What do YOU think Extinction Rebellion or similar should be doing?

[Oliver_W]

The environment is one of my only strong convictions when it comes to politics adjacent things, so when I see a group which actively stands for what I believe in pissing everyone off instead of inspiring, I just feel disappointed.

Here's what I would do if I ran such a group:

Stop/limit the building over our countryside and Green Belt
- Destroys animals' habitats
- Builds over farmland - we'll be producing less, so importing more, relying on fuels to bring the stuff in
- Ruins tight-nit communities
- Trees, grass, and other greenery turn carbon dioxide into oxygen.

Stop/limit the expansion of big roads
Basically for most of the above. Bigger roads almost always run alongside woodland or farmland.

Blockade fracking sites
Because of the damage fracking does

Edit: and of course
Encourage re-forestation

[Alf]

Let's see what the Boomers say.


Climate kids, when pointing fingers, just remember. It was our generation that introduced re-cycling to keep up with the demand of consumption from your generation.

When we were kids the only fast food was the local chippy and it came wrapped in newspaper not a polystyrene case. Our energy drink was Lucozade and it came in a glass bottle that we would take back to the shop to re-cycle. We walked or biked to School or work and didn't ask mum or dad to drive us because it was raining and we didn't want to get wet.

We had hand me down clothes and used a payphone if we needed to make a call. We remember power cuts on a regular basis and played board games and read by candlelight. Our homes had single glazed windows that would ice up in winter and we shared our bedrooms that were so cold you could see your breath, with our brothers or sisters. We didn't have central heating.

Have you ever had to use somebody else's bath water after they have finished? We have.

We didn't have TVs in our bedrooms left on standby 24 hours a day or mobile devices that have to be charged if the battery drops below 80%.

Our holidays were in the UK in tents not in ibiza and we didn't get there by plane.

It is you that is the mass consumer that demands the latest phone, fashion, fast food, holidays and transportation. So point the finger of blame at yourselves, you self-indulgent, needy, greedy, ignorant, unapologetic, rude, selfish generation.

[arista]

They should go through the Green Party

They are a Bunch of Nutters

[Tom4784]

Let's see what the Boomers say.


Climate kids, when pointing fingers, just remember. It was our generation that introduced re-cycling to keep up with the demand of consumption from your generation.

When we were kids the only fast food was the local chippy and it came wrapped in newspaper not a polystyrene case. Our energy drink was Lucozade and it came in a glass bottle that we would take back to the shop to re-cycle. We walked or biked to School or work and didn't ask mum or dad to drive us because it was raining and we didn't want to get wet.

We had hand me down clothes and used a payphone if we needed to make a call. We remember power cuts on a regular basis and played board games and read by candlelight. Our homes had single glazed windows that would ice up in winter and we shared our bedrooms that were so cold you could see your breath, with our brothers or sisters. We didn't have central heating.

Have you ever had to use somebody else's bath water after they have finished? We have.

We didn't have TVs in our bedrooms left on standby 24 hours a day or mobile devices that have to be charged if the battery drops below 80%.

Our holidays were in the UK in tents not in ibiza and we didn't get there by plane.

It is you that is the mass consumer that demands the latest phone, fashion, fast food, holidays and transportation. So point the finger of blame at yourselves, you self-indulgent, needy, greedy, ignorant, unapologetic, rude, selfish generation.

Stick a picture of a minion on this post and it could be a terrible facebook boomer meme.

[Oliver_W]

Stick a picture of a minion on this post and it could be a terrible facebook boomer meme.

Haha! This is true, but a lot could be said for shrinking down "consumer culture", and I honestly wouldn't hate it if all home-based technology was dialled back 10-15 years.

[Tom4784]

The Extinction Rebellion has to rely on disruption because there's not a whole lot they can do. They can't really control development in the countryside or stop roads from being expanded, both are excellent ideas but they have to be taken on board by the government and councils and they don't want to listen to traditional protests. Blocking Fracking sites is a good idea that they could do (And they probably do).

The problem is that the government only care about the environment superficially. I think a lot of people bemoaning the Extinction Rebellion are generally missing the point of it. Normal protests don't work, you've got to cause some disruption and given the people in power a reason to pay attention if you want them to listen.

[Alf]

Will people go without the PlayStation 5 to save the planet? Will you?

Will Brits holiday in the UK to save the planet? Will you?

I will, I already do, and I couldn't give a sh1te about climate change.

[Cherie]

They should be running adverts on TV and in cinema educating the public on how to reduce their impact with simple doable everyday measures, not advocating people to STOP FLYING (while flying in yourself from the other side of the world :laugh:) causing nuisance and traffic jams and inexplicably targetting public transport

[Alf]

Stick a picture of a minion on this post and it could be a terrible facebook boomer meme.Then the last 5 words of that piece identify you perfectly.

[Twosugars]

Let's see what the Boomers say.


Climate kids, when pointing fingers, just remember. It was our generation that introduced re-cycling to keep up with the demand of consumption from your generation.

When we were kids the only fast food was the local chippy and it came wrapped in newspaper not a polystyrene case. Our energy drink was Lucozade and it came in a glass bottle that we would take back to the shop to re-cycle. We walked or biked to School or work and didn't ask mum or dad to drive us because it was raining and we didn't want to get wet.

We had hand me down clothes and used a payphone if we needed to make a call. We remember power cuts on a regular basis and played board games and read by candlelight. Our homes had single glazed windows that would ice up in winter and we shared our bedrooms that were so cold you could see your breath, with our brothers or sisters. We didn't have central heating.

Have you ever had to use somebody else's bath water after they have finished? We have.

We didn't have TVs in our bedrooms left on standby 24 hours a day or mobile devices that have to be charged if the battery drops below 80%.

Our holidays were in the UK in tents not in ibiza and we didn't get there by plane.

It is you that is the mass consumer that demands the latest phone, fashion, fast food, holidays and transportation. So point the finger of blame at yourselves, you self-indulgent, needy, greedy, ignorant, unapologetic, rude, selfish generation.

Again, how old are you exactly? Next thing you'll be telling us about the blitz

All these things were not out of choice. People couldn't do it any other way.
Not to mention that if you're playing blame game older generations would have to take responsibility for dirty industrialisation too

[Cherie]

Will people go without the PlayStation 5 to save the planet? Will you?

Will Brits holiday in the UK to save the planet? Will you?

I will, I already do, and I couldn't give a sh1te about climate change.

