite ridiculous, as I have heard in a play area before, when a parent smacks their child..the reason? Because they hit another child. So you are punishing a child for hitting and telling them its wrong to hit someone, by hitting them D:

[Beso]

To be honest I was smacked as a kid..a lot....

It made me a bit of a **** in my teenage years.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://i.imgur.com/KYDdFsT.gif

[Vicky.]

I thin most people who are adults now were probably smacked as kids. Seeed to be very common and am sure there used to be a 'rule' that it was perfectly fine aslong as you did not leave a mark, which again is an odd rule..

[Tom4784]

I support this, a reliance on hitting a child as punishment is a mark of a bad parent. Kids shouldn't fear their parents.

[Alf]

Is it fair for me to say that the SNP are national socialists, who are now enforcing laws on the Scottish people?

Or am I wrong?

[Niamh.]

It usually turns out in most cases of seriel killers, that they were physically or sexually abused, or both as a child.

I'm not talking about abusing a child, I'm talking about a smacked arse for doing wrong, so that a child associates doing wrong with having consequences.

The child doesn't cry because you hurt them with a slap to the arse, the child cries because it knows it's let down, disappointed the person whom gives it love, and they learn a lesson that doing bad things brings a negative to them.

:laugh2:

No pretty sure they cry because it hurts

[Twosugars]

Is it fair for me to say that the SNP are national socialists, who are now enforcing laws on the Scottish people?

Or am I wrong?

:laugh3:

[Alf]

:laugh3:State your case.

[Twosugars]

State your case.

Go and learn some basic facts before you start comparing nazis to SNP bc it is embarrassing

[Alf]

Go and learn some basic facts before you start comparing nazis to SNP bc it is embarrassingWe know they're socialists, we know they're nationalists, we now see them enforcing a law on the Scottish people, in this thread.

Why is it so wide of the mark?

[Niamh.]

A law not to hit people shouldn't have to be "forced" on anyone, should have always been a thing tbf

[Twosugars]

We know they're socialists, we know they're nationalists, we now see them enforcing a law on the Scottish people, in this thread.

Why is it so wide of the mark?

Labels can be misleading. Best if you read about what national socialism and its programme was before you draw such conclusions

[Alf]

All I'm saying is, put it to the vote, let the people decide.

[Toy Soldier]

Alf were you under the impression that a public consultation has to take place every time a new law is brought in? This is not the case in literally ANY country and it never has been :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

All I'm saying is, put it to the vote, let the people decide.

Why should voters decide whether or not they should be allowed to hit non voters? That doesn't seem very fair

[Alf]

Alf were you under the impression that a public consultation has to take place every time a new law is brought in? This is not the case in literally ANY country and it never has been :facepalm:On something like this, when they're attempting to decide for you how to raise your own children, yes.

[Tom4784]

Also Alf? You shouldn't really oppose socialism because republicans do so in the US.... Unless you are saying you oppose such things as the NHS since that by it's very nature would be considered a socialist construct.

[Alf]

And by the way, I'm not opposing Nationalism or Socialism both have great quality's. I'm opposing authoritarianism from governments.

[Strictly Jake]

I know my dad would give me proper whollops as a kid, I had the wooden spoon at some point it snapped in half , I was threatened with a belt I don't think he used it though. I even got pinned to the wall at one time. I was so scared I would pee myself, looking back its not good parenting but I did show him respect. I think I was a very well behaved kid so I don't know what I did to deserve it... That said I get on really well with my dad now

I need to learn to discipline my kids properly I'd never whallop them but I do give a light tap on a hand especially if I have asked a lot of times I'd never use it as a first resort, and I do raise my voice and shout a bit too quickly which doesn't even work anyway so that needs work...

[Vicky.]