Thats the problem isn’t it, standing around hand wringing and expecting someone else to do something, while carrying on with business as usual, its up to every individual to look at their own habits and dial it back if they are really serious about helping the planet

[Tom4784]

Haha! This is true, but a lot could be said for shrinking down "consumer culture", and I honestly wouldn't hate it if all home-based technology was dialled back 10-15 years.

Yeah, the phone industry in particular could do with slowing down although it never will, like with the fashion industry, it encourages disposable products that have an adverse effect on the environment.

The gaming industry is a good example of how to do things, I feel. Each generation is getting longer and consoles don't tend to get disposed of because of a collector culture that turns every console and game into a collectable. I doubt there's many older consoles (that aren't completely broken) that are sitting in landfills.

[Alf]

Again, how old are you exactly? Next thing you'll be telling us about the blitz

All these things were not out of choice. People couldn't do it any other way.
Not to mention that if you're playing blame game older generations would have to take responsibility for dirty industrialisation tooRead properly.

I say at the top, "what the Boomers say." This isn't me saying it. Stop trying to make it out as though I'm saying it, I'm just passing on the message.

[Twosugars]

Thats the problem isn’t it, standing around hand wringing and expecting someone else to do something, while carrying on with business as usual, its up to every individual to look at their own habits and dial it back if they are really serious about helping the planet

Another self-appointed oracle :laugh:
What do you do except for sarky comments about the protesters?

[Twosugars]

Read properly.

I say at the top, "what the Boomers say." This isn't me saying it. Stop trying to make it out as though I'm saying it, I'm just passing on the message.

The rest of my post still stands

[Tom4784]

Will people go without the PlayStation 5 to save the planet? Will you?

Will Brits holiday in the UK to save the planet? Will you?

I will, I already do, and I couldn't give a sh1te about climate change.

The problem with power usage isn't the amount of power used, it's the kind of power used. If renewable energy became the prime power source then it wouldn't matter to the environment if people used electronics or not. It's the use of fossil fuels that are the problem so your attempt to shame younger generations has pretty much fallen on it's face.

[Cherie]

Another self-appointed oracle :laugh:
What do you do except for sarky comments about the protesters?

Practice what you preach about personal remarks maybe?

I’m no oracle, just talking common sense :hee:

[Alf]

The problem with power usage isn't the amount of power used, it's the kind of power used. If renewable energy became the prime power source then it wouldn't matter to the environment if people used electronics or not. It's the use of fossil fuels that are the problem so your attempt to shame younger generations has pretty much fallen on it's face.That piece I posted was aimed at my generation too. So your observations are wrong again.

[AnnieK]

Again, how old are you exactly? Next thing you'll be telling us about the blitz

All these things were not out of choice. People couldn't do it any other way.
Not to mention that if you're playing blame game older generations would have to take responsibility for dirty industrialisation too
Tbf.....I am 43 and remember a lot of that from my childhood (not all but a lot). Most households only had 1 car (if they were lucky), I never holidayed abroad till I was 18, but what posts like that don't say is a lot of homes still had coal fires pumping out into the air etc

[Tom4784]

That piece I posted was aimed at my generation too. So your observations are wrong again.

If that's all you're focusing on from that post then you've missed the point, as always.

[Alf]

Tbf.....I am 43 and remember a lot of that from ky childhood (not all but a lot). Mist households only had 1 car (if they were lucky), I never holidayed abroad till I was 18, but what posts like that don't say is a lot of homes still had coal fires pumping out into the air etcThey may have had coal fires, but they didn't whine about it and tell everybody else that they need to Change their ways because they're killing the people and the planet.

[Alf]

If that's all you're focusing on from that post then you've missed the point, as always.I posted a message from a boomer online, and somehow, you've tried to turn it on me.

You just want to argue with me, don't you?

[AnnieK]

They may have had coal fires, but they didn't whine about it and tell everybody else that they need to Change their ways because they're killing the people and the planet.

They didn't whine Alf, because we were unaware of the serious impact it was having on the planet. What people are trying to do now is educate....the planet is dying part because of what we did back in the day. If we want future generations to thrive, we need to start making changes again and quickly

[Alf]

They didn't whine Alf, because we were unaware of the serious impact it was having on the planet Alf. What people are trying to do now is educate....the planet is dying part because of what we did back in the day. If we want future generations to thrive, we need to start making changes again and quicklyThere were death cults around then too. Go look them up, you'll see a resemblance to the ones we see now.

[Kazanne]

According to LBC,this morning Britain is only responsible for 2% of climate change so we are doing something right, these people should target China and the like as if they and similar countries don't comply,what we are doing is absolutely useless, or maybe they could go and clear the beaches etc of rubbish and plastic,they would be sending out a message and doing some good,I think most of us know the planet is in a mess,but if some people don't give a ****,its pointless trying to save it, the planet would probably thrive better without us anyway.

[Oliver_W]

According to LBC,this morning Britain is only responsible for 2% of climate change so we are doing something right, these people should target China and the like as if they and similar countries don't comply,what we are doing is absolutely useless, or maybe they could go and clear the beaches etc of rubbish and plastic,they would be sending out a message and doing some good,I think most of us know the planet is in a mess,but if some people don't give a ****,its pointless trying to save it, the planet would probably thrive better without us anyway.

Oh okay, we count for so little pollution we may as well just keep expanding until there's no green left and continue using toxic solutions to create energy. Got it.

Polluted areas cause more illnesses, especially among children and the elderly, so it's not just a global problem.

[Tom4784]

I'll always be bemused by parents that are apathetic or downright oppose any kind of environmental action. This is the world your children will inherit.

[Alf]

Just bored people with too much time on their hands and wanting to feel and look important.

People get bored of Peace time, that's why there will always be war.

[Kazanne]

Oh okay, we count for so little pollution we may as well just keep expanding until there's no green left and continue using toxic solutions to create energy. Got it.

Polluted areas cause more illnesses, especially among children and the elderly, so it's not just a global problem.

I didn't say that Oliver of course we have to keep doing our bit , we are at least trying unlike some countries who aren't , so no you haven't got it, I am all for saving the planet, but, other countries also have to do their bit, I never said we should be building everwhere and using toxic solutions,i don't know where you pulled that from tbh.:shrug:

[Oliver_W]

I didn't say that Oliver of course we have to keep doing our bit , we are at least trying unlike some countries who aren't , so no you haven't got it, I am all for saving the planet, but, other countries also have to do their bit, I never said we should be building everwhere and using toxic solutions,i don't know where you pulled that from tbh.:shrug:

For all their faults, Extinction Rebellion don't live in India or China. While I don't agree with their methods, they're doing what they think will make a difference in their own country.

[Kazanne]

For all their faults, Extinction Rebellion don't live in India or China. While I don't agree with their methods, they're doing what they think will make a difference in their own country.

I know they are, but it seems to be having a negative effect.

[Oliver_W]

I know they are, but it seems to be having a negative effect.

That's literally the point my o/p was making :joker:

[Twosugars]

There were death cults around then too. Go look them up, you'll see a resemblance to the ones we see now.

You've been brainwashed by the fossil fuel industry and climate deniers but you dont even realise that :laugh:

[Alf]

You've been brainwashed by the fossil fuel industry and climate deniers but you dont even realise that :laugh:Maybe, or maybe it's you who has?

Time will tell.

[Twosugars]

I know they are, but it seems to be having a negative effect.

Populations of the UK’s most important wildlife have plummeted by an average of 60% since 1970, according to the most comprehensive analysis to date.

The State of Nature report also found that the area inhabited by officially designated “priority species” has shrunk by 27%. The species are those deemed most important and threatened, and include hedgehogs, hares and bats, many birds such as the willow tit and the turtle dove, and insects such as the high brown fritillary butterfly.

The report finds the losses to all animals, plants and marine life show no sign of letting up, despite some successes in protecting individual species. It found that 41% of species have decreased in abundance, while just 26% have increased.

A quarter of UK mammals and nearly half of the birds assessed are at risk of extinction, according to the report, which was produced by a coalition of more than 70 wildlife organisations and government conservation agencies. When plants, insects and fungi are added, one in seven of the 8,400 UK species assessed are at risk of being completely lost, with 133 already gone since 1500.

The causes of the losses are the intensification of farming, pollution from fertiliser, manure and plastic, the destruction of habitats for houses, the climate crisis and invasive alien species. The State of Nature report shows no significant improvement since the last one in 2016, which said the UK was “among the most nature-depleted countries in the world”.The Guardian


If you paid attention you'd realize by their name this particular movement emphasizes the mass extinction we are living through
Britain's wildlife is dying

[Twosugars]

Maybe, or maybe it's you who has?

Time will tell.

The science is objective. Always stick to science, not the spin

[Kazanne]

Thats the problem isn’t it, standing around hand wringing and expecting someone else to do something, while carrying on with business as usual, its up to every individual to look at their own habits and dial it back if they are really serious about helping the planet

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Twosugars]

Clap away.

XR and other people will carry on and only get stronger no matter what a few pearl-clutchers on tibb say
This convo is a waste of time :pat:

[Oliver_W]

Populations of the UK’s most important wildlife have plummeted by an average of 60% since 1970, according to the most comprehensive analysis to date.

The State of Nature report also found that the area inhabited by officially designated “priority species” has shrunk by 27%. The species are those deemed most important and threatened, and include hedgehogs, hares and bats, many birds such as the willow tit and the turtle dove, and insects such as the high brown fritillary butterfly.

The report finds the losses to all animals, plants and marine life show no sign of letting up, despite some successes in protecting individual species. It found that 41% of species have decreased in abundance, while just 26% have increased.

A quarter of UK mammals and nearly half of the birds assessed are at risk of extinction, according to the report, which was produced by a coalition of more than 70 wildlife organisations and government conservation agencies. When plants, insects and fungi are added, one in seven of the 8,400 UK species assessed are at risk of being completely lost, with 133 already gone since 1500.

The causes of the losses are the intensification of farming, pollution from fertiliser, manure and plastic, the destruction of habitats for houses, the climate crisis and invasive alien species. The State of Nature report shows no significant improvement since the last one in 2016, which said the UK was “among the most nature-depleted countries in the world”.The Guardian


If you paid attention you'd realize by their name this particular movement emphasizes the mass extinction we are living through
Britain's wildlife is dying
Exactly! This is the kind of stuff which worries me most at the moment - whether or not we make a big difference to the world is one thing; but we're certainly having a negative effect on our little section of the wider world.

[James]

If I ran such a group I would encourage governments to set up a worldwide fund for research and development into new technology that will combat climate change.

[Cherie]

Clap away.

XR and other people will carry on and only get stronger no matter what a few pearl-clutchers on tibb say
This convo is a waste of time :pat:

Not sure you understand the term ‘pearl clutchers’ as you are the one who appears to be doing that, supporting a protest that is achieving nada, even one of the co-founders on the blog I posted yesterday acknowleged that climate change isn’t their primary aim :laugh:

So pat away :D:

[Tom4784]

Not sure you understand the term ‘pearl clutchers’ as you are the one who appears to be doing that, supporting a protest that is achieving nada, even one of the co-founders on the blog I posted yesterday acknowleged that climate change isn’t their primary aim :laugh:

So pat away :D:

You don't understand what 'pearl clutching' means if that's what you are leading with, Cherie.

[Cherie]

You don't understand what 'pearl clutching' means if that's what you are leading with, Cherie.

I believe I do...

[Marsh.]

Let's see what the Boomers say.


Climate kids, when pointing fingers, just remember. It was our generation that introduced re-cycling to keep up with the demand of consumption from your generation.

When we were kids the only fast food was the local chippy and it came wrapped in newspaper not a polystyrene case. Our energy drink was Lucozade and it came in a glass bottle that we would take back to the shop to re-cycle. We walked or biked to School or work and didn't ask mum or dad to drive us because it was raining and we didn't want to get wet.

We had hand me down clothes and used a payphone if we needed to make a call. We remember power cuts on a regular basis and played board games and read by candlelight. Our homes had single glazed windows that would ice up in winter and we shared our bedrooms that were so cold you could see your breath, with our brothers or sisters. We didn't have central heating.

Have you ever had to use somebody else's bath water after they have finished? We have.

We didn't have TVs in our bedrooms left on standby 24 hours a day or mobile devices that have to be charged if the battery drops below 80%.

Our holidays were in the UK in tents not in ibiza and we didn't get there by plane.

It is you that is the mass consumer that demands the latest phone, fashion, fast food, holidays and transportation. So point the finger of blame at yourselves, you self-indulgent, needy, greedy, ignorant, unapologetic, rude, selfish generation.

"Were" "did"

If you're not doing all that now it's useless bleating about bathing in dirty water.

As though today's youth are living in an electrical/throw-away world that YOU aren't a part of.

[Kizzy]

Hand wringing? ... I dont understand the mocking tones and the refusal to acknowledge that this is bigger than a societal problem, this is a governmental issue whatever we do individually it will never be enough to prevent climate change.

There has to be energy industry changes, legislation to reduce pollution levels and prevent mass extinctions, a global effort.
This is what holds back progress, the 'I'm alright jack' attitude to the issue which denigrates anyone who challenges the status quo.