I know my dad would give me proper whollops as a kid, I had the wooden spoon at some point it snapped in half , I was threatened with a belt I don't think he used it though. I even got pinned to the wall at one time. I was so scared I would pee myself, looking back its not good parenting but I did show him respect. I think I was a very well behaved kid so I don't know what I did to deserve it... That said I get on really well with my dad now

I need to learn to discipline my kids properly I'd never whallop them but I do give a light tap on a hand especially if I have asked a lot of times I'd never use it as a first resort, and I do raise my voice and shout a bit too quickly which doesn't even work anyway so that needs work...

Everyone who smacks, or is considering it says stuff like this. However, everyone knows a 'light tap on the hand' would do nothing at all, so would be pointless. It seems hard for people to acknowledge that they are hitting a child, not 'tapping' them. I get it though..the use of language like that to convice yourself that its all fine...

[Niamh.]

Everyone who smacks, or is considering it says stuff like this. However, everyone knows a 'light tap on the hand' would do nothing at all, so would be pointless. It seems hard for people to acknowledge that they are hitting a child, not 'tapping' them. I get it though..the use of language like that to convice yourself that its all fine...

Exactly, if you're not hitting to hurt then it's pointless and will not give them any sort of "lesson"

[Beso]

Shouting in a child's face will effect them more negatively than a smacked arse will.

[Niamh.]

Shouting in a child's face will effect them more negatively than a smacked arse will.

I wouldn't shout in anyone's face

[Toy Soldier]

Shouting in a child's face will effect them more negatively than a smacked arse will.

Probably but it's not one or the other... you can just do neither of those...

[Alf]

Probably but it's not one or the other... you can just do neither of those...What if you asked your child to do something and they told you to fook off, and repeated doing that every time you asked them to do or not do something.

This happens. How do you deal with it?

[Ammi]

...raising a hand to a child is displaying the very opposite of self control, which is what they’re meant to be learning...

[Alf]

...raising a hand to a child is displaying the very opposite of self control, which is what they’re meant to be learning...Doing wrong things in life, comes with consequences is the lesson, I think

[Ammi]

....and learning consequences is important, rather than learning a slap...if you do wrong in my eyes, I will hit you...that’s how big I am and how small you are, is not any definition of a lesson that will positively benefit the character of a child in any way...

[Alf]

They'll go through much, much more stress and trauma in their lives than getting a tanned arse for misbehaving.

[Beso]

Probably but it's not one or the other... you can just do neither of those...

Parenting is simple...


Just be as big a kid as they are..they will always look up to you..

Until they are bigger than you, but the jobs already been done by then...let them moan about not having any discipline in thier lIves when they were younger as they explain away thier flaws in thier 40s..

[AnnieK]

Parenting is simple...


Just be as big a kid as they are..they will always look up to you..

Until they are bigger than you, but the jobs already been done by then...let them moan about not having any discipline in thier lIves when they were younger as they explain away thier flaws in thier 40s..

You can discipline kids without hitting them. Many perfectly rounded adults were not hit as children.

[Elliot]

somethings always rubbed me the wrong way about using violence to discipline children

[Beso]

You can discipline kids without hitting them. Many perfectly rounded adults were not hit as children.

And many were..maybe parents should be allowed to judge how thier own kids would react to certain disciplines or what thier own kid needs for discipline.

[Jessica.]

Hitting kids is so primitive. Whenever I experienced it or witnessed it, it was always because the parent was angry or didn't know what else to do. Very sad.

[arista]

Hitting kids is so primitive. Whenever I experienced it or witnessed it, it was always because the parent was angry or didn't know what else to do. Very sad.


Many things are
including the Spanish Bull race through Streets,

[Jessica.]

Many things are

including the Spanish Bull race through Streets,Yeah, I don't think that should be done either. I've never supported anything like that though. I stand by my opinion that physically hurting children as a form of punishment is oafish.

[Toy Soldier]

Yeah, I don't think that should be done either. I've never supported anything like that though. I stand by my opinion that physically hurting children as a form of punishment is oafish.

I agree, I constantly see this suggestion that smacking can be done in a level-headed, deliberate way without anger as a fully considered part of parenting... and yet, I have literally NEVER seen a parent hit a child when it wasn't simply a case of them getting angry and losing control. I think "calm smacking" is a lie and an excuse.