Can you not see the legions of doctors protesting because infant mortality is rising exponentially here due to air quality?
All we can do is protest for change, campaigning has not worked nobody listened.

We only contribute 2% to global pollution. .. this country is a thousand miles from one end to the other so proportionally on a global scale that is a MASSIVE amount, the commentators at LBC won't share that perspective though as we then look like China who have other priorities over the environment.

Hand wringing. .. pffft!

[Marsh.]

Hand wringing? ... I dont understand the mocking tones and the refusal to acknowledge that this is bigger than a societal problem, this is a governmental issue whatever we do individually it will never be enough to prevent climate change.

There has to be energy industry changes, legislation to reduce pollution levels and prevent mass extinctions, a global effort.
This is what holds back progress, the 'I'm alright jack' attitude to the issue which denigrates anyone who challenges the status quo.

Can you not see the legions of doctors protesting because infant mortality is rising exponentially here due to air quality?
All we can do is protest for change, campaigning has not worked nobody listened.

We only contribute 2% to global pollution. .. this country is a thousand miles from one end to the other so proportionally on a global scale that is a MASSIVE amount, the commentators at LBC won't share that perspective though as we then look like China who have other priorities over the environment.

Hand wringing. .. pffft!

:clap1:

[joeysteele]

Populations of the UK’s most important wildlife have plummeted by an average of 60% since 1970, according to the most comprehensive analysis to date.

The State of Nature report also found that the area inhabited by officially designated “priority species” has shrunk by 27%. The species are those deemed most important and threatened, and include hedgehogs, hares and bats, many birds such as the willow tit and the turtle dove, and insects such as the high brown fritillary butterfly.

The report finds the losses to all animals, plants and marine life show no sign of letting up, despite some successes in protecting individual species. It found that 41% of species have decreased in abundance, while just 26% have increased.

A quarter of UK mammals and nearly half of the birds assessed are at risk of extinction, according to the report, which was produced by a coalition of more than 70 wildlife organisations and government conservation agencies. When plants, insects and fungi are added, one in seven of the 8,400 UK species assessed are at risk of being completely lost, with 133 already gone since 1500.

The causes of the losses are the intensification of farming, pollution from fertiliser, manure and plastic, the destruction of habitats for houses, the climate crisis and invasive alien species. The State of Nature report shows no significant improvement since the last one in 2016, which said the UK was “among the most nature-depleted countries in the world”.The Guardian


If you paid attention you'd realize by their name this particular movement emphasizes the mass extinction we are living through
Britain's wildlife is dying



It's really worrying.

I think the movement could tone down a little and ensure little disruption takes place when they're protesting.

Having said that, I won't condemn them and actually if I was where they were would even join in with the campaigning.

I admire their efforts..
.sadly some like to pay lip service to the worrying losses and dangers as listed in your post.
Then can only condemn those fighting against it and drawing attention to the issues.

Like this thread.
The group doing these protests have got people talking.
The list you have posted above..
The other issues they are highlighting too, getting raised and talked about.

So I applaud what they are doing.
Far more than I ever would those who may possibly prefer to moan at them and put down their efforts.
While adding some token lip service to the glaring dangers to come, if much more isn't done to deal with the issues being raised and highlighted.

Great post from you Twosugars.

[Cherie]

It's really worrying.

I think the movement could tone down a little and ensure little disruption takes place when they're protesting.

Having said that, I won't condemn them and actually if I was where they were would even join in with the campaigning.

I admire their efforts..
.sadly some like to pay lip service to the worrying losses and dangers as listed in your post.
Then can only condemn those fighting against it and drawing attention to the issues.

Like this thread.
The group doing these protests have got people talking.
The list you have posted above..
The other issues they are highlighting too, getting raised and talked about.

So I applaud what they are doing.
Far more than I ever would those who may possibly prefer to moan at them and putbdown their efforts.
While adding some token lip service to the glaring dangers to come, if much more isn't done to deal with the issues being raised and highlighted.

Great post from you Twosugars.

very easy for you to say when you have been unaffected by their protests

[Marsh.]

very easy for you to say when you have been unaffected by their protests

Very easy for you to say when you've not experienced the effects of climate change! :oh:

[Cherie]

Very easy for you to say when you've not experienced the effects of climate change! :oh:

I'm currently very hot :oh:

[Kizzy]

If I ran such a group I would encourage governments to set up a worldwide fund for research and development into new technology that will combat climate change.

That exists.
https://www.who.int/globalchange/financial_sources_adaptation_implementation/en/

[lewis111]

It's quite difficult because on the one hand, if you want radical change you have to do somewhat radical things. Handing out leaflets and doing pop up stands round the country isn't going to save the planet.
But this group often seem to be more style than substance. They can grab your attention but you don't quite know what they want you or the governments to do.

They need to focus more on solutions and direct meetings etc with politicians and in the media rather than these large demonstrations and protests that seems to somehow go as far to put people often wanting to save the planet

[Kizzy]

It's quite difficult because on the one hand, if you want radical change you have to do somewhat radical things. Handing out leaflets and doing pop up stands round the country isn't going to save the planet.
But this group often seem to be more style than substance. They can grab your attention but you don't quite know what they want you or the governments to do.

They need to focus more on solutions and direct meetings etc with politicians and in the media rather than these large demonstrations and protests that seems to somehow go as far to put people often wanting to save the planet

You could research that yourself... there have been many many speeches not only by Greta that pinpoint specific areas that require immediate intervention. It's not up to the public to devise a global governmental response is it?

It puts people off wanting to save the planet?.. Is that what you said there, I couldn't quite believe my eyes.

[Kazanne]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

[Alf]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.Trust me, the people advocating all this won't be giving up their lifestyles.

Do as I say, not as I do. That's their message.

[joeysteele]

Very easy for you to say when you've not experienced the effects of climate change! :oh:

Indeed, and I agree with you.

Also since I clearly stated, were I anywhere where they were, I'd actually join in supporting their protests or campaign.

That in effect just about blows the criticism of myself out the window.

[Nicky91]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

wish this climate change protesting nonsense would stop :idc:

[Cherie]

Indeed, and I agree with you.

Also since I clearly stated, were I anywhere where they were, I'd actually join in supporting their protests or campaign.

That in effect just about blows the criticism of myself out the window.

There are trains into London from all over the country, hop on one and join in, its not difficult

[Cherie]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

Great post Kaz

[Marsh.]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

But... again... the problem isn't really holidays/TV's etc per se. It's the SOURCE of the power. That takes the people in control, with the money and the resources to ACTIVELY take steps to make the necessary changes.

Bleating about "This smartphone generation" is ridiculous and a piss poor counter-argument.

[Alf]

But... again... the problem isn't really holidays/TV's etc per se. It's the SOURCE of the power. That takes the people in control, with the money and the resources to ACTIVELY take steps to make the necessary changes.

Bleating about "This smartphone generation" is ridiculous and a piss poor counter-argument.It's a better argument than glueing your tits to the pavement.

[Kizzy]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

You are missing the point entirely Kazanne.

[Cherie]

But... again... the problem isn't really holidays/TV's etc per se. It's the SOURCE of the power. That takes the people in control, with the money and the resources to ACTIVELY take steps to make the necessary changes.

Bleating about "This smartphone generation" is ridiculous and a piss poor counter-argument.

So there is no point in recycling either then? What’s the smartphone generation every one from 9 to 90 has one now more or less

[Marsh.]

So there is no point in recycling either then?

Who said that?

Recycling is only possible because the people who can actually make that possible did so.

You alone and your neighbour reusing glass bottles at home won't have made much difference, but the actual manufacture of recyclable/re-useable materials and setting up the industries to recycle them.

That's the point. The people in power and with the resources need to open their eyes and act to make change, otherwise Jimmy giving up his xbox and smartphone is utterly pointless.

[Cherie]

Who said that?

Recycling is only possible because the people who can actually make that possible did so.

You alone and your neighbour reusing glass bottles at home won't have made much difference, but the actual manufacture of recyclable/re-useable materials and setting up the industries to recycle them.

That's the point. The people in power and with the resources need to open their eyes and act to make change, otherwise Jimmy giving up his xbox and smartphone is utterly pointless.

I think it needs input from everyone, not just one side, I completely agree that so much more could be done by companies but the public have to be invested as well, and Ex Reb just aren’t garnering public support in the way they could

[Kizzy]

So there is no point in recycling either then? What’s the smartphone generation every one from 9 to 90 has one now more or less

Of course theres a point, we are doing our bit but it's never going to be enough without industry wide change, laws, protections and regulations... none of which many countries seem inclined to do.

For years the advice has been recycle, be energy efficient, go green, cut down waste, don't waste water, reduce emissions.
Is it any wonder that people who have done their best in yhe modern day are asking their respective governments ' what are YOU doing?! '

[Marsh.]

I think it needs input from everyone, not just one side, I completely agree that so much more could be done by companies but the public have to be invested as well, and Ex Reb just aren’t garnering public support in the way they could

Oh definitely. I just felt Kaz's approach was from entirely the wrong perspective.

[Marsh.]

Of course theres a point, we are doing our bit but it's never going to be enough without industry wide change, laws, protections and regulations... none of which many countries seem inclined to do.

For years the advice has been recycle, be energy efficient, go green, cut down waste, don't waste water, reduce emissions.
Is it any wonder that people who have done their best in yhe modern day are asking their respective governments ' what are YOU doing?! '

Exactly this.

A lot of individual households have been doing "their bit" for a long time now. It goes nowhere without the governments doing "their bit" which is a far more substantial part of the battle.

Made even harder when you've got people like Trump in charge directing money to utterly pointless brick walls.

[Kizzy]

It's exasperation. . What's left but protest?
There have been campaigns, awareness raised, petitions, expert analysis, scientific evidence, celebrity endorsement, televised appeals for years and years and years... This is what's left as all that has failed to make any qualitative change in the way the issue is addressed globally.

[Kazanne]

It's a better argument than glueing your tits to the pavement.

:joker::joker::joker: Ouch Alf :laugh:

[Shaun]

Such myopic, Little Britain thinking on here... all the bloody time.

[Kazanne]

It's always other peoples faults ,it's not , it's down to us all, from big companies to the small individual, no good shouting the odds, that wont save anyone.

[Twosugars]

Such myopic, Little Britain thinking on here... all the bloody time.

It is disgusting, especially coming from people with children

[Marsh.]

It's always other peoples faults ,it's not , it's down to us all, from big companies to the small individual, no good shouting the odds, that wont save anyone.

Ye... oh, wait...

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

[Alf]

Such myopic, Little Britain thinking on here... all the bloody time.What's wrong with Britain?

[Kazanne]

https://i.imgur.com/h4KE0jT.jpg


For Alf :laugh:

[Alf]

It is disgusting, especially coming from people with childrenI'm glad you're annoyed. It makes me happy to know you're annoyed at something.

[Alf]

https://i.imgur.com/h4KE0jT.jpg


For Alf :laugh:You won't see them for dust.

[Liam-]

Ah so we’re still belittling people that care about the future of the planet enough to try and do make a change? Got it.

They need to try and do what they’re doing, without putting people off because humans are fickle, selfish creatures, we say we care about things, until it comes to trying to make things better and its deemed as too inconvenient or too ‘radical’.

Their message is great, it’s literally what the world needs right now, they need to cut back on the vandalism though.

[Twosugars]

I'm glad you're annoyed. It makes me happy to know you're annoyed at something.

Get your kicks wherever you can I guess :shrug:

Just get used to climate protests. They are here to stay. For the rest of your life :)

[Alf]

Get your kicks wherever you can I guess :shrug:Of course, why not?

What kicks do you get out of me, any?

[Kazanne]

Of course, why not?

What kicks do you get out of me, any?

Alf,I love how nothing fazes you and you let it all go over your head, your a great member with a sense of humour.

[Alf]

Alf,I love how nothing fazes you and you let it all go over your head, your a great member with a sense of humour.I'll send that £50 in the post, first thing in the morning.

Thanks Kaz, you're not too bad yourself.

[Twosugars]

Of course, why not?

What kicks do you get out of me, any?

I feel sorry for you

[joeysteele]

Ah so we’re still belittling people that care about the future of the planet enough to try and do make a change? Got it.

They need to try and do what they’re doing, without putting people off because humans are fickle, selfish creatures, we say we care about things, until it comes to trying to make things better and its deemed as too inconvenient or too ‘radical’.

Their message is great, it’s literally what the world needs right now, they need to cut back on the vandalism though.

I agree with all that you've said.

They do need to just ease off as to some things they engage in.
It shouldn't cloud the strong message they are trying to highlight.

Also our media will only pounce on anything negative they do too.
Then the lip service public join in showing only contempt for those trying to highlight the serious issues.
Avoiding said serious issues.

[Alf]

I feel sorry for youYou shouldn't bother, I'm loving life. What's not to love, we get independence from the EU Empire in a few weeks.