[Beso]

I agree, I constantly see this suggestion that smacking can be done in a level-headed, deliberate way without anger as a fully considered part of parenting... and yet, I have literally NEVER seen a parent hit a child when it wasn't simply a case of them getting angry and losing control. I think "calm smacking" is a lie and an excuse.



Wasn't that how it used to be done..the father would put the naughty child over his knee when he came home from work...I think I was parented by a man who experienced that...it made him chase me from the living room up and half way up the stairs to smack my bare legs a good few times in a total rage ...that made me the father I am...I think my grandkids upbringing will be peaceful.

[Niamh.]

I agree, I constantly see this suggestion that smacking can be done in a level-headed, deliberate way without anger as a fully considered part of parenting... and yet, I have literally NEVER seen a parent hit a child when it wasn't simply a case of them getting angry and losing control. I think "calm smacking" is a lie and an excuse."Calm smacking" seems even weirder [emoji23]

[Kizzy]

We know they're socialists, we know they're nationalists, we now see them enforcing a law on the Scottish people, in this thread.

Why is it so wide of the mark?

Not this nazis were socialists rollocks again?... oh my days :joker:

[Twosugars]

Doing wrong things in life, comes with consequences is the lesson, I think

Yup, like brexit :laugh:

[Beso]

Yup, like brexit :laugh:

Ofgs.:sleep:

[Liberty4eva]

Scotland is an interesting beast. They're the first place I am aware of that made it illegal for dog-owners to teach their dogs the Nazi salute. Very odd.

[Beso]

Scotland is an interesting beast. They're the first place I am aware of that made it illegal for dog-owners to teach their dogs the Nazi salute. Very odd.

America is riddled with Scots .has been since the signing...how many of them were scottish again?

15 or something out of 49..

[Liberty4eva]

They were overwhelmingly of English descent. Interesting fact, during the American War for Independence, Americans were pretty divided (about 1/3 were for Leave, 1/5 were for Remain, and the rest wanted another referendum :hehe:). Scots were overwhelmingly loyal to the British crown.

[Beso]

They were overwhelmingly of English descent. Interesting fact, during the American War for Independence, Americans were pretty divided (about 1/3 were for Leave, 1/5 were for Remain, and the rest wanted another referendum :hehe:). Scots were overwhelmingly loyal to the British crown.

https://www.electricscotland.com/history/descendants/chap5.htm#targetText=Scots%20and%20the%20Declarati on%20of%20Independence&targetText=OF%20the%20fifty%2Dsix%20members,Jersey %20were%20natives%20of%20Scotland.



As a scot, I will take all that as riddled.

[Liberty4eva]

https://www.electricscotland.com/history/descendants/chap5.htm#targetText=Scots%20and%20the%20Declarati on%20of%20Independence&targetText=OF%20the%20fifty%2Dsix%20members,Jersey %20were%20natives%20of%20Scotland.



As a scot, I will take all that as riddled.

I like Scotland but the relationship between Scotland and America during the War for American Independence was an odd one. Scottish tended to be loyalists to British crown. That's an interesting article you have given me. Here's an interesting one I'll share with you:

In both Scotland and America, the overwhelming majority of Scots rejected colonial theories about the rights of Englishmen and remained loyal to the British crown. Scottish emigrants, more often than not, became Loyalists and participated in large numbers in the armed provincial regiments. The most sophisticated retort to the Declaration of Independence, The Rights of Great Britain Asserted Against the Claims of America: being an Answer to the Declaration of the General Congress, was penned by James Macpherson, a Scottish member of parliament who, in addition to his well-known fabrications of Gaelic poetry, also wrote for the North government.[2] For a nation that had won its independence from England in the early fourteenth century and had fought numerous wars to protect this independence, such loyalty may seem bizarre. This article will attempt to explain, in part, why this was not as odd as it might seem.

https://allthingsliberty.com/2013/10/scotland-american-revolution/