[jet]

I feel sorry for you

Yeah, cos making people laugh on a forum instead of the boring oft - quoted 'pearl clutching' is such a tragic thing. Poor Alf. :worry:

[SherzyK]

Alf,I love how nothing fazes you and you let it all go over your head, your a great member with a sense of humour.

We love ego inflation

[Marsh.]

Alf,I love how nothing fazes you and you let it all go over your head, your a great member with a sense of humour.

Yeah, cos making people laugh on a forum instead of the boring oft - quoted 'pearl clutching' is such a tragic thing. Poor Alf. :worry:

I thought the thread was about Extinction Rebellion - not Alf's Colon Cleanse.

[Kizzy]

Well we've heard from the NIMBYs now let's hear from the academics...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.html

[Twosugars]

Well we've heard from the NIMBYs now let's hear from the academics...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.html

:thumbs: :laugh:

[Cherie]

I don't think anyone, anywhere is opposed to peaceful protest, 1300 arrests and counting, 7 stabbings in London over the weekend, and I wonder how many other crimes have been committed while the police are overstretched in this way.

[Ammi]

Well we've heard from the NIMBYs now let's hear from the academics...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/extinction-rebellion-protests-scientists-climate-change-london-amsterdam-a9154336.html

...I guess that I was wrong that the voice would be lost atm with all things Brexit...what is wonderful to see daily, is how much children are engaged with their planet and the impacts of climate change...

[AnnieK]

...I guess that I was wrong that the voice would be lost atm with all things Brexit...what is wonderful to see daily, is how much children are engaged with their planet and the impacts of climate change...

Agreed, its their future and their children's future so needs addressing, quickly. My sons school have a whole school topic on how little things can help. Matthew keeps walking round the house behind me, switching off lights and telling me what we should recycle. :laugh: He's obsessed.

[Ammi]

Agreed, its their future and their children's future so needs addressing, quickly. My sons school have a whole school topic on how little things can help. Matthew keeps walking round the house behind me, switching off lights and telling me what we should recycle. :laugh: He's obsessed.

...Matthew..:lovedup:...yeah for so long, many of us have been doing so much, in schools and homes etc...it’s time for the politicians to prioritise in the same way...

[joeysteele]

...Matthew..:lovedup:...yeah for so long, many of us have been doing so much, in schools and homes etc...it’s time for the politicians to prioritise in the same way...

It is time politicians prioritised this issue.

I agree and AnnieK's post is really heartening to read too.

It is the present children and their children's future and world we are allowing to be destroyed.

Complacency has no place in this issue.
As you indicate, it's children leading the way more at times on the dangers.

Politicians have failed badly and still are, they do need to now make this a priority.
I won't hold my breath on that however.

[Kazanne]

We love ego inflation

Nothing wrong with 'ego inflation' when it's deserved,at least Alf brings a few laughs to the site ,which is sadly lacking at the moment.

[Kazanne]

I don't think anyone, anywhere is opposed to peaceful protest, 1300 arrests and counting, 7 stabbings in London over the weekend, and I wonder how many other crimes have been committed while the police are overstretched in this way.

Quite right Cherie,just people trying to make out we don't care via their technology :hee:

[Nicky91]

Nothing wrong with 'ego inflation' when it's deserved,at least Alf brings a few laughs to the site ,which is sadly lacking at the moment.

there's no need for laughs right now in the time of chaos and a irrelevant brexit

:bored:

[Kazanne]

there's no need for laughs right now in the time of chaos and a irrelevant brexit

:bored:

Oh stop it, so you are saying we are not allowed to laugh until we sort Brexit and climate change, on the contrary,if you don't laugh you'de cry,the bloody state we are all in,we need to be positive and not so negative.Jeez

[SherzyK]

Nothing wrong with 'ego inflation' when it's deserved,at least Alf brings a few laughs to the site ,which is sadly lacking at the moment.

Sure jan :laugh:

[Kizzy]

I don't think anyone, anywhere is opposed to peaceful protest, 1300 arrests and counting, 7 stabbings in London over the weekend, and I wonder how many other crimes have been committed while the police are overstretched in this way.

Obviously you are opposed.. have you watched the arrests being made? Vicars, men and women in their 80s, the disabled, doctors... you can't blame the protestors for criminal activity that would happen regardless :/

[Kizzy]

Quite right Cherie,just people trying to make out we don't care via their technology :hee:

Via technology? So if you agree with the protestors you shouldn't be using technology, should they be living in a mud hut dressed in banana leaves?

[Marsh.]

Quite right Cherie,just people trying to make out we don't care via their technology :hee:

No, they're pointing out you're missing the point. Which every post you make continues to prove. :hee:

[Kizzy]

I'm glad you're annoyed. It makes me happy to know you're annoyed at something.

You do know that is the aim of a troll. ..

[Alf]

You do know that is the aim of a troll. ..No, I didn't, but I do now. Thanks for informing me, very kind of you.

[joeysteele]

there's no need for laughs right now in the time of chaos and a irrelevant brexit

:bored:

Very serious issues and probable chaos.
Really worrying times.
I agree with you.

Plus this is 'serious' debates section after all.

[Livia]

Tbf.....I am 43 and remember a lot of that from my childhood (not all but a lot). Most households only had 1 car (if they were lucky), I never holidayed abroad till I was 18, but what posts like that don't say is a lot of homes still had coal fires pumping out into the air etc

I'm 39 and I remember... twosugars is hurtling towards 40, so he should remember at least some of those things.

[Kazanne]

I'm 39 and I remember... twosugars is hurtling towards 40, so he should remember at least some of those things.

OMG Livia ,so pleased to see you back :wavey: I remember coal fires too, a lot of people have got rid of them,but the alternative also is not good for the environment,so what do these people want us to do ?

[Cherie]

Obviously you are opposed.. have you watched the arrests being made? Vicars, men and women in their 80s, the disabled, doctors... you can't blame the protestors for criminal activity that would happen regardless :/

Please don’t try to tell me what I think kizzy, you are very wide of the mark

[Kazanne]

Via technology? So if you agree with the protestors you shouldn't be using technology, should they be living in a mud hut dressed in banana leaves?

None of us should, nor be driving etc,etc,it's almost impossible to achieve. and maybe if we lived in a mud hut dressed in banana leaves we can survive,but we'de have to light fires to keep warm and cook which uses wood and the smoke is not good for the environment so what is the answer ?

[Kazanne]

Via technology? So if you agree with the protestors you shouldn't be using technology, should they be living in a mud hut dressed in banana leaves?

and neither should you,and yet here we all are :hee:

[Cherie]

now you have passed your driving test kizzy will you be buying electric :pipe:

[Nicky91]

Very serious issues and probable chaos.
Really worrying times.
I agree with you.

Plus this is 'serious' debates section after all.

it is the serious debates section yep, but i guess any celebrity news is a good change between the heated debates and some lighter entertainment news :)

[Nick.]

Dismantle capitalism & eat the rich obvs

[Oliver_W]

Wtf happened to my thread :( I wanted this to be about things that environmental groups could be doing that're actually constructive, I didn't want it to be about such groups in general, or a "bitch about this member" thread :(

[Oliver_W]

Thread derailment: https://media.giphy.com/media/iwyCu3f5xXCiQ/giphy.gif

[Cherie]

Never mind derailed, we drove it over the cliff :laugh:

and there was no vegetation for a soft landing :bawling: natural habitats being depleted

[Kizzy]

Please don’t try to tell me what I think kizzy, you are very wide of the mark

Well unless you're contradicting yourself that's what you suggested, that the protestors were diverting resources and that's why they've lost your support ergo you are now opposed to the protest.

What exactly are you saying then? :/

[Kizzy]

None of us should, nor be driving etc,etc,it's almost impossible to achieve. and maybe if we lived in a mud hut dressed in banana leaves we can survive,but we'de have to light fires to keep warm and cook which uses wood and the smoke is not good for the environment so what is the answer ?

Ive attempted to explain this many times... it's bigger than a societal issue now. Yes energy efficiency will help but the problem will remain unless there is governmental shifts to support green initiatives globally.

[Livia]

The protesters are assuming that everyone else doesn't care about the planet and we need these people to bat home the message. We don't. If you don't know what the government is doing, or what your local council is doing on green issues, find out. I don't know anyone who isn't committed to helping the fight. So we don't need these people making arses of themselves with fire engines to highlight the issue for us.

The best way to help the planet recover would be to reduce the population. Of course, we wouldn't get far into the discussion before Nazis were mentioned, but that's not what I'm talking about.

[Kizzy]

now you have passed your driving test kizzy will you be buying electric :pipe:

So it's up to me to save the world cherie because I advocate for it? That's fuzzy logic.
If I could afford one I might, atm I have a 1.0 Nissan Micra. Do you need a breakdown of all my energy efficiency cherie, or will that do?

[Kizzy]

and neither should you,and yet here we all are :hee:

Explain to me why I shouldn't again..

[smudgie]

If we all do our bit and then a little bit more, it would help in a small way.
If everybody took their shopping out of trays etc at the checkout, causing hold ups etc then maybe the supermarkets would rethink their packaging a bit more swiftly.
So many little things we can do really.

[Livia]

If we all do our bit and then a little bit more, it would help in a small way.
If everybody took their shopping out of trays etc at the checkout, causing hold ups etc then maybe the supermarkets would rethink their packaging a bit more swiftly.
So many little things we can do really.

That's true, Smudgie. I take containers shopping, also, Morrisons now provide paper bags for fruit and veg instead of plastic ones. I think most of us already do stuff, and I would and do support shops and businesses committed to reducing plastic.

Also... I try to buy fruit and veg in season instead of buying stuff that's had to be flown round the world.

[Kizzy]

Paper bags have to be manufactured, distributed and they have a very limited use before having to be recycled and replaced.. at 20 each! I don't think that's very efficient :/
Jute bags are much better.

[user104658]

Increasing trade with our closest geographical neighbours and reducing it with countries that need to transport goods over long distances would be a massive positive.

Wups.

[Cherie]

Well unless you're contradicting yourself that's what you suggested, that the protestors were diverting resources and that's why they've lost your support ergo you are now opposed to the protest.

What exactly are you saying then? :/

no contradictions kizzy, if only you read my posts properly

so the protesters blocked Bank junction today, a section that is mainly used for buses and bikes only, buses were held up for 4 hours … if some of these people had brains they would be very dangerous indeed :hehe:

[Cherie]

So it's up to me to save the world cherie because I advocate for it? That's fuzzy logic.
If I could afford one I might, atm I have a 1.0 Nissan Micra. Do you need a breakdown of all my energy efficiency cherie, or will that do?

why not you? , are you expecting someone else to do it, for someone who managed on public transport into your 40s and someone who professes to be very worried about the planet, that really is a contradiction

[Kazanne]

If we all do our bit and then a little bit more, it would help in a small way.
If everybody took their shopping out of trays etc at the checkout, causing hold ups etc then maybe the supermarkets would rethink their packaging a bit more swiftly.
So many little things we can do really.

Agree 100% with this smudgie.:wavey:

[Livia]

Increasing trade with our closest geographical neighbours and reducing it with countries that need to transport goods over long distances would be a massive positive.

Wups.

Maybe people could try the vast array of fruit and veg we grow right here? And always much nicer in season.

[Twosugars]

Increasing trade with our closest geographical neighbours and reducing it with countries that need to transport goods over long distances would be a massive positive.

Wups.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

TS :thumbs:

[Kizzy]

no contradictions kizzy, if only you read my posts properly

so the protesters blocked Bank junction today, a section that is mainly used for buses and bikes only, buses were held up for 4 hours … if some of these people had brains they would be very dangerous indeed :hehe:

So do you support them or not? One minute you do and then you don't, for reasons ranging from diverted police to blocking a cycle lane :/

[Kizzy]

Increasing trade with our closest geographical neighbours and reducing it with countries that need to transport goods over long distances would be a massive positive.

Wups.

:joker::joker::joker:

[Cherie]

They should be running adverts on TV and in cinema educating the public on how to reduce their impact with simple doable everyday measures, not advocating people to STOP FLYING (while flying in yourself from the other side of the world :laugh:) causing nuisance and traffic jams and inexplicably targetting public transport

For kizzy ....this is my take, I support the cause, not the way they are going about it, I couldn’t put it in much simpler terms so let’s see if you get my stance second time round

[Kizzy]

why not you? , are you expecting someone else to do it, for someone who managed on public transport into your 40s and someone who professes to be very worried about the planet, that really is a contradiction

You appear to be tasking me with some culpability because a bought a small car at 47.. is that right?
I can't be worried about the planet because I own a micra?
If you had any idea how ridiculous you are coming across to me right now :laugh:

My son and I work at the same place so instead of 3 bus journeys a day each now we go in a car together, does that entitle me to be worried about the planet still, or have I to hold myself to account as as big a polluter as BP? :worried:

[Cherie]

You appear to be tasking me with some culpability because a bought a small car at 47.. is that right?
I can't be worried about the planet because I own a micra?
If you had any idea how ridiculous you are coming across to me right now :laugh:

My son and I work at the same place so instead of 3 bus journeys a day each now we go in a car together, does that entitle me to be worried about the planet still, or have I to hold myself to account as as big a polluter as BP? :worried:

Yes kizzy you are as culpable as the next person, the bus will be going on that route whether you and your son are on it or not, unless you are saying you were the only 2 on the bus...and now in addition you are puffing along the route adding to the pollution....and you are increasing BP profits ....

[Kizzy]

For kizzy ....this is my take, I support the cause, not the way they are going about it, I couldn’t put it in much simpler terms so let’s see if you get my stance second time round

Who are funding these advertisements? ... There have been countless campaigns and public information and awareness raising over the years, you would have to have been living under a rock not to have seen any.

Again you are inferring that because Greta Tunberg flew back from America it negated her argument for governments to take climate change more seriously. ..it doesn't cherie.

Peaceful protest is nothing more than a nuisance? Well I guess that's your perspective and you're welcome to it. I see it as a necessary distraction.

[user104658]

Maybe people could try the vast array of fruit and veg we grow right here? And always much nicer in season.

We could/should but it's fairly well understood that post-Brexit, trade with the US will increase (to be fair, it's been increasing year-on-year for decades anyway) and trade with closer countries will decrease... and all of that transatlantic trade is far from environmentally friendly. This isn't just a Brexit poke - it really is quite relevant. Increased trade with Commonwealth nations has also been suggested as a positive for the UK after Brexit... but again, environmentally not great at all, given the distances to many of the commonwealth nations.

[Cherie]

Who are funding these advertisements? ... There have been countless campaigns and public information and awareness raising over the years, you would have to have been living under a rock not to have seen any.

Again you are inferring that because Greta Tunberg flew back from America it negated her argument for governments to take climate change more seriously. ..it doesn't cherie.

Peaceful protest is nothing more than a nuisance? Well I guess that's your perspective and you're welcome to it. I see it as a necessary distraction.

Don’t they have many celeb backers, maybe Emma Thompson could fund an advert campaign rather than flying first class to support them...1400 arrests ..how is that peaceful! Okay no one is hurling bottles but you can’t call it peaceful by any stretch of the imagination, I’ve already said I support peaceful protest do I need to trawl back though the thread again to find it for you kizzy

[Kizzy]

Yes kizzy you are as culpable as the next person, the bus will be going on that route whether you and your son are on it or not, unless you are saying you were the only 2 on the bus...and now in addition you are puffing along the route adding to the pollution....and you are increasing BP profits ....

Then I will have to accept that and offset it with the years I spent without a car to justify any increase in our carbon footprints.
Does that now entitle me to question why there was no mention of the climate or any government pledges in relation to climate change in the Queens Speech today?

[Mitchell]

Does that now entitle me to question why there was no mention of the climate or any government pledges in relation to climate change in the Queens Speech today?

It’s all Diane Abbott’s fault

[Kazanne]

Good program on climate change on BB1 Panorama ,about the things we can do to help, most of it caused by the home,food and travel

[Kizzy]

[/B]

Don’t they have many celeb backers, maybe Emma Thompson could fund an advert campaign rather than flying first class to support them...1400 arrests ..how is that peaceful! Okay no one is hurling bottles but you can’t call it peaceful by any stretch of the imagination, I’ve already said I support peaceful protest do I need to trawl back though the thread again to find it for you kizzy

So now it's Emma Thompson that's the target of your ire? Oof cherie you're really cross with lots of people today.
Could you explain how funding an advert would make the government take more notice of climate change.. after all that is the aim of the rebellion protests isn't it?

In the main it's a sit down protest, so people are being arrested for obstruction. If you support peaceful protest can you explain how it can be done in large numbers in the cspital without causing an obstruction?

[Livia]

We could/should but it's fairly well understood that post-Brexit, trade with the US will increase (to be fair, it's been increasing year-on-year for decades anyway) and trade with closer countries will decrease... and all of that transatlantic trade is far from environmentally friendly. This isn't just a Brexit poke - it really is quite relevant. Increased trade with Commonwealth nations has also been suggested as a positive for the UK after Brexit... but again, environmentally not great at all, given the distances to many of the commonwealth nations.
Yes, I do understand that. My point is that people can buy all kinds of fruit and veg which is seasonal in this country, at any time of the year, by flying or shipping it in from other countries. Why? Who wants sour strawberries in November? Someone does... or there'd be no supply. It seems greedy and stupid.

[Redway]

Yes, I do understand that. My point is that people can buy all kinds of fruit and veg which is seasonal in this country, at any time of the year, by flying or shipping it in from other countries. Why? Who wants sour strawberries in November? Someone does... or there'd be no supply. It seems greedy and stupid.

Nice to have you back L.

[joeysteele]

Increasing trade with our closest geographical neighbours and reducing it with countries that need to transport goods over long distances would be a massive positive.

Wups.

Makes more sense than anything else for sure.

[Livia]

Nice to have you back L.

Thanks, Red x

[Kizzy]

Watch me throw a big spanner in here... what about the things we can't grow here? Bananas, oranges, pineapple, and other produce.
It's going to get a bit boring if all we have is a few cox's pippin and conference pears.

[user104658]

Watch me throw a big spanner in here... what about the things we can't grow here? Bananas, oranges, pineapple, and other produce.
It's going to get a bit boring if all we have is a few cox's pippin and conference pears.

Oranges aren't as big an issue as they can be grown relatively close to the UK but tbh things like bananas and pineapples would (environmentally speaking) be better to be a bit "rarer".

Although the meat industry does more damage than any amount of fruit/veg/grain importing...

[Cherie]

Then I will have to accept that and offset it with the years I spent without a car to justify any increase in our carbon footprints.
Does that now entitle me to question why there was no mention of the climate or any government pledges in relation to climate change in the Queens Speech today?

Lol okay kizzy so you have done your bit, you can sit back and relax :laugh:

[Cherie]

So now it's Emma Thompson that's the target of your ire? Oof cherie you're really cross with lots of people today.
Could you explain how funding an advert would make the government take more notice of climate change.. after all that is the aim of the rebellion protests isn't it?

In the main it's a sit down protest, so people are being arrested for obstruction. If you support peaceful protest can you explain how it can be done in large numbers in the cspital without causing an obstruction?

You asked a question about funding, I responded, still you’re not happy but Im cross apparently, okay kizzy, you don’t really want me to respond do you? I get it now